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GhostBusters: Aint Afraid of No Reviews
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-MlEmrUzB8GhostBusters got a remake, directed by Paul Feig. The trailers got a controversial response due to the main characters being women. Oh, the humanity. Actually, that's not true. The movie got immediately attacked when it was announced.
http://variety.com/2014/film/news/paul-feig-ghostbusters-comedy-reboot-1201274332/
That said, I have no beef with anyone who doesn't like it because it looks terrible or doesn't like reboots. Believe me, I didn't like the trailers either. But I do like the cast and the director. Loved Bridemaids.
Reviews have been mediocre, which I take as a win.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJhC-4UeBUwHere's RLM reviewing the original. Because, why not?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PS7CgXHxpsCan't wait to see their review.
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C'mon now. It was just a terrible trailer that showcased (hopefully) all the slapsticky moments, and the original wasn't a slapstick comedy. The fan recut trailer was pretty universally acclaimed. The backlash after the trailer was different than the backlash when the female cast was revealed.
Spy had the same issue. Spy was great, but the trailer made it look like the kind of run-of-the-mill comedy Kevin Hart keeps signing up for.
True. However, this got blown out of proportion by asshole MRA's/anti-feminists, that reaction is what made it controversial. And breaking a record for being disliked on You Tube? I agree the trailers were terrible, but it's not that bad.
Seriously. Bad remakes get made all the time, and sure the trailers definitely didn't look great (My wife and I gave a resounding 'ehhhh' after watching them)
But good lord, the sheer vitriol spewed all over the internet about this movie made the consistent 'I don't hate women, but' comments ring largely of 'Its all about ethics in journalism'
It makes me very happy that its ok to pretty good
I'm glad the movie seems to be at least OK. This will actually be my first proper exposure to all four leads in a movie. I've never seen a movie Melissa McCarthy is in unless you count Go, and I only found out she was in that yesterday when looking her up on imdb. I've had a little more exposure to the others from SNL clips.
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Fair enough. There was definitely a lot of MRA bullshit involved (and still is), but some of it was fair too. Polygon just released an article about how the misogyny and ensuing backlash have made it difficult to criticize it fairly, publicly.
TMNT's reboot got a ton of backlash but you're right, it wasn't as nasty or disgusting. Plus it was probably more deserved, given Michael Bay being awful and Paul Feig/Melissa McCarthy having a pretty good track record.
That same Polygon article makes the good point that AVGN's criticism would've been more valid if he hadn't gone ahead and seen/reviewed TMNT too (which he did in his very next video).
http://www.polygon.com/2016/7/13/12173660/ghostbusters-criticism-anger
Was TMNT as much as a cultural touchstone for AVGN has Ghostbusters is? Hey I like TMNT and while I try not to watch any Bay films from the trailer I thought having more crap from the cartoon (which had its charm but still was a weird bastardization of the violent comics) was a nice touch for a film I will end up never seeing.
It arguably has a higher profile than Ghostbusters. GB has been dormant as a mainstream sensation for decades, minus the Xtreme cartoon - which is very obscure. to begin with.
to us yes, but to AVGN, from all I know that dude could give a rats ass about TMNT, but he loves the absolute shit outta Ghostbusters so why bust his chops about seeing another Baysplosion because he didn't want to see a soulless cash grab of Ghostbusters.
Anyways I cant really speculate on the dudes thoughts so I guess its neither here nor there.
Someone in the previous thread said the new GB wasn't just a parade of fart jokes and low brow comedy so that's a big plus.
Misread, thought you meant in general. Unfortunately for AVGN, even if I agreed with him (I don't) he puts himself into the meat grinder by doing a silly thing around a very sensitive and controversial subject. Whether it was unintentional or not, he made himself look like he sided with the anti-GB crowd, so I wasn't surprised at the backlash he got from it.
Also, isn't he a professional reviewer? Shouldn't he be reviewing it, no matter what? And being a GB fan on top of that should be a bigger reason for him to see it. If it's a bad movie then he has actual ammunition to destroy it with a valid critique.
edit: If GB is a cash grab TMNT's reboot beat it to that by years. The first movie was a pure cash grab.
Paul Feig also loves Ghostbusters and calling the remake a soulless cash-grab is such an uncharitable reading.
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Eh,. not like he reports to an editor, he can review or not review whatever the hell he feels like its his show. He should be able to say so regardless if people try to lump him into the same crowd as the mouth foaming misogynists. I thought his video explained his reasons relatively well and at no point did I get the impression that he wasn't seeing it because of the female cast.
AVGN's criticism didn't even mention the gender of the new ghostbusters, he just said he didn't want to see the movie
people aren't obliged to give Sony money, it's a movie, an entertainment vehicle created to add profit to a giant corporation. People are acting like seeing it is supporting feminism, you would be infinitely better off donating $10 to any feminist charity
I don't even watch his dumb channel but that really seemed reaching
other than art house films and maybe some indie projects that's a safe bet for the entire Hollywood film industry.
That's fair. I'm not saying he belongs in that crowd, either. It's that how he did it gave that impression to many people and he hasn't taken it off completely. That's why if a You Tube personality gets involved like that while a situation like the GB controversy is going on, it has to be very delicately - or he's going to in his own little controversial shit storm. Or not done at all.
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Eh
Maybe to the company's board of directors, but projects that are intended to make bucket loads of money can still have a large amount of passionate people on them working with the intent of making a great product that they want people to legitimately love. A movie intended to make money doesn't immediately mean soulless husk.
Agree completely and yea it sucks that he got lumped in with the mouthbreathers, he could have penned a better review to make it more clear but I am going to guess people who lumped him in weren't watching the full video anyways. Comic Girl 19 crapped on the trailers too and nobody gave a fuck about that.
Id rather people say what they say instead of being afraid of being lumped in with the moron patrol, but its just a movie and not worth picking that as the hill to die on.
It was a funny and fun movie. It's definitely a Paul Feig take on Ghostbusters, but the coffee-table moment was far more poignant, especially if you've ever been bullied for being different. I thought Kristen Wiig sold that scene very well.
I also like that Leslie Jones wasn't just the "token black person", but actually contributed to the group in a meaningful way that was completely different from the other three characters. She knew all about the trivia and the history of New York, which is definitely a geeky thing.
The scenes with Chris Hemsworth being dumb as a rock got pretty old. I would have preferred a character that was beautiful, but quirky, rather than beautiful, but stupid. He had this really nice and disarming Dory-like "Hey, I'm pleased to meet you!" smile throughout the entire movie, even during the end sequence (which, for reasons that will become apparent if you see the movie, was a bit disturbing). That may just be Chris Hemsworth, though.
The Mayor subplot was really dumb. Just pants-on-head dumb.
I'm saddened that the dance sequence was relegated to the credits, and we didn't get to see a coordinated dance sequence at the end of the movie. However, that would probably lengthen the movie.
Glad to hear, she's my favorite character in the trailers. Stealing scenes without saying a word. Haven't seen McKinnon in anything before this, I do know she was in SNL.
She's always great on SNL, even with the (as has always been true of SNL) spotty nature of the material they provide.
Myself and my best friend have a tradition of watching Ghostbusters every Halloween and Ghostbusters 2 every New Year's Eve. We'll have to figure out a day to watch this one now.
Meanwhile, 73% of critics believe that this movie is worth seeing. But I have a hard time believing that the 47% of movie reviewers who gave this movie a "1" actually paid money to see it on opening day. Presumably, the people predisposed to give this movie a "1" would have also hated the trailer.
Now, fake ratings will happen for every movie. People enjoy beating a dead horse. But again, look at "Movie 43": It was universally panned by critics, but only 19% of raters give it a "1". Also, that movie has been out for many years, so people are a lot more likely to have watched it free on cable or something.
So in a nutshell... sexism.
Of course, a lot of protesters who genuinely dislike the movie will protest accusations of sexism. And that's bullshit "NotAllMen" reasoning. Here's the deal: If I complain about rampant racism against black people committed by the police, it is not helpful for a police officer to chime in with, "Hey, I'm a police officer, and there are times when black people deserve to get arrested for non-racist reasons!" That is not helpful. People aren't saying that you can't dislike this movie for non-sexist reasons. They're saying, "Holy shit, there's a huge sexism problem here. You might not be a part of that problem personally, but instead of making this about you, can you acknowledge that the problem exists? Thanks."
So if you don't like the movie for actual movie related reasons then you should just keep your opinion to yourself because of the douchebags who hate the movie because of the female cast? Or are people allowed to comment about it if they make mention of the douchepatrol that hates the film because of the "dirty SJW and women"?
And the implications. 80's movies have fucked up morals.
yea its pretty amazing how much has changed in regards to what was "Acceptable" back then and what is now. I still love me some 80s films.
I've seen more attempts to straight up either downplay the sexism or to outright think it cant be sexism.
If women complain about sexual assault statistics on campus, are you going to complain that it must all be slutty liars because you've never personally assaulted anyone?
Or are you going to acknowledge the problem as real even if you personally don't participate in it?
I just saw the movie.
I loved it.
My biggest/only complaint is that it felt like at least one critical second act scene was cut.
.....you guys do realize we're talking about a movie, right?
Any particular reason we're dragging in BLM and Rape?
In the context on this thread who are you having this conversation with. I guarantee there isnt anyone here that doesn't a knowledge that there is crowd of loud assholes who are spewing hate and down voting because "women".
Movies aren't exempt from being tied into society's problems, in-universe or outside of it. In this movie's case it's the audience reaction that here this comes in. The horrific nature of the problem relate to women's issues, and race is a similar theme.