[MtG] That was a real nice declaration

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Magic: the Gathering is a card game about dunking on terrible vampires

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  • Theodore FlooseveltTheodore Floosevelt proud parent of eight beautiful girls dorne (which is currently being ruled by a woman (awesome role model for my daughters)) #dornedadRegistered User regular
    A+ thread title

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  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
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    I like that declaration. That's a nice declaration.


    also, I think that Startled Awake is substantially better online than in paper (in limited). Specifically because it's much easier to set up a waiting game counting down to the exact turn you need to fire off an unexpected "mill you for 13" to win on the next turn when you don't have to physically count the cards left in their library.

  • nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    @knob you can awaken westvale Abby but I wouldn't recommend it. Due to weird layers reasons if you awaken it for 2 and then flip to the demon it'll just be a 2/2 indestructible, flying, haste.

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  • KnobKnob TURN THE BEAT BACK InternetModerator mod
    LIFELINK, TOO

  • Theodore FlooseveltTheodore Floosevelt proud parent of eight beautiful girls dorne (which is currently being ruled by a woman (awesome role model for my daughters)) #dornedadRegistered User regular
    Knob wrote: »
    LIFELINK, TOO

    you'd think so man, but, layers, ya know? layers.

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  • KwoaruKwoaru Registered User regular
    you can awaken westvale Abby but I wouldn't recommend it. Due to weird layers reasons if you awaken it for 2 and then flip to the demon it'll just be a 2/2 indestructible, flying, haste.

    haha what how does this even work

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  • PinfeldorfPinfeldorf Realtor Santa ClaritaRegistered User regular
    Sorry, what card are y'all talking about using on Abbey?

  • nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    Kwoaru wrote: »
    you can awaken westvale Abby but I wouldn't recommend it. Due to weird layers reasons if you awaken it for 2 and then flip to the demon it'll just be a 2/2 indestructible, flying, haste.

    haha what how does this even work

    She doesn't really say why but

    http://magicjudge.tumblr.com/post/142004965495/i-awaken-a-westvale-abbey-with-ruinous-path-it?is_related_post=1

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  • The BetgirlThe Betgirl I'm Molly! Registered User regular
    Kwoaru wrote: »
    you can awaken westvale Abby but I wouldn't recommend it. Due to weird layers reasons if you awaken it for 2 and then flip to the demon it'll just be a 2/2 indestructible, flying, haste.

    haha what how does this even work

    awaken sets the base power and toughness of the object to 0/0

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  • metaghostmetaghost Registered User regular
    edited April 2016
    Yeah, I'm gonna need @Nullzone to clarify that, because that doesn't make sense to me — why would awakening the front half affect the back?

    EDIT: Reading about it is "ugh".

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  • PinfeldorfPinfeldorf Realtor Santa ClaritaRegistered User regular
    Oh, just using the Awaken ability, yeah. Awaken says the creature is a 0/0, which overrides the creature's base stats. Think of it as putting this on it, but it says 0/0:
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  • NullzoneNullzone Registered User regular
    edited April 2016
    Awaken creates a game rule that says "This object has base power and toughness 0/0" - it's just like casting Turn to Frog on something, just with different numbers. Transforming isn't applying a game rule; the object's actual printed characteristics change.

    When determining what something looks like on the field, the game starts with printed values of an object, but then uses the layers system to determine what the thing actually looks like after applying all effects modifying that object. Check out Comprehensive Rule 613.

    So yeah, Awaken on Westvale Abbey is gonna give you a bad time if you want to actually transform it. It works great on animated lands like Wandering Fumarole and Hissing Quagmire, though!

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  • metaghostmetaghost Registered User regular
    It's definitely just one of those things where transform feels, as intended, like you create a new card/object, as in the case of Ormendahl you wholly alter the previous card text. It's understandable why they don't what the flip to treat cards as new objects, but this interaction feels "bad" as a consequence.

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  • NullzoneNullzone Registered User regular
    I mean, you are still "wholly altering the previous card's text" but that concept explicitly precludes other game rules and effects from being wiped out.

  • KwoaruKwoaru Registered User regular
    edited April 2016
    Oh so the awaken effect works like an aura when it comes to transforming cards, rather than just dropping the counters and only effecting one side

    I don't like it but I guess it makes sense

    edit and it's kind of an edge case, I don't think we are going to see too many double sided land cards

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  • RawrBearRawrBear Registered User regular
    Kwoaru wrote: »
    I don't like it but I guess it makes sense

    This basically sums up layers in general. At least it's not painter's servant.

  • PinfeldorfPinfeldorf Realtor Santa ClaritaRegistered User regular
    You want layers and not making sense? I present to you:

    124471

    Forget all that you know about layering, and bask in the concept of 'dependent' and 'codependent' layers.

  • The BetgirlThe Betgirl I'm Molly! Registered User regular
    Pinfeldorf wrote: »
    You want layers and not making sense? I present to you:

    124471

    Forget all that you know about layering, and bask in the concept of 'dependent' and 'codependent' layers.

    magic sucks, actually

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  • KilroyKilroy timaeusTestified Registered User regular
    Pinfeldorf wrote: »
    You want layers and not making sense? I present to you:

    124471

    Forget all that you know about layering, and bask in the concept of 'dependent' and 'codependent' layers.

    planar chaos sucks, actually

  • WiseManTobesWiseManTobes Registered User regular
    Pinfeldorf wrote: »
    You want layers and not making sense? I present to you:

    124471

    Forget all that you know about layering, and bask in the concept of 'dependent' and 'codependent' layers.

    So if you play that, then sporemound , then a land, you crash MTGO right?

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  • PinfeldorfPinfeldorf Realtor Santa ClaritaRegistered User regular
    Pinfeldorf wrote: »
    You want layers and not making sense? I present to you:

    124471

    Forget all that you know about layering, and bask in the concept of 'dependent' and 'codependent' layers.

    So if you play that, then sporemound , then a land, you crash MTGO right?

    The game will be a draw, dunno if MTGO will crash.

  • The BetgirlThe Betgirl I'm Molly! Registered User regular
    Kilroy wrote: »
    Pinfeldorf wrote: »
    You want layers and not making sense? I present to you:

    124471

    Forget all that you know about layering, and bask in the concept of 'dependent' and 'codependent' layers.

    planar chaos sucks, actually

    incorrect, planar chaos has my favorite magic borders ever

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    mm-mm-mmmmm

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  • KnobKnob TURN THE BEAT BACK InternetModerator mod
    Fuck layers, I do what I want

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  • Theodore FlooseveltTheodore Floosevelt proud parent of eight beautiful girls dorne (which is currently being ruled by a woman (awesome role model for my daughters)) #dornedadRegistered User regular
    time spiral block belongs on a perfect pedestal, even its stupid parts

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  • PinfeldorfPinfeldorf Realtor Santa ClaritaRegistered User regular
    The only layers I like are in cake.

  • WiseManTobesWiseManTobes Registered User regular
    What happens to a tribal Changeling instant around Life and Limb?

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  • PinfeldorfPinfeldorf Realtor Santa ClaritaRegistered User regular
    Nothing.

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  • The BetgirlThe Betgirl I'm Molly! Registered User regular
    Yeah, an instant never enters the battlefield, so nothing happens

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  • TaramoorTaramoor Storyteller Registered User regular
    Yeah, an instant never enters the battlefield, so nothing happens

    What if you manifest it?

  • KnobKnob TURN THE BEAT BACK InternetModerator mod
    This is the current interaction between Humility and Opalescence: The type-changing effect applies at layer 4, but the rest happens in the applicable layers. The rest of it will apply even if the permanent loses its ability before it’s finished applying. So if Opalescence, Humility, and Worship are on the battlefield and Opalescence entered the battlefield before Humility, the following is true: Layer 4: Humility and Worship each become creatures that are still enchantments. (Opalescence). Layer 6: Humility and Worship each lose their abilities. (Humility) Layer 7b: Humility becomes 4/4 and Worship becomes 4/4. (Opalescence). Humility becomes 1/1 and Worship becomes 1/1 (Humility). But if Humility entered the battlefield before Opalescence, the following is true: Layer 4: Humility and Worship each become creatures that are still enchantments (Opalescence). Layer 6: Humility and Worship each lose their abilities (Humility). Layer 7b: Humility becomes 1/1 and Worship becomes 1/1 (Humility). Humility becomes 4/4 and Worship becomes 4/4 (Opalescence).

    looooooooooooool

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  • Theodore FlooseveltTheodore Floosevelt proud parent of eight beautiful girls dorne (which is currently being ruled by a woman (awesome role model for my daughters)) #dornedadRegistered User regular
    Taramoor wrote: »
    Yeah, an instant never enters the battlefield, so nothing happens

    What if you manifest it?

    hmm

    does manifest recognize that the face-down changeling instant is a creature card?

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  • WiseManTobesWiseManTobes Registered User regular
    Knob wrote: »
    This is the current interaction between Humility and Opalescence: The type-changing effect applies at layer 4, but the rest happens in the applicable layers. The rest of it will apply even if the permanent loses its ability before it’s finished applying. So if Opalescence, Humility, and Worship are on the battlefield and Opalescence entered the battlefield before Humility, the following is true: Layer 4: Humility and Worship each become creatures that are still enchantments. (Opalescence). Layer 6: Humility and Worship each lose their abilities. (Humility) Layer 7b: Humility becomes 4/4 and Worship becomes 4/4. (Opalescence). Humility becomes 1/1 and Worship becomes 1/1 (Humility). But if Humility entered the battlefield before Opalescence, the following is true: Layer 4: Humility and Worship each become creatures that are still enchantments (Opalescence). Layer 6: Humility and Worship each lose their abilities (Humility). Layer 7b: Humility becomes 1/1 and Worship becomes 1/1 (Humility). Humility becomes 4/4 and Worship becomes 4/4 (Opalescence).

    looooooooooooool

    Careful if you read this entire paragraph, you suddenly quit magic

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  • PinfeldorfPinfeldorf Realtor Santa ClaritaRegistered User regular
    Instants and Sorceries can literally never be on the battlefield face-up. There is no combination of cards that lets it happen.

  • KnobKnob TURN THE BEAT BACK InternetModerator mod
    My new goal

    Play edh

    Resolve Humility, Opalescence, Worship, Life and Limb, and Starfield

    Drop Mic, walk away

    Whippy
  • PinfeldorfPinfeldorf Realtor Santa ClaritaRegistered User regular
    You need a Conspiracy for Saprolings in there, too. Really just fuck it all up.

    Knob
  • KilroyKilroy timaeusTestified Registered User regular
    Kilroy wrote: »
    Pinfeldorf wrote: »
    You want layers and not making sense? I present to you:

    124471

    Forget all that you know about layering, and bask in the concept of 'dependent' and 'codependent' layers.

    planar chaos sucks, actually

    incorrect, planar chaos has my favorite magic borders ever

    25.jpg

    mm-mm-mmmmm

    okay yes, this is true

  • NullzoneNullzone Registered User regular
    Taramoor wrote: »
    Yeah, an instant never enters the battlefield, so nothing happens

    What if you manifest it?

    hmm

    does manifest recognize that the face-down changeling instant is a creature card?

    No. The manifest is a 2/2 colorless creature with no name or types; it has no relationship to its normal face.

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  • KnobKnob TURN THE BEAT BACK InternetModerator mod
    PTSOI will do draft with sleeved boosters

    That's cool

  • The BetgirlThe Betgirl I'm Molly! Registered User regular
    What does that mean, exactly? pre-sleeved cards?

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  • KwoaruKwoaru Registered User regular
    Probably, the boosters used in pro tour limited are all preopened and stamped and registered right?

    Sleeving wouldn't add too much work to that

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