He had seven on-color rares of the nine he opened (including his promo Oath). Running Emrakul was actually a handicap since he never actually cast it but the other six were all insane. Not surprised that he took this down.
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I think MaRo also mentioned "not every mechanic has to be widespread"
so they reserve the right to try a weird mechanic that only ever gets like 3 cards printed
THEY NEEDED EXTORT ON MORE THAN FOUR CARDS DAMMIT
It was on more than four cards. Without checking Gatherer I would suspect at least ten. (EDIT: Gatherer says 13.)
Only one extort card was even remotely playable outside of Limited, though. Maybe two if you had a decent Crypt Ghast build (and I certainly tried), but really Blind Obedience was the only one that I cared for. Tithe Drinker was fun, too.
That said, Pontiff of Blight is one hell of a Commander card.
They should have made a Land with Extort. That'd have been rad.
OH MY GOD THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN AMAZING
Either that or an artifact that did nothing but have Extort on it.
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I think MaRo also mentioned "not every mechanic has to be widespread"
so they reserve the right to try a weird mechanic that only ever gets like 3 cards printed
THEY NEEDED EXTORT ON MORE THAN FOUR CARDS DAMMIT
It was on more than four cards. Without checking Gatherer I would suspect at least ten. (EDIT: Gatherer says 13.)
Only one extort card was even remotely playable outside of Limited, though. Maybe two if you had a decent Crypt Ghast build (and I certainly tried), but really Blind Obedience was the only one that I cared for. Tithe Drinker was fun, too.
That said, Pontiff of Blight is one hell of a Commander card.
They should have made a Land with Extort. That'd have been rad.
OH MY GOD THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN AMAZING
Either that or an artifact that did nothing but have Extort on it.
I think MaRo also mentioned "not every mechanic has to be widespread"
so they reserve the right to try a weird mechanic that only ever gets like 3 cards printed
THEY NEEDED EXTORT ON MORE THAN FOUR CARDS DAMMIT
It was on more than four cards. Without checking Gatherer I would suspect at least ten. (EDIT: Gatherer says 13.)
Only one extort card was even remotely playable outside of Limited, though. Maybe two if you had a decent Crypt Ghast build (and I certainly tried), but really Blind Obedience was the only one that I cared for. Tithe Drinker was fun, too.
That said, Pontiff of Blight is one hell of a Commander card.
They should have made a Land with Extort. That'd have been rad.
OH MY GOD THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN AMAZING
Either that or an artifact that did nothing but have Extort on it.
The Land may have even look at at some point. It's too elegant not to have been. My guess is two factors worked against it.
1) It was a Land. I know RTR-block already had all the Guildgates and the Shockland cycle taking up space. That leaves little room in the file for other lands - especially ones that have such a narrow effect for Limited (only W or B decks want it) and would have to tap for Colorless (in a set that needed fixing). My guess is that there simply wasn't room, especially given that Gatecrash was a Small set. In fact, looking at the Sets between Gatecrash and Dragons Maze there were only two non-gate, non-shock lands. Thespian Stage in Gatecrash, and Maze's End in Dragon's Maze - confirming my "just not much room for more lands" hunch. And, of those two, you certainly aren't cutting Mazes End - it's a card they could ONLY make in that set and was way too cool. As for Stage, yeah you could do that a lot of places (would have fit in Theros for sure), it's just as well where it is. Plus given land space issues I'm not sure they wanted to give only ONE guild a special land.
2) While the above is certainly enough, it's entirely possible that despite it being a tiny effect, that it was too good in Standard in FFL. We know what a good deck Revelation Control was. It's possible the ability to Extort off all your Counterspells and Verdicts and Charms was just too good against aggro.
Starcity finally put up a new vs video for standard. Its monoblack Vampires vs Gerry T.'s really bad looking monoblue prison deck. Its hard to tell since its playing against prison but the madness synergy actually looks pretty strong in that deck. Im imagining it against reflector mage and it seems pretty dang good.
There is also a ton of good points made in the conclusion. The vampire tribal didn't do anything but the madness stuff actually seemed really strong and haunted dead was the business so maybe monoblack zombies with tons of vampires like last innistrad? Also it seems like tutelage might just be the way to go for monoblue now.
Ok that confirmed my read that there are some powerful Zombies in this set. Like if I had to build NonHumans Tribal right now, Id look harder at Zombies that Vampires.
Edit: or Spirits but I just REALLY want Spirits to be a thing.
Of course non of it will. Stupid CoCo
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...especially given that Gatecrash was a Small set...
Gatecrash was a large set. It was drafted alone after triple RTR and then we got one of my favorite (and no one elses) formats, DGM-GTC-RTR. I loved taking all the gates pack one and forcing 5-color control.
Roommate seems to think WU spirits will be totally legit, since you can Ojutai's Command out a Spell Queller or Rattlechains to turn it into a card that acts arguably better than Cryptic Command. The final piece of the puzzle yet to solve is whether Bygone Bishop is good enough (it probably is) and whether or not you want to play Collective Effort (which you probably do) and how many. The deck looks like it will have a really annoying array of disruption and a decent clock.
Roommate seems to think WU spirits will be totally legit, since you can Ojutai's Command out a Spell Queller or Rattlechains to turn it into a card that acts arguably better than Cryptic Command. The final piece of the puzzle yet to solve is whether Bygone Bishop is good enough (it probably is) and whether or not you want to play Collective Effort (which you probably do) and how many. The deck looks like it will have a really annoying array of disruption and a decent clock.
Oh, you're right, keep thinking it's power 2 or less. You can get the dude you can sac to make your team indestructible or Rattlechains, though. Ojutai's Command is probably not a 4of in the deck, but it's hard to actually figure it out without having the cards in front of us to figure out what looks good and what doesn't. It's also entirely possible you just throw in 4 CoCos but holy shit is that boring.
i mean i would imagine that "4 CoCos" is as understandable a part of deckbuilding as "yes of course i'm putting lands in this deck i'm building, i'm describing the interesting cards here"
Sideboard is a direct port so I take no responsibility for it. From the video haunted dead is really good. With a madness creature or two(not to mention prized amalgamation) it does a decent coco impersonation sneak six or more points of damage on end step.
I'm trying something a bit dangerous and playing prized amalgamation without any blue sources. You're pretty much always going to ditch it so its
Only a really bad top deck. Don't know how it's going to work but sneaking them into play seems to good to pass up. We will see.
I'm running a split of husk and colossus. Not sure which is better. Colossus is clearly better alone with a full graveyard but husk creates an engine with cryptbreaker and relentless dead.
Do we have to end every statement with "but every deck that can't run coco is garbage so". I mean maybe you guys are right but shutting down every discussion and avenue of deck building doesn't se productive.
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Are there any ways to get green mana without green lands in this standard?
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I think MaRo also mentioned "not every mechanic has to be widespread"
so they reserve the right to try a weird mechanic that only ever gets like 3 cards printed
THEY NEEDED EXTORT ON MORE THAN FOUR CARDS DAMMIT
It was on more than four cards. Without checking Gatherer I would suspect at least ten. (EDIT: Gatherer says 13.)
Only one extort card was even remotely playable outside of Limited, though. Maybe two if you had a decent Crypt Ghast build (and I certainly tried), but really Blind Obedience was the only one that I cared for. Tithe Drinker was fun, too.
That said, Pontiff of Blight is one hell of a Commander card.
They should have made a Land with Extort. That'd have been rad.
OH MY GOD THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN AMAZING
Either that or an artifact that did nothing but have Extort on it.
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Two mana and we're gold.
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Do we have to end every statement with "but every deck that can't run coco is garbage so". I mean maybe you guys are right but shutting down every discussion and avenue of deck building doesn't se productive.
I just remember every card getting dismissed with "Dies to Murder" or something similar.
Every set is like this, every card is the worst thing ever unless it's something obviously gross.
Do we have to end every statement with "but every deck that can't run coco is garbage so". I mean maybe you guys are right but shutting down every discussion and avenue of deck building doesn't se productive.
I just remember every card getting dismissed with "Dies to Murder" or something similar.
Every set is like this, every card is the worst thing ever unless it's something obviously gross.
Heck wasn't CoCo itself given a mediocre reception at fist?
Do we have to end every statement with "but every deck that can't run coco is garbage so". I mean maybe you guys are right but shutting down every discussion and avenue of deck building doesn't se productive.
I just remember every card getting dismissed with "Dies to Murder" or something similar.
Every set is like this, every card is the worst thing ever unless it's something obviously gross.
Heck wasn't CoCo itself given a mediocre reception at fist?
nooooooooot really. It was SUPER powerful but didn't have as good a home as it does now. People knew that, it was immediately slotted into modern.
CoCo was also released into a format where you had fewer ruthlessly efficient 3 drops. By going to 4 you got cards like Siege Rhino. Hell by going to 6 you got Elspeth. It was known to be good, but you had more rewards for playing different styles of decks than CoCo.
Do we have to end every statement with "but every deck that can't run coco is garbage so". I mean maybe you guys are right but shutting down every discussion and avenue of deck building doesn't se productive.
I just remember every card getting dismissed with "Dies to Murder" or something similar.
Every set is like this, every card is the worst thing ever unless it's something obviously gross.
Heck wasn't CoCo itself given a mediocre reception at fist?
Well, it actually looks like it got a fairly positive reception, but there are always some gems scattered about.
After the 'omg, actually a new spell' wore off, I think this might not be any good; one actual, definite 4 drop - Rhino, Outpost Siege, etc - seems like a much better thing to do with your deck.
I would like to see the math on how many targets in deck you need for this to hit twice reliably.
At 20 targets, you hit at least one target more than 90% of the time, but I don't know the chance to hit two targets. If the average result is just one hit, with some minimal failure rate, and some large but unreliable chance to hit twice, is it worth it?
If we need 30+ targets to reliably hit two creatures, are those deckbuilding constraints worth the payoff?
I suspect that getting this card to average 1.5 hits is not difficult, and in that case this card will be very much worth inclusion. But again, I would like to see the math
Oh something else worth considering also is that every single creature in the Company decks these days is from a set after Dragons. So while it was always a good card, you weren't hitting as-disgusting things, which tempered it a bit. Cards like Deathmist Raptor and Courser were good, but they weren't the tempo blowouts Bounding Krasis or Reflector Mage are
and let's not get into that sack of shit sylvan advocate
Back in the early days, I was one of those kitchen table groups that they ended up added more words to cards because of.
Was way more fun when firebreathing didn't end at the end of the turn :biggrin: 28/5 Shivan Dragon's
Dude I started playing Magic before I learned algebra, so I thought X spells were literally just the roman numeral for 10. Hadn't seen an Aladdin's Lamp at that point, and when I did I was confused. Also if you thought firebreathing was nuts without the 'until end of turn' template, imagine Carrion Ants!
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He had seven on-color rares of the nine he opened (including his promo Oath). Running Emrakul was actually a handicap since he never actually cast it but the other six were all insane. Not surprised that he took this down.
But whippy.
There's no flavor text there
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OH MY GOD THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN AMAZING
Either that or an artifact that did nothing but have Extort on it.
Collection Plate — 4
Artifact
Extort
The Land may have even look at at some point. It's too elegant not to have been. My guess is two factors worked against it.
1) It was a Land. I know RTR-block already had all the Guildgates and the Shockland cycle taking up space. That leaves little room in the file for other lands - especially ones that have such a narrow effect for Limited (only W or B decks want it) and would have to tap for Colorless (in a set that needed fixing). My guess is that there simply wasn't room, especially given that Gatecrash was a Small set. In fact, looking at the Sets between Gatecrash and Dragons Maze there were only two non-gate, non-shock lands. Thespian Stage in Gatecrash, and Maze's End in Dragon's Maze - confirming my "just not much room for more lands" hunch. And, of those two, you certainly aren't cutting Mazes End - it's a card they could ONLY make in that set and was way too cool. As for Stage, yeah you could do that a lot of places (would have fit in Theros for sure), it's just as well where it is. Plus given land space issues I'm not sure they wanted to give only ONE guild a special land.
2) While the above is certainly enough, it's entirely possible that despite it being a tiny effect, that it was too good in Standard in FFL. We know what a good deck Revelation Control was. It's possible the ability to Extort off all your Counterspells and Verdicts and Charms was just too good against aggro.
Edit: or Spirits but I just REALLY want Spirits to be a thing.
Of course non of it will. Stupid CoCo
Gatecrash was a large set. It was drafted alone after triple RTR and then we got one of my favorite (and no one elses) formats, DGM-GTC-RTR. I loved taking all the gates pack one and forcing 5-color control.
I thought spell Queller was a 3 drop..?
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22 swamp
2 Gier reach sanitarium
3 grasp of darkness
4 collective brutality
1 dark salvation
2 Liliana the last hope
2 haunted dead
4 cryptbreaker
2 nantuko husk
2 diergraff colossus
3 prized amalgamation
3 voldaren pariah
4 stromkirk condemned
2 distended mindbender
4 asylum visitor
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1 distended mindbender
1 languish
1 ob nixilis
1 virulent plague
4 ultimate price
1 infinite obliteration
4 duress
1 dark petition
1 flaying tendrils
Sideboard is a direct port so I take no responsibility for it. From the video haunted dead is really good. With a madness creature or two(not to mention prized amalgamation) it does a decent coco impersonation sneak six or more points of damage on end step.
I'm trying something a bit dangerous and playing prized amalgamation without any blue sources. You're pretty much always going to ditch it so its
Only a really bad top deck. Don't know how it's going to work but sneaking them into play seems to good to pass up. We will see.
I'm running a split of husk and colossus. Not sure which is better. Colossus is clearly better alone with a full graveyard but husk creates an engine with cryptbreaker and relentless dead.
Do we have to end every statement with "but every deck that can't run coco is garbage so". I mean maybe you guys are right but shutting down every discussion and avenue of deck building doesn't se productive.
a few - Corrupted Grafstone, Crumbling Vestige, Holdout Settlement, Unknown Shores, plus conditional mana like Haven of the Spirit Dragon.
a D&D setting guide for Innistrad is coming tomorrow
i would just link that instead of an announcement the day before, but the interview's alright
Edit: A post-convergence Alara would be neat, too.
I just remember every card getting dismissed with "Dies to Murder" or something similar.
Every set is like this, every card is the worst thing ever unless it's something obviously gross.
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sweet
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Heck wasn't CoCo itself given a mediocre reception at fist?
Plus Terrarium as a one-shot
nooooooooot really. It was SUPER powerful but didn't have as good a home as it does now. People knew that, it was immediately slotted into modern.
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Well, it actually looks like it got a fairly positive reception, but there are always some gems scattered about.
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and let's not get into that sack of shit sylvan advocate
Back in the early days, I was one of those kitchen table groups that they ended up added more words to cards because of.
Was way more fun when firebreathing didn't end at the end of the turn :biggrin: 28/5 Shivan Dragon's
Dude I started playing Magic before I learned algebra, so I thought X spells were literally just the roman numeral for 10. Hadn't seen an Aladdin's Lamp at that point, and when I did I was confused. Also if you thought firebreathing was nuts without the 'until end of turn' template, imagine Carrion Ants!
Bring back Ante, make it tournament legal.