The thirty year war still happens but is probably smaller
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I'm just saying, God's curse game is slipping in their old age.
This is late, but I wanna say one of the favorite things I learned this year is that the whole plagues bit might be an alteration to a story where, instead of pharaoh's magicians trying to best God's plagues, God is actually going one on one with the egyptian pantheon, which is why Darkness is so late in the plagues even though it seems a bit better than fucking hailfire. It's cause the Sun god is kind of a big deal in Egyptian myth and taking him out would be a major point in God's favor!
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
I just Googled "alternate history no protestant reformation". First thing I saw was "Capitalism required the Protestant Work Ethic to spread", so I guess Capitalism is all Martin Luther's fault.
Conservatism, and by association the form of capitalism we know today, is the fault of some nobles in the time of the French Revolution who were hellbent on maintaining their noble status in function if not name and so propagated the philosophies that those with money are the best suited to have money and power, that a product's value was determined based on what the buyer was willing to pay and not the value of the labor put into it (meaning the moneyed class determined what was valuable), that those who are worthy to have money and power will naturally rise to the position they "deserve", etc.
I just Googled "alternate history no protestant reformation". First thing I saw was "Capitalism required the Protestant Work Ethic to spread", so I guess Capitalism is all Martin Luther's fault.
Conservatism, and by association the form of capitalism we know today, is the fault of some nobles in the time of the French Revolution who were hellbent on maintaining their noble status in function if not name and so propagated the philosophies that those with money are the best suited to have money and power, that a product's value was determined based on what the buyer was willing to pay and not the value of the labor put into it (meaning the moneyed class determined what was valuable), that those who are worthy to have money and power will naturally rise to the position they "deserve", etc.
Well this is certainly a take
A trap is for fish: when you've got the fish, you can forget the trap. A snare is for rabbits: when you've got the rabbit, you can forget the snare. Words are for meaning: when you've got the meaning, you can forget the words.
I just Googled "alternate history no protestant reformation". First thing I saw was "Capitalism required the Protestant Work Ethic to spread", so I guess Capitalism is all Martin Luther's fault.
Conservatism, and by association the form of capitalism we know today, is the fault of some nobles in the time of the French Revolution who were hellbent on maintaining their noble status in function if not name and so propagated the philosophies that those with money are the best suited to have money and power, that a product's value was determined based on what the buyer was willing to pay and not the value of the labor put into it (meaning the moneyed class determined what was valuable), that those who are worthy to have money and power will naturally rise to the position they "deserve", etc.
Capitalism in its current form was warped when conservatism melded itself to capitalism, as a system to enforce its social hierarchies past the era of nobility, and has been what has accentuated the worst of capitalism's evils ever since.
No offense but every single idea you just expressed is somewhere between batshit insane and goofy fantasy.
It's just such complete nonsense I don't even know where to start correcting you.
This is like timecube or stonemason conspiracy theory stuff
A trap is for fish: when you've got the fish, you can forget the trap. A snare is for rabbits: when you've got the rabbit, you can forget the snare. Words are for meaning: when you've got the meaning, you can forget the words.
eh I mean, 'capitalism' has overtaken 'conservatism' at many times in the history of various countries, in the sense that it upset the social apple cart and (rising merchant/banking classes in the renaissance, etc)
it's just that those wealthy people (e.g. voltaire) become or join the elites, and of course capitalism hugely favors those who possess said capital already
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it was the smallest on the list but
Pluto was a planet and I'll never forget
It turns out there's always a fierce battle royale of time travelers around baby Hitlers, we just don't notice them because we only perceive the final state of the timeline
I'm just saying, God's curse game is slipping in their old age.
This is late, but I wanna say one of the favorite things I learned this year is that the whole plagues bit might be an alteration to a story where, instead of pharaoh's magicians trying to best God's plagues, God is actually going one on one with the egyptian pantheon, which is why Darkness is so late in the plagues even though it seems a bit better than fucking hailfire. It's cause the Sun god is kind of a big deal in Egyptian myth and taking him out would be a major point in God's favor!
One thing I always thought kind of interesting was the idea that, in the Bible, maybe other gods actually did exist. Like, ok the Hebrews were wandering in the desert after fleeing Egypt, witnessing divine plagues, seeing a man part a fucking sea so they could walk through it and then followed a giant pillar of fucking fire by night and a giant pillar of fucking clouds by day. After seeing all of this insane, obviously supernatural shit they got bored for a little while and decided to worship a golden calf.
You're either dumb as hell or you got some evidence to back up the idea the golden calf God (Baal?) Can throw down some spooky shit, too.
Maybe God was the new anime protagonist on the scene who's insanely powerful and decided he was gonna eat the other God's lunch.
I'm just saying, God's curse game is slipping in their old age.
This is late, but I wanna say one of the favorite things I learned this year is that the whole plagues bit might be an alteration to a story where, instead of pharaoh's magicians trying to best God's plagues, God is actually going one on one with the egyptian pantheon, which is why Darkness is so late in the plagues even though it seems a bit better than fucking hailfire. It's cause the Sun god is kind of a big deal in Egyptian myth and taking him out would be a major point in God's favor!
One thing I always thought kind of interesting was the idea that, in the Bible, mayne other gods actually did exist. Like, ok the Hebrews were wandering in the desert after fleeing Egypt, witnessing divine plagues, seeing a man part a fucking sea so they could walk through it and then followed a giant pillar of fucking fire by night and a giant pillar of fucking clouds by day. After seeing all of this insane, obviously supernatural shit they got bored for a little while and decided to worship a golden calf.
You're either dumb as hell or you got some evidence to back up the idea the golden calf God (Baal?) Can throw down some spooky shit, too.
Maybe God was the new anime protagonist on the scene who's insanely powerful and decided he was gonna eat the other God's lunch.
baal wasn't actually a singular deity the hebrew people just made up
EDIT: also there is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_(deity)#Hebrew_Bible who is a possible number of Semitic culture group deities worshiped before abraham formed the covenant and is also oftentimes referred to ambiguously
elohim and el shaddai are both hebrew names for god that derive from el
Basically an Israeli archeologist is using names from the Bible in an attempt to date when the books were written. If you have a name that matches the naming conventions of the time and region when the book is set you know more or less the author either lived near that place and time or had direct sources. If the names don't match up you can be more sure the author made them up using what they were familiar with.
It also talks a little about the naming conventions and how those kind of highlight the initial polytheism of the early Israelites.
Many theophoric names from the First Temple period such as Josiah, Isaiah or Hezekiah are considered Yahwistic, because the suffix IAH (or YAH) references the name of YHWH, the principal deity of the ancient Israelites and sole god worshipped by today’s Jews.
But back in that time, as archaeology has already shown, the Israelites were not yet strictly monotheistic, and still believed in the existence of other deities. This is reflected in theophoric names that appear in inscriptions from the period, which often include references to Canaanite divinities such as Baal or El.
In fact, some scholars point out that the very name “Israel” suggests these people, at least initially, were worshippers of El, the chief god of the Canaanite pantheon, rather than of YHWH.
I'm just saying, God's curse game is slipping in their old age.
This is late, but I wanna say one of the favorite things I learned this year is that the whole plagues bit might be an alteration to a story where, instead of pharaoh's magicians trying to best God's plagues, God is actually going one on one with the egyptian pantheon, which is why Darkness is so late in the plagues even though it seems a bit better than fucking hailfire. It's cause the Sun god is kind of a big deal in Egyptian myth and taking him out would be a major point in God's favor!
One thing I always thought kind of interesting was the idea that, in the Bible, mayne other gods actually did exist. Like, ok the Hebrews were wandering in the desert after fleeing Egypt, witnessing divine plagues, seeing a man part a fucking sea so they could walk through it and then followed a giant pillar of fucking fire by night and a giant pillar of fucking clouds by day. After seeing all of this insane, obviously supernatural shit they got bored for a little while and decided to worship a golden calf.
You're either dumb as hell or you got some evidence to back up the idea the golden calf God (Baal?) Can throw down some spooky shit, too.
Maybe God was the new anime protagonist on the scene who's insanely powerful and decided he was gonna eat the other God's lunch.
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This has almost certainly already been done, but I would love to read a retelling of the bible where all the prophets were actually agents of a crippled starship in orbit trying to kickstart a technological civilization.
This has almost certainly already been done, but I would love to read a retelling of the bible where all the prophets were actually agents of a crippled starship in orbit trying to kickstart a technological civilization.
I'm just saying, God's curse game is slipping in their old age.
This is late, but I wanna say one of the favorite things I learned this year is that the whole plagues bit might be an alteration to a story where, instead of pharaoh's magicians trying to best God's plagues, God is actually going one on one with the egyptian pantheon, which is why Darkness is so late in the plagues even though it seems a bit better than fucking hailfire. It's cause the Sun god is kind of a big deal in Egyptian myth and taking him out would be a major point in God's favor!
One thing I always thought kind of interesting was the idea that, in the Bible, mayne other gods actually did exist. Like, ok the Hebrews were wandering in the desert after fleeing Egypt, witnessing divine plagues, seeing a man part a fucking sea so they could walk through it and then followed a giant pillar of fucking fire by night and a giant pillar of fucking clouds by day. After seeing all of this insane, obviously supernatural shit they got bored for a little while and decided to worship a golden calf.
You're either dumb as hell or you got some evidence to back up the idea the golden calf God (Baal?) Can throw down some spooky shit, too.
Maybe God was the new anime protagonist on the scene who's insanely powerful and decided he was gonna eat the other God's lunch.
This has almost certainly already been done, but I would love to read a retelling of the bible where all the prophets were actually agents of a crippled starship in orbit trying to kickstart a technological civilization.
I think I played a Final Fantasy like that...
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I'm just saying, God's curse game is slipping in their old age.
This is late, but I wanna say one of the favorite things I learned this year is that the whole plagues bit might be an alteration to a story where, instead of pharaoh's magicians trying to best God's plagues, God is actually going one on one with the egyptian pantheon, which is why Darkness is so late in the plagues even though it seems a bit better than fucking hailfire. It's cause the Sun god is kind of a big deal in Egyptian myth and taking him out would be a major point in God's favor!
One thing I always thought kind of interesting was the idea that, in the Bible, maybe other gods actually did exist. Like, ok the Hebrews were wandering in the desert after fleeing Egypt, witnessing divine plagues, seeing a man part a fucking sea so they could walk through it and then followed a giant pillar of fucking fire by night and a giant pillar of fucking clouds by day. After seeing all of this insane, obviously supernatural shit they got bored for a little while and decided to worship a golden calf.
You're either dumb as hell or you got some evidence to back up the idea the golden calf God (Baal?) Can throw down some spooky shit, too.
Maybe God was the new anime protagonist on the scene who's insanely powerful and decided he was gonna eat the other God's lunch.
This is actually one of the through-lines for the middle part of Xena: Warrior Princess.
The Greek gods begin to freak out that an Abrahamic deity is going to over-power them and cause their destruction (which does happen).
No offense but every single idea you just expressed is somewhere between batshit insane and goofy fantasy.
It's just such complete nonsense I don't even know where to start correcting you.
This is like timecube or stonemason conspiracy theory stuff
"value is determined at point of purchase" is a pretty fundamental idea in conservative philosophy and economics, historically speaking. though I believe it was first stated by Edmund Burke in response to the revolution, not the french nobility. he and Hobbs before him were overtly opposed to equality and thought that a stratified society, and specifically the monarchy and the position of the aristocracy, were good things. conservatism did in fact originate with a bunch of dickhead aristocrats, basically, that part is true.
anyway you're being shitty right now, knock it off.
No offense but every single idea you just expressed is somewhere between batshit insane and goofy fantasy.
It's just such complete nonsense I don't even know where to start correcting you.
This is like timecube or stonemason conspiracy theory stuff
"value is determined at point of purchase" is a pretty fundamental idea in conservative philosophy and economics, historically speaking. though I believe it was first stated by Edmund Burke in response to the revolution, not the french nobility. he and Hobbs before him were overtly opposed to equality and thought that a stratified society, and specifically the monarchy and the position of the aristocracy, were good things. conservatism did in fact originate with a bunch of dickhead aristocrats, basically, that part is true.
anyway you're being shitty right now, knock it off.
If you want to mod me for posts that are 6 days old feel free to use the report button
But "conservatism started with some aristocrats" is not what I was responding to, which should be obvious as it was not part of the post I was quoting
A trap is for fish: when you've got the fish, you can forget the trap. A snare is for rabbits: when you've got the rabbit, you can forget the snare. Words are for meaning: when you've got the meaning, you can forget the words.
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you really need your internet dad to tell you when you're being a shithead?
I'm just saying, God's curse game is slipping in their old age.
This is late, but I wanna say one of the favorite things I learned this year is that the whole plagues bit might be an alteration to a story where, instead of pharaoh's magicians trying to best God's plagues, God is actually going one on one with the egyptian pantheon, which is why Darkness is so late in the plagues even though it seems a bit better than fucking hailfire. It's cause the Sun god is kind of a big deal in Egyptian myth and taking him out would be a major point in God's favor!
One thing I always thought kind of interesting was the idea that, in the Bible, maybe other gods actually did exist. Like, ok the Hebrews were wandering in the desert after fleeing Egypt, witnessing divine plagues, seeing a man part a fucking sea so they could walk through it and then followed a giant pillar of fucking fire by night and a giant pillar of fucking clouds by day. After seeing all of this insane, obviously supernatural shit they got bored for a little while and decided to worship a golden calf.
You're either dumb as hell or you got some evidence to back up the idea the golden calf God (Baal?) Can throw down some spooky shit, too.
Maybe God was the new anime protagonist on the scene who's insanely powerful and decided he was gonna eat the other God's lunch.
This is actually one of the through-lines for the middle part of Xena: Warrior Princess.
The Greek gods begin to freak out that an Abrahamic deity is going to over-power them and cause their destruction (which does happen).
This is also one of the big plot points of a webcomic called Thunderstruck. Long ago all the gods existed on the same plane and at some point Yahweh takes the opportunity to betray the other gods and lock them in the other side of the world (as in another plane) so he was the only god for humanity, but the effort to do so put him in a coma and he's been out of it ever since.
This has almost certainly already been done, but I would love to read a retelling of the bible where all the prophets were actually agents of a crippled starship in orbit trying to kickstart a technological civilization.
Spoilers for a certain David Weber book
Excuse me have you read Mutineer's Moon by Weber
yeah, he's a trash author, but the backstory is delicious
edit: spoilers for the book
Earth was settled by refugees from a hypertech spaceship that is Earth's moon.
All of the demigods and gods of antiquity were people with hypertech
people that survived events they shouldn't have were augmented people trying to guide events to their advantage
e.g. why Hitler survived that bomb blast--reinforced cybertech body
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Heinlein's Job: A Comedy Of Justice was a bad, smug book, but one concept from it I think about a lot is the idea that creators are expected to spin up universes and subtly take care of them, and we just ended up with a semi-competent pervert who wanted us to worship him as well.
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while naturally occurring penguin mummies are amazing and extraordinary
when I first started the tweet, i had a very brief glimpse of a world where Egyptians somehow traded with the far southern hemisphere and respectfully interred their new little feathered friends when they died.
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27 and a half year war?
This is late, but I wanna say one of the favorite things I learned this year is that the whole plagues bit might be an alteration to a story where, instead of pharaoh's magicians trying to best God's plagues, God is actually going one on one with the egyptian pantheon, which is why Darkness is so late in the plagues even though it seems a bit better than fucking hailfire. It's cause the Sun god is kind of a big deal in Egyptian myth and taking him out would be a major point in God's favor!
"Of course we tried to stop WW2! We got rid of Scholtz, but some guy called Adolf took his place!"
Specifically, Luthor was a manifest symptom of underlying tensions. All that gets you is Neo-Lollardy or Hussitia Nova or something
Conservatism, and by association the form of capitalism we know today, is the fault of some nobles in the time of the French Revolution who were hellbent on maintaining their noble status in function if not name and so propagated the philosophies that those with money are the best suited to have money and power, that a product's value was determined based on what the buyer was willing to pay and not the value of the labor put into it (meaning the moneyed class determined what was valuable), that those who are worthy to have money and power will naturally rise to the position they "deserve", etc.
Well this is certainly a take
Capitalism in its current form was warped when conservatism melded itself to capitalism, as a system to enforce its social hierarchies past the era of nobility, and has been what has accentuated the worst of capitalism's evils ever since.
It's just such complete nonsense I don't even know where to start correcting you.
This is like timecube or stonemason conspiracy theory stuff
it's just that those wealthy people (e.g. voltaire) become or join the elites, and of course capitalism hugely favors those who possess said capital already
Pluto was a planet and I'll never forget
Pluto was a planet and I'll never forget
It turns out there's always a fierce battle royale of time travelers around baby Hitlers, we just don't notice them because we only perceive the final state of the timeline
One thing I always thought kind of interesting was the idea that, in the Bible, maybe other gods actually did exist. Like, ok the Hebrews were wandering in the desert after fleeing Egypt, witnessing divine plagues, seeing a man part a fucking sea so they could walk through it and then followed a giant pillar of fucking fire by night and a giant pillar of fucking clouds by day. After seeing all of this insane, obviously supernatural shit they got bored for a little while and decided to worship a golden calf.
You're either dumb as hell or you got some evidence to back up the idea the golden calf God (Baal?) Can throw down some spooky shit, too.
Maybe God was the new anime protagonist on the scene who's insanely powerful and decided he was gonna eat the other God's lunch.
baal wasn't actually a singular deity the hebrew people just made up
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baal
EDIT: also there is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_(deity)#Hebrew_Bible who is a possible number of Semitic culture group deities worshiped before abraham formed the covenant and is also oftentimes referred to ambiguously
elohim and el shaddai are both hebrew names for god that derive from el
True. James Dobson's views didn't start to get super crazy until after his midlife crisis.
Edit: here it is
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-names-reveal-what-s-history-and-what-s-myth-in-the-bible-researcher-says-1.8904696
Basically an Israeli archeologist is using names from the Bible in an attempt to date when the books were written. If you have a name that matches the naming conventions of the time and region when the book is set you know more or less the author either lived near that place and time or had direct sources. If the names don't match up you can be more sure the author made them up using what they were familiar with.
It also talks a little about the naming conventions and how those kind of highlight the initial polytheism of the early Israelites.
There is a God-off in Kings: http://web.mit.edu/jywang/www/cef/Bible/NIV/NIV_Bible/1KGS+18.html
From around 19, with God delivering the K.O around 38.
It's basically a contest where each side tries to make their god light a fire.
Spoiler: it ends with people killing each other.
Not Earth, but Hard To Be A God is close.
Better spoiler: "Chant louder, maybe your god is asleep. Or maybe he's on the toilet"
I think I played a Final Fantasy like that...
This is actually one of the through-lines for the middle part of Xena: Warrior Princess.
The Greek gods begin to freak out that an Abrahamic deity is going to over-power them and cause their destruction (which does happen).
"value is determined at point of purchase" is a pretty fundamental idea in conservative philosophy and economics, historically speaking. though I believe it was first stated by Edmund Burke in response to the revolution, not the french nobility. he and Hobbs before him were overtly opposed to equality and thought that a stratified society, and specifically the monarchy and the position of the aristocracy, were good things. conservatism did in fact originate with a bunch of dickhead aristocrats, basically, that part is true.
anyway you're being shitty right now, knock it off.
If you want to mod me for posts that are 6 days old feel free to use the report button
But "conservatism started with some aristocrats" is not what I was responding to, which should be obvious as it was not part of the post I was quoting
This is also one of the big plot points of a webcomic called Thunderstruck. Long ago all the gods existed on the same plane and at some point Yahweh takes the opportunity to betray the other gods and lock them in the other side of the world (as in another plane) so he was the only god for humanity, but the effort to do so put him in a coma and he's been out of it ever since.
Spoilers for a certain David Weber book
yeah, he's a trash author, but the backstory is delicious
edit: spoilers for the book
All of the demigods and gods of antiquity were people with hypertech
people that survived events they shouldn't have were augmented people trying to guide events to their advantage
e.g. why Hitler survived that bomb blast--reinforced cybertech body
800 to 5000 year old penguin mummies. Neat!
They were revealed by melting ice from increased antarctic temperatures. N-neat...
What'd they do with the penguin sarcophagi
when I first started the tweet, i had a very brief glimpse of a world where Egyptians somehow traded with the far southern hemisphere and respectfully interred their new little feathered friends when they died.