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    SiliconStewSiliconStew Registered User regular
    Knew I'd run into an star trek outlier in here.

    Anyway, I kind of enjoyed heavy metal 2000, and read the comics in my horny youth, would I enjoy the first movie?

    Heavy Metal is a collection of short stories with a common through line. Not as conventional as 2000. I like it better out of the two and it has better music. If you liked the comics, you'll enjoy it.

    Just remember that half the people you meet are below average intelligence.
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    VeldrinVeldrin Sham bam bamina Registered User regular
    Knew I'd run into an star trek outlier in here.

    Anyway, I kind of enjoyed heavy metal 2000, and read the comics in my horny youth, would I enjoy the first movie?

    Heavy Metal is a collection of short stories with a common through line. Not as conventional as 2000. I like it better out of the two and it has better music. If you liked the comics, you'll enjoy it.

    It's also ugly as hell

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    DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    I find it fascinating to use Godzilla as a metaphor for Japan's National emotional trauma. It makes me wonder how you could represent this with the United States, but I fear it would be exceptionally freaky.

    Whether or not I would see either one is up in the air.

    Independence Day

    I dunno, the big speech in Independence Day is how the 4th of July won't be an American holiday anymore because the entire world is gonna team up and work together.

    How convenient for America that nothing has to change for them in this transaction

    I mean aside from half the country being blown up, you mean

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    JedocJedoc In the scuppers with the staggers and jagsRegistered User regular
    I find it fascinating to use Godzilla as a metaphor for Japan's National emotional trauma. It makes me wonder how you could represent this with the United States, but I fear it would be exceptionally freaky.

    Whether or not I would see either one is up in the air.

    Independence Day

    I dunno, the big speech in Independence Day is how the 4th of July won't be an American holiday anymore because the entire world is gonna team up and work together.

    How convenient for America that nothing has to change for them in this transaction

    I mean aside from half the country being blown up, you mean

    On the bright side, no more Houston. That's got to count for something.

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    FawstFawst The road to awe.Registered User regular
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    When I was living in Shanghai I was tasked with hiring a "white face" for a hospital to add to its prestige as an internationally regarded facility. I remember friends taking jobs where they were literally hired to sit in a business meeting and be white, just to up the prestige of the businesses involved.

    Ahahahahaha

    "So what do you do for a living?"

    "I display my whiteness in a meeting room."

    "Are you any good at it?"

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    Veldrin wrote: »
    Knew I'd run into an star trek outlier in here.

    Anyway, I kind of enjoyed heavy metal 2000, and read the comics in my horny youth, would I enjoy the first movie?

    Heavy Metal is a collection of short stories with a common through line. Not as conventional as 2000. I like it better out of the two and it has better music. If you liked the comics, you'll enjoy it.

    It's also ugly as hell

    Some of it is, some is really good (the WW2 segment looks great, as does Taarna). I loved that movie as a kid cuz boobs. Now I love it because it's pretty damn funny as an adult.

    I've heard there's a new run of HM mag that is really good. I'll have to check that out. I loved it in high school. I wonder where those issues went...

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    DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    I dunno, like, even if you ignore the stuff about working with the rest of the world, Independence Day is a pretty inclusive movie. It's one of the best things about it, that the cast reflects what America actually looks like, rather than just filling it with bland white people, like...Independence Day Resurgence does

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    Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2016
    I'm going to make a movie starring Jai Courtney and Sam Worthington and have them switch back and forth between characters the entire movie and see if anyone notices.

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    TubeTube Registered User admin
    I watched the Airbender movie. It's bad in truly bizarre ways. Like, everything is pronounced wrong. Avatar (which is a real word!), Sokka, Agni Ki, Aang... it's crazy. You can look that stuff up guys! They made a thing already!

    The poorly thought out script means that even the most expensive sequences feel cheap and rushed, and it has... bizarre racial implications. Everyone has been changed to be white, except the fire nation who are all Indian. There is one "good guy" in the fire nation (the bizarrely wasted Iroh) and he's played by a white guy. I know it isn't the intention, but it sure reads as "non-whites are inherently evil"

    There are whole subplots that are summed up in exposition. Like a full romance plot is just "these two people met up and fell in love, ok, go!". The movie is only 90 minutes long! They had time for that!

    I'm not saying it would be easier to make a good Avatar movie. I think it would be really difficult. It would be easy to make one that's better than this.

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    nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    Tube wrote: »
    I watched the Airbender movie. It's bad in truly bizarre ways. Like, everything is pronounced wrong. Avatar (which is a real word!), Sokka, Agni Ki, Aang... it's crazy. You can look that stuff up guys! They made a thing already!

    The poorly thought out script means that even the most expensive sequences feel cheap and rushed, and it has... bizarre racial implications. Everyone has been changed to be white, except the fire nation who are all Indian. There is one "good guy" in the fire nation (the bizarrely wasted Iroh) and he's played by a white guy. I know it isn't the intention, but it sure reads as "non-whites are inherently evil"

    There are whole subplots that are summed up in exposition. Like a full romance plot is just "these two people met up and fell in love, ok, go!". The movie is only 90 minutes long! They had time for that!

    I'm not saying it would be easier to make a good Avatar movie. I think it would be really difficult. It would be easy to make one that's better than this.

    Not only is it 90 minutes but a lot of those minutes are taken up explaining the same things over and over again. How many times did Zou explain about the secret Library?

    I don't know if you've heard but the pronunciation issues were intentional. The director said he was fixing them to be more authentic.

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    -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    iroh's actor is iranian, same fella what played yinsen in iron man

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    Mr. GMr. G Registered User regular
    Speaking of Shyamalan, he does have a new movie coming

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84TouqfIsiI

    That last one he did was generally liked, right? Maybe he's on an upswing now

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    ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User regular
    -Tal wrote: »
    what is more american than exporting american values and traditions to the world

    Importing other culture's traditions (or fabricating them) for profit.

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    honoverehonovere Registered User regular
    Just judging from the trailer I wouldn't bet on it.

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    -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    Mr. G wrote: »
    Speaking of Shyamalan, he does have a new movie coming

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84TouqfIsiI

    That last one he did was generally liked, right? Maybe he's on an upswing now

    idk this looks bad to me

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    Rorshach KringleRorshach Kringle that crustache life Registered User regular
    more like star trek beyond boring

    half the action was incomprehensible

    the villain: the wishmaster and ivan ooze had a baby that became a shitty vampire

    plot spoiler:
    thank god all four white dudes were conveniently free to save the minority crew members!

    i kinda wish i'd seen this before nerve yesterday so i could leave the theater on a high note instead of crushing disappointment

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    DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    The pronunciation thing is weirder still because Shyamalan, if I'm remembering this correctly, said he made those changes because his are the correct pronunciations because...I don't really remember why, but there was some bullshit reason for it.

    The Avatar cartoon dealt with some darker subject matter, but it never really wallowed in it. It allowed for a lot of joy and humor, which are not things Shyamalan really has in his toolkit. And apparently shooting action scenes, especially action scenes where CGI is necessary, is also not in his toolkit. I think you could definitely make a good movie set in that universe, though if you were going to do a live-action version, you might be better off doing the story of a different Avatar, rather than trying to cram an entire season of a show into a single movie.

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    Mr. GMr. G Registered User regular
    I dunno, I think the house style for trailers these days is really good at making movies look like shit

    Ghostbusters looked not great and Star Trek Beyond looked fuckin' awful, and those were both fun good movies

    Marvel might be the only production company actually putting out trailers that make their movies look good

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    SiliconStewSiliconStew Registered User regular
    Veldrin wrote: »
    Knew I'd run into an star trek outlier in here.

    Anyway, I kind of enjoyed heavy metal 2000, and read the comics in my horny youth, would I enjoy the first movie?

    Heavy Metal is a collection of short stories with a common through line. Not as conventional as 2000. I like it better out of the two and it has better music. If you liked the comics, you'll enjoy it.

    It's also ugly as hell

    Outside of Disney, I'd say it's typical for animation from 1981.

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    ZonugalZonugal (He/Him) The Holiday Armadillo I'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User regular
    Mr. G wrote: »
    I dunno, I think the house style for trailers these days is really good at making movies look like shit

    Ghostbusters looked not great and Star Trek Beyond looked fuckin' awful, and those were both fun good movies

    Marvel might be the only production company actually putting out trailers that make their movies look good

    Tarantino's trailers still look good.

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    -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    in my opinion, the core premise of split is dumb in a bad way

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    -Tal wrote: »
    iroh's actor is iranian, same fella what played yinsen in iron man

    Sure as shit didn't look Indian though!

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    SorceSorce Not ThereRegistered User regular
    Yeah, "racebending" was a big issue around the movie's production/release.

    Shymalan just failed across the board with the movie. The casting, the effects/editing, the understanding of the characters, none of it made sense.

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    The pronunciation thing is weirder still because Shyamalan, if I'm remembering this correctly, said he made those changes because his are the correct pronunciations because...I don't really remember why, but there was some bullshit reason for it.

    The Avatar cartoon dealt with some darker subject matter, but it never really wallowed in it. It allowed for a lot of joy and humor, which are not things Shyamalan really has in his toolkit. And apparently shooting action scenes, especially action scenes where CGI is necessary, is also not in his toolkit. I think you could definitely make a good movie set in that universe, though if you were going to do a live-action version, you might be better off doing the story of a different Avatar, rather than trying to cram an entire season of a show into a single movie.

    I think there's ways to do it if you pick and choose very carefully what you cover. If a studio did it now, they'd probably try and make each part into two films to get as much money as possible out of it.

    All of the choreography around the bending is really strange. My roommate said "I guess they just can't make that look good", but why not just copy the way they moved in the cartoons? You paid all that licensing money!

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    DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    There are still a bunch of good trailers getting produced. I think the trailers for the new Star Wars movies have been the best blockbuster trailers around, for instance, and by a pretty solid margin. Before Star Trek, they had a trailer for the new Jack Reacher movie, and it was pretty fun.

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    -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    Tube wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    iroh's actor is iranian, same fella what played yinsen in iron man

    Sure as shit didn't look Indian though!

    I don't think the fire nation was meant to be uniformly indian, along with iroh the fire lord was played by a maori actor

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    DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    Tube wrote: »
    The pronunciation thing is weirder still because Shyamalan, if I'm remembering this correctly, said he made those changes because his are the correct pronunciations because...I don't really remember why, but there was some bullshit reason for it.

    The Avatar cartoon dealt with some darker subject matter, but it never really wallowed in it. It allowed for a lot of joy and humor, which are not things Shyamalan really has in his toolkit. And apparently shooting action scenes, especially action scenes where CGI is necessary, is also not in his toolkit. I think you could definitely make a good movie set in that universe, though if you were going to do a live-action version, you might be better off doing the story of a different Avatar, rather than trying to cram an entire season of a show into a single movie.

    I think there's ways to do it if you pick and choose very carefully what you cover. If a studio did it now, they'd probably try and make each part into two films to get as much money as possible out of it.

    All of the choreography around the bending is really strange. My roommate said "I guess they just can't make that look good", but why not just copy the way they moved in the cartoons? You paid all that licensing money!

    it's literally just different actual martial arts disciplines, if you can't make that shit look good you have failed on a very fundamental level

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    -Tal wrote: »
    I don't think the fire nation was meant to be uniformly indian, along with iroh the fire lord was played by a maori actor

    You're talking about three characters who are direct blood relations. One is Indian, one is Maori, one is light skinned Iranian.

    I mean I know you're being deliberately obtuse because That's Your Thing, but even if he's going for "the fire nation isn't homogenous" it doesn't work with basic genetics. They didn't hire a Maori guy for the fire lord because Diversity! they hired a Maori guy because Close Enough.

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    Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    The biggest knock I can think of in regards to The Last Airbender is that I know I saw it but I remember NOTHING about it.

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    JedocJedoc In the scuppers with the staggers and jagsRegistered User regular
    -Tal wrote: »
    Mr. G wrote: »
    Speaking of Shyamalan, he does have a new movie coming

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84TouqfIsiI

    That last one he did was generally liked, right? Maybe he's on an upswing now

    idk this looks bad to me

    Okay, before I looked it up I was pretty sure the bad guy was Kirk from Gilmore Girls and the Last Girl was the grumpy daughter from Kimmy Schmidt. That would have probably sold a ticket for me. However, that is some Bad Science up in that trailer there, and I think I will pass.

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    DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    it didn't even have the common courtesy to be bad in a funny way

    it's hideously boring and it feels like it's three hours long

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    SorceSorce Not ThereRegistered User regular
    edited July 2016
    The biggest knock I can think of in regards to The Last Airbender is that I know I saw it but I remember NOTHING about it.
    I remember too much; I've only ever watched it one time when it was still in theatres.

    Take it from me.

    edit: The only good thing remotely connected to it was the actress that played Yue ended up in Korra as Asami.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    -Tal wrote: »
    Tube wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    iroh's actor is iranian, same fella what played yinsen in iron man

    Sure as shit didn't look Indian though!

    I don't think the fire nation was meant to be uniformly indian, along with iroh the fire lord was played by a maori actor

    Apparently, almost all of the fire nation extras were Indian actors.

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    -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    Tube wrote: »
    -Tal wrote: »
    I don't think the fire nation was meant to be uniformly indian, along with iroh the fire lord was played by a maori actor

    You're talking about three characters who are direct blood relations. One is Indian, one is Maori, one is light skinned Iranian.

    I mean I know you're being deliberately obtuse because That's Your Thing, but even if he's going for "the fire nation isn't homogenous" it doesn't work with basic genetics. They didn't hire a Maori guy for the fire lord because Diversity! they hired a Maori guy because Close Enough.

    I'm... not trying to do a thing here, dude, you're being needlessly aggressive

    the racial politics of the last airbender were obviously all over the place and hell if I know what shyamalan's intent was for casting actors of three different ethnic backgrounds as direct relatives, but I imagine it was something along the lines of "brown people are all the same"

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    nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    Tube wrote: »
    The pronunciation thing is weirder still because Shyamalan, if I'm remembering this correctly, said he made those changes because his are the correct pronunciations because...I don't really remember why, but there was some bullshit reason for it.

    The Avatar cartoon dealt with some darker subject matter, but it never really wallowed in it. It allowed for a lot of joy and humor, which are not things Shyamalan really has in his toolkit. And apparently shooting action scenes, especially action scenes where CGI is necessary, is also not in his toolkit. I think you could definitely make a good movie set in that universe, though if you were going to do a live-action version, you might be better off doing the story of a different Avatar, rather than trying to cram an entire season of a show into a single movie.

    I think there's ways to do it if you pick and choose very carefully what you cover. If a studio did it now, they'd probably try and make each part into two films to get as much money as possible out of it.

    All of the choreography around the bending is really strange. My roommate said "I guess they just can't make that look good", but why not just copy the way they moved in the cartoons? You paid all that licensing money!

    A lot of that was Shyamalan not playing nice with the CGI team. He basically filmed the fight scenes without consulting them or having a plan and then CGI and editing had to make something workable out of it. Also he did at least one fight scene in one long shot which was a nightmare to work on.

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    Tube wrote: »
    The pronunciation thing is weirder still because Shyamalan, if I'm remembering this correctly, said he made those changes because his are the correct pronunciations because...I don't really remember why, but there was some bullshit reason for it.

    The Avatar cartoon dealt with some darker subject matter, but it never really wallowed in it. It allowed for a lot of joy and humor, which are not things Shyamalan really has in his toolkit. And apparently shooting action scenes, especially action scenes where CGI is necessary, is also not in his toolkit. I think you could definitely make a good movie set in that universe, though if you were going to do a live-action version, you might be better off doing the story of a different Avatar, rather than trying to cram an entire season of a show into a single movie.

    I think there's ways to do it if you pick and choose very carefully what you cover. If a studio did it now, they'd probably try and make each part into two films to get as much money as possible out of it.

    All of the choreography around the bending is really strange. My roommate said "I guess they just can't make that look good", but why not just copy the way they moved in the cartoons? You paid all that licensing money!

    A lot of that was Shyamalan not playing nice with the CGI team. He basically filmed the fight scenes without consulting them or having a plan and then CGI and editing had to make something workable out of it. Also he did at least one fight scene in one long shot which was a nightmare to work on.


    Most of the fight scenes didn't have any bending in them, which I assume was for budget reasons. Zuko vs Aang for example is just them hitting each other. One of the crazier ones is the scene where Iroh goes apeshit when a thing happens. In the cartoon he punches out a bunch of fireballs and quickly beats a few guys up. Not super expensive to film, I would have thought. In the film he sets his arms on fire and just stands there. Everyone runs away. It's incredibly awkward looking.

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    SorceSorce Not ThereRegistered User regular
    Yeah, Shymalan changed how bending worked in the movie too.

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    -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    my favorite effect in the last airbender is when a group of earthbenders do a fancy dance for 5 seconds in order to summon a tiny cgi rock that moves 0.2 miles per hour across the screen

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    LorahaloLorahalo Registered User regular
    The biggest thing I noticed about the bending in the movie is that they would do all their little motions, and then stuff would happen. They'd do a twirl, stand there a sec, then water would fly around. It looked super awkward compared to having the motions actually move the water.
    Tube wrote: »
    Tube wrote: »
    The pronunciation thing is weirder still because Shyamalan, if I'm remembering this correctly, said he made those changes because his are the correct pronunciations because...I don't really remember why, but there was some bullshit reason for it.

    The Avatar cartoon dealt with some darker subject matter, but it never really wallowed in it. It allowed for a lot of joy and humor, which are not things Shyamalan really has in his toolkit. And apparently shooting action scenes, especially action scenes where CGI is necessary, is also not in his toolkit. I think you could definitely make a good movie set in that universe, though if you were going to do a live-action version, you might be better off doing the story of a different Avatar, rather than trying to cram an entire season of a show into a single movie.

    I think there's ways to do it if you pick and choose very carefully what you cover. If a studio did it now, they'd probably try and make each part into two films to get as much money as possible out of it.

    All of the choreography around the bending is really strange. My roommate said "I guess they just can't make that look good", but why not just copy the way they moved in the cartoons? You paid all that licensing money!

    A lot of that was Shyamalan not playing nice with the CGI team. He basically filmed the fight scenes without consulting them or having a plan and then CGI and editing had to make something workable out of it. Also he did at least one fight scene in one long shot which was a nightmare to work on.


    Most of the fight scenes didn't have any bending in them, which I assume was for budget reasons. Zuko vs Aang for example is just them hitting each other. One of the crazier ones is the scene where Iroh goes apeshit when a thing happens. In the cartoon he punches out a bunch of fireballs and quickly beats a few guys up. Not super expensive to film, I would have thought. In the film he sets his arms on fire and just stands there. Everyone runs away. It's incredibly awkward looking.

    Yeah that was because of the whole change that only master firebenders could "create" fire, the others had to pull it from a source. Not a bad idea in theory, but the aspect of creating fire was built into the story behind how firebending worked so yeah kinda dumb.

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    JavenJaven Registered User regular
    Shymalan mostly made the movie cause his kids would always talk about the show, so the only way I can reconcile it is that his kids friggin loved the fire nation and wanted them to win, which is why he cast so many as Indian-American.

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    UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    Jeez they're making another Jack Reacher?

    I was under the impression that the first one didn't do well and nobody gave a shit about it

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