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ThomamelasThomamelas Only one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered User regular
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So this is the bridge that changed air warfare. It's the Hàm Rồng bridge in the Thanh Hóa Province of Vietnam. In the early part of the Vietnam war, US Command realized that taking out Vietnam's bridge infrastructure would be critical to winning the war. So Operation Rolling Thunder was began. And high on it's list of targets was the Hàm Rồng bridge. Which the Vietnamese also realized. They built up the area around it with AA defenses. And on April 3, 1965, the US Air Force sent 79 aircraft at that bridge. 46 of them were F-105 Thunderchiefs armed with a mixture of 750 lbs bombs and Bulldog missiles. All of the F-105s delivered their payloads to no effect. But the two flights of four Vietnamese MiG-17s managed one kill each each on the Air Force and Navy escorts respectively. In return one Vietnamese MiG was shot down.

The next day, US Forces tried again. 46 more F-105s would try again with F-100 flying MiGCAP. But the F-100s stayed out of the way of the AA guns. They spotted the flight of 8 MiG-17s diving on the F-105s but their transmissions were garbled and the F-105s found themselves engaged. The F-100 found themselves unable to engage due to fears of shooting the F-105s with their missiles. Three American aircraft were shot down, with seven confirmed kills on North Vietnamese aircraft. The bridge remained undamaged.

Operation Rolling Thunder would continue and aircraft losses would mount. But what the fight demonstrated is that that the MiG-17 was capable of engaging in a dog fight with fighters one and two generations newer. There would be other attempts to damage the bridge but it wasn't until 1972 that a flight of A-7s dropping 8,000 pound and 2,000 pound guided bombs were able to sink it. The US forces considered it wrecked and removed it from the targeting list. The North Vietnamese rebuilt it in under a year.

The lesson of possible parity was taken by the Air Force and Navy in different ways. The Air Force saw their losses at Hàm Rồng and in Rolling Thunder as a technological issue. They saw it as gaps in radar coverage and the need for better missiles. This lead to improvements to the F-4 and the development of the AWACS platforms. The Navy saw their losses as a pilot training issue and focused on the development of dog-fighter tactics with the creation of United States Navy Strike Fighter Tactics Instructor Program, much more commonly known as Top Gun.

Both branches realized the importance of guided munitions of heavier weight. It was becoming clearer from historical analysis of WWII and their lack of success killing bridges that Strategic bombing campaigns in which you drop lots and lots of bombs and hope they hit something did not work against targets smaller than cities.

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    nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    Nova C is great

    cuz hes like the only person in chat older than me

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    DelmainDelmain Registered User regular
    Never get the NYT

    I had to get it one fucking semester in college because of a Psych teacher that was an asshole

    They still mail me monthly (I have no idea how or why they keep tracking me when I move) asking me to re-enroll.

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    ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User regular
    brian if i subscribe to the paper that means i have more paper to recycle and more recycling is good right?

    Allegedly a voice of reason.
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    japanjapan Registered User regular
    In answer to your previous question I'm not certain that uncracked iphones actually exist

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    syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products regular
    edited June 2016
    I got a 95 on the millenial thing

    That survey was dumb. It was a bunch of questions written by olds and what they think defines a "millenial" not what actually does, which is absolutely nothing.

    A few of my coworkers are "millenials" who read the wall street journal, have conservative politics, watches lots of TV, at least genuflect in the direction of a church and actively engage in politics.

    I am a gen-Xer, but apparently I am more millenial than people 13 years my junior?

    syndalis on
    SW-4158-3990-6116
    Let's play Mario Kart or something...
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    NecoNeco Worthless Garbage Registered User regular
    edited June 2016
    That quiz says I am a 97 in millenialism.

    Neco on
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    ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User regular
    japan wrote: »
    In answer to your previous question I'm not certain that uncracked iphones actually exist

    i haven't cracked mine yet, nor the two i had before

    so like in five or so total years no cracked iphones

    Allegedly a voice of reason.
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    syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products regular
    Nova C is great

    cuz hes like the only person in chat older than me

    O_o

    SW-4158-3990-6116
    Let's play Mario Kart or something...
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    ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User regular
    but also i dunno i hardly ever drop my phone either i must have superpowers

    Allegedly a voice of reason.
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    STATE OF THE ART ROBOTSTATE OF THE ART ROBOT Registered User regular
    Mild NSFW for violence

    https://youtu.be/K5wavxZEkZo

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    Fuzzy Cumulonimbus CloudFuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud Registered User regular
    lots of people wrestling with their inner millennial selves
    embrace it everyone
    100 100 snap finger 100 100

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    zepherinzepherin Russian warship, go fuck yourself Registered User regular
    This thread was created outside the jurisdiction of the admiralty court. I am requesting a judicial determination on the record of this chat.

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    ThomamelasThomamelas Only one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered User regular
    japan wrote: »
    In answer to your previous question I'm not certain that uncracked iphones actually exist

    I tend to be brutally hard on phones too. I suspect I will need to get some sort of case for this phone.

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    Element BrianElement Brian Peanut Butter Shill Registered User regular
    I made a new millennial quiz
    Were you born During or After 1980?
    Yes.
    Millennial

    No.
    Old As Fuck

    Switch FC code:SW-2130-4285-0059

    Arch,
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_goGR39m2k
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    NecoNeco Worthless Garbage Registered User regular
    syndalis wrote: »
    I got a 95 on the millenial thing

    That survey was dumb. It was a bunch of questions written by olds and what they think defines a "millenial" not what actually does, which is absolutely nothing.

    A few of my coworkers are "millenials" who read the wall street journal, have conservative politics, watches lots of TV, at least genuflect in the direction of a church and actively engage in politics.

    I am a gen-Xer, but apparently I am more millenial than people 13 years my junior?


    Well if that's what the quiz says then yes.

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    AiouaAioua Ora Occidens Ora OptimaRegistered User regular
    edited June 2016
    P10 wrote: »
    oh wait i'm actually barely a millennial and might be considered a generation Z-er depending on the bullshit methodology used to talk about the bullshit generations

    get on my lawn

    one of the problems is the traditional generation structure is like, 25ish years each. So if 1985 is the earliest Millennial than genZ didn't even start until the late aughts, they're all in elementary school still

    But we kind of had this cultural revolution as the internet came about and I feel like there's a divide in the millennials between those who grew up with no internet/web 1.0 shit and those who have always had internet and social media.

    Aioua on
    life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
    fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
    that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
    bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
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    ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User regular
    I made a new millennial quiz
    Were you born During or After 1980?
    Yes.
    Millennial

    No.
    Old As Fuck

    faulty quiz as i was both born during 1980 and am old as fuck

    Allegedly a voice of reason.
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    ThomamelasThomamelas Only one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered User regular
    zepherin wrote: »
    This thread was created outside the jurisdiction of the admiralty court. I am requesting a judicial determination on the record of this chat.

    I superglued a bunch of gold fringe on Geth. We're good.

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    kedinikkedinik Captain of Industry Registered User regular
    *vapes millennially*

    I made a game! Hotline Maui. Requires mouse and keyboard.
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    Nova_CNova_C I have the need The need for speedRegistered User regular
    I think Jeffe is older than I am. Spool as well.

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    ElldrenElldren Is a woman dammit ceterum censeoRegistered User regular
    syndalis wrote: »
    I got a 95 on the millenial thing

    That survey was dumb. It was a bunch of questions written by olds and what they think defines a "millenial" not what actually does, which is absolutely nothing.

    A few of my coworkers are "millenials" who read the wall street journal, have conservative politics, watches lots of TV, at least genuflect in the direction of a church and actively engage in politics.

    I am a gen-Xer, but apparently I am more millenial than people 13 years my junior?

    I got a 49

    None of the questions seemed to mean anything

    fuck gendered marketing
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    Nova_CNova_C I have the need The need for speedRegistered User regular
    I'm also great because I'm awesome, which has nothing to do with my age

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    Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    So today at a funeral I met some of my mom's cousins I'd never met before

    One of them immediately said, in a thick Quebec French accent, "You know dat me an' your granfodder, der, we used to go hunting for moose togedder, eh?"

    Jesus christ my family is Canadian

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    zepherinzepherin Russian warship, go fuck yourself Registered User regular
    edited June 2016
    Thomamelas wrote: »
    zepherin wrote: »
    This thread was created outside the jurisdiction of the admiralty court. I am requesting a judicial determination on the record of this chat.

    I superglued a bunch of gold fringe on Geth. We're good.
    I reserve my rights without prejudice UCC 1-207

    *stamp*

    *looks super smug in NASCAR hat*

    zepherin on
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    DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
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    NecoNeco Worthless Garbage Registered User regular
    Elldren wrote: »
    syndalis wrote: »
    I got a 95 on the millenial thing

    That survey was dumb. It was a bunch of questions written by olds and what they think defines a "millenial" not what actually does, which is absolutely nothing.

    A few of my coworkers are "millenials" who read the wall street journal, have conservative politics, watches lots of TV, at least genuflect in the direction of a church and actively engage in politics.

    I am a gen-Xer, but apparently I am more millenial than people 13 years my junior?

    I got a 49

    None of the questions seemed to mean anything

    DID YOU OR DID YOU NOT READ A NEWSPAPER!

    (I agree)

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    bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    pretty sure >= 1985 is millennial anyways, 80-84 are considered the tail end of "gen-x" since we were the generation that still did stuff outside before the internet showed up.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
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    Nova_CNova_C I have the need The need for speedRegistered User regular
    So today at a funeral I met some of my mom's cousins I'd never met before

    One of them immediately said, in a thick Quebec French accent, "You know dat me an' your granfodder, der, we used to go hunting for moose togedder, eh?"

    Jesus christ my family is Canadian

    Were they wearing flannel?

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    ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User regular
    like i can remember pretty much the exact year people who weren't giant nerds started having and knowing how to use computers

    Allegedly a voice of reason.
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    PodlyPodly you unzipped me! it's all coming back! i don't like it!Registered User regular
    praise be to the ringer god bless u bill simmons @y2jake215 @Eddy

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    ElldrenElldren Is a woman dammit ceterum censeoRegistered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    pretty sure >= 1985 is millennial anyways, 80-84 are considered the tail end of "gen-x" since we were the generation that still did stuff outside before the internet showed up.

    I remember the Cold War

    fuck gendered marketing
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    ThomamelasThomamelas Only one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered User regular
    So today at a funeral I met some of my mom's cousins I'd never met before

    One of them immediately said, in a thick Quebec French accent, "You know dat me an' your granfodder, der, we used to go hunting for moose togedder, eh?"

    Jesus christ my family is Canadian

    I'm so sorry.

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    japanjapan Registered User regular
    zepherin wrote: »
    Thomamelas wrote: »
    zepherin wrote: »
    This thread was created outside the jurisdiction of the admiralty court. I am requesting a judicial determination on the record of this chat.

    I superglued a bunch of gold fringe on Geth. We're good.
    I reserve my rights without prejudice UCC 1-207

    *stamp*

    *looks super smug in NASCAR hat*

    Am i addressing zepherin or the legal entity .:ZEP HERIN:.

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    NecoNeco Worthless Garbage Registered User regular
    chat remember when i was in my 20's

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    Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    "it truly symbolizes the simplicity between life and death"

    This person should not be allowed to write sentences

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    programjunkieprogramjunkie Registered User regular
    japan wrote: »
    In answer to your previous question I'm not certain that uncracked iphones actually exist

    I use the Otter case, and mine is as new as the day it was made, basically. I recommend strongly against nice phones without cases.

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    BeNarwhalBeNarwhal The Work Left Unfinished Registered User regular
    Spool is literally a hundred years old

    He has grown children, you guys

    That's the oldest anyone can be

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    spool32spool32 Contrary Library Registered User regular
    It's true

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    YoshisummonsYoshisummons You have to let the dead vote, otherwise you'd just kill people you disagree with!Registered User regular
    I got 60% on that dumb quiz thing and they made it obtuse to figure out what they even defined as millennial which naturally is poison to my hyperactive millennial mind.

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    NecoNeco Worthless Garbage Registered User regular
    Elldren wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    pretty sure >= 1985 is millennial anyways, 80-84 are considered the tail end of "gen-x" since we were the generation that still did stuff outside before the internet showed up.

    I remember the Cold War

    I remember seeing on the news once that they pushed the doomsday clock forward by one minute and I flipped out.

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