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    DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    Yeah
    Does he have any editorial powers?

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Wonder Woman sounds pretty fuckin' good
    CBR News: Greg, your initial "Wonder Woman" run was marked by a "real world" focus on the gods in the book, dressing them in modern clothes and with modern attitudes. I feel like that the New 52 version of book shares some DNA with that approach, particularly Brian Azzarello and Cliff Chiang's work. Have you been looking back to your past run and thinking about what it shares in common with Wonder Woman today, and will you lean into or away from it in Rebirth?

    Greg Rucka: One of the things that Liam and Nic and I and Mark Doyle, who's editing the book with his terrific team, discussed early on is that having played with the gods significantly, and seeing how Brian had done so in his run, we kind of wanted to dial that back. I think we were all in agreement that we wanted the gods to be mysterious and powerful. And Liam -- he can probably talk about this better than I -- is even more interested in mythology of the globe and from different cultures than even I am.

    I'd been looking back at some of the classic Greek myths, and when people meet gods in those stories, it does not go well for them. It's never good to actually look on the face of a god. There were really only one or two stories I can think of from back then where looking directly at a god does not immediately result in your dying. And in the one that I am thinking of, which is the story of Psyche, she doesn't die when she meets a god, but she does suffer for it before she finally wins her guy. So we wanted to re-imbue the sense of power and majesty of the divine in this book somewhat.

    I've read everything [in "Wonder Woman"] since I left, so the goal of this is not to be "This is a continuation of Greg's run." The goal is that this is a continuation of Wonder Woman's story. Since it's cast in the light of "Rebirth," one of the things we're all working really hard at doing is reconciling some of the incredible inconsistencies that have arisen in the 75-year history of the character.

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    Nicola Scott: I feel like the focus on Diana as a warrior for the last ten years has been a little bit too defining. It's as though that's viewed as her most interesting trait, but I feel like it's just something that she can do. She can do it really, really well -- probably as good as anyone else in the universe -- but really, when you look at her history, she comes from a race of very skilled warriors who chose to escape an era of war thousands of years ago and are not active warriors. They're keeping their skills up, and she's incredibly gifted and skilled and powered. But I just don't find that in any way her most interesting trait. It's just something that's in her arsenal.

    What we're focusing on in "Year One" is more of her personality in every other way. It's that she has an innocence and a compassion and a belief in people. We want her to be challenged, but sometimes when someone as awesome as Diana is believes in you, it's hard not to live up to it. I feel like that's the aspect of the story that is important for the audience to really understand about Diana. It's something that the readers will see as this progresses. People can't help but be their best selves when faced with her belief in them.

    Liam Sharp: Yeah, she sort of embodies what's best in humanity. She's got the wisdom of ages, and she's got the audience of the gods, but she's also got the pragmatism of a scientist. I think that's one of the things that makes this series so compelling for any readers, really. She embodies the best of everybody. But like with everybody else, shit happens. [Laughs] Things happen in her life, and she has to deal with that. There's a human side too. By the time we get to "Year Ten," her world has really been rocked, and she's on shifting sands a bit. She has some bit questions. There's an element of quest about my story, which is really intriguing. There are a lot of questions, and while I know some of the answers, I know Greg has got a few up his sleeve, which are fun to wait for.

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    Rucka: I think that's a really good point. When I was on "Wonder Woman" the first time, it was an uphill battle to convince some people to try it. There were guys who just said, "Well, it's 'Wonder Woman' so I don't pick it up." I do think that it's not that it's gender-specific, but that it wasn't always viewed as accessible. We want Diana to be accessible.

    Scott: Yeah. For the longest time, DC has put Diana on the pedestal, but because of the audience interest she hasn't really been supported. She hasn't been portrayed in a way that fought that status. But certainly in the last couple of years and this year in particular because of the film, because of Grant Morrison's "Earth One" and because of Renae De Liz's "Legend of Wonder Woman," it feels like the audience is really waking up to the fact that this character is really important. And they're showing up. I feel like that's really fantastic and that we're really lucky because we get to do something of significance with this character at a significant time.

    Sharp: I want to be clear: I'm not trying to say that our book should skew towards a male audience. I believe this is a book for absolutely everybody, and I don't want to seem like I'm trying to drag it away the people who have been loyal to it for a very long time. I think, as a team, we're very sensitive to that.

    Rucka: And that's in keeping with Diana. What you have is a hero who the most overtly inclusive. She has room for everyone. Everyone is welcome.

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    For those wondering about how much influence Johns has over Rebirth and DC in regards to his renewed focus on optimism and heroics in their comics, evidently he meets with all of the Editors once a week and has input on all of the books, and met with the writers of each title (either in person or on Skype) for 4-6 hours to shape up its direction and offer advice and ideas.

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    DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    That sounds neat

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    Mr. GMr. G Registered User regular
    Put shock collars on all the writers that buzz them whenever there starts to be too much Hot Topic going on

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    Mr. GMr. G Registered User regular
    New editorial rule: in each issue, the central character has to stop at least one crime committed by a person carrying a burlap sack with "$$$" symbols on it

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    DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    edited May 2016
    Mr. G wrote: »
    New editorial rule: in each issue, the central character has to stop at least one crime committed by a person carrying a burlap sack with "$$$" symbols on it

    I would actually love this

    Or giant old timey bombs

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    I guess they put out one more page from Rebirth before release
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    Yeah

    Yeah

    Gimme that shit

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    So Geoff Johns has offered a, for real, personal money back guarantee for anyone who buys Rebirth and doesn't enjoy it. If you mail him your copy and proof of purchase, he will send you a check for 2.99 plus postage. Dang.

    Also another pretty surprising thing that shows Johns might have had this planned longer than expected
    He introduced a mysterious new character named Oz in his Superman run from a couple years ago, who was heavily cloaked and shrouded and supposedly trained New 52 Superman when he was younger and constantly monitored him via a massive bank of screens and talked to someone who was locked behind a massive door.

    He shows up again, for the first time since Superman, in the Rebirth special to speak to Pre-Flashpoint Superman a cryptic message and say that "friend or foe lose meaning when playing the long game."

    Speculation is that he is, in fact, Ozymandias.

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    wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    So Geoff Johns has offered a, for real, personal money back guarantee for anyone who buys Rebirth and doesn't enjoy it. If you mail him your copy and proof of purchase, he will send you a check for 2.99 plus postage. Dang.

    Also another pretty surprising thing that shows Johns might have had this planned longer than expected
    He introduced a mysterious new character named Oz in his Superman run from a couple years ago, who was heavily cloaked and shrouded and supposedly trained New 52 Superman when he was younger and constantly monitored him via a massive bank of screens and talked to someone who was locked behind a massive door.

    He shows up again, for the first time since Superman, in the Rebirth special to speak to Pre-Flashpoint Superman a cryptic message and say that "friend or foe lose meaning when playing the long game."

    Speculation is that he is, in fact, Ozymandias.

    Is that the John Romita Jr drawn Superman run?

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Yeah, that's the one.

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    wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    Yeah, that's the one.

    Been meaning to get that now that the trade version is finally out.

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Two more Rebirth Preview pages dropped

    This time featuring Blue Beetles and a surprise guest
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    A Blue Beetle book with Doctor Fate and Ted Kord playing My Two Dads with Jaime is basically designed to appeal to me

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    ArmorocArmoroc Registered User regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    So Geoff Johns has offered a, for real, personal money back guarantee for anyone who buys Rebirth and doesn't enjoy it. If you mail him your copy and proof of purchase, he will send you a check for 2.99 plus postage. Dang.

    Also another pretty surprising thing that shows Johns might have had this planned longer than expected
    He introduced a mysterious new character named Oz in his Superman run from a couple years ago, who was heavily cloaked and shrouded and supposedly trained New 52 Superman when he was younger and constantly monitored him via a massive bank of screens and talked to someone who was locked behind a massive door.

    He shows up again, for the first time since Superman, in the Rebirth special to speak to Pre-Flashpoint Superman a cryptic message and say that "friend or foe lose meaning when playing the long game."

    Speculation is that he is, in fact, Ozymandias.

    Wow... I recently read that and was wondering what the deal was with him. Cool stuff!

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    I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    why does ted kord slowly develop eye problems and madness over those pages

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    why does ted kord slowly develop eye problems and madness over those pages
    Gary Frank is a good artist who can be bad at faces sometimes

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    wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    How was the post-Johns Yang Superman run that was also drawn by JRJ?

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    So Geoff Johns has offered a, for real, personal money back guarantee for anyone who buys Rebirth and doesn't enjoy it. If you mail him your copy and proof of purchase, he will send you a check for 2.99 plus postage. Dang.

    Also another pretty surprising thing that shows Johns might have had this planned longer than expected
    He introduced a mysterious new character named Oz in his Superman run from a couple years ago, who was heavily cloaked and shrouded and supposedly trained New 52 Superman when he was younger and constantly monitored him via a massive bank of screens and talked to someone who was locked behind a massive door.

    He shows up again, for the first time since Superman, in the Rebirth special to speak to Pre-Flashpoint Superman a cryptic message and say that "friend or foe lose meaning when playing the long game."

    Speculation is that he is, in fact, Ozymandias.

    Nobody is gonna go through all that trouble to return a comic and receive a check for 3 bucks that they have to then cash.

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    LarsLars Registered User regular
    RE: Blue Beetles
    Am I the only one that reads that as Ted Kord having never been the Blue Beetle?

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    Desert LeviathanDesert Leviathan Registered User regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    So Geoff Johns has offered a, for real, personal money back guarantee for anyone who buys Rebirth and doesn't enjoy it. If you mail him your copy and proof of purchase, he will send you a check for 2.99 plus postage. Dang.

    Also another pretty surprising thing that shows Johns might have had this planned longer than expected
    He introduced a mysterious new character named Oz in his Superman run from a couple years ago, who was heavily cloaked and shrouded and supposedly trained New 52 Superman when he was younger and constantly monitored him via a massive bank of screens and talked to someone who was locked behind a massive door.

    He shows up again, for the first time since Superman, in the Rebirth special to speak to Pre-Flashpoint Superman a cryptic message and say that "friend or foe lose meaning when playing the long game."

    Speculation is that he is, in fact, Ozymandias.

    Nobody is gonna go through all that trouble to return a comic and receive a check for 3 bucks that they have to then cash.

    I think you underestimate the capacity for Nerds to be petty about Nerd Media.

    And the likelihood that your standard Seriously Disgruntled Fan will have more than one book on their pull list.

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    StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
    Rebirth is a single book, so unless people are buying multiple copies of the same book and then proceeding to dislike it enough to send them all to him, that shouldn't be a problem.

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    ArmorocArmoroc Registered User regular
    wirehead26 wrote: »
    How was the post-Johns Yang Superman run that was also drawn by JRJ?

    In my opinion all of the DCYOU stuff was good. It was strong... until the hammer came down from higher up. As for Yang's Superman it was good and then it got better when Superman gets a Lucha Libre type gig for a bit (I enjoyed that bit :) ). Everything got mediocre to just ok when the Savage Dawn storyline kicked in so fair warning.

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    wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    Armoroc wrote: »
    wirehead26 wrote: »
    How was the post-Johns Yang Superman run that was also drawn by JRJ?

    In my opinion all of the DCYOU stuff was good. It was strong... until the hammer came down from higher up. As for Yang's Superman it was good and then it got better when Superman gets a Lucha Libre type gig for a bit (I enjoyed that bit :) ). Everything got mediocre to just ok when the Savage Dawn storyline kicked in so fair warning.

    So I'm probably OK with just the Johns and Yang/JRJR run. I'm fine with that.

    Course the damn trade for the Yang stuff isn't out till November. Eh, might find some back issues.

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    OwenashiOwenashi Registered User regular
    Lars wrote: »
    RE: Blue Beetles
    Am I the only one that reads that as Ted Kord having never been the Blue Beetle?
    The N52 version hasn't. As far as anyone knows, Jamie was the first and only one.

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
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    This promo image probably has more smiles in it than all of the New 52

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    wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    But I'm an admitted JRJR fan and will read anything with his art.

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    JayKaosJayKaos Registered User regular
    Wait - is that Lex Luthor in a robotic Superman suit on top left? That's amazing.

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    OwenashiOwenashi Registered User regular
    Hey, someone remembered that Billy shared his powers with his foster siblings.

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Owenashi wrote: »
    Hey, someone remembered that Billy shared his powers with his foster siblings.
    I'm glad they aren't abandoning that, the Shazam story from Justice League is one of the few really fun, optimistic things in the New 52 and I love it a bunch

    Johns wrote it too

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    OwenashiOwenashi Registered User regular
    JayKaos wrote: »
    Wait - is that Lex Luthor in a robotic Superman suit on top left? That's amazing.

    He probably heard what happened to Superman and was like "Alright, my time to really shine now that I don't have to worry about HIM!" and then pre-FP Clark shows up at the same time he unveils his 'tribute' armor and things get very awkward very quickly.

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    Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    oh hey Vixen, I see you there all tiny in the back

    dear DC: give Vixen her own series

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    Garlic BreadGarlic Bread i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a Registered User, Disagreeable regular
    oh hey Vixen, I see you there all tiny in the back

    dear DC: give Vixen her own series

    She's one of the few on there that I don't remember being in any of the solicited stories

    Others are the Shazam family, Zatanna, Deadman, Etrigan, Firestorm, Martian Manhunter, and that Legion dude(?) in the bottom left

    Also Atom, but he's featured in the Rebirth special

    Is that a new Arsenal costume behind Deathstroke or a character I'm not recognizing?

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    Diablo FettDiablo Fett Registered User regular
    Keith wrote: »
    oh hey Vixen, I see you there all tiny in the back

    dear DC: give Vixen her own series

    She's one of the few on there that I don't remember being in any of the solicited stories

    Others are the Shazam family, Zatanna, Deadman, Etrigan, Firestorm, Martian Manhunter, and that Legion dude(?) in the bottom left

    Also Atom, but he's featured in the Rebirth special

    Is that a new Arsenal costume behind Deathstroke or a character I'm not recognizing?

    it's Arsenal

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    BionicPenguinBionicPenguin Registered User regular
    It looks like DC might have finally realized what Marvel's doing right...

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    DysDys how am I even using this gun Registered User regular
    Is that Etrigan in the back there?

    I don't k ow how often that guy shows up, but seeing him included is reminding me of Batman: The Brave and The Bold in a really good way.

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    Garlic BreadGarlic Bread i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a Registered User, Disagreeable regular
    Keith wrote: »
    oh hey Vixen, I see you there all tiny in the back

    dear DC: give Vixen her own series

    She's one of the few on there that I don't remember being in any of the solicited stories

    Others are the Shazam family, Zatanna, Deadman, Etrigan, Firestorm, Martian Manhunter, and that Legion dude(?) in the bottom left

    Also Atom, but he's featured in the Rebirth special

    Is that a new Arsenal costume behind Deathstroke or a character I'm not recognizing?

    it's Arsenal

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    An okay. The splash makes it look more like a cowl than a hat since it's so far back.

    DC seems to be learning some lessons from the New 52 but they're still putting Scott Lobdell and Brett Booth on books I'd like to read so

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    Diablo FettDiablo Fett Registered User regular
    i can't believe Lobdell is still writing Red Hood

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    It looks like DC might have finally realized what Marvel's doing right...

    By characterizing (actual spoilers:)
    their own company's marketing agenda as the villain in their reboot saga?

    It takes some cahones to base your new universe around the concept of the old guard poisoning the previous universe.

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    I guess Seth Meyers is doing a thing with Geoff Johns on Late Night tonight

    I knew Meyers is a comics fan, dude wrote a Spider-Man story with some other SNL folks, but apparently his favorite DC character is Blue Beetle!

    You got good taste, Seth Meyers.

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    DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    I guess Seth Meyers is doing a thing with Geoff Johns on Late Night tonight

    I knew Meyers is a comics fan, dude wrote a Spider-Man story with some other SNL folks, but apparently his favorite DC character is Blue Beetle!

    You got good taste, Seth Meyers.

    I don't know if it's still the case, but his twitter avatar was the Blue Beetle for years

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