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[Windows OS] Version 1604 - Dual core Atom: Pass. 8 core Ryzen 1700X: Fail.

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  • HonkHonk Honk is this poster. Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2
    D: is for D: ata

    Anyway I guess the lesson of the day is that Onedrive and the Office apps, and anything cloud that microsoft touches, is very bad.

    Honk on
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  • SmokeStacksSmokeStacks Registered User regular
    Using the [code] tag will preempt emojis
    

    For example,
    C:\Users\Honk\
    C:\Users\Honk\Onedrive
    D:\Onedrive-(Company)\
    D:\Onedrive-Dept\
    
    It will            also allow you to specifically dictate word distance
               on the off chance
    that you
                                                              ever need to do that
    

    HonkShadowfire
  • syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products regular
    Al_wat wrote: »
    I'm trying to figure out if I should do Win 10 or 11 on my new build. I think longer term, like 2023, it will definitely be Windows 11. But what about today?
    Factoring into my decision is that my new cpu is intel 12th gen with those "P" and "E" cores which apparently windows 11 knows how to deal with. But then when I look at benchmarks comparing win10 vs 11, often times windows 10 has better performance. I assume this is a temporary thing and will get better with patches and stuff.

    What do you guys think? Windows 10 for now and then upgrade later, or jump straight to windows 11?

    Brand new build/install, unless there is some legacy thing that got broken, I would use 11.

    I have been on 11 since release and everything really does seem fine. 11 seems to be much better at dealing with HDR if you have a monitor/gpu combo that provides that.

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  • wunderbarwunderbar What Have I Done? Registered User regular
    Al_wat wrote: »
    I'm trying to figure out if I should do Win 10 or 11 on my new build. I think longer term, like 2023, it will definitely be Windows 11. But what about today?
    Factoring into my decision is that my new cpu is intel 12th gen with those "P" and "E" cores which apparently windows 11 knows how to deal with. But then when I look at benchmarks comparing win10 vs 11, often times windows 10 has better performance. I assume this is a temporary thing and will get better with patches and stuff.

    What do you guys think? Windows 10 for now and then upgrade later, or jump straight to windows 11?

    Personal opinion: Windows 11 is fine. There are some things it does better than Windows 10, and some things it does worse. I just upgraded my hardware and wasn't afraid to jump to Windows 11 on it. Do a couple things about 11 drive me nuts? Yes. Are those things enough to make me say Windows 11 is unusable? No. There are also things about Windows 10 that drive me nuts too. Neither is perfect. I went to 11 partly because it is the new shiny (and also I have been using it on my laptop for almost a year) and partly because I didn't want to have to deal with the upgrade down the line.

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  • MichaelLCMichaelLC In what furnace was thy brain? ChicagoRegistered User regular
    edited June 2
    Another W11 user here that thinks it's fine. Older MSI gaming laptop.

    The weird thing for me was that I guess 11 didn't let you put the taskbar on the top anymore? Had to do a registry hack to enable.

    MichaelLC on
    Al_wat
  • LD50LD50 Registered User regular
    They finally added a clock to monitors other than your primary so it's actually usable now.

    Al_watMichaelLCDehumanized
  • Al_watAl_wat Registered User regular
    Thanks for the replies!

    At this point I think I'm going WIndows 11. The 12th gen intel interaction with windows 11 is really what pushes my decision over the edge. Also, based on what most people are saying windows 11 isn't broken so I don't really have anything to lose by using it. Any UI annoyances can eventually be overcome (hopefully).

  • wunderbarwunderbar What Have I Done? Registered User regular
    So, I splurged and picked up something I've been wanting for a while. I've heard nothing but bad things about Windows on ARM (WOA), and really wanted to try it, but every computer was a premium computer so I wasn't willing to drop $1000+ to play with something.

    Well, last week Best Buy had a Galaxy Book Go open box model on sale for about $225. (Canadian dollars, works out to about $175 USD) so I figured what the hell. Try it, worst case I return it.

    The Galaxy Book Go runs a Snapdragon 7c Gen 2, has 4GB of RAM, and has 128GB of eUFS storage, so not as as slow as eMMC storage, but not super super fast.

    I've used it exclusively for 5 days, and I have no idea what to think. In some ways, this thing is held back by some of the other hardware choices. 4GB of RAM really isn't enough nowadays. The screen on the laptop is the worst I've seen in a long time, and the build quality isn't great, but considering the price, fine.

    How is Windows itself, accounting for the low amount of RAM? Sticking with ARM optimized apps, it's... fine? Edge runs about as well as Edge would run on any Windows laptop with 4GB of RAM. it honestly works fine. Any ARM compiled app will run about as well as you might expect on a low end Windows laptop with a Core i3 or something. I wrote a 1000 word thing in Word on it, and it was fine, since the office suite is compiled for ARM.

    But my god, as soon as you get outside of ARM optimized apps, it all starts to fall apart. I installed Affinity Photo, which is an x64 apps that runs in emulation on Windows 11 ARM. on my Ryzen 5900X desktop it loads in about 3-4 seconds. on my 2017 era Dell XPS 13 with a Core i5 8250U, it loads in about 10-15 seconds.

    on the Snapdragon 7c Gen 2 laptop... Affinity photo was loaded and usable in 84 seconds. almost a minute and a half to launch.

    And the incompleteness of Windows on ARM is.... a problem. Windows on ARM has existed since 2019, and the Microsoft App Store is till an x86 application that needs to run in emulation. Just last week microsoft put an ARM version of the store in the insider preview beta channel, so I moved the laptop to that and yea, the store loads faster than it did before.

    Battery life: just web browsing and I'm looking at maybe 12-13 hours, so really good, but is it worth getting an extra 2-3 hours of battery life on Windows on ARM when the app situation is such garbage? Probably not.

    tldr: Windows on ARM is an interesting beast. If you live exclusively in ARM based apps, the few that there are, it works as well as any $400-$500 laptop with a Core i3 would work. But the second you want to do something outside of the ARM app ecosystem, the whole thing falls apart.

    I'm probably going to keep it as a test machine, since it's pretty inexpensive and I can use it as a spare laptop when the significant other needs to borrow my better one to do her side hustle. But can I recommend Windows on ARM to anyone who isn't a complete technology nerd? Nope.

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  • FremFrem Registered User regular
    I've used Windows on ARM in Parallels on my M1 MacBook to play some Windows games, and I was shocked by how well everything seemed to run. In this configuration it's using Microsoft's Intel translation layer instead of Apple's, and some stuff has way better performance than running through Rosetta in a macOS version of Wine. Like, games are running through a translation layer for the CPU instructions and the GPU instructions on top of running in a VM, so it's not the best performance ever, but lots of stuff is quite playable; way better than I would have expected.

    I think once we see Windows on ARM officially running on really performant hardware, that's when the value proposition is going to start making more sense.

  • wunderbarwunderbar What Have I Done? Registered User regular
    Playing more with this Chromebook, I think that there's just some really poor optimization in the read/write performance somewhere in the stack, especially on emulated apps. I'm not sure if that's a driver issue with the memory controller on the snapdragon chipsets, or just something in the way that Windows handles I/O that is bad. When I open apps the system is basically running idle. CPU usage is low, RAM usage isn't spiking, the disk is running idle. I really think there's an issue in the emulation bits not being able to read data of the drive at any speed.

    Once an app gets running it's fine. I talked about it taking almost 90 seconds to start Affinity Photo but once it gets running it runs well enough.

    It's a really confusing situation.

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  • BlazeFireBlazeFire Registered User regular
    Wife's HP laptop installed update kb5014697 (22000.739). Now it bluescreens upon boot. I can only successfully make it into safe mode maybe 1 out of 3 tries. I've tried uninstalling the update but it reinstalls itself when I reboot. Le sigh. I work with technology every day. I hate technology.

  • ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    Bios update?

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  • Mmmm... Cocks...Mmmm... Cocks... Registered User regular
    Anyone know a simple, free program to stitch two videos together? My mom has been doing some acting and we usually film one-shots but I need to cut two of them together for her this time around.

  • BlazeFireBlazeFire Registered User regular
    Just to put them together back-to-front? I've used ffmpeg (command line tool, tonnes of examples on the internet) for stuff like that.

  • Mmmm... Cocks...Mmmm... Cocks... Registered User regular
    edited August 9
    BlazeFire wrote: »
    Just to put them together back-to-front? I've used ffmpeg (command line tool, tonnes of examples on the internet) for stuff like that.
    I haven't seen them yet but I think I just need to smash two separate videos together into one file. 1 and 2 into 12 if you will. Maybe trim a little fat off the begining or end if I'm feeling frisky. Incredibly simple stuff, I just don't know what programs are commonly used, never edited a video.

    I'll check out ffmpeg asap, meeting my mother after work.

    Mmmm... Cocks... on
  • wunderbarwunderbar What Have I Done? Registered User regular
    Clipchamp should also work and is built into Windows 11 now and is a free download for Windows 10. It has a paid tier but you won't need that to just stitch two videos together.

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  • MugsleyMugsley Registered User regular
    Maybe Handbrake too? I know it's focused on ripping DVDs, but I believe it has some minor editing tools.

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