And the XV VR demo managed to out-skeeve all the previous XV marketing, which is quite an impressive feat. This game just keeps sinking lower and lower.
Its kind of funny (and sad) to see Final Fantasy go from one of their more empowered female heroines to an all male party and "YEAAAHH! Look at that ass!"
Sauce, I think you've answered this before, but are you planning to skip this entirely because of Cidney? Not trying to debate or antagonize, I'm just curious. I personally don't mind her design, but the camera sweeps definitely are obvious gazey moments and would make me not want to play those sections in mixed company. My thinking is that she's going to be such a small part of what looks to be a 50-70 hour experience and everything we've seen is just a huge failing of marketing towards guys (broad trip, and all).
But yeah, that VR "stare at her from all angles in 3D!" is just ridiculous. Thank god it's not required.
No, it's a combination of several things. For me Cindey stuff is #3-ish; #2 is a battle system I find to be awkward and not very fun to play, and #1 is an all-male party cast. I had issues with Fran's visual design in FFXII, but I still love the game (and the character even). Having 1/2 of the party being female, and two of those being really strong characters besides, really helped.
Honestly with that whole VR segment, I'm more disappointed in Sony than in XV. I pretty much expect distasteful stuff from the XV team at this point, but I'm annoyed Sony went along with it. And I'm doubly weirded-out by the catcalling that was happening during that bit in the audience at the Sony theater. That was really great to hear in my local theater's full surround.
I'm really sad too that I'm probably going to be intentionally skipping this one. I've never tried the battle system, so can't comment on that, but your other two points are just... eh. It's not bad enough that it's a bro road trip with blatant female objectification, but every time they show something in the game they seem to embrace it. So I mean, if that's the message they want me to have, OK. Got it loud and clear.
I'm a big enough Final Fantasy fan that I'm still pretty stoked for it. I'm getting the middle tier edition that includes the Kingsglaive movie with it. I have taken 2 days off of work to stay at home and Final Fantasy my face off. I'll play the game, watch the movie, and we'll see how I feel about it.
I've played both demos, and I honestly liked Duscae v2.0 better than Platinum. Don't get me wrong, the Platinum Demo was gorgeous and I enjoyed it. But they changed the controls and I found the new controls to be clumsy and non-intuitive. The original demo followed the industry norm for these types of action games, with jump and attack and everything bound to buttons I expected to press. In Platinum they shuffled it all around and I was at constant battle with muscle memory and pushing the wrong buttons.
I'm fine with action RPGs, and I can adapt to control layouts easily enough, but I am not a fan of the hold-to-auto-dodge button and magic being thrown items. The former feels really unsatisfying, and the latter lacks style, it's slow and clunky, and I dislike the limited quantities
The magic system, as far as they've shown, does not appear to be item-based. I think that was a Platinum Demo gimmick thing.
Ah. I saw them throwing those ice bombs in the Titan demo and it kind of locked-in the idea in my head, but that's good to hear that that's not the case.
The game hadn't demonstrated a lot of depth so far, I guess that's one of my biggest issues. Summons just seemed to be there to save you from dying, no magic (or so I thought), auto-dodging, no party member control, etc etc
Breaking: FFXV will have a Wait Mode, which essentially works like Dragon Age in that it lets you stop the action at any time to carefully target enemies, strategize, etc. It works on a bar that clocks down every time you hit it, but it seems to be a rather generous amount of time.
That's a pretty big deal for the folks complaining about the action and wanted to treat it more like a turn-based FF. The footage they showed in the Day 1 event was also significantly better than the piece of shit stuff they showed yesterday.
The constant flip-flopping of enthusiasm to disappointment is really getting annoying.
And the XV VR demo managed to out-skeeve all the previous XV marketing, which is quite an impressive feat. This game just keeps sinking lower and lower.
Its kind of funny (and sad) to see Final Fantasy go from one of their more empowered female heroines to an all male party and "YEAAAHH! Look at that ass!"
I said this on the Twitters, but my biggest fear is that if FFXV succeeds, Final Fantasy will become the JRPG franchise for assholes.
Breaking: FFXV will have a Wait Mode, which essentially works like Dragon Age in that it lets you stop the action at any time to carefully target enemies, strategize, etc. It works on a bar that clocks down every time you hit it, but it seems to be a rather generous amount of time.
That's a pretty big deal for the folks complaining about the action and wanted to treat it more like a turn-based FF. The footage they showed in the Day 1 event was also significantly better than the piece of shit stuff they showed yesterday.
The constant flip-flopping of enthusiasm to disappointment is really getting annoying.
From my perspective the game style is pretty clear at this point. We know the art style, the combat, bits of the story, how they are handling various mechanics, etc. It's all a known quantity. They would have to be putting in some pretty fundamental changes to core systems to really mess with any of that at this point. Something that is very unlikely this late in the cycle.
This is all stuff you know as well, so I don't understand how a shitty live demo and an add-on VR experience would sway you so heavily. None of that was new info, heck going into it you knew far more about the game than what was shown.
I guess I really just don't understand why stuff like that affects you so much.
Just take a step back, and relax. Heck worst case scenario you can always just check out reviews/vids come release time and reform your opinion at the final stage.
You're just going to give yourself an ulcer at this rate.
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Breaking: FFXV will have a Wait Mode, which essentially works like Dragon Age in that it lets you stop the action at any time to carefully target enemies, strategize, etc. It works on a bar that clocks down every time you hit it, but it seems to be a rather generous amount of time.
That's a pretty big deal for the folks complaining about the action and wanted to treat it more like a turn-based FF. The footage they showed in the Day 1 event was also significantly better than the piece of shit stuff they showed yesterday.
The constant flip-flopping of enthusiasm to disappointment is really getting annoying.
From my perspective the game style is pretty clear at this point. We know the art style, the combat, bits of the story, how they are handling various mechanics, etc. It's all a known quantity. They would have to be putting in some pretty fundamental changes to core systems to really mess with any of that at this point. Something that is very unlikely this late in the cycle.
This is all stuff you know as well, so I don't understand how a shitty live demo and an add-on VR experience would sway you so heavily. None of that was new info, heck going into it you knew far more about the game than what was shown.
I guess I really just don't understand why stuff like that affects you so much.
Just take a step back, and relax. Heck worst case scenario you can always just check out reviews/vids come release time and reform your opinion at the final stage.
You're just going to give yourself an ulcer at this rate.
They're constantly changing things about almost every aspect of the game with every new preview: a new UI, new magic systems...the Wait Mode was literally revealed today.
The game doesn't need a complete overhaul to be good in my eyes. It needs to take what it has and do it right.
And I'll appreciate you not to make assumptions about my well-being. I'm not exactly losing sleep over this, I'm just annoyed because I want this to be good in the end.
Breaking: FFXV will have a Wait Mode, which essentially works like Dragon Age in that it lets you stop the action at any time to carefully target enemies, strategize, etc. It works on a bar that clocks down every time you hit it, but it seems to be a rather generous amount of time.
That's a pretty big deal for the folks complaining about the action and wanted to treat it more like a turn-based FF. The footage they showed in the Day 1 event was also significantly better than the piece of shit stuff they showed yesterday.
The constant flip-flopping of enthusiasm to disappointment is really getting annoying.
From my perspective the game style is pretty clear at this point. We know the art style, the combat, bits of the story, how they are handling various mechanics, etc. It's all a known quantity. They would have to be putting in some pretty fundamental changes to core systems to really mess with any of that at this point. Something that is very unlikely this late in the cycle.
This is all stuff you know as well, so I don't understand how a shitty live demo and an add-on VR experience would sway you so heavily. None of that was new info, heck going into it you knew far more about the game than what was shown.
I guess I really just don't understand why stuff like that affects you so much.
Just take a step back, and relax. Heck worst case scenario you can always just check out reviews/vids come release time and reform your opinion at the final stage.
You're just going to give yourself an ulcer at this rate.
They're constantly changing things about almost every aspect of the game with every new preview: a new UI, new magic systems...the Wait Mode was literally revealed today.
The game doesn't need a complete overhaul to be good in my eyes. It needs to take what it has and do it right.
And I'll appreciate you not to make assumptions about my well-being. I'm not exactly losing sleep over this, I'm just annoyed because I want this to be good in the end.
What you are describing is the refinement process. Which is pretty typical in game development.
What is less typical is that the audience gets to see that process so much. Which I appreciate can be jarring if you are unfamiliar with it, but is not so catastrophic as you would seem to suggest.
Your constant assertions about how they "better not screw it up" would suggest you are pretty heavily invested emotionally in this. I'm glad to hear that's not the case.
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Games are often broken messes until suddenly they're done. That we've been given the insight we have on FFXV is really unusual. And since every time we see it, it's actually functioning...well, that's pretty damn awesome. They probably could have stopped adding and refining features some time ago, but they they continue to make it a more fully-featured, better game. These are all indicators that things are going well.
And the XV VR demo managed to out-skeeve all the previous XV marketing, which is quite an impressive feat. This game just keeps sinking lower and lower.
Its kind of funny (and sad) to see Final Fantasy go from one of their more empowered female heroines to an all male party and "YEAAAHH! Look at that ass!"
I said this on the Twitters, but my biggest fear is that if FFXV succeeds, Final Fantasy will become the JRPG franchise for assholes.
I'm clinging to the hope that XV is such an outlier because of its history as the Versus spin-off. Also, literally every Final Fantasy after IX has been very different from each other; performing a full-stop on that and just iterating on XV if it succeeds would be a very bizarre move.
There's still the fear that they might do this because of how directionless they've seemed of late, though.
Then again, considering the franchise's history... there have been what, two post-NES mainline FF games (VIII and XIII, potential argument for V but it's weird) without female characters inappropriately sexed-up? And those two have coincidentally been the most divisive games in the series. So it's not really surprising so much as merely disheartening.
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And the XV VR demo managed to out-skeeve all the previous XV marketing, which is quite an impressive feat. This game just keeps sinking lower and lower.
Its kind of funny (and sad) to see Final Fantasy go from one of their more empowered female heroines to an all male party and "YEAAAHH! Look at that ass!"
I said this on the Twitters, but my biggest fear is that if FFXV succeeds, Final Fantasy will become the JRPG franchise for assholes.
So if you like FF15 you're an asshole?
That seems like a shitty thing to say and kinda hypocritical.
And the XV VR demo managed to out-skeeve all the previous XV marketing, which is quite an impressive feat. This game just keeps sinking lower and lower.
Its kind of funny (and sad) to see Final Fantasy go from one of their more empowered female heroines to an all male party and "YEAAAHH! Look at that ass!"
I said this on the Twitters, but my biggest fear is that if FFXV succeeds, Final Fantasy will become the JRPG franchise for assholes.
So if you like FF15 you're an asshole?
That seems like a shitty thing to say and kinda hypocritical.
I don't think that's what Zython meant, actually. Or at least that's not what I read it to mean.
And the XV VR demo managed to out-skeeve all the previous XV marketing, which is quite an impressive feat. This game just keeps sinking lower and lower.
Its kind of funny (and sad) to see Final Fantasy go from one of their more empowered female heroines to an all male party and "YEAAAHH! Look at that ass!"
I said this on the Twitters, but my biggest fear is that if FFXV succeeds, Final Fantasy will become the JRPG franchise for assholes.
I'm clinging to the hope that XV is such an outlier because of its history as the Versus spin-off. Also, literally every Final Fantasy after IX has been very different from each other; performing a full-stop on that and just iterating on XV if it succeeds would be a very bizarre move.
There's still the fear that they might do this because of how directionless they've seemed of late, though.
Then again, considering the franchise's history... there have been what, two post-NES mainline FF games (VIII and XIII, potential argument for V but it's weird) without female characters inappropriately sexed-up? And those two have coincidentally been the most divisive games in the series. So it's not really surprising so much as merely disheartening.
You continue to cling to Cindy as the prime example of how awful FFXV is going to be.
On the one hand, that is somewhat justified: she's been the one female character they've shown the most, and pretty much all of her appearances have given attention to her attributes in some way or form.
But there's still four other female characters that we know of, including the most major one who is getting a big role in the CG movie, and they're all dressed far more sensibly than Cindy (Dragoon Lady has a little bit of bikini armor going on, but nothing major; she doesn't even have the dumb midriff that female DRGs have in FFXIV). Two of them are confirmed fighters, one is an unknown and the other is some sort of mage who can stare at a huge summon completely undaunted.
So yes, again, the marketing has been pretty terrible for this game for several reasons, but stating that the game is going to be a dudebro party that completely slanders women is a little bit presumptuous at this point.
And the XV VR demo managed to out-skeeve all the previous XV marketing, which is quite an impressive feat. This game just keeps sinking lower and lower.
Its kind of funny (and sad) to see Final Fantasy go from one of their more empowered female heroines to an all male party and "YEAAAHH! Look at that ass!"
I said this on the Twitters, but my biggest fear is that if FFXV succeeds, Final Fantasy will become the JRPG franchise for assholes.
I'm clinging to the hope that XV is such an outlier because of its history as the Versus spin-off. Also, literally every Final Fantasy after IX has been very different from each other; performing a full-stop on that and just iterating on XV if it succeeds would be a very bizarre move.
There's still the fear that they might do this because of how directionless they've seemed of late, though.
Then again, considering the franchise's history... there have been what, two post-NES mainline FF games (VIII and XIII, potential argument for V but it's weird) without female characters inappropriately sexed-up? And those two have coincidentally been the most divisive games in the series. So it's not really surprising so much as merely disheartening.
You continue to cling to Cindy as the prime example of how awful FFXV is going to be.
On the one hand, that is somewhat justified: she's been the one female character they've shown the most, and pretty much all of her appearances have given attention to her attributes in some way or form.
But there's still four other female characters, including the most major one who is getting a big role in the CG movie, and they're all dressed far more sensibly than Cindy (Dragoon Lady has a little bit of bikini armor going on, but nothing major; she doesn't even have the dumb midriff that female DRGs have in FFXIV).
So yes, again, the marketing has been pretty terrible for this game for several reasons, but stating that the game is going to be a dudebro party that completely slanders women is a little bit presumptuous at this point.
Speaking for myself, not The Sauce: It is a dudebro party. They as much as said they needed four guys so that they could have an appropriate bro friendship story. And it does objectify women. Not completely, of course, but it does.
Final Fantasy as a series is generally better than other video games (high bar to clear, that :P ). So this really feels like a downgrade.
But it's not just that this is their decision. It's that they revealed this, heard the feedback from players, and said (regarding dudebros) "we can't do this story with girls," which is kind of gross. And I don't remember if they've said anything regarding Cindy, but she keeps showing up in almost progressively worse situations. Like, yesterday, they had an explicit scene showing how you can look down her cleavage in VR. What the heck, SE!?
Contrast this with a company like Blizzard. Also not perfect! But they got feedback on Overwatch about singular female character models (the classic skinny-model type), but really varied male models. And so they introduced more varied female characters! Good ones! They had that stupid butt-pose with Tracer, and received feedback, and changed it!
I know with a larger AAA title like FF XV it's harder to make big changes like create brand new characters and such. But adding a bit of, you know, clothes to Cindy wouldn't break them. Instead they went for more sex appeal.
And the XV VR demo managed to out-skeeve all the previous XV marketing, which is quite an impressive feat. This game just keeps sinking lower and lower.
Its kind of funny (and sad) to see Final Fantasy go from one of their more empowered female heroines to an all male party and "YEAAAHH! Look at that ass!"
I said this on the Twitters, but my biggest fear is that if FFXV succeeds, Final Fantasy will become the JRPG franchise for assholes.
I'm clinging to the hope that XV is such an outlier because of its history as the Versus spin-off. Also, literally every Final Fantasy after IX has been very different from each other; performing a full-stop on that and just iterating on XV if it succeeds would be a very bizarre move.
There's still the fear that they might do this because of how directionless they've seemed of late, though.
Then again, considering the franchise's history... there have been what, two post-NES mainline FF games (VIII and XIII, potential argument for V but it's weird) without female characters inappropriately sexed-up? And those two have coincidentally been the most divisive games in the series. So it's not really surprising so much as merely disheartening.
You continue to cling to Cindy as the prime example of how awful FFXV is going to be.
On the one hand, that is somewhat justified: she's been the one female character they've shown the most, and pretty much all of her appearances have given attention to her attributes in some way or form.
But there's still four other female characters, including the most major one who is getting a big role in the CG movie, and they're all dressed far more sensibly than Cindy (Dragoon Lady has a little bit of bikini armor going on, but nothing major; she doesn't even have the dumb midriff that female DRGs have in FFXIV).
So yes, again, the marketing has been pretty terrible for this game for several reasons, but stating that the game is going to be a dudebro party that completely slanders women is a little bit presumptuous at this point.
Speaking for myself, not The Sauce: It is a dudebro party. They as much as said they needed four guys so that they could have an appropriate bro friendship story. And it does objectify women. Not completely, of course, but it does.
Final Fantasy as a series is generally better than other video games (high bar to clear, that :P ). So this really feels like a downgrade.
But it's not just that this is their decision. It's that they revealed this, heard the feedback from players, and said (regarding dudebros) "we can't do this story with girls," which is kind of gross. And I don't remember if they've said anything regarding Cindy, but she keeps showing up in almost progressively worse situations. Like, yesterday, they had an explicit scene showing how you can look down her cleavage in VR. What the heck, SE!?
Contrast this with a company like Blizzard. Also not perfect! But they got feedback on Overwatch about singular female character models (the classic skinny-model type), but really varied male models. And so they introduced more varied female characters! Good ones! They had that stupid butt-pose with Tracer, and received feedback, and changed it!
I know with a larger AAA title like FF XV it's harder to make big changes like create brand new characters and such. But adding a bit of, you know, clothes to Cindy wouldn't break them. Instead they went for more sex appeal.
That's my problem.
That's all fine and valid. I'm just saying that's it's jumping the gun to think that all the female characters will be represented that way, or that Noctis and his pals will go through the their journey as misogynistic shits who will hit on every lady they come across or tell them that theirs is a men's only group.
Not saying it couldn't happen, just that nothing shown has suggested such extremes.
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edited June 2016
It might just be Final Fantasy character design fatigue at this point I'm feeling but to me, the party, they just look so bad.
They don't have to look like roided out gruff dudes with shaved heads or anything of that nature but it would be nice to see them try their hand at characters that look a lil more real or relatable in the future.
But than again on the other hand thats just me, I'm 29 now and don't know shit about style. Asking me my opinion on what looks cool now is probably a bad idea, ten years from now it's probably going to be laughable.
And the XV VR demo managed to out-skeeve all the previous XV marketing, which is quite an impressive feat. This game just keeps sinking lower and lower.
Its kind of funny (and sad) to see Final Fantasy go from one of their more empowered female heroines to an all male party and "YEAAAHH! Look at that ass!"
I said this on the Twitters, but my biggest fear is that if FFXV succeeds, Final Fantasy will become the JRPG franchise for assholes.
I'm clinging to the hope that XV is such an outlier because of its history as the Versus spin-off. Also, literally every Final Fantasy after IX has been very different from each other; performing a full-stop on that and just iterating on XV if it succeeds would be a very bizarre move.
There's still the fear that they might do this because of how directionless they've seemed of late, though.
Then again, considering the franchise's history... there have been what, two post-NES mainline FF games (VIII and XIII, potential argument for V but it's weird) without female characters inappropriately sexed-up? And those two have coincidentally been the most divisive games in the series. So it's not really surprising so much as merely disheartening.
You continue to cling to Cindy as the prime example of how awful FFXV is going to be.
On the one hand, that is somewhat justified: she's been the one female character they've shown the most, and pretty much all of her appearances have given attention to her attributes in some way or form.
But there's still four other female characters, including the most major one who is getting a big role in the CG movie, and they're all dressed far more sensibly than Cindy (Dragoon Lady has a little bit of bikini armor going on, but nothing major; she doesn't even have the dumb midriff that female DRGs have in FFXIV).
So yes, again, the marketing has been pretty terrible for this game for several reasons, but stating that the game is going to be a dudebro party that completely slanders women is a little bit presumptuous at this point.
Speaking for myself, not The Sauce: It is a dudebro party. They as much as said they needed four guys so that they could have an appropriate bro friendship story. And it does objectify women. Not completely, of course, but it does.
Final Fantasy as a series is generally better than other video games (high bar to clear, that :P ). So this really feels like a downgrade.
But it's not just that this is their decision. It's that they revealed this, heard the feedback from players, and said (regarding dudebros) "we can't do this story with girls," which is kind of gross. And I don't remember if they've said anything regarding Cindy, but she keeps showing up in almost progressively worse situations. Like, yesterday, they had an explicit scene showing how you can look down her cleavage in VR. What the heck, SE!?
Contrast this with a company like Blizzard. Also not perfect! But they got feedback on Overwatch about singular female character models (the classic skinny-model type), but really varied male models. And so they introduced more varied female characters! Good ones! They had that stupid butt-pose with Tracer, and received feedback, and changed it!
I know with a larger AAA title like FF XV it's harder to make big changes like create brand new characters and such. But adding a bit of, you know, clothes to Cindy wouldn't break them. Instead they went for more sex appeal.
That's my problem.
That's all fine and valid. I'm just saying that's it's jumping the gun to think that all the female chase ethers will be represented that way, or that Noctis and his pals will go through the their journey as misogynistic shits who will hit on every lady they come across or tell them that theirs is a men's only group.
Not saying it couldn't happen, just that nothing shown has suggested such extremes.
Dr. ChaosPost nuclear nuisanceRegistered Userregular
edited June 2016
I'll always remember Exdeath as the one FF final boss that I got fed up with and actually dropped the game and didn't come back to it until a few years later.
The trick is to kill the top part and then the middle part, then alternate hitting the front and back. When you know what to do he's not so bad, but if you don't he's a mess.
I think III's final boss (the dark cloud, not Kefka) was the most obnoxious for me. Had to back out and grind up like 20 levels to deal with that if I remember correctly.
I did get stuck on the stupid four crystals fight in V for a while though. One of those rare situations where AOE is not the correct answer to a multitarget fight.
I still haven't beaten the final boss of FFXII. Tried the boss several times, couldn't get past its annoying alternating physical/magic immune phases.
That will always be a disappointing boss fight for me as once you get passed the physical immunity stage and magical immunity stage you have to go through the immune to everything stage. It was running in a circle casting curagaja over and over again while he hit me. Not exactly a fun fight, especially compared to most other boss fights in the game, which were really good.
I think III's final boss (the dark cloud, not Kefka) was the most obnoxious for me. Had to back out and grind up like 20 levels to deal with that if I remember correctly.
I did get stuck on the stupid four crystals fight in V for a while though. One of those rare situations where AOE is not the correct answer to a multitarget fight.
III is easily the most ridiculous final dungeon ever. All of the more recent ones length and twists, but before there were save points. Doesn't help it's also one of the more difficult bosses right after you just performed a full on gauntlet.
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I'm really sad too that I'm probably going to be intentionally skipping this one. I've never tried the battle system, so can't comment on that, but your other two points are just... eh. It's not bad enough that it's a bro road trip with blatant female objectification, but every time they show something in the game they seem to embrace it. So I mean, if that's the message they want me to have, OK. Got it loud and clear.
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I've played both demos, and I honestly liked Duscae v2.0 better than Platinum. Don't get me wrong, the Platinum Demo was gorgeous and I enjoyed it. But they changed the controls and I found the new controls to be clumsy and non-intuitive. The original demo followed the industry norm for these types of action games, with jump and attack and everything bound to buttons I expected to press. In Platinum they shuffled it all around and I was at constant battle with muscle memory and pushing the wrong buttons.
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Ah. I saw them throwing those ice bombs in the Titan demo and it kind of locked-in the idea in my head, but that's good to hear that that's not the case.
The game hadn't demonstrated a lot of depth so far, I guess that's one of my biggest issues. Summons just seemed to be there to save you from dying, no magic (or so I thought), auto-dodging, no party member control, etc etc
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Why can't I get these characters and setting in the actual game? This looks way better than what they've shown in the game.
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I'd be more excited if I wasn't checked out with all the FFXV cross media at this point.
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That's a pretty big deal for the folks complaining about the action and wanted to treat it more like a turn-based FF. The footage they showed in the Day 1 event was also significantly better than the piece of shit stuff they showed yesterday.
The constant flip-flopping of enthusiasm to disappointment is really getting annoying.
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I said this on the Twitters, but my biggest fear is that if FFXV succeeds, Final Fantasy will become the JRPG franchise for assholes.
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From my perspective the game style is pretty clear at this point. We know the art style, the combat, bits of the story, how they are handling various mechanics, etc. It's all a known quantity. They would have to be putting in some pretty fundamental changes to core systems to really mess with any of that at this point. Something that is very unlikely this late in the cycle.
This is all stuff you know as well, so I don't understand how a shitty live demo and an add-on VR experience would sway you so heavily. None of that was new info, heck going into it you knew far more about the game than what was shown.
I guess I really just don't understand why stuff like that affects you so much.
Just take a step back, and relax. Heck worst case scenario you can always just check out reviews/vids come release time and reform your opinion at the final stage.
You're just going to give yourself an ulcer at this rate.
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They're constantly changing things about almost every aspect of the game with every new preview: a new UI, new magic systems...the Wait Mode was literally revealed today.
The game doesn't need a complete overhaul to be good in my eyes. It needs to take what it has and do it right.
And I'll appreciate you not to make assumptions about my well-being. I'm not exactly losing sleep over this, I'm just annoyed because I want this to be good in the end.
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What you are describing is the refinement process. Which is pretty typical in game development.
What is less typical is that the audience gets to see that process so much. Which I appreciate can be jarring if you are unfamiliar with it, but is not so catastrophic as you would seem to suggest.
Your constant assertions about how they "better not screw it up" would suggest you are pretty heavily invested emotionally in this. I'm glad to hear that's not the case.
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There's still the fear that they might do this because of how directionless they've seemed of late, though.
Then again, considering the franchise's history... there have been what, two post-NES mainline FF games (VIII and XIII, potential argument for V but it's weird) without female characters inappropriately sexed-up? And those two have coincidentally been the most divisive games in the series. So it's not really surprising so much as merely disheartening.
So if you like FF15 you're an asshole?
That seems like a shitty thing to say and kinda hypocritical.
I don't think that's what Zython meant, actually. Or at least that's not what I read it to mean.
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You continue to cling to Cindy as the prime example of how awful FFXV is going to be.
On the one hand, that is somewhat justified: she's been the one female character they've shown the most, and pretty much all of her appearances have given attention to her attributes in some way or form.
But there's still four other female characters that we know of, including the most major one who is getting a big role in the CG movie, and they're all dressed far more sensibly than Cindy (Dragoon Lady has a little bit of bikini armor going on, but nothing major; she doesn't even have the dumb midriff that female DRGs have in FFXIV). Two of them are confirmed fighters, one is an unknown and the other is some sort of mage who can stare at a huge summon completely undaunted.
So yes, again, the marketing has been pretty terrible for this game for several reasons, but stating that the game is going to be a dudebro party that completely slanders women is a little bit presumptuous at this point.
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Speaking for myself, not The Sauce: It is a dudebro party. They as much as said they needed four guys so that they could have an appropriate bro friendship story. And it does objectify women. Not completely, of course, but it does.
Final Fantasy as a series is generally better than other video games (high bar to clear, that :P ). So this really feels like a downgrade.
But it's not just that this is their decision. It's that they revealed this, heard the feedback from players, and said (regarding dudebros) "we can't do this story with girls," which is kind of gross. And I don't remember if they've said anything regarding Cindy, but she keeps showing up in almost progressively worse situations. Like, yesterday, they had an explicit scene showing how you can look down her cleavage in VR. What the heck, SE!?
Contrast this with a company like Blizzard. Also not perfect! But they got feedback on Overwatch about singular female character models (the classic skinny-model type), but really varied male models. And so they introduced more varied female characters! Good ones! They had that stupid butt-pose with Tracer, and received feedback, and changed it!
I know with a larger AAA title like FF XV it's harder to make big changes like create brand new characters and such. But adding a bit of, you know, clothes to Cindy wouldn't break them. Instead they went for more sex appeal.
That's my problem.
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That's all fine and valid. I'm just saying that's it's jumping the gun to think that all the female characters will be represented that way, or that Noctis and his pals will go through the their journey as misogynistic shits who will hit on every lady they come across or tell them that theirs is a men's only group.
Not saying it couldn't happen, just that nothing shown has suggested such extremes.
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They don't have to look like roided out gruff dudes with shaved heads or anything of that nature but it would be nice to see them try their hand at characters that look a lil more real or relatable in the future.
But than again on the other hand thats just me, I'm 29 now and don't know shit about style. Asking me my opinion on what looks cool now is probably a bad idea, ten years from now it's probably going to be laughable.
Had anyone here said that?
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Don't even remember if it was that hard.
(probably wasn't)
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I did get stuck on the stupid four crystals fight in V for a while though. One of those rare situations where AOE is not the correct answer to a multitarget fight.
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That will always be a disappointing boss fight for me as once you get passed the physical immunity stage and magical immunity stage you have to go through the immune to everything stage. It was running in a circle casting curagaja over and over again while he hit me. Not exactly a fun fight, especially compared to most other boss fights in the game, which were really good.
Just use the Automatically Kill Final Boss gambit.
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III is easily the most ridiculous final dungeon ever. All of the more recent ones length and twists, but before there were save points. Doesn't help it's also one of the more difficult bosses right after you just performed a full on gauntlet.
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Yet another reason I hope FFXII HD has cheats similar to the other recent rereleases.