I'm always curious how they manage relationships in this scenario, since assumedly his wife will stay with WWE. I don't quite understand how their downtime per week works out with the recordings and live events.
I don't blame Stardust, they never gave anything he did a chance, give him a stable with the Ascension, use them as jobbers, put him in IC matches, don't let him win. He will probably gain more fame on the international circuit, but its a shame that Dusty's son has to leave WWE to get attention.
I'm glad WWE let him be a comic book villain at the end, fuck the WON readers who voted it worst gimmick last year. I'm not saying it was great or anything and it did get too cute for its own good at times but it didn't deserve that.
I'm always curious how they manage relationships in this scenario, since assumedly his wife will stay with WWE. I don't quite understand how their downtime per week works out with the recordings and live events.
I don't blame Stardust, they never gave anything he did a chance, give him a stable with the Ascension, use them as jobbers, put him in IC matches, don't let him win. He will probably gain more fame on the international circuit, but its a shame that Dusty's son has to leave WWE to get attention.
They gave Cody plenty of good opportunities. The issue was they didn't last.
I'm always curious how they manage relationships in this scenario, since assumedly his wife will stay with WWE. I don't quite understand how their downtime per week works out with the recordings and live events.
I don't blame Stardust, they never gave anything he did a chance, give him a stable with the Ascension, use them as jobbers, put him in IC matches, don't let him win. He will probably gain more fame on the international circuit, but its a shame that Dusty's son has to leave WWE to get attention.
They gave Cody plenty of good opportunities. The issue was they didn't last.
I think your definition of "plenty" is different to pretty much every other human being.
Ganderson beat the Usos
Corbin beats Ziggler
Ambrose beats Jericho
Rusev crush Kalisto
Cesaro is your IC champ
New Day retain the tag title
Natalya is your Women's champ
AJ Styles befomes WHC thanks to interference but suddenly The Shield theme hits and Rollins and Ambrose walk out BECAUSE THE SHIELD IS BACK, MAGGLE
I'm always curious how they manage relationships in this scenario, since assumedly his wife will stay with WWE. I don't quite understand how their downtime per week works out with the recordings and live events.
I don't blame Stardust, they never gave anything he did a chance, give him a stable with the Ascension, use them as jobbers, put him in IC matches, don't let him win. He will probably gain more fame on the international circuit, but its a shame that Dusty's son has to leave WWE to get attention.
They gave Cody plenty of good opportunities. The issue was they didn't last.
I think your definition of "plenty" is different to pretty much every other human being.
"Plenty" is overstating it but he got more opportunities than a lot of other talents.
I'm always curious how they manage relationships in this scenario, since assumedly his wife will stay with WWE. I don't quite understand how their downtime per week works out with the recordings and live events.
I don't blame Stardust, they never gave anything he did a chance, give him a stable with the Ascension, use them as jobbers, put him in IC matches, don't let him win. He will probably gain more fame on the international circuit, but its a shame that Dusty's son has to leave WWE to get attention.
They gave Cody plenty of good opportunities. The issue was they didn't last.
I think your definition of "plenty" is different to pretty much every other human being.
"Plenty" is overstating it but he got more opportunities than a lot of other talents.
Were any of them good opportunities though? Like there's no denying Cody has made the best of everything they've given him since Legacy ended, but I would hardly call anything they've done with him on the main roster a good opportunity for him to move up the card.
Everyone is different. Everyone is special.
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Prediction question:
Who the heck are The Vaudevillians?
Of course a team that doesn't exist, let alone have a match at Extreme Rules, isn't going to win!
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I'm always curious how they manage relationships in this scenario, since assumedly his wife will stay with WWE. I don't quite understand how their downtime per week works out with the recordings and live events.
I don't blame Stardust, they never gave anything he did a chance, give him a stable with the Ascension, use them as jobbers, put him in IC matches, don't let him win. He will probably gain more fame on the international circuit, but its a shame that Dusty's son has to leave WWE to get attention.
They gave Cody plenty of good opportunities. The issue was they didn't last.
I think your definition of "plenty" is different to pretty much every other human being.
"Plenty" is overstating it but he got more opportunities than a lot of other talents.
Were any of them good opportunities though?
Yeah. He had a WrestleMania program with Rey Mysterio that included beating him at WrestleMania, he has the ninth longest IC title reign in WWE history (and the title still holds the white design he championed), he had the most eliminations at the 2012 Royal Rumble, was in the following Elimination Chamber match for the championship and generally seemed right on the cusp of the World title picture. Though that was his high point in the company so far, then he got stuck in the IC shuffle before going to the Rhodes Scholars and then Stardust. So not a lot lately and it's not surprising that he'd want to do something else, but for a while he was right there.
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The local news did a video on the local wrestling group I've been a part of for years. It's at the same location that Geek trains at now, but not the same company. They're a ridiculous group of guys that put on a great show every two weeks(or so). I'm fairly certain we'll be having a show during PAX weekend, so if any of you are in town you should come check it out. Hell, the next show is next Fri, 830pm at Evolv Fitness in Seattle. Just make sure to show up early(like, 8pm at least), as space is pretty limited.
Can we get the chemicals in. 'Cause anything's better than this.
Tana has been working hurt for a pretty long time now, this rest has been coming.
It's worth noting that he did a stretcher job for Omega, which is pretty big wrt Omega's heavyweight push.
In other news Joey Ryan is the 1,073rd DDT Iron Man Heavy Metal champion. Clearly his reign will be long and illustrious as befits the heritage of such a prestigious title. That or he's already dropped the belt to a leaf that fell on him while he was lying in a park and a ref happened to be passing to count the pin.
Everyone is different. Everyone is special.
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I like how normally that would sound like sarcasm and hyperbole but in DDT there literally has been 1,073 Iron Man Heavy Metal champions and Joey Ryan literally could be beaten by a leaf. One time that title was won by a table, which was pinned by a bowl which then lost the title to the rice in the bowl which lost to curry being poured onto and pinning the rice and finally it was topped with a pork cutlet. Yuusuke Inokuma then ate the previous three champions.
Talked to Moose tonight at an indy show, he didn't confirm where he was going after his ROH deal is done next month but he did say, spoilers just in case
his last ROH match will be at the BitW PPV late June and he heavily hinted at signing with WWE.
So a buddy of mine doesn't watch wrestling at all and never has but me and the rest of his social circle are into it so he's trying.
And he's asking me stuff and one of the things that came up was the concept of a finisher.
I didn't do a fantastic job of explaining it because the truth is... I think finishers are stupid?
Like, as a concept.
I think it's cool that wrestlers have signature moves and big spots they pull of that are kinda unique to them. And when these moves are presented as particularly devastating, it follows that they win matches with them.
But like, from a match pacing perspective I've always felt it actually hurts the show. It means that no matter how awesome a move is, if it's not their designated finisher (or one of their finishers, some wrestlers have a couple) that pin is always going to be a 2 count, that submission hold is always going to be broken out of.
John Cena doesn't win with the STF. Sami Zayn doesn't win with the Blue Thunder Bomb. Randy Orton never wins with that "vintage Orton" rope DDT thing. Even though the crowd pops for these moves, they don't win matches.
No, matches only end in one of these ways:
1. The winner hits (one of) their finishers
2. A roll-up/schoolboy/small package, either clean and presented as shocking or as a part of...
3. Some shenanigans, like interference, low blows, chairshots, etc.
4. DQ
5. Countout, which almost never happens in modern wrestling.
It's not just that Sami Zayn doesn't win with the Blue Thunder Bomb, it's that the only "out of nowhere" pinfall victory that wrestling puts out is the roll-up. Sami Zayn will never win just like, a wicked DDT that he does, even though it makes perfect sense he should sometimes.
I'm not saying guys should just win in 45 seconds with a random brainbuster or powerslam. Of course that's going to be a 2 count, match pacing is a real thing.
But when the match builds towards its natural climax, if it is going to be a clean finish then it has to be someone hitting their finisher. After a 25 minute burner Finn Balor isn't going to win with a Pele Kick, even though he goes for the pin on it every time. Nope, it's going to be a Coup de Grace or not at all.
It makes other near-falls pointless, and it also means the only way to get the crowd to really get into a near-falls and really give a shit is have someone kick out/break free/rope break a finisher, which for some actually kinda diminishes the move and how seriously they take it.
Which brings me to the other problem of the fact that a lot of finishers are fucking stupid and awful. Some of them are poorly designed in that they should, by Wrestling Logic, hurt the person doing the move as much if not more than the person receiving it (Baron Corbin's End of Days, where he basically Rock Bottoms himself). Some are good moves, but the guy doing them makes the move look kinda tame and not really as devastating as it is made out to be just because it's their finisher (Dean Ambrose's Dirty Deeds, which like all of Dean's offence looks gentle and hesitant). Some are just regular-ass moves for everyone else, but because this guy is doing it, now it is S scaling and fucks dudes up (basically anyone who uses an unmodified DDT or superkick as their finisher, especially if they give it a name). The worst are finishers that are so elementary in nature that there's no good reason it should be treated like a finisher at all (Wade Barrett's Bullhammer, which is just him punching a dude in the head).
The whole thing is this dumb wrestling thing that some fans expect and as a result promoters cater to and reinforce.
In other news Joey Ryan is the 1,073rd DDT Iron Man Heavy Metal champion. Clearly his reign will be long and illustrious as befits the heritage of such a prestigious title. That or he's already dropped the belt to a leaf that fell on him while he was lying in a park and a ref happened to be passing to count the pin.
I'm picturing some sort of gimmick where he holds the belt for an unusually long amount of time without any random title changes. Because he's always on top.
Either that or they break for a weekend or something and when they come back they're on reign 1,273. And he has to explain why the ref was there the entire time.
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I'm having my brother who doesn't watch wrestling pick the answers this season. Seems he's off to a great start.
Although this week might be puppy picks.
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If true (never trust a dirtsheet) it'd be unsurprising, they've done nothing with him for months.
I think it's true.
He's saying it on his personal Twitter account, and it doesn't seem like a hack.
A shame if he does leave, I'd have liked to see them try him in a WWE WHT contender slot.
they are close friends I think
I don't blame Stardust, they never gave anything he did a chance, give him a stable with the Ascension, use them as jobbers, put him in IC matches, don't let him win. He will probably gain more fame on the international circuit, but its a shame that Dusty's son has to leave WWE to get attention.
They gave Cody plenty of good opportunities. The issue was they didn't last.
I think your definition of "plenty" is different to pretty much every other human being.
Corbin beats Ziggler
Ambrose beats Jericho
Rusev crush Kalisto
Cesaro is your IC champ
New Day retain the tag title
Natalya is your Women's champ
AJ Styles befomes WHC thanks to interference but suddenly The Shield theme hits and Rollins and Ambrose walk out BECAUSE THE SHIELD IS BACK, MAGGLE
"Plenty" is overstating it but he got more opportunities than a lot of other talents.
He should go to New Japan and team with Cody Hall. Just because it'd be awesome to have two second generation wrestlers named Cody on the same team.
Were any of them good opportunities though? Like there's no denying Cody has made the best of everything they've given him since Legacy ended, but I would hardly call anything they've done with him on the main roster a good opportunity for him to move up the card.
Who the heck are The Vaudevillians?
Of course a team that doesn't exist, let alone have a match at Extreme Rules, isn't going to win!
Yeah. He had a WrestleMania program with Rey Mysterio that included beating him at WrestleMania, he has the ninth longest IC title reign in WWE history (and the title still holds the white design he championed), he had the most eliminations at the 2012 Royal Rumble, was in the following Elimination Chamber match for the championship and generally seemed right on the cusp of the World title picture. Though that was his high point in the company so far, then he got stuck in the IC shuffle before going to the Rhodes Scholars and then Stardust. So not a lot lately and it's not surprising that he'd want to do something else, but for a while he was right there.
The local news did a video on the local wrestling group I've been a part of for years. It's at the same location that Geek trains at now, but not the same company. They're a ridiculous group of guys that put on a great show every two weeks(or so). I'm fairly certain we'll be having a show during PAX weekend, so if any of you are in town you should come check it out. Hell, the next show is next Fri, 830pm at Evolv Fitness in Seattle. Just make sure to show up early(like, 8pm at least), as space is pretty limited.
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Was he injured at a recent show or just slowly over the past several years?
It's worth noting that he did a stretcher job for Omega, which is pretty big wrt Omega's heavyweight push.
In other news Joey Ryan is the 1,073rd DDT Iron Man Heavy Metal champion. Clearly his reign will be long and illustrious as befits the heritage of such a prestigious title. That or he's already dropped the belt to a leaf that fell on him while he was lying in a park and a ref happened to be passing to count the pin.
And he's asking me stuff and one of the things that came up was the concept of a finisher.
I didn't do a fantastic job of explaining it because the truth is... I think finishers are stupid?
Like, as a concept.
I think it's cool that wrestlers have signature moves and big spots they pull of that are kinda unique to them. And when these moves are presented as particularly devastating, it follows that they win matches with them.
But like, from a match pacing perspective I've always felt it actually hurts the show. It means that no matter how awesome a move is, if it's not their designated finisher (or one of their finishers, some wrestlers have a couple) that pin is always going to be a 2 count, that submission hold is always going to be broken out of.
John Cena doesn't win with the STF. Sami Zayn doesn't win with the Blue Thunder Bomb. Randy Orton never wins with that "vintage Orton" rope DDT thing. Even though the crowd pops for these moves, they don't win matches.
No, matches only end in one of these ways:
1. The winner hits (one of) their finishers
2. A roll-up/schoolboy/small package, either clean and presented as shocking or as a part of...
3. Some shenanigans, like interference, low blows, chairshots, etc.
4. DQ
5. Countout, which almost never happens in modern wrestling.
It's not just that Sami Zayn doesn't win with the Blue Thunder Bomb, it's that the only "out of nowhere" pinfall victory that wrestling puts out is the roll-up. Sami Zayn will never win just like, a wicked DDT that he does, even though it makes perfect sense he should sometimes.
I'm not saying guys should just win in 45 seconds with a random brainbuster or powerslam. Of course that's going to be a 2 count, match pacing is a real thing.
But when the match builds towards its natural climax, if it is going to be a clean finish then it has to be someone hitting their finisher. After a 25 minute burner Finn Balor isn't going to win with a Pele Kick, even though he goes for the pin on it every time. Nope, it's going to be a Coup de Grace or not at all.
It makes other near-falls pointless, and it also means the only way to get the crowd to really get into a near-falls and really give a shit is have someone kick out/break free/rope break a finisher, which for some actually kinda diminishes the move and how seriously they take it.
Which brings me to the other problem of the fact that a lot of finishers are fucking stupid and awful. Some of them are poorly designed in that they should, by Wrestling Logic, hurt the person doing the move as much if not more than the person receiving it (Baron Corbin's End of Days, where he basically Rock Bottoms himself). Some are good moves, but the guy doing them makes the move look kinda tame and not really as devastating as it is made out to be just because it's their finisher (Dean Ambrose's Dirty Deeds, which like all of Dean's offence looks gentle and hesitant). Some are just regular-ass moves for everyone else, but because this guy is doing it, now it is S scaling and fucks dudes up (basically anyone who uses an unmodified DDT or superkick as their finisher, especially if they give it a name). The worst are finishers that are so elementary in nature that there's no good reason it should be treated like a finisher at all (Wade Barrett's Bullhammer, which is just him punching a dude in the head).
The whole thing is this dumb wrestling thing that some fans expect and as a result promoters cater to and reinforce.
I wish it'd change but I know it won't.
I still think Athena's stunner is the coolest fucking thing.
Edit - For better angle.
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I'm picturing some sort of gimmick where he holds the belt for an unusually long amount of time without any random title changes. Because he's always on top.
Either that or they break for a weekend or something and when they come back they're on reign 1,273. And he has to explain why the ref was there the entire time.
J-rock ring announcer is the best ring announcer.