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    Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    edited April 2016
    This unfortunately didn't give WB a wake-up call. In fact, it did the opposite. They're literally paring down their non-franchise efforts to save money, and pushing MORE franchise films in BvS's wake.

    They literally added two more films to their big DC schedule going to 2020.

    They seem committed to riding this trainwreck all the way to hell.

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    kaceypkaceyp we stayed bright as lightning we sang loud as thunderRegistered User regular
    Oh two more BvS things:

    Lex Luthor. The thing early on in the movie where he
    was totally unable to finish his speech at the charity thing was weird. I assumed it was meant to be leading to something, like a reveal that he was suffering from some kind of degenerative brain condition. Was it just meant to be a sign of his general instability, or did I miss something?

    Also, did this movie actually just
    throw Jimmy Olsen into a bit part for the sole purpose of killing him?

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    SimBenSimBen Hodor? Hodor Hodor.Registered User regular
    It's one thing to double down on the concept of franchises in light of sudden financial desperation

    the true litmus test would be them delaying Justice League or firing Zack Snyder

    Like there's planning and then there's a need for a creative overhaul. They need to do the second thing and I hope they do.

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    It is pretty nuts that the first time Batman and Superman, possibly the two most iconic comic characters of all time, have met in major movie history as well as the first ever appearance of Wonder Woman is likely going to be outgrossed in the US by these idiots
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    SimBenSimBen Hodor? Hodor Hodor.Registered User regular
    Fuck, it's nuts that the Avengers got a movie before the Justice League did, in the first place.

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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    BvS made all the money despite being a giant ball of shit

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    SimBenSimBen Hodor? Hodor Hodor.Registered User regular
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    BvS made all the money despite being a giant ball of shit

    Apparently not enough.

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    Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    Never been a fan of making Ward into Taskmaster. The character works better as a neutral party who works for the highest bidder, rather than some asshole with an agenda. Like "it's just a job" is kind of his defining trait. Ward is way too into revenge and finding an obsession to put his energy into.

    Plus Ward is
    Dead, with his corpse posesses by the Hive.

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    BvS made all the money despite being a giant ball of shit
    Except it didn't though

    Like

    700 million total is a pretty impressive gross for most films and sounds good on paper

    But compared to other films of the same size and importance(Avengers, Iron Mans, etc.) , hell even other Batman films, it isn't very impressive and is even less so given that it had a 250-300 million production budget and, according to pretty reliable sources such as THR and Variety, an even larger advertising budget it definitely didn't make as much of an impact as you would think

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    SimBenSimBen Hodor? Hodor Hodor.Registered User regular
    WB was relying on BvS for like half of their entire revenue for the year. It needed to be the biggest movie of the year.

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    ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    I dont understand people who keep saying "all the reviews and nerd complaints didn't do anything it made a ton of money"

    It kind of didn't though? Not comparatively

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    SimBenSimBen Hodor? Hodor Hodor.Registered User regular
    Oh absolutely.

    On opening week-end there was absolutely a case to be made for "fans don't care about the reviews and eat this shit up" and I'm sure WB execs were giving each other high fives and calling meetings to tell everyone KEEP DOING WHAT YOU'RE DOING

    but that unbelievable fall-off pretty clearly tells us no, the bad reviews are sinking this film, word of mouth is negative, people hate this movie and are telling each other not to see it, there's no money to be made in bad movies.

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    UnbrokenEvaUnbrokenEva HIGH ON THE WIRE BUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered User regular
    Mr. G wrote: »
    Most Wanted existing probably just means I won't watch Shield anymore and just watch that, if I watch at all

    I got the gist of the Inhumans stuff so I have no real drive to watch Shield anymore unless they bring back Kyle MacLachlan or make Ward Taskmaster, and I don't know which is more unlikely at this point

    My current hope is that Oded Fehr's mystery villain in Most Wanted turns out to be Taskmaster

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    UnbrokenEvaUnbrokenEva HIGH ON THE WIRE BUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered User regular
    SimBen wrote: »
    Oh absolutely.

    On opening week-end there was absolutely a case to be made for "fans don't care about the reviews and eat this shit up" and I'm sure WB execs were giving each other high fives and calling meetings to tell everyone KEEP DOING WHAT YOU'RE DOING

    but that unbelievable fall-off pretty clearly tells us no, the bad reviews are sinking this film, word of mouth is negative, people hate this movie and are telling each other not to see it, there's no money to be made in bad movies.

    Tell that to the Transformographagizers movies

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    SimBenSimBen Hodor? Hodor Hodor.Registered User regular
    Fearghaill wrote: »
    SimBen wrote: »
    Oh absolutely.

    On opening week-end there was absolutely a case to be made for "fans don't care about the reviews and eat this shit up" and I'm sure WB execs were giving each other high fives and calling meetings to tell everyone KEEP DOING WHAT YOU'RE DOING

    but that unbelievable fall-off pretty clearly tells us no, the bad reviews are sinking this film, word of mouth is negative, people hate this movie and are telling each other not to see it, there's no money to be made in bad movies.

    Tell that to the Transformographagizers movies

    Those are huge in China.

    BvS isn't.

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    UnbrokenEvaUnbrokenEva HIGH ON THE WIRE BUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered User regular
    edited April 2016
    SimBen wrote: »
    Fearghaill wrote: »
    SimBen wrote: »
    Oh absolutely.

    On opening week-end there was absolutely a case to be made for "fans don't care about the reviews and eat this shit up" and I'm sure WB execs were giving each other high fives and calling meetings to tell everyone KEEP DOING WHAT YOU'RE DOING

    but that unbelievable fall-off pretty clearly tells us no, the bad reviews are sinking this film, word of mouth is negative, people hate this movie and are telling each other not to see it, there's no money to be made in bad movies.

    Tell that to the Transformographagizers movies

    Those are huge in China.

    BvS isn't.

    That does nothing to change the fact that they are vey bad, very profitable movies, which is why I disagreed with the bolded statement. Clearly there *is* money to be made in bad movies

    They just need to be bad movies with even a semblance of fun

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    edited April 2016
    Yeah, BvS being bad didn't sink it.

    BvS being utterly grim and humorless for 2.5 hours did.

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    UnbrokenEvaUnbrokenEva HIGH ON THE WIRE BUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered User regular
    There's also money to be made in shameless product placement, which actually isn't a criticism I've heard about BvS, come to think of it.

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    masterofmetroidmasterofmetroid Have you ever looked at a world and seen it as a kind of challenge?Registered User regular
    Yeah i hadn't heard about an Applebee's torture scene or anything

    Probably the first thing i've heard the movie improve on over Man of Steel

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    Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    If it is like most ABC Family fare I will definitely be skipping Cloak and Dagger

    Never been a huge fan of the characters and am not dying to watch a teen romance soap opera

    I've always liked their look a lot, but they show up so sporadically I've never really gotten to see if I like them as characters.

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    Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    I tell you what though, a Cloak and Dagger show means we're going to get a Cloak and Dagger comic series, which has a lot more potential than an ABC Family show.

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    DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    honestly I'm more likely to be interested in an ABC Family Marvel show than a Marvel show on ABC proper

    or I guess, Freeform? either way

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    Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    I tell you what though, a Cloak and Dagger show means we're going to get a Cloak and Dagger comic series, which has a lot more potential than an ABC Family show.

    It'll wind up written by James Robinson with art by Greg Land.

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    Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    In my head it's written by Kieron Gillen with art by Cameron Stewart, and you can't take that away from me!

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    OlivawOlivaw good name, isn't it? the foot of mt fujiRegistered User regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    Yeah, BvS being bad didn't sink it.

    BvS being utterly grim and humorless for 2.5 hours did.

    Yeah. Again, even Nolan's Bat-films had a bunch of little moments of levity

    I think you could do completely humorless and have people come back to it? But the movie would have to be, y'know

    Good

    The combination of "bad" and "humorless" is what really sunk its potential

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    OlivawOlivaw good name, isn't it? the foot of mt fujiRegistered User regular
    Oh, and fun fact! WB's other big movies this year, the ones that have to make a ton of money to make up for BvS underperforming?

    Tarzan and Suicide Squad

    Suicide Squad is a real toss-up, but Tarzan? Not a chance in hell that's breaking any box office records

    I sincerely wonder what Warner Bros. does come next year

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    Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    Warner Bros has a Harry Potter film coming out this year too.

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    Mr. GMr. G Registered User regular
    Wait, Fantastic Beasts is this year?

    That snuck up quick

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    Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    November 18th. We've got a little while yet

    ..Heh, Dr. Strange and Fantastic Beasts will be in theaters at the same time.

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    November 18th. We've got a little while yet

    ..Heh, Dr. Strange and Fantastic Beasts will be in theaters at the same time.
    I'm a Wizard, and that's fucked up

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    Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    Marvel apparently trademarked the name "Mosaic" for use in comics, alongside a bunch of no brainers like Old Man Logan and Howling Commandos.

    Also "Tales of Suspense" for a digital comic.

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    Bluedude152Bluedude152 Registered User regular
    Oh rad continuing the trent of every harry potter movie coming out around my birthday

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    FUCKING YES

    DC is launching a new sub brand, Young Animals, spearheaded by Gerard Way and focused on telling modern, stylish stories from young up and coming creators. The flagship title is DOOM PATROL BY GERARD WAY AND NICK DERRINGTON.

    The other launch titles are Shade: The Changing Girl by Cecil Castellucci and artist Marley Zarcone, Cave Carson has a Cybernetic Eye by Gerard Way and Jon Rivera with art by Michael Avon Oeming and Mother Panic written by Jody Houser, with art by Tommy Lee Edwards and John Paul Leon.

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Also, they are doing a special 12 issue event series, Kamandi Challenge. Each issue will have a different creative team, all of which will be passing the baton to tell one 12 issue Kamandi story, the creative teams are: Dan Abnett & Dale Eaglesham, Peter J. Tomasi & Neal Adams, Amanda Conner & Jimmy Palmiotti, James Tynion IV & Carlos D'Anda, Bill Willingham & Ivan Reis, Steve Orlando & Philip Tan, Marguerite Bennett & Dan Jurgens, Keith Giffen & Steve Rude, Tom King & Kevin Eastman, Greg Pak & Joe Prado, Rob Williams & Walter Simonson, Gail Simone & Ryan Sook and Len Wein & José Luis García-López.

    There's one extra in there for some reason.

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    Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    All cancelled in 3 months

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    All cancelled in 3 months
    Nah, I doubt it

    They aren't gonna be expected to hit the same sales thresholds as the superhero titles and I doubt Way would be signed on to act as a sort of EiC for the line of they didn't agree to let it have some leg room

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    TaminTamin Registered User regular
    Olivaw wrote: »
    Oh, and fun fact! WB's other big movies this year, the ones that have to make a ton of money to make up for BvS underperforming?

    Tarzan and Suicide Squad

    Suicide Squad is a real toss-up, but Tarzan? Not a chance in hell that's breaking any box office records

    I sincerely wonder what Warner Bros. does come next year

    I guess I don't get the claim that Tarzan is inherently unable to break box office records. Is it based on anything in particular?

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Tamin wrote: »
    Olivaw wrote: »
    Oh, and fun fact! WB's other big movies this year, the ones that have to make a ton of money to make up for BvS underperforming?

    Tarzan and Suicide Squad

    Suicide Squad is a real toss-up, but Tarzan? Not a chance in hell that's breaking any box office records

    I sincerely wonder what Warner Bros. does come next year

    I guess I don't get the claim that Tarzan is inherently unable to break box office records. Is it based on anything in particular?
    Well

    Tarzan

    Like, it might be a good movie and do well but chances of it being a smash hit that demolishes records are...

    Slim.

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    GoatmonGoatmon Companion of Kess Registered User regular
    Olivaw wrote: »
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    Yeah, BvS being bad didn't sink it.

    BvS being utterly grim and humorless for 2.5 hours did.

    Yeah. Again, even Nolan's Bat-films had a bunch of little moments of levity

    I think you could do completely humorless and have people come back to it? But the movie would have to be, y'know

    Good

    The combination of "bad" and "humorless" is what really sunk its potential

    The "disappearing" pencil had me laughing my ass off.

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