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Atlas in Chains

Cabalist Tome into whatever the fuck you need on any given turn. I hope Ben Brode turns down a random alley, talks to a random prostitute, a random cop sees it, and he gets taken to a random prison. Bonus points if the judge sentences him randomly and Trolden plays epic sax over the video of his perp walk. I hope the prison menu randomly changes between all the food he hates and his cellmate randomly picks days to make him laugh for 24 hours straight, and if he fails, he gets flicked in a random testicle. I hate this man, a pox and a curse upon him, may 2 of his teeth fall out at random and hair grow in their place.

MMMig

If C'thun kills an enemy Sylvanas mid-battlecry, does the C'thun change sides mid cast and start hurting you?


I wouldn't think so since I'd expect the battlecry to finish resolving first but I've learned not to take things logically in this game.

MNC Dover

SeGaTai wrote: »

djFindus wrote: »

SeGaTai wrote: »

RANK 5 GET - tempo warrior brothers can get you there

Now to play nothing but Yogg mage and enjoy the chaos

Gratz! Wich list are you running? Have seen a few different ones, just curious

hearthpwn.com/decks/521851-tempo-midrange-warrior-rank-3-legend-multiple-top

This list but Kokron elite for Harrison Jones - I only saw 2 other warriors at rank 5, one pirate, one dragon. Kokron definitely got me within lethal a few games, but if you see a lot of shamans it makes sense - most the shamans I faced were midrange-bloodlust or for aggro I was able to get enough armor on armorsmith - WW plays

I was trying this list out but don't have Varian or Malkorok. Looking in the comments, the suggested changes were Arch-Thief and Sylvannas. What do you think, should I bother without those two?

azith28

DasUberEdward wrote: »

azith28 wrote: »

DasUberEdward wrote: »

I'm thinking about crafting Xaril Poison Mind or Malygos

the question is miracle rogue or maly rogue. . .

Xaril is great.

Buuuut if I play journey below I have a pretty good chance at picking him up.

The more Xaril's the better.

Yilias

I believe if Yogg kills Sylv he switches sides after the spell that kills her. Idk if C'Thun does though.

azith28

probably not C'thun since all the existing creatures stay at zero until the effect is done, while Yogg is basically one effect after the other and all other results occur after each effect.

Shen

ToyD wrote: »

Well made it to rank 20 while leveling my guys. Stuff is hard now. These basic decks don't hold a candle to people that have more card options available. Definitely learning to redo my decks with cards that have follow on effects.

Yeah, the basic sets are pretty bad but there are actually a lot of pretty decent basic cards, for Mages and priests in particular.

MMMig

Aye, that's kinda key to know in a Cthun deck because sometimes you have guaranteed lethal as long as he doesn't switch sides mid-blast.

Will have to test it later with someone if no one knows.

kime

MMMig wrote: »

If C'thun kills an enemy Sylvanas mid-battlecry, does the C'thun change sides mid cast and start hurting you?


I wouldn't think so since I'd expect the battlecry to finish resolving first but I've learned not to take things logically in this game.

You are correct, this is how it works

azith28

I'm almost positive it does not switch. enemies dont 'die' until its shot all its wad. The only thing that interrupts its effect is something like hogger, which gives it more targets to hit with subsequent hits, but hogger doesnt dissapear at zero health until all the shots have fired.

I know Yogg does however. C'Thun's battlecry is one effect, Yoggs is multiple effects.

I needed a gnome to post.

MMMig wrote: »

Wouldn't Yogg Rogue be even more chaotic?


From what I can tell they can play a considerable higher number of spells than mage?
At least, Miracle Rogue sure can, and has way better cycling to actually draw Yogg and is actually not a bad deck right now.

miracle rogue adding yogg would make it a bad deck tho

Idx86

MMMig wrote: »

If C'thun kills an enemy Sylvanas mid-battlecry, does the C'thun change sides mid cast and start hurting you?


I wouldn't think so since I'd expect the battlecry to finish resolving first but I've learned not to take things logically in this game.

I used a Sylvannas to steal a C'Thun after he killed her with his battlecry. The battlecry resolved fully and then he switched sides.

GoodKingJayIII

@ToyD if you are looking for some crafted decks for new players there are a bunch of lists out there.

Here's one: http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/352542-trumps-basic-mage-level-10 . It's six months old but it would still be pretty effective, I think.

As you get more cards you can start to sub in straight up improvements (e.g., replacing raptor with Cult Sorcerer).

Idx86

MNC Dover wrote: »

SeGaTai wrote: »

djFindus wrote: »

SeGaTai wrote: »

RANK 5 GET - tempo warrior brothers can get you there

Now to play nothing but Yogg mage and enjoy the chaos

Gratz! Wich list are you running? Have seen a few different ones, just curious

hearthpwn.com/decks/521851-tempo-midrange-warrior-rank-3-legend-multiple-top

This list but Kokron elite for Harrison Jones - I only saw 2 other warriors at rank 5, one pirate, one dragon. Kokron definitely got me within lethal a few games, but if you see a lot of shamans it makes sense - most the shamans I faced were midrange-bloodlust or for aggro I was able to get enough armor on armorsmith - WW plays

I was trying this list out but don't have Varian or Malkorok. Looking in the comments, the suggested changes were Arch-Thief and Sylvannas. What do you think, should I bother without those two?

Varian I can see living without and using Rafaam in his place. I have no idea how you sub out Malkorok.

MNC Dover

Idx86 wrote: »

MNC Dover wrote: »

SeGaTai wrote: »

djFindus wrote: »

SeGaTai wrote: »

RANK 5 GET - tempo warrior brothers can get you there

Now to play nothing but Yogg mage and enjoy the chaos

Gratz! Wich list are you running? Have seen a few different ones, just curious

hearthpwn.com/decks/521851-tempo-midrange-warrior-rank-3-legend-multiple-top

This list but Kokron elite for Harrison Jones - I only saw 2 other warriors at rank 5, one pirate, one dragon. Kokron definitely got me within lethal a few games, but if you see a lot of shamans it makes sense - most the shamans I faced were midrange-bloodlust or for aggro I was able to get enough armor on armorsmith - WW plays

I was trying this list out but don't have Varian or Malkorok. Looking in the comments, the suggested changes were Arch-Thief and Sylvannas. What do you think, should I bother without those two?

Varian I can see living without and using Rafaam in his place. I have no idea how you sub out Malkorok.

Poorly apparently. 1-4 with the changes I made. Well, I just got a 5 win Shaman deck so I'll guess I'll switch to aggro for a while.

Kolosus

Malkorok is a really good Tempo play. I can't think of another good card to put in for a Tempo Warrior.

I needed a gnome to post.

yogg only swaps with sylvanas because the hearthstone stack does not allow his spells to resolve simultaneously

it's the only Battlecry that continues to add to the stack

Beasteh

Just beat a priest as N'zoth paladin by... not playing a single minion worth entombing (Sylvanas, Cairne, Tirion etc) all game and just flooding him with Justicar hero power.

That's what you get for being greedy, son

Roz

so many warriors at ranks 1 and 2. And shaman. Warriors and shaman as far as the eye can see.

Probably time to start swapping in some swamp oozes. If you break the warriors weapon so he can't kill trogg, the games basically just over.

Muffinatron

So this is probably a stupid idea, but if you run Sylvanas instead of Malkorok in Tempo Warrior, would it be an idea to switch in N'Zoth instead of Varian?

I mean you're running both Cairne and Sylvanas, if you get either of those on the battlecry that's pretty good value.

SeGaTai

MNC Dover wrote: »

SeGaTai wrote: »

djFindus wrote: »

SeGaTai wrote: »

RANK 5 GET - tempo warrior brothers can get you there

Now to play nothing but Yogg mage and enjoy the chaos

Gratz! Wich list are you running? Have seen a few different ones, just curious

hearthpwn.com/decks/521851-tempo-midrange-warrior-rank-3-legend-multiple-top

This list but Kokron elite for Harrison Jones - I only saw 2 other warriors at rank 5, one pirate, one dragon. Kokron definitely got me within lethal a few games, but if you see a lot of shamans it makes sense - most the shamans I faced were midrange-bloodlust or for aggro I was able to get enough armor on armorsmith - WW plays

I was trying this list out but don't have Varian or Malkorok. Looking in the comments, the suggested changes were Arch-Thief and Sylvannas. What do you think, should I bother without those two?

There both strong value, they'll will both just be a little bit more control oriented, but against a full control deck you still won't be able to keep up. I'll draw through my whole deck against a control deck and can hopefully pull off lethal typically. Ideally varian and malkorok do something the turn they are played, malkorok gives you a weapon which can be a huge burst and your looking for varian to pull kokron elite, rags, or grommash

Beasteh

Muffinatron wrote: »

So this is probably a stupid idea, but if you run Sylvanas instead of Malkorok in Tempo Warrior, would it be an idea to switch in N'Zoth instead of Varian?

I mean you're running both Cairne and Sylvanas, if you get either of those on the battlecry that's pretty good value.

Makes you a lot weaker to priest since they will just emote 'thanks' and entomb

Redcoat-13

Beasteh wrote: »

Just beat a priest as N'zoth paladin by... not playing a single minion worth entombing (Sylvanas, Cairne, Tirion etc) all game and just flooding him with Justicar hero power.

That's what you get for being greedy, son

I don't think I've ever beaten Paladin as a Priest (dragon or control) after he has put down Justicar. I'm pretty sure once that hero power starts pumping out two 1/1's per turn (provided the game state is stable), the Priest has lost.

Also, as a Priest and you're up against N'zoth Paladin, you have to save your entombs for Tirion or Cairne; it's not really a question of being greedy, it's a question of whether you want to lose.

ToyD

@GoodKingJayIII thanks! Probably the biggest hurdle I've been dealing with in my research and learning is that the old gods change to standard decks has really altered a lot of stuff apparently. I happened to come in right when it's all in flux and a lot of the learning and coaching tutorials were done with things that I can't get or were nerfed or something. I appreciate the link! Finding resources is part of the challenge!

GoodKingJayIII

I just played a tempo mage running Servant of Yogg-Saron... and it was really good for him? He dropped his first and it cast Solemn Vigil, and drew into the second who cast Hammer of Wrath, breaking the divine shield on one of my guys. It didn't win him the game, but he was already ahead so it definitely helped him clinch it.

When I run that card it just kills itself.

Steel Angel

ToyD wrote: »

Well made it to rank 20 while leveling my guys. Stuff is hard now. These basic decks don't hold a candle to people that have more card options available. Definitely learning to redo my decks with cards that have follow on effects.

Some classes are much more reliant on cards you get from packs than others. It's notoriously hard to make a competent Rogue, Druid, Warrior, or Shaman deck from basic and a few classic cards.

Grobian

MNC Dover wrote: »

Idx86 wrote: »

MNC Dover wrote: »

SeGaTai wrote: »

djFindus wrote: »

SeGaTai wrote: »

RANK 5 GET - tempo warrior brothers can get you there

Now to play nothing but Yogg mage and enjoy the chaos

Gratz! Wich list are you running? Have seen a few different ones, just curious

hearthpwn.com/decks/521851-tempo-midrange-warrior-rank-3-legend-multiple-top

This list but Kokron elite for Harrison Jones - I only saw 2 other warriors at rank 5, one pirate, one dragon. Kokron definitely got me within lethal a few games, but if you see a lot of shamans it makes sense - most the shamans I faced were midrange-bloodlust or for aggro I was able to get enough armor on armorsmith - WW plays

I was trying this list out but don't have Varian or Malkorok. Looking in the comments, the suggested changes were Arch-Thief and Sylvannas. What do you think, should I bother without those two?

Varian I can see living without and using Rafaam in his place. I have no idea how you sub out Malkorok.

Poorly apparently. 1-4 with the changes I made. Well, I just got a 5 win Shaman deck so I'll guess I'll switch to aggro for a while.

I disagree hard btw. Malkorok can easily be replaced by Sylv, varian is essentially irreplaceable. Sjow only got away with running rafaam because he was playing in the top of the legend ladder which is a very slow meta compared to below legend.

Betsuni

Brawl is pick 2 cards and Hearthstone fills your deck with them.

I ran Webspinner and Bear Trap. Thinking of changing the trap to Explosive or maybe Kill Command.

djFindus

Grobian wrote: »

MNC Dover wrote: »

Idx86 wrote: »

MNC Dover wrote: »

SeGaTai wrote: »

djFindus wrote: »

SeGaTai wrote: »

RANK 5 GET - tempo warrior brothers can get you there

Now to play nothing but Yogg mage and enjoy the chaos

Gratz! Wich list are you running? Have seen a few different ones, just curious

hearthpwn.com/decks/521851-tempo-midrange-warrior-rank-3-legend-multiple-top

This list but Kokron elite for Harrison Jones - I only saw 2 other warriors at rank 5, one pirate, one dragon. Kokron definitely got me within lethal a few games, but if you see a lot of shamans it makes sense - most the shamans I faced were midrange-bloodlust or for aggro I was able to get enough armor on armorsmith - WW plays

I was trying this list out but don't have Varian or Malkorok. Looking in the comments, the suggested changes were Arch-Thief and Sylvannas. What do you think, should I bother without those two?

Varian I can see living without and using Rafaam in his place. I have no idea how you sub out Malkorok.

Poorly apparently. 1-4 with the changes I made. Well, I just got a 5 win Shaman deck so I'll guess I'll switch to aggro for a while.

I disagree hard btw. Malkorok can easily be replaced by Sylv, varian is essentially irreplaceable. Sjow only got away with running rafaam because he was playing in the top of the legend ladder which is a very slow meta compared to below legend.

I swapped in Ysera instead of Varian. Has done OK but Im still hoovering around 10 so

KalTorak

Betsuni wrote: »

Brawl is pick 2 cards and Hearthstone fills your deck with them.

I ran Webspinner and Bear Trap. Thinking of changing the trap to Explosive or maybe Kill Command.

Pretty interesting Brawl. My first try: Flamewaker/Cabalist's Tome

I needed a gnome to post.

GoodKingJayIII wrote: »

I just played a tempo mage running Servant of Yogg-Saron... and it was really good for him? He dropped his first and it cast Solemn Vigil, and drew into the second who cast Hammer of Wrath, breaking the divine shield on one of my guys. It didn't win him the game, but he was already ahead so it definitely helped him clinch it.

When I run that card it just kills itself.

it's a very high variance card, kind of higher even than yogg

Dibby

My N'Zoth Rogue got a Servant of Yogg once from a Huckster.

It cast Bolster.

Thanks....? I guess? Could've been worse????

GoodKingJayIII

Tempo warrior. Don't have Malkorok, don't want to craft him. What's a decent sub?

Geddon? Gorehowl?

kime

KalTorak wrote: »

Betsuni wrote: »

Brawl is pick 2 cards and Hearthstone fills your deck with them.

I ran Webspinner and Bear Trap. Thinking of changing the trap to Explosive or maybe Kill Command.

Pretty interesting Brawl. My first try: Flamewaker/Cabalist's Tome

pfft, easy mode.

True players pick Deathwing and Deathwing.

MNC Dover

Muffinatron wrote: »

So this is probably a stupid idea, but if you run Sylvanas instead of Malkorok in Tempo Warrior, would it be an idea to switch in N'Zoth instead of Varian?

I mean you're running both Cairne and Sylvanas, if you get either of those on the battlecry that's pretty good value.

If I'm gonna run Cairne and Sylvannas, I may as well play N'Zoth Paladin.

SeGaTai wrote: »

MNC Dover wrote: »

SeGaTai wrote: »

djFindus wrote: »

SeGaTai wrote: »

RANK 5 GET - tempo warrior brothers can get you there

Now to play nothing but Yogg mage and enjoy the chaos

Gratz! Wich list are you running? Have seen a few different ones, just curious

hearthpwn.com/decks/521851-tempo-midrange-warrior-rank-3-legend-multiple-top

This list but Kokron elite for Harrison Jones - I only saw 2 other warriors at rank 5, one pirate, one dragon. Kokron definitely got me within lethal a few games, but if you see a lot of shamans it makes sense - most the shamans I faced were midrange-bloodlust or for aggro I was able to get enough armor on armorsmith - WW plays

I was trying this list out but don't have Varian or Malkorok. Looking in the comments, the suggested changes were Arch-Thief and Sylvannas. What do you think, should I bother without those two?

There both strong value, they'll will both just be a little bit more control oriented, but against a full control deck you still won't be able to keep up. I'll draw through my whole deck against a control deck and can hopefully pull off lethal typically. Ideally varian and malkorok do something the turn they are played, malkorok gives you a weapon which can be a huge burst and your looking for varian to pull kokron elite, rags, or grommash

I figured as much. Thanks for the response. I'll probably shelf Tempo Warrior until I open either Legendary (which will probably be never).

Beasteh

GoodKingJayIII wrote: »

Tempo warrior. Don't have Malkorok, don't want to craft him. What's a decent sub?

Geddon? Gorehowl?

Gorehowl is probably the best vs control, Geddon vs aggro

JackdawGin

So Fiery War Axe and Heroic Strike are pretty good in this brawl.

Got nothing on Living Roots + Power of the Wild Though

Ilpala

Damn someone on reddit mentioned it was wild and suggested Innervate/Loatheb. That seems busted.

Beasteh

This is how real men tavern brawl

Kolosus

I did Sinister Strike + Edwin. It worked well enough to get my pack. And of course my pack had Arcane Golem in it one day after I don't get full dust.