In this game, I got 360 cs in 36 minutes. Go me. Lost anyway.
In general, having some problems climbing, largely, I think, because of the problem I've mentioned before, where if you play support, you must either play only one role ever Ranked, or 3 roles ranked. Because I love playing adc, I am trying to juggle 3 roles ranked, but I have lost almost every game of mid/top that I've ended up with. Unfortunate. I can't quite commit to only playing support in order to climb. Although maybe I could just dodge games where I get my non-adc role? That could work...?
Of course whenever Lee Sin is on the other team he's an actual smurf and shits all over your poor bronze top and botlane. And he lives in my jungle and I can't do anything as Rengar except die.
Oh no, bad lees dont just die, they die in spectacular fashion, missing easy kill secures, feeding in ways you cant imagine and kicking team mates to safety.
I think I'd rather a bronze shaco over a bronze lee.
If this Lee was actually bronze I would agree, but I looked him up on lolking and found his main account (which was simply an alternate spelling of his lowbie smurf) and he's Gold.
Being counterjungled is uniquely frustrating, I must say. No safety of a tower, no waiting for creeps to come into my xp range, nothing. Just empty camps and getting killed on sight by the Lee. Is Rengar supposed to be that vulnerable in his early clears? I felt unable to duel at all.
Sev: Your gameplay is the most heavily yomi based around. Usually you look for characters that allow you to force guessing situations for big dmg. Even if the guess is mathematically nowhere near in your favor lol. You're happiest when you have either a 50/50, 33/33/33 or even a 75/25 situation to go crazy with. And you will take big risks to force those situations to come up.
Of course whenever Lee Sin is on the other team he's an actual smurf and shits all over your poor bronze top and botlane. And he lives in my jungle and I can't do anything as Rengar except die.
Oh no, bad lees dont just die, they die in spectacular fashion, missing easy kill secures, feeding in ways you cant imagine and kicking team mates to safety.
I think I'd rather a bronze shaco over a bronze lee.
If this Lee was actually bronze I would agree, but I looked him up on lolking and found his main account (which was simply an alternate spelling of his lowbie smurf) and he's Gold.
Being counterjungled is uniquely frustrating, I must say. No safety of a tower, no waiting for creeps to come into my xp range, nothing. Just empty camps and getting killed on sight by the Lee. Is Rengar supposed to be that vulnerable in his early clears? I felt unable to duel at all.
On first clear to lee, yes. Later on, not as much.
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Of course whenever Lee Sin is on the other team he's an actual smurf and shits all over your poor bronze top and botlane. And he lives in my jungle and I can't do anything as Rengar except die.
Oh no, bad lees dont just die, they die in spectacular fashion, missing easy kill secures, feeding in ways you cant imagine and kicking team mates to safety.
I think I'd rather a bronze shaco over a bronze lee.
If this Lee was actually bronze I would agree, but I looked him up on lolking and found his main account (which was simply an alternate spelling of his lowbie smurf) and he's Gold.
Being counterjungled is uniquely frustrating, I must say. No safety of a tower, no waiting for creeps to come into my xp range, nothing. Just empty camps and getting killed on sight by the Lee. Is Rengar supposed to be that vulnerable in his early clears? I felt unable to duel at all.
On first clear to lee, yes. Later on, not as much.
Well, they invaded us at level 1, forced me to back and have to do my first camp leashless because botlane had to be in lane. Apparently he had my camp warded and he saw I had no leash, waited til I was low and killed me at my first camp. It was downhill from there because our laners didn't play safe with a Lee with FB, and this guy just constantly forced me out of my jungle and took my camps or killed me on sight. He was 16/0 by the end of the game.
FWIW the plan was to do a safe clear and skip red on first clear to avoid the invade, but we didn't expect the level 1 invade cheese.
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Sev: Your gameplay is the most heavily yomi based around. Usually you look for characters that allow you to force guessing situations for big dmg. Even if the guess is mathematically nowhere near in your favor lol. You're happiest when you have either a 50/50, 33/33/33 or even a 75/25 situation to go crazy with. And you will take big risks to force those situations to come up.
Aggressive counter jungling characters are usually super effective at lower levels because laners don't properly react or ward for them.
I mean, that' usually how Kindred wins go for me. I waltz into their jungle, kill them, take their buffs and just repeat until they're on tilt and miles behind.
I've started, as support, messing with the enemy jungler. If they're starting gromp on the right side, and it's safe.
Just something simply like tossing a morg W down... just something tiny, but something that miiiight steal something and also hurts the jungler. Worst case, it basically helps their leash a bit, but they probably won't know what to do with it.
I've gotten a few executes from junglers then going to clear their blue and not realizing that they're too low now.
I've started, as support, messing with the enemy jungler. If they're starting gromp on the right side, and it's safe.
Just something simply like tossing a morg W down... just something tiny, but something that miiiight steal something and also hurts the jungler. Worst case, it basically helps their leash a bit, but they probably won't know what to do with it.
I've gotten a few executes from junglers then going to clear their blue and not realizing that they're too low now.
Man, I really want to do this, but I'm so worried the botlane will collapse and kill me, or, more likely, that my adc will die lvl 1 while I'm not there. And I mostly play Nautilus, so I really value having that lvl 2 2v2 powerspike in lane...that said, Nautilus would be so good at harassing the jungler...I don't know if I should try.
Quinn top is one of my favoritest things in the world.
Nothing like kick flipping off that tank as he gets fed up with your harass and charges and suddenly you're like lolnope
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If someone's counter jungling you, the best thing you can do is ward all of your entrances. Ask your laners to help you out with a pink.
If they don't help you at all you're more or less sol.
The obvious warning here is that this means you're almost certain to be shit out of luck at lower skill levels. What's a ward?
I was just about to say, yeah this has never happened.
Sev: Your gameplay is the most heavily yomi based around. Usually you look for characters that allow you to force guessing situations for big dmg. Even if the guess is mathematically nowhere near in your favor lol. You're happiest when you have either a 50/50, 33/33/33 or even a 75/25 situation to go crazy with. And you will take big risks to force those situations to come up.
Fighting counter jungling isn't ONLY about warding and getting help from your lanes. It's also about mind games.
Last time I was playing seriously, if the enemy jungler was a champ I thought would have an easy time invading and hurting me early, I'd try to figure out what they'd expect me to do and start somewhere else. It's a great feeling to see the enemy jungler go where he thinks you'll be and waste his time while you are on the other side of the jungle. And if you can keep it going, you can really set them back if you trick them a couple times early.
I think my favorite part about early invades is warning my junglers that it's a champ known for cheesing the enemy at red and they should start the buff.
Counter jungling is risky and takes time. Unless you are way ahead, you can't aggressively farm the enemy jungle (since they could just find you and kill you). You are either hunting for kills or trying to steal a few camps and get out (or you're 6/0 and the game will end at 20).
Generally, if you don't get a kill counter jungling and you spend any serious amount of time doing it, you probably screwed up. Time spent waiting to ambush someone at red is time not spent clearing and time not spent pressuring a lane.
With that in mind, the best response to a jungle invade is almost always to let your opponent waste time while you farm what you can. Use wards to catch them or just to keep tabs on them, if they end up with mostly equal CS and no kills, you effectively won. If that means you give up a buff or take an unusual route, so be it.
Supports can get away with not buying pinks*. They're going to have 3-4 wards every back and this will be tonnes. They will have low income and may have problems getting to key items and also buying pinks. But none of the rest of you have any excuse. Every back, buy a pink. Keep two in your inventory if you can. Drop them like candy, they're basically the old green wards of the past.
You will increase your rank simply on doing this because the hardest thing to deal with, as a support, is when the enemy team has a flank of pink wards. Its time you have to spend clearing, or you have to give up vision control in that area
Got a chance to play Jhin a few times during this free week. I'm kind of annoyed by how fun he is, because his entire presentation is a total creepshow for me. Like, if I could get a skin that put his kit on a totally different dude, I would pay for that.
Cool cool. So if the Lee Sin is only 12/7/3 and I'm at 4/8/6 with a 13/0 Ezreal and a 15/3 Katarina on MY team, we can win the game. Progress.
Sev: Your gameplay is the most heavily yomi based around. Usually you look for characters that allow you to force guessing situations for big dmg. Even if the guess is mathematically nowhere near in your favor lol. You're happiest when you have either a 50/50, 33/33/33 or even a 75/25 situation to go crazy with. And you will take big risks to force those situations to come up.
Cool cool. So if the Lee Sin is only 12/7/3 and I'm at 4/8/6 with a 13/0 Ezreal and a 15/3 Katarina on MY team, we can win the game. Progress.
Well yes. Katarina scales SO MUCH HARDER. She's near the top in terms of snowball potential. This is magnified by her passive, which means the weaker your weakest target is, the more she blows your team up.
Well; buddy hit me up with an rp card as a late birthday gift. Okay i'll just drop that into hextech chests for the giggles of trying it out. 20 chests later I have 3 gemstones, spirit guard udyr; dunkin darius, western jhin ( forget the skin's actual name) as well as my favorite lissandra skin (blade)..... Alrighty gents I think i'll hang up the luck and never open another chest with rp ever again because there's likely a zero chance I ever actually open anything except champion shards from now on. Alas, I made udyr lissandra and jhin permanent ( already owned dunkmaster) so I suppose its time to actually try to understand the dyr. So is his 'most viable' build still devourer, or is the runic tanky build better off?
I am still in Silver hell, and i got in team Twitch adc who had 50 farm at 20 minutes, but at least i played so well with Poppy that i got S- rank despite losing, so i have that going for me, which is nice.
I got ignite because of mistake, i have no idea why i got that, when last game i had was with TP. Enemy tank top Ekko gave me first blood, but was suprisingly useful for his team in late game, no surprise here. Enemy Hecarim was a monster.
Well; buddy hit me up with an rp card as a late birthday gift. Okay i'll just drop that into hextech chests for the giggles of trying it out. 20 chests later I have 3 gemstones, spirit guard udyr; dunkin darius, western jhin ( forget the skin's actual name) as well as my favorite lissandra skin (blade)..... Alrighty gents I think i'll hang up the luck and never open another chest with rp ever again because there's likely a zero chance I ever actually open anything except champion shards from now on. Alas, I made udyr lissandra and jhin permanent ( already owned dunkmaster) so I suppose its time to actually try to understand the dyr. So is his 'most viable' build still devourer, or is the runic tanky build better off?
Udyr can build pretty much whatever he wants. The reason Runic Echoes came into favor is because of the movement speed, and if you go that route his split-pushing is basically impossible to handle.
It's dreadful that they're refusing to put support as a category, if you ask me--I understand there's a difference between the position and role, and I think most people do, too, but it's senseless to try to change the labels away from that. I would argue that Soraka and Sona (you can throw some others in there, too) don't make sense under any of the current labels. Fighters should probably be broader than they are, while "Slayers" is just awful. There doesn't seem to be much difference in Divers and Skirmishers. Vanguards need a better name.
Their hybrid labels don't even clarify anything: Kayle's not an enchanter, I'm not sure why Trundle would be considered a warden, and you can find places for both Singed and Fiddlesticks depending on what you want to emphasize.
He's good but pretty difficult to play. Whenever I've been in lane, I've lost so many last-hits trying to get the stars to hit stuff: I think I need to sort of ignore them and focus on last-hitting with autos / paying attention to my opponent.
I like jungling him.
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Got a chance to play Jhin a few times during this free week. I'm kind of annoyed by how fun he is, because his entire presentation is a total creepshow for me. Like, if I could get a skin that put his kit on a totally different dude, I would pay for that.
Aw. Jhin is my anti-tilt champion. We make beautiful murder art together! But yeah, I totally get how he's creepy (and normally I do not like creepy champions, but this guy is a character archetype I like), and how disliking a champion's voice especially can make me not want to play a champion at all.
I am still in Silver hell, and i got in team Twitch adc who had 50 farm at 20 minutes, but at least i played so well with Poppy that i got S- rank despite losing, so i have that going for me, which is nice.
Yeah, me too. It's frustrating that the lower one gets in silver, the more likely it is to get teammates that do not deliver what I consider the bare minimum (eg, csing). I haven't really figured out how to work around that, other than playing the long game and knowing that I will never be that person so if I keep playing eventually it'll even out.
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I don't like the labels either- a good label is informative, but they're making them less meaningful in favor of trying to make them sound cool. Don't tell me "Vanguards are offensive tanks and Wardens are definitely defensive," just call them offensive & defensive tanks, or at the very least engage/peel.
@gam3p0t I'd go with Runic, RWE+(one point in Q about level 9-11 for turrets). I've been fairly mindlessly running Runic, Boots of Swiftness, Zz'rot and Sheen and it's worked well. The only losses I've had with him have been teammates feeding really hard. Besides the movement, the AP on Runic helps your shields and the mana regen from proc'ing it on large monsters is going to let you stay in the field longer.
Mage update makes me somewhat unhappy (since I tend not to play them and as such don't want their relative influence in a game to be increased--although if I do play mid, it's always mages instead of assassins, so, eh)
Elemental dragons seems an interesting mechanic. Though it'd be nice if you could see maybe the first two or three in champion select. Not that it impacts me but I can imagine it'd be nice to know what sort of buffs you can pick up early when you're picking your comp if you're at a high level of play.
Also Anivia getting a bigger glacial storm. I'm so down for that.
Sev: Your gameplay is the most heavily yomi based around. Usually you look for characters that allow you to force guessing situations for big dmg. Even if the guess is mathematically nowhere near in your favor lol. You're happiest when you have either a 50/50, 33/33/33 or even a 75/25 situation to go crazy with. And you will take big risks to force those situations to come up.
With the change to Syndra's passive, I wonder if they're upping the cap on her ult. If they don't it's kind of whatever, it's still easier to hit max spheres. If they do, it's like they never removed DFG from the game.
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In general, having some problems climbing, largely, I think, because of the problem I've mentioned before, where if you play support, you must either play only one role ever Ranked, or 3 roles ranked. Because I love playing adc, I am trying to juggle 3 roles ranked, but I have lost almost every game of mid/top that I've ended up with. Unfortunate. I can't quite commit to only playing support in order to climb. Although maybe I could just dodge games where I get my non-adc role? That could work...?
If this Lee was actually bronze I would agree, but I looked him up on lolking and found his main account (which was simply an alternate spelling of his lowbie smurf) and he's Gold.
Being counterjungled is uniquely frustrating, I must say. No safety of a tower, no waiting for creeps to come into my xp range, nothing. Just empty camps and getting killed on sight by the Lee. Is Rengar supposed to be that vulnerable in his early clears? I felt unable to duel at all.
On first clear to lee, yes. Later on, not as much.
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Well, they invaded us at level 1, forced me to back and have to do my first camp leashless because botlane had to be in lane. Apparently he had my camp warded and he saw I had no leash, waited til I was low and killed me at my first camp. It was downhill from there because our laners didn't play safe with a Lee with FB, and this guy just constantly forced me out of my jungle and took my camps or killed me on sight. He was 16/0 by the end of the game.
FWIW the plan was to do a safe clear and skip red on first clear to avoid the invade, but we didn't expect the level 1 invade cheese.
I mean, that' usually how Kindred wins go for me. I waltz into their jungle, kill them, take their buffs and just repeat until they're on tilt and miles behind.
Just something simply like tossing a morg W down... just something tiny, but something that miiiight steal something and also hurts the jungler. Worst case, it basically helps their leash a bit, but they probably won't know what to do with it.
I've gotten a few executes from junglers then going to clear their blue and not realizing that they're too low now.
Man, I really want to do this, but I'm so worried the botlane will collapse and kill me, or, more likely, that my adc will die lvl 1 while I'm not there. And I mostly play Nautilus, so I really value having that lvl 2 2v2 powerspike in lane...that said, Nautilus would be so good at harassing the jungler...I don't know if I should try.
Nothing like kick flipping off that tank as he gets fed up with your harass and charges and suddenly you're like lolnope
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If they don't help you at all you're more or less sol.
The obvious warning here is that this means you're almost certain to be shit out of luck at lower skill levels. What's a ward?
I was just about to say, yeah this has never happened.
Last time I was playing seriously, if the enemy jungler was a champ I thought would have an easy time invading and hurting me early, I'd try to figure out what they'd expect me to do and start somewhere else. It's a great feeling to see the enemy jungler go where he thinks you'll be and waste his time while you are on the other side of the jungle. And if you can keep it going, you can really set them back if you trick them a couple times early.
And they end up dying to the red buff cheese.
Generally, if you don't get a kill counter jungling and you spend any serious amount of time doing it, you probably screwed up. Time spent waiting to ambush someone at red is time not spent clearing and time not spent pressuring a lane.
With that in mind, the best response to a jungle invade is almost always to let your opponent waste time while you farm what you can. Use wards to catch them or just to keep tabs on them, if they end up with mostly equal CS and no kills, you effectively won. If that means you give up a buff or take an unusual route, so be it.
Supports can get away with not buying pinks*. They're going to have 3-4 wards every back and this will be tonnes. They will have low income and may have problems getting to key items and also buying pinks. But none of the rest of you have any excuse. Every back, buy a pink. Keep two in your inventory if you can. Drop them like candy, they're basically the old green wards of the past.
You will increase your rank simply on doing this because the hardest thing to deal with, as a support, is when the enemy team has a flank of pink wards. Its time you have to spend clearing, or you have to give up vision control in that area
*get away being operative here
I cannot wait for this. nuTaric looks so fucking good you guys. I dont think I've been excited for a support since Braum.
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Well yes. Katarina scales SO MUCH HARDER. She's near the top in terms of snowball potential. This is magnified by her passive, which means the weaker your weakest target is, the more she blows your team up.
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It still might be worth it to grab chests on cooldown if they ever have key events or something.
Also took longer than usual but we back baby! Final series was 3 complete stomps. Eyyyy.
I got ignite because of mistake, i have no idea why i got that, when last game i had was with TP. Enemy tank top Ekko gave me first blood, but was suprisingly useful for his team in late game, no surprise here. Enemy Hecarim was a monster.
is anyone else finding him to be strong as heck?
Udyr can build pretty much whatever he wants. The reason Runic Echoes came into favor is because of the movement speed, and if you go that route his split-pushing is basically impossible to handle.
It's dreadful that they're refusing to put support as a category, if you ask me--I understand there's a difference between the position and role, and I think most people do, too, but it's senseless to try to change the labels away from that. I would argue that Soraka and Sona (you can throw some others in there, too) don't make sense under any of the current labels. Fighters should probably be broader than they are, while "Slayers" is just awful. There doesn't seem to be much difference in Divers and Skirmishers. Vanguards need a better name.
Their hybrid labels don't even clarify anything: Kayle's not an enchanter, I'm not sure why Trundle would be considered a warden, and you can find places for both Singed and Fiddlesticks depending on what you want to emphasize.
He's good but pretty difficult to play. Whenever I've been in lane, I've lost so many last-hits trying to get the stars to hit stuff: I think I need to sort of ignore them and focus on last-hitting with autos / paying attention to my opponent.
I like jungling him.
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In lane harassing your opponent with aa's and q's and w's is really effective. it's easier to farm when they're dead.
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Aw. Jhin is my anti-tilt champion. We make beautiful murder art together! But yeah, I totally get how he's creepy (and normally I do not like creepy champions, but this guy is a character archetype I like), and how disliking a champion's voice especially can make me not want to play a champion at all.
Yeah, me too. It's frustrating that the lower one gets in silver, the more likely it is to get teammates that do not deliver what I consider the bare minimum (eg, csing). I haven't really figured out how to work around that, other than playing the long game and knowing that I will never be that person so if I keep playing eventually it'll even out.
@gam3p0t I'd go with Runic, RWE+(one point in Q about level 9-11 for turrets). I've been fairly mindlessly running Runic, Boots of Swiftness, Zz'rot and Sheen and it's worked well. The only losses I've had with him have been teammates feeding really hard. Besides the movement, the AP on Runic helps your shields and the mana regen from proc'ing it on large monsters is going to let you stay in the field longer.
Elemental Dragon update looks super cool and fun.
Also Anivia getting a bigger glacial storm. I'm so down for that.