You know, what I'm sort of hoping they're not setting up
is a magical off-button for the white walkers. Showing how the first ones were made, I worry is giving some "kill this one to deactivate the entire army" way out, which I'm so tired of seeing in films and shows where people stand against overwhelming odds. I mean, I trust the show to deliver a satisfying payoff because I feel like it's managed that well enough so far, but I'd just hate for it to come down to "there's no hope, there's too many of them, Bran can you warg into the big boss and turn them all off, thanks".
You know, what I'm sort of hoping they're not setting up
is a magical off-button for the white walkers. Showing how the first ones were made, I worry is giving some "kill this one to deactivate the entire army" way out, which I'm so tired of seeing in films and shows where people stand against overwhelming odds. I mean, I trust the show to deliver a satisfying payoff because I feel like it's managed that well enough so far, but I'd just hate for it to come down to "there's no hope, there's too many of them, Bran can you warg into the big boss and turn them all off, thanks".
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You know, what I'm sort of hoping they're not setting up
is a magical off-button for the white walkers. Showing how the first ones were made, I worry is giving some "kill this one to deactivate the entire army" way out, which I'm so tired of seeing in films and shows where people stand against overwhelming odds. I mean, I trust the show to deliver a satisfying payoff because I feel like it's managed that well enough so far, but I'd just hate for it to come down to "there's no hope, there's too many of them, Bran can you warg into the big boss and turn them all off, thanks".
I'm fully expecting your standard Independence Day/Lord of the Rings/general invasion movie trope of everyone banding together and fighting the hordes long enough so that the main character can do whatever he needs to in order to kill the big bad, which makes all the minions die/disintegrate/stand down. It's gonna have to be something like that because no matter how many troops they have, they're not gonna win a straightforward man-to-man battle against an enemy that can resurrect everyone they kill.
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I would find it kinda funny if
The white walkers were just a red herring and Bran ends up defeating them all while the real problems are, indeed, all the bullshit political problems down south.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
You know, what I'm sort of hoping they're not setting up
is a magical off-button for the white walkers. Showing how the first ones were made, I worry is giving some "kill this one to deactivate the entire army" way out, which I'm so tired of seeing in films and shows where people stand against overwhelming odds. I mean, I trust the show to deliver a satisfying payoff because I feel like it's managed that well enough so far, but I'd just hate for it to come down to "there's no hope, there's too many of them, Bran can you warg into the big boss and turn them all off, thanks".
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Yeah that's really what sparked my train of thought.
I guess... more realistically, I'm hoping that if they do do it like that, and like Houk says they kind of have to with the sheer size of the army, there's at least a satisfying way for it to go down.
Considering how many times ASOIAF has subverted genre tropes before, I would be extremely surprised/disappointed if things went down that way. Because that would be playing into them completely.
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And guys, unless the show writing is just ass terrible, then
Marg is playing at being a convert.
Because if she was a true convert she would be demonizing her brother since he is a sword swallower. But she played him up as being an innocent after her 'conversion'.
Tommen just happens to be a moron so she can't trust him with anything.
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And guys, unless the show writing is just ass terrible, then
Marg is playing at being a convert.
Because if she was a true convert she would be demonizing her brother since he is a sword swallower. But she played him up as being an innocent after her 'conversion'.
Tommen just happens to be a moron so she can't trust him with anything.
Tommen is naïve and what not, but I think she actually could have trusted him with this one. One of, if not his single biggest asset is his loyalty. I am really sure that Tommen would pretty much do anything she tells him to without question. He trusts everyone he loves implicitly, to have his best interest at heart...because he does the same. Which is astoundingly stupid in the world he lives in making him super easy to manipulate by those in power. But it also makes him crazy endearing. I believe they all honestly want to keep him around not just for the potential gain but because they love him. It probably protects him more than anything else ever could.
And guys, unless the show writing is just ass terrible, then
Marg is playing at being a convert.
Because if she was a true convert she would be demonizing her brother since he is a sword swallower. But she played him up as being an innocent after her 'conversion'.
Tommen just happens to be a moron so she can't trust him with anything.
Tommen is naïve and what not, but I think she actually could have trusted him with this one, one of, if not his single biggest asset is his loyalty. I am really sure that Tommen would pretty much do anything she tells him to without question. He trust everyone he loves implicitly to have his best interest at heart...because he does the same. Which is astoundingly stupid in the world he lives in making him super easy to manipulate by those in power. But I also makes him crazy endearing. I believe they all honestly want to keep him around not just for the potential gain but because they love him. It probably protects him more than anything else ever could.
I disagree. M knows full well that Sparrow has been talking to him. Telling him it was just an act would almost certainly result in Sparrow finding out.
And guys, unless the show writing is just ass terrible, then
Marg is playing at being a convert.
Because if she was a true convert she would be demonizing her brother since he is a sword swallower. But she played him up as being an innocent after her 'conversion'.
Tommen just happens to be a moron so she can't trust him with anything.
Tommen is naïve and what not, but I think she actually could have trusted him with this one, one of, if not his single biggest asset is his loyalty. I am really sure that Tommen would pretty much do anything she tells him to without question. He trust everyone he loves implicitly to have his best interest at heart...because he does the same. Which is astoundingly stupid in the world he lives in making him super easy to manipulate by those in power. But I also makes him crazy endearing. I believe they all honestly want to keep him around not just for the potential gain but because they love him. It probably protects him more than anything else ever could.
I disagree. M knows full well that Sparrow has been talking to him. Telling him it was just an act would almost certainly result in Sparrow finding out.
She even asks him this question directly, to which he answers "yes, quite a lot". She then rapidly gauges his current position by asking a leading question along the lines of "he's very..." and leaving it open for him to fill in.
I don't think she could have told Tommen. He's just too young and innocent, and he has no understanding that the people around him may have hidden agendas.
Especially in that moment, because I'm pretty sure that 99% of his happiness in getting to have her free and back at the castle was at the prospect of getting to have sex again.
You know, what I'm sort of hoping they're not setting up
is a magical off-button for the white walkers. Showing how the first ones were made, I worry is giving some "kill this one to deactivate the entire army" way out, which I'm so tired of seeing in films and shows where people stand against overwhelming odds. I mean, I trust the show to deliver a satisfying payoff because I feel like it's managed that well enough so far, but I'd just hate for it to come down to "there's no hope, there's too many of them, Bran can you warg into the big boss and turn them all off, thanks".
I'm fully expecting your standard Independence Day/Lord of the Rings/general invasion movie trope of everyone banding together and fighting the hordes long enough so that the main character can do whatever he needs to in order to kill the big bad, which makes all the minions die/disintegrate/stand down. It's gonna have to be something like that because no matter how many troops they have, they're not gonna win a straightforward man-to-man battle against an enemy that can resurrect everyone they kill.
You know what can though?
Dragons
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And guys, unless the show writing is just ass terrible, then
Marg is playing at being a convert.
Because if she was a true convert she would be demonizing her brother since he is a sword swallower. But she played him up as being an innocent after her 'conversion'.
Tommen just happens to be a moron so she can't trust him with anything.
Tommen is naïve and what not, but I think she actually could have trusted him with this one, one of, if not his single biggest asset is his loyalty. I am really sure that Tommen would pretty much do anything she tells him to without question. He trust everyone he loves implicitly to have his best interest at heart...because he does the same. Which is astoundingly stupid in the world he lives in making him super easy to manipulate by those in power. But I also makes him crazy endearing. I believe they all honestly want to keep him around not just for the potential gain but because they love him. It probably protects him more than anything else ever could.
I disagree. M knows full well that Sparrow has been talking to him. Telling him it was just an act would almost certainly result in Sparrow finding out.
I agree it was probably smart not too...because he could have easily screwed it up, but I am saying she could have trusted him to do what she wants. I don't doubt for a second he would go along with it. It is often smart to not tell a screwup what your real plan is, my thinking is it may cost her a bit in the end when he feels betrayed/ manipulated by her dishonesty here. Of course she probably has faith that he is so dense she can mend that fence with ease.
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And guys, unless the show writing is just ass terrible, then
Marg is playing at being a convert.
Because if she was a true convert she would be demonizing her brother since he is a sword swallower. But she played him up as being an innocent after her 'conversion'.
Tommen just happens to be a moron so she can't trust him with anything.
Tommen is naïve and what not, but I think she actually could have trusted him with this one, one of, if not his single biggest asset is his loyalty. I am really sure that Tommen would pretty much do anything she tells him to without question. He trust everyone he loves implicitly to have his best interest at heart...because he does the same. Which is astoundingly stupid in the world he lives in making him super easy to manipulate by those in power. But I also makes him crazy endearing. I believe they all honestly want to keep him around not just for the potential gain but because they love him. It probably protects him more than anything else ever could.
I disagree. M knows full well that Sparrow has been talking to him. Telling him it was just an act would almost certainly result in Sparrow finding out.
I agree it was probably smart not too...because he could have easily screwed it up, but I am saying she could have trusted him to do what she wants. I don't doubt for a second he would go along with it. It is often smart to not tell a screwup what your real plan is, my thinking is it may cost her a bit in the end when he feels betrayed/ manipulated by her dishonesty here. Of course she probably has faith that he is so dense she can mend that fence with ease.
latest ep, marge
at the moment I'm not thinking it will really come to a "feels betrayed/manipulated," because i don't see this being something where a week or two from now she's like haha suckers, I'm chillin in my castle now, the faith can get fuuuuucked
i could see her making an honest go of co-opting this movement to wholly best cersei and retain the love of the common people, alongside ol tom-tom
her power moves in the series thus far have, after all, been about forging alliances at the right times with the right people with soft power, not about "i got on their good side... and then i executed them all" (even if she didn't totally orchestrate them all, she's been very clear-eyed in her dealings with people and her place in the world i think)
And guys, unless the show writing is just ass terrible, then
Marg is playing at being a convert.
Because if she was a true convert she would be demonizing her brother since he is a sword swallower. But she played him up as being an innocent after her 'conversion'.
Tommen just happens to be a moron so she can't trust him with anything.
Tommen is naïve and what not, but I think she actually could have trusted him with this one, one of, if not his single biggest asset is his loyalty. I am really sure that Tommen would pretty much do anything she tells him to without question. He trust everyone he loves implicitly to have his best interest at heart...because he does the same. Which is astoundingly stupid in the world he lives in making him super easy to manipulate by those in power. But I also makes him crazy endearing. I believe they all honestly want to keep him around not just for the potential gain but because they love him. It probably protects him more than anything else ever could.
I disagree. M knows full well that Sparrow has been talking to him. Telling him it was just an act would almost certainly result in Sparrow finding out.
I agree it was probably smart not too...because he could have easily screwed it up, but I am saying she could have trusted him to do what she wants. I don't doubt for a second he would go along with it. It is often smart to not tell a screwup what your real plan is, my thinking is it may cost her a bit in the end when he feels betrayed/ manipulated by her dishonesty here. Of course she probably has faith that he is so dense she can mend that fence with ease.
His innocence and sincerity makes Tommen an interesting character to me because it's so different than what everyone else is doing. And it seems like it's going to cost him dearly, which ok yes is sad and going to be a hard watch but he's
at what, 3 'masters' now? He loves his mother, and wants to make her happy. He loves Margaery, and wants to make her happy. He seems to be taking Sparrow's counsel to heart, and wants to do right by him. But Tommen doesn't have enough experience to manage all three at the same time, and I'm not sure if anyone could, especially when at least one of those three is not the most stable person emotionally/mentally/what have you.
I don't know if I'm reading too much into it but the show seems to be conveying the slow burning toll this is taking on Tommen very well, he always seems stressed and worried in all of his recent scenes. Which... sucks because as you said, he's so endearing and you just want the best for him, but GOT doesn't tend to reward that kind of hope.
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dany, latest ep
how y'all think that offscreen horse-to-dragon transition went for the horse
how y'all think that offscreen horse-to-dragon transition went for the horse
I'm sure it went well
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I'm starting to doubt Dany as a good ruler. I feel like she's in the wrong mindset for it, and that going in scorching everything to the ground is not going to be effective at all.
I'm starting to doubt Dany as a good ruler. I feel like she's in the wrong mindset for it, and that going in scorching everything to the ground is not going to be effective at all.
This is not as unpopular of an opinion as you might think
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
I'm starting to doubt Dany as a good ruler. I feel like she's in the wrong mindset for it, and that going in scorching everything to the ground is not going to be effective at all.
There is significant evidence that
she is a horrible ruler
My favorite bits in the books are winks to
How Aegon the conqueror created the Iron Throne, full of barbs and sharp edges, because he thought a ruler should never sit easy.
And on Dany's second session in the books, she's got a bunch of cushions for her ebony bench.
WINK WINK
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I'm starting to doubt Dany as a good ruler. I feel like she's in the wrong mindset for it, and that going in scorching everything to the ground is not going to be effective at all.
She suffers from a fairly large case of the Mission Accomplished Banners and is definitely due for a big surprise when she rolls up on Kings Landing and no one gives a shit about her.
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Anyway, with my prac I have a lot of lesson plans to write so I've been rewatching game of thrones in the background.
Danny season two is super boring!
But Rob's arc made me really enjoy season two, things actually happen in westeros. I mean if I think about the entire power struggles since, the political ones have been fine, but there was really nothing like Rob's army heading down causing trouble.
I think the show is maybe starting to pivot to setting Dany up as a heel. Her riding around on dragons giving speeches about burning houses and killing people seemed kind of....bad.
Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
I'm starting to doubt Dany as a good ruler. I feel like she's in the wrong mindset for it, and that going in scorching everything to the ground is not going to be effective at all.
She suffers from a fairly large case of the Mission Accomplished Banners and is definitely due for a big surprise when she rolls up on Kings Landing and no one gives a shit about her.
On the contrary.
Given how much the Lannisters have fucked things up and how much stock people put by the Targ bloodline and dragons in general...they will give many shits.
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If she rolled into my village with her dragons I'd be all there with a spear saying "back off a minute, why do you want the throne anyway other than I want it, its mine? How are you going to deal with the politics?" I know she's got Tyrion but I dunno I am losing faith.
if she ever has the dragons rain fire on King's Landing, the entire city could potentially explode. Tyrion didn't find all the wildfire caches around the city.
I'm starting to doubt Dany as a good ruler. I feel like she's in the wrong mindset for it, and that going in scorching everything to the ground is not going to be effective at all.
I agree, but at the same time there's kind of a "I swear to god if you westeros kids don't knock it off I'm gonna turn this targaryen around and then no more iron suits or stone houses for any of you" thing going on in my head when things are at their nastiest
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Liiya. Listen.
You are not listening to the part of your Englishperson self that craves a monarchy.
The average Westerosi peasant is stupid as shit.
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if she ever has the dragons rain fire on King's Landing, the entire city could potentially explode. Tyrion didn't find all the wildfire caches around the city.
Potentially nothing. It will happen.
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Like, remember that A Song of Ice and Fire is based on a poem that...well. I guess I can spoil this:
Is about the world ending in either fire or ice.
So the explosion of King's Landing is gonna happen.
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You are not listening to the part of your Englishperson self that craves a monarchy.
The average Westerosi peasant is stupid as shit.
I'm cool with a monarchy
just not one that thinks the way of winning people over is by terrifying them into submission - that does not last. Thats why I'm backing Margery, she knows how to win over heart and minds, thats much more effective. I get the impression if she'd done the walk of Atonement the crowd's reaction would have been much much different.
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Yeah that's really what sparked my train of thought.
Because if she was a true convert she would be demonizing her brother since he is a sword swallower. But she played him up as being an innocent after her 'conversion'.
Tommen just happens to be a moron so she can't trust him with anything.
In short Marg is an OG.
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Especially in that moment, because I'm pretty sure that 99% of his happiness in getting to have her free and back at the castle was at the prospect of getting to have sex again.
You know what can though?
latest ep, marge
i could see her making an honest go of co-opting this movement to wholly best cersei and retain the love of the common people, alongside ol tom-tom
her power moves in the series thus far have, after all, been about forging alliances at the right times with the right people with soft power, not about "i got on their good side... and then i executed them all" (even if she didn't totally orchestrate them all, she's been very clear-eyed in her dealings with people and her place in the world i think)
Daenerys getting the seat would almost certainly be a real "dog chasing the car" situation, what would she even do without that goal ahead
Margaery is definitely a master manipulator, but I don't think she's actually fucked anyone over that didn't have it coming, like Cersei
She's, by all appearances, a totally decent lady that just happens to also recognize the game and plays it just as hard as anybody else
His innocence and sincerity makes Tommen an interesting character to me because it's so different than what everyone else is doing. And it seems like it's going to cost him dearly, which ok yes is sad and going to be a hard watch but he's
I don't know if I'm reading too much into it but the show seems to be conveying the slow burning toll this is taking on Tommen very well, he always seems stressed and worried in all of his recent scenes. Which... sucks because as you said, he's so endearing and you just want the best for him, but GOT doesn't tend to reward that kind of hope.
I'm sure it went well
Ser Pounce was a just king you take that back
So, dead by the end of this season, then.
She's been queen for like 3 years!
Better than the horse to horse transition in silicon valley the other week.
Satans..... hints.....
My favorite bits in the books are winks to
And on Dany's second session in the books, she's got a bunch of cushions for her ebony bench.
WINK WINK
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Danny season two is super boring!
But Rob's arc made me really enjoy season two, things actually happen in westeros. I mean if I think about the entire power struggles since, the political ones have been fine, but there was really nothing like Rob's army heading down causing trouble.
Satans..... hints.....
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On the contrary.
I agree, but at the same time there's kind of a "I swear to god if you westeros kids don't knock it off I'm gonna turn this targaryen around and then no more iron suits or stone houses for any of you" thing going on in my head when things are at their nastiest
The average Westerosi peasant is stupid as shit.
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Is about the world ending in either fire or ice.
So the explosion of King's Landing is gonna happen.
just not one that thinks the way of winning people over is by terrifying them into submission - that does not last. Thats why I'm backing Margery, she knows how to win over heart and minds, thats much more effective. I get the impression if she'd done the walk of Atonement the crowd's reaction would have been much much different.