One thing Johns was very adamant about in today's round of interviews about Rebirth is
that Doctor Manhattan is the antagonist of this story, not the villain. He isn't a villainous mustache twirling villain and hasn't been twisting and changing the DCU for fun and to watch the heroes squirm.
Rebirth is the first actual issue of a DC comic I have ever bought.
I've read a bunch of trades and graphic novels or course, but by the time I had expendable income to afford single issues we got the dark gritty tone I hated, much preferred diving into the back collection so stuff I actually liked.
So rebirth was very much, yeah, ok, let's see what you got. Now I'm planning on picking up a bunch of the new #1's. So good job DC I guess.
One thing Johns was very adamant about in today's round of interviews about Rebirth is
that Doctor Manhattan is the antagonist of this story, not the villain. He isn't a villainous mustache twirling villain and hasn't been twisting and changing the DCU for fun and to watch the heroes squirm.
I haven't read the issue, has there been any appearance BY Doctor Manhattan yet?
I would not be surprised for it turn out that he isn't even doing this intentionally
One thing Johns was very adamant about in today's round of interviews about Rebirth is
that Doctor Manhattan is the antagonist of this story, not the villain. He isn't a villainous mustache twirling villain and hasn't been twisting and changing the DCU for fun and to watch the heroes squirm.
I haven't read the issue, has there been any appearance BY Doctor Manhattan yet?
I would not be surprised for it turn out that he isn't even doing this intentionally
There's a scene where Pandora talks to some unseen person about how he'll fail because of DC's inherent hope and she gets disintegrated in a very familiar manner
And then at the very end they have Manhattan/Ozymandias' final conversation over shots of mars, even in the font used in Watchmen
One thing Johns was very adamant about in today's round of interviews about Rebirth is
that Doctor Manhattan is the antagonist of this story, not the villain. He isn't a villainous mustache twirling villain and hasn't been twisting and changing the DCU for fun and to watch the heroes squirm.
I haven't read the issue, has there been any appearance BY Doctor Manhattan yet?
I would not be surprised for it turn out that he isn't even doing this intentionally
It is at least somewhat intentionally as he killed Pandora and appeared to be using her as a scapegoat for his actions
They are basically for people to buy if they are curious or are gonna get the book anyways
They set up the status quo for the series and are intended to be a barometer of tone and whatnot, the #1s are supposed to function on their own just fine
And on the third day, they went to the tomb, and found the stone rolled back...
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Grayson stuck the landing, which is appropriate for a comic about an acrobat turned superhero. One particular moment gave me chills
(Spoilers for Grayson #20)
So an evil nazi scientist managed to cheat death by having his consciousness copied into the body of Helena Bertinelli, aka Huntress. To save her, Dick offers to trade his life for hers, and have Doctor Daedalus take over his body instead. Because literally no one can resist the appeal of having Dick Grayson's body, he accepts, and as the consciousness switch takes place, Dick and Helena have time for a brief conversation in which he explains he has no plan beyond fighting his hardest and hoping his years of mental training are enough, setting the stage for a battle of wills.
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That is delightful
Man, Grayson, you were such a fun comic
How the hell did that even happen?
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Grayson was the best/biggest surprise for me out of all of the last few years of DC books. The initial premise seemed just okay (Dick Grayson fakes his death, goes undercover as a secret agent), and the marketing for it was pretty awful and ripe for parody
And then Dick threw his gun and used it as a makeshift batarang and I started to believe, and it was all good from there.
Dan Abnett has signed an exclusive contract with DC, and announced so in an interview about Titans which sounds like a Really Important book for the new/old DCU
Wally is the centerpiece of the title who brings the team back together and unites them and the core of the book is the team trying to figure out A) what happened to the missing 10 years from their universe and what other changes have happened and what parts of their lives have they forgotten.
Abnett says the characters are all beginning to flesh out and remember their old ways now that Wally is back, Donna is no longer an emotionless killing machine, Arsenal realizes that there's a reason he has fallen off the wagon so many times and there is a void in his life he didn't even know he had, etc. And they are going to try and find out what has been messing with them to make them into their very different New 52 selves.
I hate Brett Booth's art but Abnett is a damn good writer and that premise is more than enough to get me on board.
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I don't know how much credit for Grayson's writing goes to Tim Seeley or Tom King, and Jackson Lanzing and Collin Kelly did a fine job finishing the story
I haven't read anything else by the others, but King's Vision book for Marvel has also been fantastic, so he's definitely a writer I'm going to be paying attention to. I'm also excited to have King writing Batman and Seeley writing Nightwing in Rebirth, and will be checking out both.
I don't know how much credit for Grayson's writing goes to Tim Seeley or Tom King, and Jackson Lanzing and Collin Kelly did a fine job finishing the story
I haven't read anything else by the others, but King's Vision book for Marvel has also been fantastic, so he's definitely a writer I'm going to be paying attention to. I'm also excited to have King writing Batman and Seeley writing Nightwing in Rebirth, and will be checking out both.
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so, Rebirth talk, specifically the core concept. I've seen it mentioned in a couple places that Johns may be being a bit unfair casting the characters he does as the antagonists of the whole thing, effectively blaming the original writer of those characters for the industry trends that DC is now trying to reverse... except the original author feels the same way:
I don’t think that the world needs that many brooding psychopathic avengers. I don’t know that we need any. It was a disappointment to me, how Watchmen was absorbed into the mainstream. It had originally been meant as an indication of what people could do that was new. I’d originally thought that with works like Watchmen and Marvelman, I’d be able to say, “Look, this is what you can do with these stale old concepts. You can turn them on their heads. You can really wake them up. Don’t be so limited in your thinking. Use your imagination.” And, I was naively hoping that there’d be a rush of fresh and original work by people coming up with their own. But, as I said, it was meant to be something that would liberate comics. Instead, it became this massive stumbling block that comics can’t even really seem to get around to this day. They’ve lost a lot of their original innocence, and they can’t get that back. And, they’re stuck, it seems, in this kind of depressive ghetto of grimness and psychosis. I’m not too proud of being the author of that regrettable trend.
Midnighter being able to recognize Nightwing through his face camo tech because he could never forget Dick's butt is still the best goddamn thing
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Has anyone actually checked out Scooby Apocalypse?
Because CA just put an article up on the first issue and uh
UH
(spoilers)
In addition to the company that Velma works for trying to we3 Scooby Doo, they were working on a project that was going to nanite blast all of humanity into subservience
And things went wrong
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something I just realized that I'd forgotten in all of the excitement over Rebirth being a neat thing that has me more excited about DC comics than I have been literally ever before, and that's that just over a week ago Geoff Johns was basically made the Kevin Feige of DC's movies (he's co-boss of DC Films along with Warner's Exec VP)
Hopefully this means the new era of hope and optimism will bleed over into the films as well
Dan Abnett has signed an exclusive contract with DC, and announced so in an interview about Titans which sounds like a Really Important book for the new/old DCU
Wally is the centerpiece of the title who brings the team back together and unites them and the core of the book is the team trying to figure out A) what happened to the missing 10 years from their universe and what other changes have happened and what parts of their lives have they forgotten.
Abnett says the characters are all beginning to flesh out and remember their old ways now that Wally is back, Donna is no longer an emotionless killing machine, Arsenal realizes that there's a reason he has fallen off the wagon so many times and there is a void in his life he didn't even know he had, etc. And they are going to try and find out what has been messing with them to make them into their very different New 52 selves.
I hate Brett Booth's art but Abnett is a damn good writer and that premise is more than enough to get me on board.
So it seems Titan Hunt, also by Abnett, is gonna be pretty important because that is somewhat the same premise. Although, from the solicits that I've read, it looks like the book was treading water???
Has anyone actually checked out Scooby Apocalypse?
Because CA just put an article up on the first issue and uh
UH
(spoilers)
In addition to the company that Velma works for trying to we3 Scooby Doo, they were working on a project that was going to nanite blast all of humanity into subservience
And things went wrong
where's classic Scooby Villains like that one clown guy, man in an olde-timey diver suit, and that timeless essential, sweet jesus, are they actually doing a "witch doctor", good lord the 70s were not sensitive to race issues?
Can someone give me an overview of the leadup to rebirth or what would be required reading to get the full impact?
that's... complicated, in part because to get the full impact you'd probably need to read some crap comics that I couldn't in good conscience recommend as part of the core of the story is that DC has gone through a pretty dark and unpleasant period that is being decisively ended.
Flashpoint, the event that led into the dark days of New52 is supposed to be good, though I haven't read it, so you may want to read that, then imagine 4.5 years of grimdark with occasional pockets of good storytelling, then Multiversity which brought back the DC multiverse, and then read Rebirth? I'm sure others who are more long-time DC fans or who stuck with them through New52 can suggest more.
The nice thing about Rebirth is there doesn't appear to have been a lot of lead up to it within the books themselves, I read it having read very little DC other than Grayson in recent years and I got it just fine, but it did feel like having read Flashpoint would have helped.
Geoff Johns does a good job of explaining why Rebirth is a big deal I think. You can go in reading it just fine I believe.
But maybe you should know about:
*Watchmen by Alan Moore and it's unintended impact on comic books.
*The impact of Flashpoint by Geoff Johns
*The impact the New52 had on DC and lots of the complaints it received.
*The recent Final Days of Superman storyline by Tomasi (it's a good read!)
*Convergence (it's pretty mediocre) just know we got pre-flashpoint Superman and Lois and their son in to the current universe. Although, the Convergence tie in by Dan Jurgens is top notch!
*Lastly Geoff Johns' Darkseid War had consequences that led to Rebirth being able to happen story wise[\spoiler]
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Midnighter being able to recognize Nightwing through his face camo tech because he could never forget Dick's butt is still the best goddamn thing
Basically all of Midnighter and Dick's interactions have been fantastic in Grayson, Midnighter, and Batman and Robin Eternal. Their chemistry is amazing
In Grayson
Dick and Tiger are being attacked by the secret cabal trying to take down Spyral and they're getting their asses kicked and Dick says "I've got a present for you" and Midnight pops through one of his doors and the entire cabal just goes "Oh shit"
Has anyone actually checked out Scooby Apocalypse?
Because CA just put an article up on the first issue and uh
UH
(spoilers)
In addition to the company that Velma works for trying to we3 Scooby Doo, they were working on a project that was going to nanite blast all of humanity into subservience
And things went wrong
where's classic Scooby Villains like that one clown guy, man in an olde-timey diver suit, and that timeless essential, sweet jesus, are they actually doing a "witch doctor", good lord the 70s were not sensitive to race issues?
The kid-friendly Scooby-Doo title is still ongoing.
Speaking of Scooby Doo villains, how about the motorcycle-riding zombie ska band that wants to bring ska back from the dead by releasing a song that turns anyone who hears it into a mindless dancing zombie?
something I just realized that I'd forgotten in all of the excitement over Rebirth being a neat thing that has me more excited about DC comics than I have been literally ever before, and that's that just over a week ago Geoff Johns was basically made the Kevin Feige of DC's movies (he's co-boss of DC Films along with Warner's Exec VP)
Hopefully this means the new era of hope and optimism will bleed over into the films as well
Oh, OH
This should have been really obvious but it only just clicked for me
The guy who is steerig DC Comics away from a dark period that took too much inspiration from Watchmen is taking charge of a movie division that has been making overly dark, grim movies... from the director of Watchmen
something I just realized that I'd forgotten in all of the excitement over Rebirth being a neat thing that has me more excited about DC comics than I have been literally ever before, and that's that just over a week ago Geoff Johns was basically made the Kevin Feige of DC's movies (he's co-boss of DC Films along with Warner's Exec VP)
Hopefully this means the new era of hope and optimism will bleed over into the films as well
Oh, OH
This should have been really obvious but it only just clicked for me
The guy who is steerig DC Comics away from a dark period that took too much inspiration from Watchmen is taking charge of a movie division that has been making overly dark, grim movies... from the director of Watchmen
it is pretty great that Snyder is very much one of the chief offenders when it comes to misinterpreting and taking the wrong lessons from Watchmen and now he's somewhat beholden to Johns
i would say the bigger sign of good things to come is that Ben Affleck apparently has a really good relationship with Johns and agrees with a lot of his ideas creatively, and since he was made an Exec Producer on Justice League, he's gaining a bit more of a creative voice on the movie than he had on BvS. i still don't think the movie will be good because Snyder is still directing at the end of the day, but i do think it'll be a step in the right direction
something I just realized that I'd forgotten in all of the excitement over Rebirth being a neat thing that has me more excited about DC comics than I have been literally ever before, and that's that just over a week ago Geoff Johns was basically made the Kevin Feige of DC's movies (he's co-boss of DC Films along with Warner's Exec VP)
Hopefully this means the new era of hope and optimism will bleed over into the films as well
Oh, OH
This should have been really obvious but it only just clicked for me
The guy who is steerig DC Comics away from a dark period that took too much inspiration from Watchmen is taking charge of a movie division that has been making overly dark, grim movies... from the director of Watchmen
it is pretty great that Snyder is very much one of the chief offenders when it comes to misinterpreting and taking the wrong lessons from Watchmen and now he's somewhat beholden to Johns
i would say the bigger sign of good things to come is that Ben Affleck apparently has a really good relationship with Johns and agrees with a lot of his ideas creatively, and since he was made an Exec Producer on Justice League, he's gaining a bit more of a creative voice on the movie than he had on BvS. i still don't think the movie will be good because Snyder is still directing at the end of the day, but i do think it'll be a step in the right direction
Snyder's wife is apparently still a Producer on some of these movies so I think we're going to hear some amazing back stage power struggles in the next few months
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I've read a bunch of trades and graphic novels or course, but by the time I had expendable income to afford single issues we got the dark gritty tone I hated, much preferred diving into the back collection so stuff I actually liked.
So rebirth was very much, yeah, ok, let's see what you got. Now I'm planning on picking up a bunch of the new #1's. So good job DC I guess.
I would not be surprised for it turn out that he isn't even doing this intentionally
And then at the very end they have Manhattan/Ozymandias' final conversation over shots of mars, even in the font used in Watchmen
Apparently they aren't?
So are they gonna be essential, still?
They set up the status quo for the series and are intended to be a barometer of tone and whatnot, the #1s are supposed to function on their own just fine
(Spoilers for Grayson #20)
Man, Grayson, you were such a fun comic
How the hell did that even happen?
And then Dick threw his gun and used it as a makeshift batarang and I started to believe, and it was all good from there.
Abnett says the characters are all beginning to flesh out and remember their old ways now that Wally is back, Donna is no longer an emotionless killing machine, Arsenal realizes that there's a reason he has fallen off the wagon so many times and there is a void in his life he didn't even know he had, etc. And they are going to try and find out what has been messing with them to make them into their very different New 52 selves.
I hate Brett Booth's art but Abnett is a damn good writer and that premise is more than enough to get me on board.
I don't know how much credit for Grayson's writing goes to Tim Seeley or Tom King, and Jackson Lanzing and Collin Kelly did a fine job finishing the story
I haven't read anything else by the others, but King's Vision book for Marvel has also been fantastic, so he's definitely a writer I'm going to be paying attention to. I'm also excited to have King writing Batman and Seeley writing Nightwing in Rebirth, and will be checking out both.
Or he very conveniently lost his firearm all the time, and then found it before he could get in trouble
That looks great
Tom King wrote a novel that I've been meaning to read, and I've heard it's quite good!
I'm glad to hear he made Grayson into a great book after the premise sounded like some serious nonsense
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Because CA just put an article up on the first issue and uh
UH
(spoilers)
And things went wrong
Hopefully this means the new era of hope and optimism will bleed over into the films as well
So it seems Titan Hunt, also by Abnett, is gonna be pretty important because that is somewhat the same premise. Although, from the solicits that I've read, it looks like the book was treading water???
where's classic Scooby Villains like that one clown guy, man in an olde-timey diver suit, and that timeless essential, sweet jesus, are they actually doing a "witch doctor", good lord the 70s were not sensitive to race issues?
that's... complicated, in part because to get the full impact you'd probably need to read some crap comics that I couldn't in good conscience recommend as part of the core of the story is that DC has gone through a pretty dark and unpleasant period that is being decisively ended.
Flashpoint, the event that led into the dark days of New52 is supposed to be good, though I haven't read it, so you may want to read that, then imagine 4.5 years of grimdark with occasional pockets of good storytelling, then Multiversity which brought back the DC multiverse, and then read Rebirth? I'm sure others who are more long-time DC fans or who stuck with them through New52 can suggest more.
The nice thing about Rebirth is there doesn't appear to have been a lot of lead up to it within the books themselves, I read it having read very little DC other than Grayson in recent years and I got it just fine, but it did feel like having read Flashpoint would have helped.
Then comics were mean and ugly
They're going to be fun and good again
But maybe you should know about:
*The impact of Flashpoint by Geoff Johns
*The impact the New52 had on DC and lots of the complaints it received.
*The recent Final Days of Superman storyline by Tomasi (it's a good read!)
*Convergence (it's pretty mediocre) just know we got pre-flashpoint Superman and Lois and their son in to the current universe. Although, the Convergence tie in by Dan Jurgens is top notch!
*Lastly Geoff Johns' Darkseid War had consequences that led to Rebirth being able to happen story wise[\spoiler]
Basically all of Midnighter and Dick's interactions have been fantastic in Grayson, Midnighter, and Batman and Robin Eternal. Their chemistry is amazing
In Grayson
The kid-friendly Scooby-Doo title is still ongoing.
Let's Play Final Fantasy 'II' (Ch10 - 5/17/10)
(Also, what happens a few seconds after the end of that video is pretty great too)
It is representative of an entire genre of kids television and honestly its the only one of those that could at all be considered good.
It's teens solving mysteries
What is there to not understand?
Oh, OH
This should have been really obvious but it only just clicked for me
The guy who is steerig DC Comics away from a dark period that took too much inspiration from Watchmen is taking charge of a movie division that has been making overly dark, grim movies... from the director of Watchmen
it is pretty great that Snyder is very much one of the chief offenders when it comes to misinterpreting and taking the wrong lessons from Watchmen and now he's somewhat beholden to Johns
i would say the bigger sign of good things to come is that Ben Affleck apparently has a really good relationship with Johns and agrees with a lot of his ideas creatively, and since he was made an Exec Producer on Justice League, he's gaining a bit more of a creative voice on the movie than he had on BvS. i still don't think the movie will be good because Snyder is still directing at the end of the day, but i do think it'll be a step in the right direction
Snyder's wife is apparently still a Producer on some of these movies so I think we're going to hear some amazing back stage power struggles in the next few months