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[The Olympics] Rio 2016! (Maybe)

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  • dispatch.odispatch.o Registered User regular
    edited June 2016
    My concern would be the solution to hide the sewage stench will be to dump a bunch of chlorine in the bay and hope no one noticed.

    You wouldn't go to a restaurant built on a sewer plant processing pond.

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  • AstaleAstale Registered User regular
    edited June 2016
    Mr Khan wrote: »
    A thought i'd been having reading this, is that the athletes from developing countries really shouldn't care, and that people from advanced countries nopeing out because they can't stand to encounter a two-week touristy version of what Brazilians have to live with seems a tad elitist.

    I mean, ideally issues of class and global inequality shouldn't factor in, it should be about the competition and the infrastructure of a host country getting in the way of the competition is a bad thing, but the sentiment of "oh, those poor French/Israeli/Japanese athletes having to go deal with that" comes off wrong.

    If I travel somewhere, and find out my planned lodgings are swarmed with mosquitos, is it 'elitist' to be concerned about catching a disease?

    Because if it is, oh well.

    I mean, I get that there are plenty of athletes that 'train all their lives' for this kind of thing, and wouldn't say no even if they were going into a warzone to participate.
    Which is why, frankly, the countries themselves need to start stepping in and pulling out.

    It's not like it hasn't been done before. It's just that instead of world powers having a pissing match, it's "oh jesus this place should be condemned".

    Astale on
  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Yes, if you want anything done it's got to be at the national or above level where entire countries basically start getting together and saying "We won't compete under these conditions".

    Asking individual athletes to do so is ridiculous. And also a collective action problem.

  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Mr Khan wrote: »
    A thought i'd been having reading this, is that the athletes from developing countries really shouldn't care, and that people from advanced countries nopeing out because they can't stand to encounter a two-week touristy version of what Brazilians have to live with seems a tad elitist.

    I mean, ideally issues of class and global inequality shouldn't factor in, it should be about the competition and the infrastructure of a host country getting in the way of the competition is a bad thing, but the sentiment of "oh, those poor French/Israeli/Japanese athletes having to go deal with that" comes off wrong.

    Since when is "I don't want to swim in literal shit" elitist? WTF is this silliness?

  • WassermeloneWassermelone Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    Mr Khan wrote: »
    A thought i'd been having reading this, is that the athletes from developing countries really shouldn't care, and that people from advanced countries nopeing out because they can't stand to encounter a two-week touristy version of what Brazilians have to live with seems a tad elitist.

    I mean, ideally issues of class and global inequality shouldn't factor in, it should be about the competition and the infrastructure of a host country getting in the way of the competition is a bad thing, but the sentiment of "oh, those poor French/Israeli/Japanese athletes having to go deal with that" comes off wrong.

    Since when is "I don't want to swim in literal shit" elitist? WTF is this silliness?

    It also assumes that the people living there have a choice and wouldn't want to nope the fuck out to a place that is doesn't have sewage water and viruses that cause horrifying birth defects.

    ALSO the people living there probably have way better resistances to their local sewage water than people living in cleaner countries. So athletes being worried about going there is probably pretty warranted.

  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    edited June 2016
    I feel sad for the athletes when stuff like this happens, and it's constantly happening. They spent their whole lives preparing for this moment, and this is what they get for it.

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  • Mr KhanMr Khan Not Everyone WAHHHRegistered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    Mr Khan wrote: »
    A thought i'd been having reading this, is that the athletes from developing countries really shouldn't care, and that people from advanced countries nopeing out because they can't stand to encounter a two-week touristy version of what Brazilians have to live with seems a tad elitist.

    I mean, ideally issues of class and global inequality shouldn't factor in, it should be about the competition and the infrastructure of a host country getting in the way of the competition is a bad thing, but the sentiment of "oh, those poor French/Israeli/Japanese athletes having to go deal with that" comes off wrong.

    Since when is "I don't want to swim in literal shit" elitist? WTF is this silliness?

    It's definitely in the mentality in question. Brazilians deserve better than that, of course, but the conditions of the water in Rio is closer to the mean of what most people in the world have to deal with, and i feel like the frame of this is coming off that people just want to avoid or ignore the problems of the developing world instead of taking this as a learning moment and a time to call for making things better in a manner that is not, effectively, poor-shaming.

    It's a complicated thought, i'll grant.

  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited June 2016
    Mr Khan wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Mr Khan wrote: »
    A thought i'd been having reading this, is that the athletes from developing countries really shouldn't care, and that people from advanced countries nopeing out because they can't stand to encounter a two-week touristy version of what Brazilians have to live with seems a tad elitist.

    I mean, ideally issues of class and global inequality shouldn't factor in, it should be about the competition and the infrastructure of a host country getting in the way of the competition is a bad thing, but the sentiment of "oh, those poor French/Israeli/Japanese athletes having to go deal with that" comes off wrong.

    Since when is "I don't want to swim in literal shit" elitist? WTF is this silliness?

    It's definitely in the mentality in question. Brazilians deserve better than that, of course, but the conditions of the water in Rio is closer to the mean of what most people in the world have to deal with, and i feel like the frame of this is coming off that people just want to avoid or ignore the problems of the developing world instead of taking this as a learning moment and a time to call for making things better in a manner that is not, effectively, poor-shaming.

    It's a complicated thought, i'll grant.

    No, this is fucking silly. It's people saying "I don't want to swim in literal shit". That many people around the world swim in literal shit already is deplorable, not a sign that the people who don't want to do so are elitist.

    People don't want to avoid the problems of the developing world, they want to avoid swimming in shit. And think other people should to.

    This argument of yours is just getting ridiculous.

    shryke on
  • ScooterScooter Registered User regular
    Acquired immunity is definitely a thing. It really is a higher risk for foreigners to travel to a new place when it comes to picking up diseases. Hell, I've got like a 1 in 3 chance of catching a bug just from visiting my family an hour away, it seems.

    Not that plenty of Brazilians don't also get sick.

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  • dispatch.odispatch.o Registered User regular
    So a lot of very early reports out of Sochi were really damning. I get that Putin is a villain in the eyes of the west so it may be a little easier to be critical, same with Bejing in 2008. How much traction can be expected for reports critical of Brazil with legitimate articles about the implications the games will have to the normal everyday slum citizens? I don't think Brazil has the resources to just "North Korea" the populace they don't want on TV, though recent olympics do make it seem like that sort of thing is condoned.

    Does the will exist to be critical of a country that treats people like shit but isn't part of the "them" we've built up as an easy boogeyman enemy? If it does, who do folks believe will actually report on it?

  • SealSeal Registered User regular
    It'll probably be news for a while then, people will forget about it because Brazil isn't where they live. Meanwhile various international sporting organizations will continue to allow horrid despot run hell holes to host games based on the size and number of bribes presented to them.

    Best case scenario at this point is maybe a whole lot of people don't go to Brazil and Zika doesn't spread quite as far and as fast as feared.

  • AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    Today show host Savanna Guthrie is opting out of going to Brazil, citing her pregnancy as the primary factor in her decision.

  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    Atomika wrote: »
    Today show host Savanna Guthrie is opting out of going to Brazil, citing her pregnancy as the primary factor in her decision.

    Can't say I blame her.

  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    I feel sad for the athletes when stuff like this happens, and it's constantly happening. They spent their whole lives preparing for this moment, and this is what they get for it.

    Now instead of Cold War political boycotts, we get IOC corruption to the point where attending the games is risking your life.

    Not sure which is better.

  • a5ehrena5ehren AtlantaRegistered User regular
    edited June 2016
    KalTorak wrote: »
    I feel sad for the athletes when stuff like this happens, and it's constantly happening. They spent their whole lives preparing for this moment, and this is what they get for it.

    Now instead of Cold War political boycotts, we get IOC corruption to the point where attending the games is risking your life.

    Not sure which is better.

    Zika is not a life-threatening disease. You just get kinda sick and then your future children are at a higher risk of microencephalopathy forever. Which sucks (don't get me wrong), but it isn't ebola.

    There might be other stuff in the water that would cause more acute sickness, but anyone competing (and let's be honest, any foreign spectators who can afford to go to Rio) will probably have access to medical care to handle it.

    a5ehren on
  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    "Don't worry about the shit water you have good medical care" is not something I'd want to hear if I were an athlete.

    Not to mention Brazil had a very public video'd gang rape their police aren't doing shit about. God forbid that happens to a spectator or an athlete during the olympics.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

    pleasepaypreacher.net
  • LostNinjaLostNinja Registered User regular
    KalTorak wrote: »
    I feel sad for the athletes when stuff like this happens, and it's constantly happening. They spent their whole lives preparing for this moment, and this is what they get for it.

    Now instead of Cold War political boycotts, we get IOC corruption to the point where attending the games is risking your life.

    Not sure which is better.

    Corrupt IOC is worse.
    a5ehren wrote: »
    KalTorak wrote: »
    I feel sad for the athletes when stuff like this happens, and it's constantly happening. They spent their whole lives preparing for this moment, and this is what they get for it.

    Now instead of Cold War political boycotts, we get IOC corruption to the point where attending the games is risking your life.

    Not sure which is better.

    Zika is not a life-threatening disease. You just get kinda sick and then your future children are at a higher risk of microencephalopathy forever. Which sucks (don't get me wrong), but it isn't ebola.

    There might be other stuff in the water that would cause more acute sickness, but anyone competing (and let's be honest, any foreign spectators who can afford to go to Rio) will probably have access to medical care to handle it.

    I thought it was just a two year danger zone?

  • a5ehrena5ehren AtlantaRegistered User regular
    edited June 2016
    LostNinja wrote: »
    KalTorak wrote: »
    I feel sad for the athletes when stuff like this happens, and it's constantly happening. They spent their whole lives preparing for this moment, and this is what they get for it.

    Now instead of Cold War political boycotts, we get IOC corruption to the point where attending the games is risking your life.

    Not sure which is better.

    Corrupt IOC is worse.
    a5ehren wrote: »
    KalTorak wrote: »
    I feel sad for the athletes when stuff like this happens, and it's constantly happening. They spent their whole lives preparing for this moment, and this is what they get for it.

    Now instead of Cold War political boycotts, we get IOC corruption to the point where attending the games is risking your life.

    Not sure which is better.

    Zika is not a life-threatening disease. You just get kinda sick and then your future children are at a higher risk of microencephalopathy forever. Which sucks (don't get me wrong), but it isn't ebola.

    There might be other stuff in the water that would cause more acute sickness, but anyone competing (and let's be honest, any foreign spectators who can afford to go to Rio) will probably have access to medical care to handle it.

    I thought it was just a two year danger zone?

    I'm not 100% on the latest theories. My most recent check (several months ago) said it could live dormant in the nervous system for longer than they expected, but I don't know if they put an upper bound on that.

    a5ehren on
  • Jubal77Jubal77 Registered User regular
    I love the Olympics. To the point I watch Curling just because it is an "Olympic sport". But even with my love for watching the worlds athletes compete this just seems wrong. Plus as everyone knows from Plague Inc you infect the Olympics for the easy win.

  • LostNinjaLostNinja Registered User regular
    Jubal77 wrote: »
    I love the Olympics. To the point I watch Curling just because it is an "Olympic sport". But even with my love for watching the worlds athletes compete this just seems wrong. Plus as everyone knows from Plague Inc you infect the Olympics for the easy win.

    Crap! This could get really bad guys, especially if someone upgraded Zika's air transmission already.

  • see317see317 Registered User regular
    LostNinja wrote: »
    Jubal77 wrote: »
    I love the Olympics. To the point I watch Curling just because it is an "Olympic sport". But even with my love for watching the worlds athletes compete this just seems wrong. Plus as everyone knows from Plague Inc you infect the Olympics for the easy win.

    Crap! This could get really bad guys, especially if someone upgraded Zika's air transmission already.

    Be right back, got to move to Madagascar before they lock down the country because someone in Cuba got a case of the sniffles.

  • ShortyShorty touching the meat Intergalactic Cool CourtRegistered User regular
    Jubal77 wrote: »
    I love the Olympics. To the point I watch Curling just because it is an "Olympic sport". But even with my love for watching the worlds athletes compete this just seems wrong. Plus as everyone knows from Plague Inc you infect the Olympics for the easy win.

    I can sit and watch curling for hours and hours

  • AsharadAsharad Registered User regular
    Shorty wrote: »
    Jubal77 wrote: »
    I love the Olympics. To the point I watch Curling just because it is an "Olympic sport". But even with my love for watching the worlds athletes compete this just seems wrong. Plus as everyone knows from Plague Inc you infect the Olympics for the easy win.

    I can sit and watch curling for hours and hours

    I am glad to hear this because I thought I was the only one. I love curling, despite never having curled or even spoken to some who has curled. I have to look up the rules every four years because I forget them.

    It's almost meditative.

  • ShortyShorty touching the meat Intergalactic Cool CourtRegistered User regular
    I literally don't even know the rules

    all I know is "put rocks in middle"

    this does not diminish my capacity for enjoying it even a tiny bit

  • PhyphorPhyphor Building Planet Busters Tasting FruitRegistered User regular
    Shorty wrote: »
    I literally don't even know the rules

    all I know is "put rocks in middle"

    this does not diminish my capacity for enjoying it even a tiny bit

    You get a point for each stone closer to the centre (and still inside the outer ring) than your opponent's closest stone. That's basically it

  • jefe414jefe414 "My Other Drill Hole is a Teleporter" Mechagodzilla is Best GodzillaRegistered User regular
    edited June 2016
    Ice boccie. I myself enjoy watching it during the Olympics.

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  • hippofanthippofant ティンク Registered User regular
    Phyphor wrote: »
    Shorty wrote: »
    I literally don't even know the rules

    all I know is "put rocks in middle"

    this does not diminish my capacity for enjoying it even a tiny bit

    You get a point for each stone closer to the centre (and still inside the outer ring) than your opponent's closest stone. That's basically it

    There is one other important rule that you can't remove guard rocks (rocks above/in front of the circle) in the first four shots. This is to prevent the winning team from just clearing out the entire sheet with every shot. You probably won't ever notice it unless someone f-s it up, but that's why there are almost always rocks on the sheet, which keeps the game interesting.

  • The WolfmanThe Wolfman Registered User regular
    And screaming.

    Always screaming.

    Do they have to scream? Probably not.

    But they'll scream anyways.

    "The sausage of Green Earth explodes with flavor like the cannon of culinary delight."
  • Disco11Disco11 Registered User regular
    And screaming.

    Always screaming.

    Do they have to scream? Probably not.

    But they'll scream anyways.

    That's what happens when the official drink of your sport is Tim Hortons coffee.

    PSN: Canadian_llama
  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    I used to date a girl who was into curling.

    Those people can party.

    We're reading Rifts. You should too. You know you want to. Now With Ninjas!

    They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
  • LostNinjaLostNinja Registered User regular
    edited June 2016
    Does the sweeping actually make a difference or do they just need to give the other people something to do?

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  • SnicketysnickSnicketysnick The Greatest Hype Man in WesterosRegistered User regular
    It partially melts the ice to allow the stone to slide a bit further iirc

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  • PhyphorPhyphor Building Planet Busters Tasting FruitRegistered User regular
    LostNinja wrote: »
    Does the sweeping actually make a difference or do they just need to give the other people something to do?

    It really does

    Someone invented a broom that was considerably more effective at sweeping, and the big professional teams refused to use them and they are banned from competition

  • hippofanthippofant ティンク Registered User regular
    LostNinja wrote: »
    Does the sweeping actually make a difference or do they just need to give the other people something to do?

    It clears the ice, meaning the rocks go further and curl (curve) less.

  • Doctor DetroitDoctor Detroit Not a doctor Tree townRegistered User regular
    Zika may not be life-threatening to adults, but I don't really want to live out Children of Men, you know?

  • The WolfmanThe Wolfman Registered User regular
    You're whipping a 40 pound rock down a sheet of ice. "Yeah, if we didn't sweep it'd just grind to a halt there."

    (Yes, I know sweeping actually makes a massive difference. :))

    "The sausage of Green Earth explodes with flavor like the cannon of culinary delight."
  • ElvenshaeElvenshae Registered User regular
    a5ehren wrote: »
    KalTorak wrote: »
    I feel sad for the athletes when stuff like this happens, and it's constantly happening. They spent their whole lives preparing for this moment, and this is what they get for it.

    Now instead of Cold War political boycotts, we get IOC corruption to the point where attending the games is risking your life.

    Not sure which is better.

    Zika is not a life-threatening disease. You just get kinda sick and then your future children are at a higher risk of microencephalopathy forever. Which sucks (don't get me wrong), but it isn't ebola.

    That seems a pretty callous point of view, to me.

  • a5ehrena5ehren AtlantaRegistered User regular
    edited June 2016
    Elvenshae wrote: »
    a5ehren wrote: »
    KalTorak wrote: »
    I feel sad for the athletes when stuff like this happens, and it's constantly happening. They spent their whole lives preparing for this moment, and this is what they get for it.

    Now instead of Cold War political boycotts, we get IOC corruption to the point where attending the games is risking your life.

    Not sure which is better.

    Zika is not a life-threatening disease. You just get kinda sick and then your future children are at a higher risk of microencephalopathy forever. Which sucks (don't get me wrong), but it isn't ebola.

    That seems a pretty callous point of view, to me.

    Areas where zika is endemic have seen significant increases in microencephalopathy. In the given example, the number for an entire state in Brazil went from 10 to 141. Again, this is bad, but it isn't ebola or a fucking Children of Men "no more babies" apocalypse.

    To answer my own question from earlier, the CDC currently believes that women cannot pass zika to future babies once the virus is cleared from their bloodstream. They also go on to say that based on similar viruses, you are likely immune after the first infection.

    a5ehren on
  • ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    a5ehren wrote: »
    Elvenshae wrote: »
    a5ehren wrote: »
    KalTorak wrote: »
    I feel sad for the athletes when stuff like this happens, and it's constantly happening. They spent their whole lives preparing for this moment, and this is what they get for it.

    Now instead of Cold War political boycotts, we get IOC corruption to the point where attending the games is risking your life.

    Not sure which is better.

    Zika is not a life-threatening disease. You just get kinda sick and then your future children are at a higher risk of microencephalopathy forever. Which sucks (don't get me wrong), but it isn't ebola.

    That seems a pretty callous point of view, to me.

    Areas where zika is endemic have seen significant increases in microencephalopathy. In the given example, the number for an entire state in Brazil went from 10 to 141. Again, this is bad, but it isn't ebola or a fucking Children of Men "no more babies" apocalypse.

    To answer my own question from earlier, the CDC currently believes that women cannot pass zika to future babies once the virus is cleared from their bloodstream. They also go on to say that based on similar viruses, you are likely immune after the first infection.

    Which, yeah, it's not Ebola bad. But it's bad, and I certainly can't blame the athletes for not wanting to risk it.

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