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  • Atlas in ChainsAtlas in Chains Registered User regular
    Talith wrote: »
    Most likely it checks if it can disembark into water from the starting city and then path it's way to the international city through the tradepost network.

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    Going to have to test out this situation, where city one is land locked but has this micro lake harbor and city 2 is bordering it (for fresh water) but has a harbor with maritime access. Would the trader be able to disembark in the harbor then happily embark at the city center, walk over to the harbor, disembark again and then go on its merry international way?

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    Unfortunately that doesn't work.

    Think it would work if both cities were moved 1 tile south west? The route originates in the city tile, not the harbor, so if the cities are on the water, it might go.

  • TalithTalith 変態という名の紳士 Miami, FLRegistered User regular
    edited March 30
    Think it would work if both cities were moved 1 tile south west? The route originates in the city tile, not the harbor, so if the cities are on the water, it might go.

    Definitely something to try out.

    Actually I know from another game that if I had placed Evora on the sand tile then it would have been acted as a canal even before the tech is researched, so Guarda would have been able to trade with Buenos Aires early on.

    What I was hoping for though was that harbor and city trade route shenanigans would have allowed international trade. I guess this answers the question of the landlocked lake harbor. Better connect it with a series of canals to the ocean or learn to live with domestic trading.

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    At ;least adding the canal works, as expected, but the trader doesn't bother going through the city for the trade route bonus.

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  • Mr_RoseMr_Rose 83 Blue Ridge Protects the Holy Registered User regular
    Have Hercules build a canal and see if that changes anything?

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  • TalithTalith 変態という名の紳士 Miami, FLRegistered User regular
    Now this I don't understand.

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    Guarda here has a harbor with maritime access, and the trade route goes THROUGH two international stops traveling half way around the world just to trade domestically

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Was bored with emperor, so bumped it up to immortal...and rolled Bolivar. So did I really increase the difficulty level at all? (I'm rolling after crushing Portugal and all their beautiful campuses they built for me).

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  • MvrckMvrck Registered User regular
    Talith wrote: »
    Now this I don't understand.
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    Guarda here has a harbor with maritime access, and the trade route goes THROUGH two international stops traveling half way around the world just to trade domestically

    What I'm assuming is happening here is that you don't have a trading post in Canal City or Porto, so the trader wouldn't refresh it's movement to be able to reach Ponta Delgada. Thus it has to go all the way up to wherever the heck is is off the screen, to get to the movement refresh. If I'm counting right, it's ~20 or so tiles from whatever city it's looping through, and ~24 going "straight" from Guarda.

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  • TalithTalith 変態という名の紳士 Miami, FLRegistered User regular
    Mvrck wrote: »
    Talith wrote: »
    Now this I don't understand.
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    Guarda here has a harbor with maritime access, and the trade route goes THROUGH two international stops traveling half way around the world just to trade domestically

    What I'm assuming is happening here is that you don't have a trading post in Canal City or Porto, so the trader wouldn't refresh it's movement to be able to reach Ponta Delgada. Thus it has to go all the way up to wherever the heck is is off the screen, to get to the movement refresh. If I'm counting right, it's ~20 or so tiles from whatever city it's looping through, and ~24 going "straight" from Guarda.

    Considering the amount of hills, jungles, and forests involved it's also a lot faster too I'm sure. But it's going through two foreign cities to refresh the route, disembarking on one of them to travel by foot to the other...all for a 1/1 domestic route. Just let me trade with those cities game D: Canal city has 6 feitorias and its right there waiting to make me more money.

    I closed out that game making 6000 gold a turn. I donated 50K to my korean teammate to get them a science win easier, but around turn 140 I also decided hey why not race him with a culture victory and what felt like almost overnight I had a fully upgraded theater district in every city with archeologists scouring the world for their ancient artifacts. I was also just buying everyone elses great works because sure I'll take them all for 1K each who cares. I was 2 turns away from a culture win around 220~ but my teammate managed to finish the science win first. The power of endless money is really impressive, even against deity.

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  • ToxTox I kill threads he/himRegistered User regular
    So if I get Civ VI Platinum and Frontier Pass, then that's ... everything, right? So far?

  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    I found a ridiculous city site, maybe I'll post a screenshot later. Took a small gamble to make it great, but pulled it off. So it's on a desert river and every tile in the first ring is a desert flood plain with three sugar and a rice. Got that pantheon, which then pumped out Etemenanki. So now those tiles are obscene. And then every other tile except one in range of this city is a desert with maybe a dozen desert hills. Obviously Petra time.

    No idea how I got both on Immortal in my third city, but sure. Now it's just an absolute beast of a city.

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  • The Escape GoatThe Escape Goat incorrigible ruminant they/themRegistered User regular
    I found a ridiculous city site, maybe I'll post a screenshot later. Took a small gamble to make it great, but pulled it off. So it's on a desert river and every tile in the first ring is a desert flood plain with three sugar and a rice. Got that pantheon, which then pumped out Etemenanki. So now those tiles are obscene. And then every other tile except one in range of this city is a desert with maybe a dozen desert hills. Obviously Petra time.

    No idea how I got both on Immortal in my third city, but sure. Now it's just an absolute beast of a city.

    Do you have any coast to build a Mausoleum for the fabled Triple Petra city?

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  • MvrckMvrck Registered User regular
    I've been flailing hard this weekend trying for a Culture victory on Diety. Feels like RNG is just hammering me, my continents always have insane amounts of a few luxuries, then I see each AI has like 3/3 of others for a full monopoly. 3 games run through and just winding up like 20 turns short pumping out insane amounts of Tourism (1200+), while I watch my spies fail over and over to disrupt rocketry and lose to Science victories.

    Not sure what I need to do to optimize and bring down my culture victory time (though I know the "correct" answer is to swap to a tech victory if I notice the AI getting to the Moon landing and not being in a position to stop them with Spies or military).

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  • ToxTox I kill threads he/himRegistered User regular
    Looks like the patch dropped?

  • JusticeforPlutoJusticeforPluto Registered User regular
    I dont see any notes or news about it. There is a new launcher for a 2k games. Yay?

  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Just the launcher, says Civ Fanatics.

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  • Jealous DevaJealous Deva Registered User regular
    edited April 7
    Mvrck wrote: »
    I've been flailing hard this weekend trying for a Culture victory on Diety. Feels like RNG is just hammering me, my continents always have insane amounts of a few luxuries, then I see each AI has like 3/3 of others for a full monopoly. 3 games run through and just winding up like 20 turns short pumping out insane amounts of Tourism (1200+), while I watch my spies fail over and over to disrupt rocketry and lose to Science victories.

    Not sure what I need to do to optimize and bring down my culture victory time (though I know the "correct" answer is to swap to a tech victory if I notice the AI getting to the Moon landing and not being in a position to stop them with Spies or military).

    Culture kind of sucks as a victory type (along with religion) because one really strong AI at high difficulty can really fuck you and basically make it impossible. Unlike diplomacy or science where you can have several strong contenders but one can squeak over the line and win or conquest which pushes you towards decisive showdowns.

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  • SanderJKSanderJK Crocodylus Pontifex Sinterklasicus Madrid, 3000 ADRegistered User regular
    Mvrck wrote: »
    I've been flailing hard this weekend trying for a Culture victory on Diety. Feels like RNG is just hammering me, my continents always have insane amounts of a few luxuries, then I see each AI has like 3/3 of others for a full monopoly. 3 games run through and just winding up like 20 turns short pumping out insane amounts of Tourism (1200+), while I watch my spies fail over and over to disrupt rocketry and lose to Science victories.

    Not sure what I need to do to optimize and bring down my culture victory time (though I know the "correct" answer is to swap to a tech victory if I notice the AI getting to the Moon landing and not being in a position to stop them with Spies or military).

    Culture kind of sucks as a victory type (along with religion) because one really strong AI at high difficulty can really fuck you and basically make it impossible. Unlike diplomacy or science where you can have several strong contenders but one can squeak over the line and win or conquest which pushes you towards decisive showdowns.

    And as a result those victories sometimes ask you to break the economic power, or take their best producing cities with war. Now I don't play at those difficulties, so I don't really know the optimal timing.....

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  • Jealous DevaJealous Deva Registered User regular
    edited April 7
    SanderJK wrote: »
    Mvrck wrote: »
    I've been flailing hard this weekend trying for a Culture victory on Diety. Feels like RNG is just hammering me, my continents always have insane amounts of a few luxuries, then I see each AI has like 3/3 of others for a full monopoly. 3 games run through and just winding up like 20 turns short pumping out insane amounts of Tourism (1200+), while I watch my spies fail over and over to disrupt rocketry and lose to Science victories.

    Not sure what I need to do to optimize and bring down my culture victory time (though I know the "correct" answer is to swap to a tech victory if I notice the AI getting to the Moon landing and not being in a position to stop them with Spies or military).

    Culture kind of sucks as a victory type (along with religion) because one really strong AI at high difficulty can really fuck you and basically make it impossible. Unlike diplomacy or science where you can have several strong contenders but one can squeak over the line and win or conquest which pushes you towards decisive showdowns.

    And as a result those victories sometimes ask you to break the economic power, or take their best producing cities with war. Now I don't play at those difficulties, so I don't really know the optimal timing.....

    Yeah I have never done a diety culture win, but most of the ones people write about on reddit or civfanatics involve reaching dominance over the non-cultural focused civs by doing the usual culture things and also shivving the main cultural competitors with early wars or late game nukes.

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  • ToxTox I kill threads he/himRegistered User regular
    Meanwhile I'm over here on Settler difficulty trying to avoid multiple Dark Ages.... /n00b

  • JusticeforPlutoJusticeforPluto Registered User regular
    Dark Ages are a super unfun mechanic.

    Mostly because it is impossible to keep cities by force, even with overwhelming numbers.

  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    That game mode is super annoying.

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  • Jealous DevaJealous Deva Registered User regular
    edited April 8
    They are bad in the sense that they are a new player trap, if you know how to prepare and mitigate the penalties they can actually be really beneficial, but if you are new and don’t know the game they can just screw you over without the solutions being obvious.

    Edit: unless on Dramatic Age mode, which just turns them into a cluster.

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  • TalithTalith 変態という名の紳士 Miami, FLRegistered User regular
    So far I'm leaving Apocalypse mode and Dramatic Ages off. I like the barriers and traps but zombies are super god damn annoying as they currently are, so I'm probably turning it off going forward. The way they just randomly spawn and then immediately attack is probably the biggest reason. If there was some kind of warning or way of knowing approximately where they are coming from and then just have more of them come more often it would be better. I've never had to use the zombie related projects, even in a domination game which presumably produces more zombies. The anti-zombie tools have never actually been used against zombies themselves either, just against two deity AI that decided at the same time I look like a free meal.

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  • Ivan HungerIvan Hunger Registered User regular
    As a mostly peaceful player who's good at keeping the A.I. placated through diplomacy, I appreciate how Dramatic Ages mode and Zombie Defense mode punish me for being complacent with my military. It's a few extra speedbumps on my road to creating an unstoppably efficient infrastructure, as I inevitably do every game.

  • MvrckMvrck Registered User regular
    So, I completely revamped what I was doing, and have gotten a trio of culture victories since my last post.

    Weirdly, delaying my culture push has seemed to really help. I'll grab a theater square if I wind up with a really good one, but otherwise just focusing on getting trade routes, and at least one solid production center, and mass expanding like mad. I have had some insanely bad luck with luxuries and monopolies, but this latest game I fixed that by making sure I grabbed Anansi right away, and just ran him around nuking all my neighbors copies of a pair of resources. First resummon went to my other neighbor and eat theirs. 3 monopolies headed into the mid to late game made my less modest tourism counts do the heavy lifting, and I won via culture just after the first moon landing project went off.

    Oh, and I just made sure that I built mines, mines, and more mines. I chopped anywhere and everywhere I possibly good, placed a million mines down and everything ramped real, real hard. My last major flaw I have to work on is I consistently neglect getting a diplomatic quarter. I can never seem to find the right timing to get it down in my capital.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Yes, hammers are the key to this version of Civ and enable every other victory type. Culture victories come from having lots of hammers, not lots of culture.

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  • MvrckMvrck Registered User regular
    Yes, hammers are the key to this version of Civ and enable every other victory type. Culture victories come from having lots of hammers, not lots of culture.

    Like the Potato says "Production is king".

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  • SnicketysnickSnicketysnick The Greatest Hype Man in WesterosRegistered User regular


    True Start Earth, trebuckets! buffs!

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    My last two starts have been coastal capitals with Sinbad by turn 25. He's such a stupid fucking hero. Here's like 3400 gold, 4 era score, and probably some eurekas. Also if you feel like taking a coastal city go ahead.

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  • The Escape GoatThe Escape Goat incorrigible ruminant they/themRegistered User regular
    heroes & legends just seems like a bad mode, between sinbad and hercules being pants-on-head busted and anansi just being super annoying game design

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  • Jealous DevaJealous Deva Registered User regular


    True Start Earth, trebuckets! buffs!

    It will be interesting to see how the buffs work out... I would have thought Columbia and Babylon were straight out broken OP but they ended up still being weaker than Russia or some other top tier civs.

  • JusticeforPlutoJusticeforPluto Registered User regular
    All the Heroes are kinda busted in combat. IMO it's not fun to have one unit that can solo a whole army from the same era.

    The only two modes I would play with 24/7 are Secret Societies and Corporations and Monopolies.

    I say would cause Monopolies make Cultural victories easy and the AI has no idea how to combat them.

  • The Escape GoatThe Escape Goat incorrigible ruminant they/themRegistered User regular
    edited April 12
    but the Monopolies mode taught me is that
    1) the global resources tab exists
    2) with that tab, you can realize the AI just doesn't improve any of their luxuries even at emperor-diety level
    3) that explains why they're always so willing to pay 20gpt for a single luxury, I guess

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Amenities don't apply to them, basically.

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  • ToxTox I kill threads he/himRegistered User regular
    I think the most curious thing for me is, apparently the Man-at-Arms and the Line Infantry are both regular melee units, which means the Atomic age is the only era that the Melee combat unit doesn't get an upgrade.

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