Casually HardcoreOnce an Asshole. Trying to be better.Registered Userregular
The first time I open up a computer I was like 10 and the last thing I was feeling was 'afraid'.
People need to stop being afraid of doing stuff and just do it. There're thousands of hours of youtube videos that shows you how to do things. Just do it.
Also, "suck it up and don't be afraid" is shitty advice when, realistically, if I fuck it up I'm not replacing it - I'm just out the money the components cost.
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Casually HardcoreOnce an Asshole. Trying to be better.Registered Userregular
But maybe none more infuriating than someone simply not believing you when you say you find something difficult/overly complicated
What part of JUST DO IT are you not understanding, Unbreakable? The 'just' or the 'do' part?
@OneAngryPossum - A lot of silicon boards are a lot stronger than you might be led to believe. Of course, there are exceptions the other way too. CPU pins are literally delicate flowers (that's not true--flowers are less delicate that most CPU pins).
On the flip side, the mounting point/lever for a CPU fan is just a horrible, brutish and relatively durable nightmare on some motherboards. The hilarity is that they put these things right next to eachother.
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admanbunionize your workplaceSeattle, WARegistered Userregular
But maybe none more infuriating than someone simply not believing you when you say you find something difficult/overly complicated
What part of JUST DO IT are you not understanding, Unbreakable? The 'just' or the 'do' part?
@OneAngryPossum - A lot of silicon boards are a lot stronger than you might be led to believe. Of course, there are exceptions the other way too. CPU pins are literally delicate flowers (that's not true--flowers are less delicate that most CPU pins).
On the flip side, the mounting point/lever for a CPU fan is just a horrible, brutish and relatively durable nightmare on some motherboards. The hilarity is that they put these things right next to eachother.
Latching my CPU/motherboard/heat sink together was a terrifying moment of going, "am I supposed to be pressing this hard?" feeling it crunch and going, "welp, too late now."
But maybe none more infuriating than someone simply not believing you when you say you find something difficult/overly complicated
What part of JUST DO IT are you not understanding, Unbreakable? The 'just' or the 'do' part?
@OneAngryPossum - A lot of silicon boards are a lot stronger than you might be led to believe. Of course, there are exceptions the other way too. CPU pins are literally delicate flowers (that's not true--flowers are less delicate that most CPU pins).
On the flip side, the mounting point/lever for a CPU fan is just a horrible, brutish and relatively durable nightmare on some motherboards. The hilarity is that they put these things right next to eachother.
Latching my CPU/motherboard/heat sink together was a terrifying moment of going, "am I supposed to be pressing this hard?" feeling it crunch and going, "welp, too late now."
Apparently I was, but SERIOUSLY WHAT THE FUCK.
Man the fuck up.
You know who fears no fear when he opens a PC? Mr. Shia LaBeouf.
Granted, that's because he's rich as Crassus and if he destroys a PC through carelessness he can just throw money at his assistant to buy him another $500 video card or $200 CPU, and then have another assistant throw said computer at a homeless person.
But that's not the point, the point is to man the fuck up.
I build my own computers because I have an interest in hardware and I enjoy having that level of ownership and familiarity with my machine.
I totally understand why some people would rather not deal with the hassle, and it absolutely can be a hassle sometimes, no matter how easy it's gotten to snap together a new PC.
That said, there are tons of hyper-obsessive nerds out there agonizing over resolution, frame-rate, image quality, load times, and every other aspect of their console experience who really should get a PC because they're involved enough that doing the research is not a huge ask for them. They're already poring over comparison screenshots to see which console does better anisotropic texture filtering or whatever. I think these are the people to whom that message is directed, not "every console gamer should just go build a PC instead".
I also think the message that "building a PC is not as scary as you might think" is not a patronizing or offensive one. It's not completely without peril or difficulty, but attempting to dispel the notion that building a PC is completely impenetrable is fine.
computers are really easy to put together ever since they put cpu pins on the motherboard instead of on the cpu. So much harder to break. Mostly everything is just put plug that can only fit into this shape until you're out of stuff to plug in and then you're done.
but I can understand why people think it's scary, consoles exist for a reason even if I generally don't use mine.
Everyone can build a computer, but you need to want to learn it or have interest in both computers, hardware and building.
I agree on the heat sink though, depending on what kind of plugs you have for your sink it can be really hard to get it on. I can build a computer in half an hour but the heat sinks always mess things up, fragile plastic plugs and don't really want to fit so your press a bit harder and then something bends. I wasted a 80 dollar heat sink from that once. Shit happens but the heat sink plugs are in most cases the most breakable parts of the computer, everything else is pretty sturdy and can be pushed real hard until it clicks in to place. I also suggest not getting a stock case because they're usually way too cramped and it's hard to replace and change things within and changes of getting bloody hands is higher.
Personally, I'd rather deal with components directing electrons into Ones and Zeroes than deal with components that create controlled explosions at precise timings to move my automobile.
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my thought is doing all the motherboard wiring and crap isn't worth it. get a $400 tower, stick a video card and extra RAM in it which takes like 20 minutes and go.
my thought is doing all the motherboard wiring and crap isn't worth it. get a $400 tower, stick a video card and extra RAM in it which takes like 20 minutes and go.
Or pay $40 to the supplier to use the parts you want (if that's an option).
my thought is doing all the motherboard wiring and crap isn't worth it. get a $400 tower, stick a video card and extra RAM in it which takes like 20 minutes and go.
Or pay $40 to the supplier to use the parts you want (if that's an option).
I would instead suggest looking for tech savvy people around you that are willing to help, shops that build the computer for you usually ask too much and take too long. I had to wait a week and a half for my first computer to be build.
Anyone professing the ease of the living room hasn't had to buy a new TV in several years. Figuring out what all this TV bullshit does makes picking out a videocard seem easy by comparison.
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HardtargetThere Are Four LightsVancouverRegistered Userregular
It's only that long because Will Smith is a huge nerd. Building a PC is easy.
When you're knowledgeable about something, it's easy to lose sight of how other people view it. We all do this with some subject or another. I certainly have.
Trust me, not everyone finds building a PC "easy". For a lot of people, the convenience of a console is easily worth avoiding the hassle, even if it is easier than it used to be.
If someone opts to build a high end PC and play most of their games on there? Great! But some of the GB fellas are definitely in a bit of a bubble with that kind of thing without seeming to realize it.
lol no. building a pc is super easy for anybody
step 1) go to www.dell.com
step 2) buy a PC
hey look you just built a PC!
Not everybody has to build some super high end thing from scratch. You are allowed to look at a company's products that makes PCs and figure out which one looks right for you.
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SteevLWhat can I do for you?Registered Userregular
I'm just glad that less people are throwing the phrase "PC Master Race" around. It was mildly amusing at first, but then it seemed like people were taking it a little too seriously.
I'm also glad I decided to build my first PC 13 years ago. It wasn't without hardships, and it did not power up on my first try, but I was very pleased with the result. I don't really build top-of-the-line machines either. The one I'm using right now was built in 2010, with a few upgrades. There are a lot of modern games I cannot play on it, but I've been quite pleased with its performance. I'm saving up to build a new one within the next few months.
I don't blame people who just want shit to work, of course. I haven't caught up with the current consoles, but I do like being able to turn on my PS3 and have it just work when I want to play a game.
That PC Master Race stuff is kinda what turned me off from TotalBiscuit (among other things).
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Zxerolfor the smaller pieces, my shovel wouldn't doso i took off my boot and used my shoeRegistered Userregular
edited July 2016
PC Master Race started because Zero Punctuation made fun of that kind of platform hyperfanboyism. People started co-opting it as a point of pride -- through irony or ignorance, it doesn't matter.
These people also for some reason didn't realize that co-opting a reference to Nazism probably isn't a great thing.
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HardtargetThere Are Four LightsVancouverRegistered Userregular
"PC Master Race" is fucking AWFUL on so many levels and a British Dude whose grandparents probably faught in the war should know better.
my thought is doing all the motherboard wiring and crap isn't worth it. get a $400 tower, stick a video card and extra RAM in it which takes like 20 minutes and go.
Or pay $40 to the supplier to use the parts you want (if that's an option).
I would instead suggest looking for tech savvy people around you that are willing to help, shops that build the computer for you usually ask too much and take too long. I had to wait a week and a half for my first computer to be build.
This is a good solution--I just don't like it so much because it doesn't avoid the (slim) possibility of dead-on-arrival components, or parts that don't fit for physical reasons you didn't foresee (for example, a video card turning out to be just large enough to block a slot you planned to use). Of course, for some people that hardly matters, but I personally like avoiding all the mess (and I don't mind waiting an extra week--otherwise, I would have literally bought my entire system off Amazon via Prime).
Having the supplier build it immediately gets around those. Of course, it's possible the finished product could be shipped to you poorly (but that can, and sometimes does, happen from NewEgg or Amazon too).
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Olivawgood name, isn't it?the foot of mt fujiRegistered Userregular
PC Master Race started because Zero Punctuation made fun of that kind of platform hyperfanboyism. People started co-opting it as a point of pride -- through irony or ignorance, it doesn't matter.
These people also for some reason didn't realize that co-opting a reference to Nazism probably isn't a great thing.
It was a big reason I stopped regularly reading Rock Paper Shotgun
So, I just got done playing a few hours of Inside and I have no idea what Brad is talking about. Inside is Limbo as all hell in the killing you department, particularly in ways you can't anticipate beforehand. Don't get me wrong, I really like the game so far, but it doesn't seem to pull its punches when it wants to murder you repeatedly and often.
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firewaterwordSatchitanandaPais Vasco to San FranciscoRegistered Userregular
Yeah I thought Inside was a good deal more gruesome than Limbo. There are some pretty ridiculous ways to expire in Inside.
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HardtargetThere Are Four LightsVancouverRegistered Userregular
So... I've now watched a full playthrough of Inside (spoilers, obviously)
And other than the out-of-nowhere Akira/Bender-Becomes-Human moment at the end of the game, it seemed like a very pretty game with a few moderately interesting puzzles. Don't really get what the "five stars oh god five stars" talk is all about, but I'm not a games jornalist I suppose.
probably because watching someone play a game isn't the same experience as playing the game
Hey no kidding.
There wasn't - however - anything in that game that looked like it had to be controlled to be understood.
I did not think the game looked bad at all. I can certainly see the appeal, particularly from an artistic standpoint. I just think there's some hyperbole going on.
i played inside and thought it was a wholly understandable story that a lot of people are aggressively trying to metaphor due to being moderately vague
e: which is not to say i'm criticizing people who enjoy theorizing what the developer's intentions are metaphor-wise, because i do suspect that they intended to have some, just that on a base level it didn't seem particularly complex
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BRIAN BLESSEDMaybe you aren't SPEAKING LOUDLY ENOUGHHHRegistered Userregular
edited July 2016
I think people just can't be bothered with the hassle researching on how to build a gaming PC, which is absolutely fine
If you don't want the dumb cost premiums of having someone build it for you, you're looking at asking people about what parts they should be using, and how to assemble that shit
With a console for the equivalent price you're asking the store guy what games are on it and whether or not they're any good, infinitely more interesting things to ask about than the myriad of gizmos they have to plug into a box
I absolutely think anyone under the sun who enjoys gaming should give PC building a go. It certainly isn't as complex as some people believe it is, but there is most definitely an extra level of engagement that many people really don't want, and there's nothing wrong with that.
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People need to stop being afraid of doing stuff and just do it. There're thousands of hours of youtube videos that shows you how to do things. Just do it.
"It should only take you a few hours," "there are hours worth of YouTube videos to watch"
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"Plug it in and it goes"
Yes plug it in and it goes
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But maybe none more infuriating than someone simply not believing you when you say you find something difficult/overly complicated
What part of JUST DO IT are you not understanding, Unbreakable? The 'just' or the 'do' part?
@OneAngryPossum - A lot of silicon boards are a lot stronger than you might be led to believe. Of course, there are exceptions the other way too. CPU pins are literally delicate flowers (that's not true--flowers are less delicate that most CPU pins).
On the flip side, the mounting point/lever for a CPU fan is just a horrible, brutish and relatively durable nightmare on some motherboards. The hilarity is that they put these things right next to eachother.
Latching my CPU/motherboard/heat sink together was a terrifying moment of going, "am I supposed to be pressing this hard?" feeling it crunch and going, "welp, too late now."
Apparently I was, but SERIOUSLY WHAT THE FUCK.
Man the fuck up.
You know who fears no fear when he opens a PC? Mr. Shia LaBeouf.
Granted, that's because he's rich as Crassus and if he destroys a PC through carelessness he can just throw money at his assistant to buy him another $500 video card or $200 CPU, and then have another assistant throw said computer at a homeless person.
But that's not the point, the point is to man the fuck up.
I totally understand why some people would rather not deal with the hassle, and it absolutely can be a hassle sometimes, no matter how easy it's gotten to snap together a new PC.
That said, there are tons of hyper-obsessive nerds out there agonizing over resolution, frame-rate, image quality, load times, and every other aspect of their console experience who really should get a PC because they're involved enough that doing the research is not a huge ask for them. They're already poring over comparison screenshots to see which console does better anisotropic texture filtering or whatever. I think these are the people to whom that message is directed, not "every console gamer should just go build a PC instead".
I also think the message that "building a PC is not as scary as you might think" is not a patronizing or offensive one. It's not completely without peril or difficulty, but attempting to dispel the notion that building a PC is completely impenetrable is fine.
but I can understand why people think it's scary, consoles exist for a reason even if I generally don't use mine.
I agree on the heat sink though, depending on what kind of plugs you have for your sink it can be really hard to get it on. I can build a computer in half an hour but the heat sinks always mess things up, fragile plastic plugs and don't really want to fit so your press a bit harder and then something bends. I wasted a 80 dollar heat sink from that once. Shit happens but the heat sink plugs are in most cases the most breakable parts of the computer, everything else is pretty sturdy and can be pushed real hard until it clicks in to place. I also suggest not getting a stock case because they're usually way too cramped and it's hard to replace and change things within and changes of getting bloody hands is higher.
Law and Order ≠ Justice
ACNH Island Isla Cero: DA-3082-2045-4142
Still waiting on Dan "Man of his Word" Ryckert to eat a hat
Or pay $40 to the supplier to use the parts you want (if that's an option).
I would instead suggest looking for tech savvy people around you that are willing to help, shops that build the computer for you usually ask too much and take too long. I had to wait a week and a half for my first computer to be build.
lol no. building a pc is super easy for anybody
step 1) go to www.dell.com
step 2) buy a PC
hey look you just built a PC!
Not everybody has to build some super high end thing from scratch. You are allowed to look at a company's products that makes PCs and figure out which one looks right for you.
I'm also glad I decided to build my first PC 13 years ago. It wasn't without hardships, and it did not power up on my first try, but I was very pleased with the result. I don't really build top-of-the-line machines either. The one I'm using right now was built in 2010, with a few upgrades. There are a lot of modern games I cannot play on it, but I've been quite pleased with its performance. I'm saving up to build a new one within the next few months.
I don't blame people who just want shit to work, of course. I haven't caught up with the current consoles, but I do like being able to turn on my PS3 and have it just work when I want to play a game.
These people also for some reason didn't realize that co-opting a reference to Nazism probably isn't a great thing.
god it's the fucking worst. ugh.
This is a good solution--I just don't like it so much because it doesn't avoid the (slim) possibility of dead-on-arrival components, or parts that don't fit for physical reasons you didn't foresee (for example, a video card turning out to be just large enough to block a slot you planned to use). Of course, for some people that hardly matters, but I personally like avoiding all the mess (and I don't mind waiting an extra week--otherwise, I would have literally bought my entire system off Amazon via Prime).
Having the supplier build it immediately gets around those. Of course, it's possible the finished product could be shipped to you poorly (but that can, and sometimes does, happen from NewEgg or Amazon too).
It was a big reason I stopped regularly reading Rock Paper Shotgun
Real obnoxious shit
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I don't know enough about Zero Punctuation to establish that he was or wasn't using the term ironically.
I do recall there was a time period where he really fucking liked using it though.
RPS is a PC gaming site, which is a different thing
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Hey no kidding.
There wasn't - however - anything in that game that looked like it had to be controlled to be understood.
I did not think the game looked bad at all. I can certainly see the appeal, particularly from an artistic standpoint. I just think there's some hyperbole going on.
e: which is not to say i'm criticizing people who enjoy theorizing what the developer's intentions are metaphor-wise, because i do suspect that they intended to have some, just that on a base level it didn't seem particularly complex
If you don't want the dumb cost premiums of having someone build it for you, you're looking at asking people about what parts they should be using, and how to assemble that shit
With a console for the equivalent price you're asking the store guy what games are on it and whether or not they're any good, infinitely more interesting things to ask about than the myriad of gizmos they have to plug into a box
I absolutely think anyone under the sun who enjoys gaming should give PC building a go. It certainly isn't as complex as some people believe it is, but there is most definitely an extra level of engagement that many people really don't want, and there's nothing wrong with that.
Right now feels like the following are heavy contenders:
Doom
Overwatch
The Witness
Inside
Stardew Valley
Hitman
Uncharted
with the battle for #1 between Doom and Overwatch. I give the edge to Doom.
We still have some big hitters coming:
No Man's Sky
Titanfall 2
Deus Ex
Mafia III
Call of Duty
Battlefield 1
Stuff like that. I think we'll have some good debates this year over really good games. 2016 has been solid.