Ironically does not mean comically, although the two have a lot of crossover
You can do something with a sense of humor without it being due to a sneering distaste for it
I feel like by definition when you do something ironically you are doing it because you dislike it
Then you have the wrong definition for irony. It's okay though, most people do.
What would you consider the correct definition? Specifically in the sense of liking something or doing something ironically?
Because in usage, that's what the vast majority of people I have encountered are referring to when they say that they like something ironically.
I mean, there are multiple definitions with different nuances, one of which is "a state of affairs or an event that seems deliberately contrary to what one expects and is often amusing as a result". Weird Al is a good example. Sometimes he'll do a parody of something that's based around the subject matter of his version being the complete opposite in tone or concept from the original. There's irony in that subversion of expectation/familiarity, but there's no inherent indictment or mean-spiritedness in play. In fact, the nature of his work often shows a sincere appreciation of and respect for the original material, even while making jokes with it.
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Ironically does not mean comically, although the two have a lot of crossover
You can do something with a sense of humor without it being due to a sneering distaste for it
I feel like by definition when you do something ironically you are doing it because you dislike it
Then you have the wrong definition for irony. It's okay though, most people do.
What would you consider the correct definition? Specifically in the sense of liking something or doing something ironically?
Because in usage, that's what the vast majority of people I have encountered are referring to when they say that they like something ironically.
I mean, there are multiple definitions with different nuances, one of which is "a state of affairs or an event that seems deliberately contrary to what one expects and is often amusing as a result". Weird Al is a good example. Sometimes he'll do a parody of something that's based around the subject matter of his version being the complete opposite in tone or concept from the original. There's irony in that subversion of expectation/familiarity, but there's no inherent indictment or mean-spiritedness in play. In fact, the nature of his work often shows a sincere appreciation of and respect for the original material, even while making jokes with it.
See, I wouldn't considering Weird Al to make music ironically
I would, however, say that he uses irony in the music that he makes
It's specifically about the action being performed ironically, as opposed to the creation of an ironic dissonance in the result
I was house sitting this week, and the house somehow got Canada's indigenous TV station, so that was basically all I watched
There was this nightly block of music videos, and boy, there is some bad Indian rap out there, holy crap. Like these two Apache brothers with dwarfism who did a rap about making shawtys do a rain dance
There was also a guy who rapped partially in Anishinaabe, which was fucking sick as hell, so it was overall worth it I guess
Yo who is this Anishinaabe rapper, that sounds sweet as hell
Got a lowkey, early-Atmosphere vibe (unsurprising, given the region he's from) when he raps in English. It's a little... over-earnest, a little too much telling-not-showing, but fine.
But the Anishinaabe rap portions are super, super cool
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StraightziHere we may reign secure, and in my choice,To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered Userregular
I was house sitting this week, and the house somehow got Canada's indigenous TV station, so that was basically all I watched
There was this nightly block of music videos, and boy, there is some bad Indian rap out there, holy crap. Like these two Apache brothers with dwarfism who did a rap about making shawtys do a rain dance
There was also a guy who rapped partially in Anishinaabe, which was fucking sick as hell, so it was overall worth it I guess
Yo who is this Anishinaabe rapper, that sounds sweet as hell
Got a lowkey, early-Atmosphere vibe (unsurprising, given the region he's from) when he raps in English. It's a little... over-earnest, a little too much telling-not-showing, but fine.
But the Anishinaabe rap portions are super, super cool
Ironically does not mean comically, although the two have a lot of crossover
You can do something with a sense of humor without it being due to a sneering distaste for it
I feel like by definition when you do something ironically you are doing it because you dislike it
Then you have the wrong definition for irony. It's okay though, most people do.
What would you consider the correct definition? Specifically in the sense of liking something or doing something ironically?
Because in usage, that's what the vast majority of people I have encountered are referring to when they say that they like something ironically.
I mean, there are multiple definitions with different nuances, one of which is "a state of affairs or an event that seems deliberately contrary to what one expects and is often amusing as a result". Weird Al is a good example. Sometimes he'll do a parody of something that's based around the subject matter of his version being the complete opposite in tone or concept from the original. There's irony in that subversion of expectation/familiarity, but there's no inherent indictment or mean-spiritedness in play. In fact, the nature of his work often shows a sincere appreciation of and respect for the original material, even while making jokes with it.
See, I wouldn't considering Weird Al to make music ironically
I would, however, say that he uses irony in the music that he makes
It's specifically about the action being performed ironically, as opposed to the creation of an ironic dissonance in the result
I don't see how that's a distinction. Irony is a rhetorical concept. Whether or not an act contains is it entirely dependent on the content of the act, because one informs the other.
Ironically does not mean comically, although the two have a lot of crossover
You can do something with a sense of humor without it being due to a sneering distaste for it
I feel like by definition when you do something ironically you are doing it because you dislike it
Then you have the wrong definition for irony. It's okay though, most people do.
What would you consider the correct definition? Specifically in the sense of liking something or doing something ironically?
Because in usage, that's what the vast majority of people I have encountered are referring to when they say that they like something ironically.
I mean, there are multiple definitions with different nuances, one of which is "a state of affairs or an event that seems deliberately contrary to what one expects and is often amusing as a result". Weird Al is a good example. Sometimes he'll do a parody of something that's based around the subject matter of his version being the complete opposite in tone or concept from the original. There's irony in that subversion of expectation/familiarity, but there's no inherent indictment or mean-spiritedness in play. In fact, the nature of his work often shows a sincere appreciation of and respect for the original material, even while making jokes with it.
See, I wouldn't considering Weird Al to make music ironically
I would, however, say that he uses irony in the music that he makes
It's specifically about the action being performed ironically, as opposed to the creation of an ironic dissonance in the result
For example, epic rap battles of history v. Hamilton
Also I just thought of the perfect example of how something can be ironic without disdaining any of the things it is involving but I can't talk about it right now because it's still a work in progress.
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I met MC Frontalot at PAX 06
He seemed nice enough for a dude what raps about transformers.
I mean, there are multiple definitions with different nuances, one of which is "a state of affairs or an event that seems deliberately contrary to what one expects and is often amusing as a result". Weird Al is a good example. Sometimes he'll do a parody of something that's based around the subject matter of his version being the complete opposite in tone or concept from the original. There's irony in that subversion of expectation/familiarity, but there's no inherent indictment or mean-spiritedness in play. In fact, the nature of his work often shows a sincere appreciation of and respect for the original material, even while making jokes with it.
See, I wouldn't considering Weird Al to make music ironically
I would, however, say that he uses irony in the music that he makes
It's specifically about the action being performed ironically, as opposed to the creation of an ironic dissonance in the result
This is the video I saw:
Got a lowkey, early-Atmosphere vibe (unsurprising, given the region he's from) when he raps in English. It's a little... over-earnest, a little too much telling-not-showing, but fine.
But the Anishinaabe rap portions are super, super cool
Yeah, that's really cool
I don't see how that's a distinction. Irony is a rhetorical concept. Whether or not an act contains is it entirely dependent on the content of the act, because one informs the other.
For example, epic rap battles of history v. Hamilton