Fine, I'll make a [Captain America: Civil War] thread (CONTAINS OPEN SPOILERS)

Turambar

In this thread I talk to myself about Civil War

You should still use spoiler tags though

Turambar

Turambar wrote: »

Guys guys

Civil War movie

Aunt May has got it goin ON

SenorTacos

I hear this movie has super heroes in it

Etchwarts

I'll be back here after seeing this thing on the 7th!

UnbreakableVow

Gonna read all the spoilers

Don't give a fuuuuuuuck

DarkPrimus

Where's Ant-Man on that poster.

Tox

We get to see this opening night cuz the wife is off, buuuut she works every day until then

But

CIVIL WAR OPENING NIGHT

Lorahalo

Just over a day til my brother and I are off to see this. Ugh so excited.

Veldrin

Seeing this tomorrow night aw yisss.

I'm really tempted to steal my nephew for the night and take him too, but he's pretty young and I might get yelled at by his mother.

BlankZoe

https://youtu.be/C5fHjCtb7xM

oh my god Spider-Man is perfect

Lalabox

I'm really not sure why I keep clicking on this thread. Still got another day and a half to go.

FCD

I wish I could will time to go faster. I want it now, dammit.

Wearingglasses

Seeing it this weekend with friends, so pumped!

I realized that I actually have the opportunity to watch it tomorrow, but I'll be watching it alone. Hmmm!

Peewi

I'm going to see this movie in 9 hours and 12 minutes.

sarukun

I should just fucking see this movie tonight and not go to school tomorrow.


Ffffffffffffffffffffff being responsible suuuuuucks.

sarukun

Oh shit my boss is letting me fuck off early, I can make it in time for the 9:45 show and not actually die if I go to class tomorrowwwwww!

Ahmahgah so excite! Drive faster, bus driver! No one will notice a slight increase in your regular disregard for road safety and human life!

Edit: sitting in the theater right now, assigned seating rules, 6th row, slightly right of center shit yeeeeeesssssssss. Most people I've ever seen at the Taiwanese movies, too!

Edit: This movie fucking ruled, and Tom Holland is fucking magic.

Peewi

I just got home from seeing Civil War. It's so good!

There are a lot of things to mention, but I'd probably forget a bunch if I tried to list them, so I'll just say one minor thing:

I did not expect

the airport fight scene to be so funny.

Lorahalo

Aaagh can work just be over already so I can go see this?

Vixx

Yeah seeing this is 9 hours and 37 minutes.

Munkus Beaver

I hate ya'll so much

Lorahalo

Even worse is that it's a pretty slow day at work, so I don't have much of anything to do. It's so close and yet so far.

Vixx

Thank god work is usually chaos for me. That should keep me good and distracted.

sarukun

Gonna see this again on Saturday for suuuuuure.

T'Challa is so great in this film, I wish he had more face time. Everything about the character is great fun and well done.

Turambar

I wanna see it again too, but I'm going to wait until my gf visits in two weeks

This time in 2D since the premiere was 3D

Älter

I propose a motion to change the thread title to something that really reflects the core motivation for Cap in this movie.

Like, I get it, it is based on the civil war series. However, Cap's main concern is not civility or war-ing.

What is his primary concern during the movie? Finding someone. Specifically, Zemo.

Captain America: Finding Zemo

Spoilered for extremely basic plot formula.

sarukun

I dunno, that may be the plot point, but that is absolutely not what most of the movie is about.

Edit: oh, right, there was another movie with a very similar title some years back, I get it.

Morkath

#TeamStark

Cap is a Skrull. It's the best explanation for his increased aggressiveness over the last few movies, and how he is a huge fucking hypocrite the entire time, with little actually being accomplished outside of creating strife and critically injuring people.

sarukun

I definitely did not see Cap

as being a hypocrite in the film. Certainly Tony's decision to play ball with Ross came back to bite him in the ass at the end of the film, which was Cap's whole reason not to sign the accords. And then Tony goes off and makes his own choice to do what's right even though it's not sanctioned, so really the hypocrite is....

But what's your angle?

Morkath

sarukun wrote: »

I definitely did not see Cap

as being a hypocrite in the film. Certainly Tony's decision to play ball with Ross came back to bite him in the ass at the end of the film, which was Cap's whole reason not to sign the accords. And then Tony goes off and makes his own choice to do what's right even though it's not sanctioned, so really the hypocrite is....

But what's your angle?

His entire thing over the last few movies was him getting pissed at people for keeping secrets that could end up being dangerous.

Then in this movie, he doesn't tell anyone else about the winter soldier program, that Zemo appears to be trying to re-activate. Instead he starts a fight that ends with Rhodey being crippled, in order to steal a quinjet. Instead of just telling Stark/the others about it.

He admits to having known Bucky killed Stark's parents the entire time, and never told him.

Plus the whole, refusing to agree to a legal mandate allowing for super human action, to allow for oversight and control.

So basically, he doesn't care that secrets were kept, he just feels he is the only one who should ever be trusted with anything. Absolutely no one else in the world except him should be making any kind of decision.

To tie it into Skrulls, he is basically trying to sow discord while putting himself into a position of power.

sarukun

Morkath wrote: »

sarukun wrote: »

I definitely did not see Cap

as being a hypocrite in the film. Certainly Tony's decision to play ball with Ross came back to bite him in the ass at the end of the film, which was Cap's whole reason not to sign the accords. And then Tony goes off and makes his own choice to do what's right even though it's not sanctioned, so really the hypocrite is....

But what's your angle?

His entire thing over the last few movies was him getting pissed at people for keeping secrets that could end up being dangerous.

Then in this movie, he doesn't tell anyone else about the winter soldier program, that Zemo appears to be trying to re-activate. Instead he starts a fight that ends with Rhodey being crippled, in order to steal a quinjet. Instead of just telling Stark/the others about it.

He admits to having known Bucky killed Stark's parents the entire time, and never told him.

Plus the whole, refusing to agree to a legal mandate allowing for super human action, to allow for oversight and control.

So basically, he doesn't care that secrets were kept, he just feels he is the only one who should ever be trusted with anything. Absolutely no one else in the world except him should be making any kind of decision.

To tie it into Skrulls, he is basically trying to sow discord while putting himself into a position of power.

I didn't get that he knew very much about the Winter Soldier program at all, though the super spoiler at the end of the film, yes, that a bit of hypocrisy. I wouldn't say the MAIN thrust of his finger wagging has been over keeping secrets, but he was definitely cheesed about it in AoU, so you're spot on there. But the start of the airport fight does begin with him saying "this is the deal" and Tony just does not want to hear about it. In any case, I totally see the point you're making, but I don't think that is the central conflict that drives the plot, or that Steve wanting to be able to choose where and when he gets involved is really at odds with anything he's done in previous films.

I mean, how well this film lines up with previous material is one of the things that makes it so wonderful when enjoyed as part of a whole rather than as a stand-alone film.

Morkath

Avengers1, was him being upset at shield for keeping the tesseract secret, and creating weapons with it, because he felt it was too dangerous.
Winter Soldier was also almost entirely about how SHIELD was keeping secrets and compartmentalizing, and how it lead to HYDRA being a thing and the damage they caused. Steve refused to let SHIELD be re-established because of his views on this.
As you mentioned AoU was also about how Tony was keeping secrets and performing actions that could be dangerous.

Now in CW, suddenly Cap is the one keeping secrets and doing things that are dangerous, that everyone else disagrees with.

It is a massive 180 degree spin in character.

UnbreakableVow

Question, this isn't really a spoilery thing but if you wanna get into specifics in your answer I'm fine with your spoiling stuff in spoiler tags

One of the reviews I read, the review that got me most excited, was that by the end of the film when things go down the movie has established the sense that both characters are pretty equal amounts of "right," and that it's not really like the comic where one side's view is going to end up undercut with dick moves to make you want to side with the other

Is that true?

Ideally, I would leave the theater conflicted on the central issues of the film

Morkath

No real spoilers for unbreakable;

I think it's less about both sides being right, and more about both sides having handled the issue badly at some point during.

With one side still being in the wrong.

Cap's team.

#TeamStark.

Lorahalo

1 hour to go, whoooo

Vixx

2.5 hours to go here

my coworkers are making fun of me for how excited I am

Lalabox

Yay, lining up!

Munkus Beaver

Vivixenne wrote: »

2.5 hours to go here

my coworkers are making fun of me for how excited I am

EDIT: Just to be clear, this is a response to Viv's coworkers in Viv's shoes, not a response to Viv's predicament. @Vivixenne

Lorahalo

Well that was a great movie!

Wearingglasses

Watched it, it's great!

I was actually skeptical of how people are saying that they nailed Spidey and Black Panther correctly, but they were exactly right.

Vixx

This was made by people who love the characters. It shows.

Munkus Beaver

Vivixenne wrote: »

This was made by people who love the characters. It shows.

Hooray!

I still hate all of you for getting to see this over a week before I can.