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[BREXIT] Farewell Europe, and thanks for all the Fish stocks

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    darleysamdarleysam On my way to UKRegistered User regular
    edited June 2016
    Beasteh wrote: »
    I've witnessed three incidents of racial abuse in public since the brexit ordeal

    One right next to a police station

    One was while I was walking with my workmate Syed, a (British!)-Indian chap who is immensely bright, goodnatured etc etc. all around good bloke

    'Fuck off home' 'Mate i was literally born here you fucking prick'

    Two cases of 'get deported' on the bus

    These people seem to have taken brexit as tacit approval for them to spew racist vitriol without being scared of what the public thinks

    Because they assume everyone's as racist as they are

    e: Doesn't help that the city I live in is roughly 98% white

    I do have to wonder where they ever got the idea that a vote to leave was an endorsement of their views on racial discrimination


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    LiiyaLiiya Registered User regular
    christ on a bike.

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    OmnipotentBagelOmnipotentBagel floof Registered User regular
    Liiya wrote: »
    christ on a bike.

    Yeah, those assholes would have been dicks to him too.

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    RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    I should remind everyone that Rupert Murdoch, owner of the Sun among many many others, had a newspaper which hacked the phone of a murder victim.

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    honoverehonovere Registered User regular
    edited June 2016
    I should remind everyone that Rupert Murdoch, owner of the Sun among many many others, had a newspaper which hacked the phone of a murder victim.

    Making the victim's parents think their child might still be alive in the process.

    And even after that tabloid was shut down, a bunch of its "journalists" employees got work at a different tabloid. Guess which.

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    RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    Why did I bring it up?

    Because I always bring it up

    Incidentally, Carthage must be destroyed

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    BeastehBeasteh THAT WOULD NOT KILL DRACULARegistered User regular
    oh look my city was mentioned

    (we have one of the highest proportions of Polish population in the UK)

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    LiiyaLiiya Registered User regular
    Remember how Jo Cox was shot dead not two weeks ago? Everyones forgotten her.

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    RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    honovere wrote: »
    I should remind everyone that Rupert Murdoch, owner of the Sun among many many others, had a newspaper which hacked the phone of a murder victim.

    Making the victim's parents think their child might still be alive in the process.

    And even after that tabloid was shut down, a bunch of its "journalists" employees got work at a different tabloid. Guess which.

    The tabloid was basically the Sun, printed on Sundays only

    After this blew up in their faces and the paper was shut down, The Sun on Sundays™ was launched a few months later

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    darleysamdarleysam On my way to UKRegistered User regular
    edited June 2016
    Liiya wrote: »
    christ on a bike.

    But today they're absolutely baffled by the sudden upswing in racial abuse that seems to be sweeping the nation.

    Fucking livid, right here.

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    ProlegomenaProlegomena Frictionless Spinning The VoidRegistered User regular
    I think some good could come of the fact that this is highlighting just how much latent racist vitriol has been waiting for a chance to come out - there's certainly been a tendency among a lot of people to act like racism is a problem of the past*, and there is just no way to hide from it when it's in full view like this.

    *Sure, to think this you have to have no idea about race issues at all, but this is easy to achieve in the absence of highly visible overt racism.

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    RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    After the Hillsborough Disaster where 96 Liverpool football fans were crushed to death due to poor crowd control, the Sun immediately ran with an anonymous (and bullshit) police source that hooligan fans made the situation worse by preventing people getting close to help.

    It is now extremely difficult to buy a copy of the Sun in Liverpool. Also, they voted remain.

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    OghulkOghulk Tinychat Janitor TinychatRegistered User regular
    boy Farage

    you're really making the EU want to keep you in

    if Britain votes to leave the EU is going to burn the UK so badly they'll never be back in

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    darleysamdarleysam On my way to UKRegistered User regular
    If the nation is collectively able to turn against the media that fed it these lies and incited hatred all this time, it will at least be one silver lining of this whole utter shitshow. However if they weasel out of it again, as I fear they will, then I guess we can just call it quits and sign everything over to Murdoch, Dacre, and Desmond.

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    BeastehBeasteh THAT WOULD NOT KILL DRACULARegistered User regular
    edited June 2016
    Oghulk wrote: »
    boy Farage

    you're really making the EU want to keep you in

    if Britain votes to leave the EU is going to burn the UK so badly they'll never be back in

    'if'

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    KarlKarl Registered User regular
    Oghulk wrote: »
    boy Farage

    you're really making the EU want to keep you in

    if Britain votes to leave the EU is going to burn the UK so badly they'll never be back in

    In all seriousness, we need to trigger article 50 and exit the EU so negotiations can begin.

    We're a major economy and being out of the EU hurts both sides (though admittedly us A LOT more than them).

    Lets just start the clock so we can transition to a Norway style relationship and be done with it. Then we can rebuild our credit rating etc.

    Honestly this entire thing was a waste of fucking time and Leave voters have little to no understanding of economics or politics.

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    RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    Karl wrote: »
    Oghulk wrote: »
    boy Farage

    you're really making the EU want to keep you in

    if Britain votes to leave the EU is going to burn the UK so badly they'll never be back in

    In all seriousness, we need to trigger article 50 and exit the EU so negotiations can begin.

    We're a major economy and being out of the EU hurts both sides (though admittedly us A LOT more than them).

    Lets just start the clock so we can transition to a Norway style relationship and be done with it. Then we can rebuild our credit rating etc.

    Honestly this entire thing was a waste of fucking time and Leave voters have little to no understanding of economics or politics.

    You wouldn't prefer some sort of humiliating climbdown?

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    LiiyaLiiya Registered User regular
    hm that is tempting now you mention it.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Liiya wrote: »
    Remember how Jo Cox was shot dead not two weeks ago? Everyones forgotten her.

    I don't.

    Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
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    LiiyaLiiya Registered User regular
    "Everyone" as in the media/news.

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    KarlKarl Registered User regular
    I would love it if we just didn't bother but article 50 is going to be executed

    I would rather it sooner rather than later so we can get a deal sorted and start putting the pieces back together.

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    JoeUserJoeUser Forum Santa Registered User regular
    I'm not sure what kind of deal you can get without severe limitations or having to accept the free movement of people.

    Anything less than that is going to really hurt the financial sector.

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    ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    Karl wrote: »
    I would love it if we just didn't bother but article 50 is going to be executed

    I would rather it sooner rather than later so we can get a deal sorted and start putting the pieces back together.

    I don't think thats true, doesnt the country leaving have to execute the article? So if the UK backed down it wouldnt be executed

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    RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    Karl wrote: »
    I would love it if we just didn't bother but article 50 is going to be executed

    I would rather it sooner rather than later so we can get a deal sorted and start putting the pieces back together.

    Well Cameron has said he's not doing it, and he's already out so what force on earth could move him?

    A lot can change in two months.

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    darleysamdarleysam On my way to UKRegistered User regular
    edited June 2016
    Westminster Bridge is currently closed, with a suspicious Smart Car parked in the middle of it and a police robot making its way to see what all the fuss is about.

    edit: and as I write that, it seems the car's owner has arrived. So that seems like a reasonable conclusion.

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    LiiyaLiiya Registered User regular
    Boy is their face gonna be red.

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    OmnipotentBagelOmnipotentBagel floof Registered User regular
    I feel like if the car was really so smart it would have gotten off that bridge when it realized it was causing a fuss.

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    OghulkOghulk Tinychat Janitor TinychatRegistered User regular
    I love all the people behind Farage that are just laughing at him

    like "wow he's really insulting us, ok."

    man I just love his fucking idea that the UK has the upperhand in any negotiations between the EU and the UK

    it is just hilarious like man fuck that man

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    BeastehBeasteh THAT WOULD NOT KILL DRACULARegistered User regular
    yeah man fuck man

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    LiiyaLiiya Registered User regular
    Those bomb disposal robots are really cute though.

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Karl wrote: »
    I would love it if we just didn't bother but article 50 is going to be executed

    I would rather it sooner rather than later so we can get a deal sorted and start putting the pieces back together.

    I don't think thats true, doesnt the country leaving have to execute the article? So if the UK backed down it wouldnt be executed
    If they backed down it could very likely destabilize the country even more than it already is

    Even if they now have buyers remorse, the popular vote declared Leave and if parliament or a re vote overturn that it will only further incite the sizable chunk of Leave voters that were genuine and stand by their beliefs and cause a huge amount of chaos and strife

    It would be like if Trump won in November and was the trash fire he undoubtedly would be so he is impeached or we have a re-vote in February

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Liiya wrote: »
    "Everyone" as in the media/news.

    Oh, yeah, that sucks hard, yeah. I just thought from the context that you meant everyone around here.

    Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
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    PlatyPlaty Registered User regular
    It seems to me like a core idea of British nationalism is that Britons are somehow just plain better at civilization than other folk

    And because of this stinking affair I've now been thinking about how startlingly common this notion is even in otherwise mostly unbiased historiography

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    Karl wrote: »
    I would love it if we just didn't bother but article 50 is going to be executed

    I would rather it sooner rather than later so we can get a deal sorted and start putting the pieces back together.

    I don't think thats true, doesnt the country leaving have to execute the article? So if the UK backed down it wouldnt be executed
    If they backed down it could very likely destabilize the country even more than it already is

    Even if they now have buyers remorse, the popular vote declared Leave and if parliament or a re vote overturn that it will only further incite the sizable chunk of Leave voters that were genuine and stand by their beliefs and cause a huge amount of chaos and strife

    It would be like if Trump won in November and was the trash fire he undoubtedly would be so he is impeached or we have a re-vote in February

    I mean, it was a 52% to 48% victory.

    And I think the only solace you could get from a Trump presidency would be his impending, inevitable impeachment.

    Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    Karl wrote: »
    I would love it if we just didn't bother but article 50 is going to be executed

    I would rather it sooner rather than later so we can get a deal sorted and start putting the pieces back together.

    I don't think thats true, doesnt the country leaving have to execute the article? So if the UK backed down it wouldnt be executed
    If they backed down it could very likely destabilize the country even more than it already is

    Even if they now have buyers remorse, the popular vote declared Leave and if parliament or a re vote overturn that it will only further incite the sizable chunk of Leave voters that were genuine and stand by their beliefs and cause a huge amount of chaos and strife

    It would be like if Trump won in November and was the trash fire he undoubtedly would be so he is impeached or we have a re-vote in February

    I mean, it was a 52% to 48% victory.

    And I think the only solace you could get from a Trump presidency would be his impending, inevitable impeachment.
    Yeah but the percentage doesn't matter, the fact that Leave won does.

    If they re voted today I have zero doubt Remain would win by a larger margin than Leave did the first time

    But it still won and that is all the still large chunk of voters and politicians who still, somehow, think it is a good idea to raise a huge shitstorm about the will of the people either being silence by the government or being manipulated into second guessing it's "true" desires

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    OmnipotentBagelOmnipotentBagel floof Registered User regular
    edited June 2016
    It seems to me like a core idea of British nationalism is that Britons are somehow just plain better at civilization than other folk

    And because of this stinking affair I've now been thinking about how startlingly common this notion is even in otherwise mostly unbiased historiography

    That's kind of a tenet of nationalism period. The specific language may change a bit, but, like, that's the same concept behind America's claim to be the most FREEDOM. It's why I view nationalism as a toxic concept, because at its core it's about ignoring or dismissing personal flaws and also about ignoring or dismissing others' accomplishments. Myopic on multiple levels at once.

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    JoeUserJoeUser Forum Santa Registered User regular
    Corbyn lost the vote

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    RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    172 votes to 40

    Damn

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    PlatyPlaty Registered User regular
    It seems to me like a core idea of British nationalism is that Britons are somehow just plain better at civilization than other folk

    And because of this stinking affair I've now been thinking about how startlingly common this notion is even in otherwise mostly unbiased historiography

    That's kind of a tenet of nationalism period. The specific language may change a bit, but, like, that's the same concept behind America's claim to be the most FREEDOM

    There is also nationalism which is based on a perceived inferiority

    German nationalism was very much driven by the idea that Germans lacked everything Western European nations possessed

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    Dis'Dis' Registered User regular
    Karl wrote: »
    Lets just start the clock so we can transition to a Norway style relationship and be done with it. Then we can rebuild our credit rating etc.

    The Brexiters would be incensed over 'Norway' style EEA - still free movement (freer actually since they're in Schengen) and money still being paid to the EU?

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