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USA Presidential Election 2016: Screams from My Father

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  • Dongs GaloreDongs Galore Registered User regular
    edited July 2016
    Brolo wrote: »
    Jeez, the number of news orgs/journalists saying "Micah X. Johnson" is extremely, extremely gross.

    I don't know Chris Dorner's middle initial. Or Timothy McVeigh's, or Ted Kaczynski's, or Dylan Roof's, or basically any other domestic terrorist's.

    But as soon as there's this opportunity to draw an invisible line in peoples' heads from Malcolm X to a violent man, they fucking leap at the chance. So gross. So insidious.

    To be fair,

    James Earl Ray
    Lee Harvey Oswald
    John Wayne Gacy
    John Wilkes Booth
    Mark David Chapman

    to be fair, this completely misses the point

    That as early as '92 a majority of people didn't even remember who Malcolm X was and that I doubt that's improved since then?

    I don't even think I ever heard him mentioned in any history classes all through college, even.

    Feels real tenuous.

    I... really?

    No american history classes even mentioned the leaders of the Civil Rights movement? It's both pretty recent and incredibly important in the context of today's modern political landscape.


    I can't remember if mine talked about Malcolm X in any detail. He was in the textbook but I don't think we covered him in class.

    Martin Luther King is ubiquitous but I don't think X and Nation of Islam are universally covered at the high school level, probably because NoI is a lot more complex than the MLK story and X has a more contentious legacy

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  • UnbrokenEvaUnbrokenEva HIGH ON THE WIRE BUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered User regular
    I can't remember if he was mentioned in school or learned elsewhere but dang it I know who Malcolm X was and it's not even my country's history

  • SyphonBlueSyphonBlue The studying beaver That beaver sure loves studying!Registered User regular
    We learned about the civil rights movement, but it was Rosa Parks and MLK, I don't remember Malcolm X ever being mentioned.

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  • PhillisherePhillishere Registered User regular
    Anyone who was around in the 90s knows who Malcolm X is. He had a major revival in the '92, with a high profile film about him starring Denzel Washington and the iconic "X" hats and T-shirts showing up all over the place.

  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    We definitely covered the civil rights movement in middle school and high school but Malcolm X was not presented in a very positive light especially compared to MLK

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  • Librarian's ghostLibrarian's ghost Librarian, Ghostbuster, and TimSpork Registered User regular
    We covered Malcom X here but he was born here so it is slightly biased.

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  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    I remember Malcolm X only so far as he was the Magneto to MLK's Professor Xavier.

  • Dongs GaloreDongs Galore Registered User regular
    I checked and apparently Malcolm X is n the AP US History curriculum, but AP courses are advanced electives for fuckin nerds

  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    the study of american history in u.s. secondary schools tends to stop at the point history becomes openly politicized; usually they get to WW2 and then a hagiographic version of the civil rights movement (essentially just MLK and the march on washington.)

    the vietnam war and forward is not really taught prior to undergraduate, essentially because we're still arguing about it in contemporary political culture and it makes people uncomfortable

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  • jgeisjgeis Registered User regular
    I checked and apparently Malcolm X is n the AP US History curriculum, but AP courses are advanced electives for fuckin nerds

    Man, my high school didn't even offer AP classes.

  • OmnipotentBagelOmnipotentBagel floof Registered User regular
    KalTorak wrote: »
    I remember Malcolm X only so far as he was the Magneto to MLK's Professor Xavier.

    This comparison seems incredibly unfair to Martin Luther King, Jr.

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  • -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    KalTorak wrote: »
    I remember Malcolm X only so far as he was the Magneto to MLK's Professor Xavier.

    Bad comparison

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  • DoobhDoobh She/Her, Ace Pan/Bisexual 8-) What's up, bootlickers?Registered User regular
    MLK is not covered very well in textbooks or in popular culture

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  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    I checked and apparently Malcolm X is n the AP US History curriculum, but AP courses are advanced electives for fuckin nerds

    yeah well my AP English class got to go on a three day field trip to the Ashland Shakespeare Festival, so

  • Rorshach KringleRorshach Kringle that crustache life Registered User regular
    yeah my american history classes were fucked

    we'd go all the way up to the 50's in excrutiating detail

    then kind of cough for a second and go right into vietnam

    then watergate, and maybe like, a day about the eighties and a paragraph about the nineties.

    rinse, repeat.

    then, i got to high school where i could choose my classes and it was all english/literature classes all the time.

    gonna read a book, not memorize a date

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  • Librarian's ghostLibrarian's ghost Librarian, Ghostbuster, and TimSpork Registered User regular
    edited July 2016
    As a certified history teacher we definitely teach Malcom X now.

    This is from the current state social studies standards.
    SS 12.4.2.a (US) Analyze and evaluate the impact of people, events, ideas, and symbols, including various cultures and ethnic groups, on history in the United States (e.g., unique nature of the creation and organization of the American Government, the United States as an exceptional nation based upon personal freedom, the inherent nature of citizens' rights, and democratic ideals; Progressive Era: Teddy Roosevelt, The Jungle, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, suffrage; World War I: Woodrow Wilson, League of Nations, Harlem Renaissance, Jazz, Prohibition, The Depression: Franklin Delano Roosevelt; World War II: Dwight Eisenhower, internment camps, Holocaust; Cold War: Marshall Plan, John F. Kennedy, Eleanor Roosevelt, Korea, Vietnam, Ronald Reagan; Civil Rights Era: Martin Luther King, Jr., Malcolm X, NAACP, AIM, Cesar Chavez, Supreme Court decisions such as Brown v. Board of Education, key legislation; Contemporary United States: patriotism, Watergate, Sandra Day O'Connor, Clarence Thomas, fall of the Berlin Wall, Colin Powell, 9/11, Steve Jobs, Bill Gates)

    The part in parentheses are simply examples of the topics covered.

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  • chocoboliciouschocobolicious Registered User regular
    Hermano wrote: »
    People converting to Islam can use an X. as a middle initial or surname, there's no way this is a coincidence

    Really? I've never heard about this.

    The more you know.

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  • WybornWyborn GET EQUIPPED Registered User regular
    edited July 2016
    Dubh wrote: »
    MLK is not covered very well in textbooks or in popular culture

    [throw a chair]

    I've started watching the Boondocks with SilverWind recently because I really loved the show when it first aired

    It's aged in some ways, as comedy often ages, but in other ways it's held up really well, and remains relevant in spite of how much some of the imagery had become outdated in the past ten years

    Can't help wondering what it would look like if it had been made today

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Hermano wrote: »
    People converting to Islam can use an X. as a middle initial or surname, there's no way this is a coincidence

    Really? I've never heard about this.

    The more you know.

    I am pretty sure it's more a Nation thing than anything else.

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  • HobnailHobnail Registered User regular
    Malcolm X was the strawberry to Martin Luther King's vanilla

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  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    KalTorak wrote: »
    I remember Malcolm X only so far as he was the Magneto to MLK's Professor Xavier.

    This comparison seems incredibly unfair to Martin Luther King, Jr.

    it's also unfair to Malcolm X, since magneto was an actual terrorist depicted as murdering who knows how many people

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  • DoobhDoobh She/Her, Ace Pan/Bisexual 8-) What's up, bootlickers?Registered User regular
    edited July 2016
    how vanilla could you call MLK when the FBI was involved with his assassination

    edit: dude's at least cookie dough tier

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  • Devlin_DragonusDevlin_Dragonus Gorgeous Dallas, TXRegistered User regular
    Cello wrote: »
    vsove wrote: »
    Kwoaru wrote: »
    Man I just don't understand the robo bomb thing, when I heard the police chief talking about it he first said explosive and I figured oh it was probably some kind of flash or smoke thing (something not designed just to kill) and it went wrong like maybe the guy shot it or something

    Then a line or two later he just says bomb and I'm just amazed that bomb carrying robot is a thing and I'm not sure what step robo-bomb is a logical progression from

    EOD robots have a shaped charge to detonate suspicious packages, it sounds like that's what this was.

    I mean, if it was a shaped charge it wasn't something I had experience with in my time working on these kinds of bots, but I guess there's a chance they're used in the States or were sold exclusively by other retailers? Though I never saw anything like that at trade shows; might be they're not sold in Canada.

    As far as I know, they mostly use hydraulic guns that essentially shoot high-powered water bullets.

    I'm going to reply to this one as its the most related, im still 2 pages back so apologies if this has already been mentioned.

    I was following the live feed from home and the major concern at the time was that the suspect that was trapped int he El Centro Parking Garage has stated several times that not only had he planted bombs all over the area, but that he had a bomb on him.

    As sad as the outcome was in regards to loss of life, it was probably the best response due to the perceived threat at the time.

    Also the Garage is right there next to the college which still had people inside.

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  • HobnailHobnail Registered User regular
    Malcolm X was the aglet to Martin Luther King's eyelet

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  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    Dubh wrote: »
    how vanilla could you call MLK when the FBI was involved with his assassination

    the FBI had nothing to do with MLKjr's assassination, that is a myth

  • DoobhDoobh She/Her, Ace Pan/Bisexual 8-) What's up, bootlickers?Registered User regular
    Dubh wrote: »
    how vanilla could you call MLK when the FBI was involved with his assassination

    the FBI had nothing to do with MLKjr's assassination, that is a myth

    not from numerous sources I've read

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  • ShortyShorty touching the meat Intergalactic Cool CourtRegistered User regular
    the study of american history in u.s. secondary schools tends to stop at the point history becomes openly politicized; usually they get to WW2 and then a hagiographic version of the civil rights movement (essentially just MLK and the march on washington.)

    the vietnam war and forward is not really taught prior to undergraduate, essentially because we're still arguing about it in contemporary political culture and it makes people uncomfortable

    there's some regional variance here

    my high school US history class had a section on Vietnam, but still avoided really controversial stuff like My Lai and Nixon's treason and the fact that the gulf of Tonkin incident was fabricated by the Johnson administration

  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Dubh wrote: »
    Dubh wrote: »
    how vanilla could you call MLK when the FBI was involved with his assassination

    the FBI had nothing to do with MLKjr's assassination, that is a myth

    not from numerous sources I've read

    Jesus, Dubh, are you kidding me here?

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  • JayKaosJayKaos Registered User regular
    Dubh wrote: »
    MLK is not covered very well in textbooks or in popular culture

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    Pretty sure this scene is from an episode talking about what MLK would do if he were alive today, funnily enough.

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  • -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    I remember the impression I got of the civil rights movement in school was that it just silently disbanded after the civil rights act was signed because racism was fixed

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  • JayKaosJayKaos Registered User regular
    -Tal wrote: »
    I remember the impression I got of the civil rights movement in school was that it just silently disbanded after the civil rights act was signed because racism was fixed

    I'm learning these last couple years that there's a whole lot of people on the internet who never got past that idea, leading to them assuming that anyone talking about racism these days is just "race-baiting" or "stirring the pot"

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  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    Dubh wrote: »
    Dubh wrote: »
    how vanilla could you call MLK when the FBI was involved with his assassination

    the FBI had nothing to do with MLKjr's assassination, that is a myth

    not from numerous sources I've read

    I have serious doubt that you've read anything that refers to any source other than Lloyd Jowers

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/conspiracy/mlktrial.asp

  • Romanian My EscutcheonRomanian My Escutcheon Two of Forks Registered User regular
    I checked and apparently Malcolm X is n the AP US History curriculum, but AP courses are advanced electives for fuckin nerds

    AP US History was one of the best classes I ever had.

    Shit, it was better than probably 80 percent of the classes I had to take in college.

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  • Rorshach KringleRorshach Kringle that crustache life Registered User regular
    i didn't take any ap classes because i was in honors classes with the ap nerds and i just would not be able to handle being with those fuckers for the bulk of my day

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  • Librarian's ghostLibrarian's ghost Librarian, Ghostbuster, and TimSpork Registered User regular
    I mean the standards I posted are for basic 11th grade history not AP.

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  • chocoboliciouschocobolicious Registered User regular
    edited July 2016
    I don't think my school had a specific US history course. We only had an AP history which was generic world history.

    Wherein I learned mostly about Egypt because the teacher really liked Egypt.

    Which I'm pretty okay with. I'd learned nothing about it up to that point so it was all amazing, shiny and new.

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  • DoobhDoobh She/Her, Ace Pan/Bisexual 8-) What's up, bootlickers?Registered User regular
    Dubh wrote: »
    Dubh wrote: »
    how vanilla could you call MLK when the FBI was involved with his assassination

    the FBI had nothing to do with MLKjr's assassination, that is a myth

    not from numerous sources I've read

    Jesus, Dubh, are you kidding me here?

    nope

    do I feel like arguing about it?
    nope

    could I possibly be wrong?
    always

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  • QanamilQanamil x Registered User regular
    Another anecdote, but I had to read the Autobiography of Malcolm X in US History 102 or whatever in college.

  • TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    I checked and apparently Malcolm X is n the AP US History curriculum, but AP courses are advanced electives for fuckin nerds

    AP US History was one of the best classes I ever had.

    Shit, it was better than probably 80 percent of the classes I had to take in college.
    My AP US History class was garbage, but then my school's entire history department was weak, and for some reason the worst teacher taught the AP class.

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  • Devlin_DragonusDevlin_Dragonus Gorgeous Dallas, TXRegistered User regular
    edited July 2016
    Also wanted to post this, made me feel a little better with the world

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    Parker County Sheriff’s Sgt. Ryan Speegle says he didn’t know what to expect when he got downstairs.

    Speegle rushed in first to see inmates in their gray and white stripes and handcuffed and shackled standing over an unresponsive guard. One prisoner reached for the radio, which was near the gun.

    “We were going to call '“Mayday' or something,'” Kelton said.

    Sgt. Speegle corralled the inmates, still not completely understanding what was happening, back into the cell. Deputies started CPR and the paramedics arrived and shocked the guard, who regained a pulse. Inmates watched life returning.

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