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Gunmen attack Mall in Munich, Germany.
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shooting in Munich mall
No currently known links to terrorist organizations, body of the suspect found not far away. not covered in this particular article but mentioned in others (so treat as unconfirmed) as there may have been multiple shooters.
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German police are engaged in a huge anti-terror manhunt in the city of Munich after nine people died in a shooting at a shopping centre.
Police are investigating whether one of the bodies is that of a perpetrator. At least 10 people have been wounded.
Three armed attackers were earlier reported to be on the run. Police urged people to avoid public places.
The attack was at the Olympia mall in the north-western Moosach district. Public transport has been suspended.
Police helicopters are flying over the city and the elite border security unit, GSG9, has been flown in.
The body of the suspected attacker was found about 1km (0.6 miles) from the shopping centre, local media reported, and police were using a robot to check it for explosives.
No currently known links to terrorist organizations, body of the suspect found not far away. not covered in this particular article but mentioned in others (so treat as unconfirmed) as there may have been multiple shooters.
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police are giving a 'cautious all-clear' for now.
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It is the norm. Reports of multiple gunmen are rarely correct but are very common because of confusion during the shootings. That one image floating around about common things during mass shootings/terrorist attacks has that on it for that reason.
i think once these things kick off people get jumpy and false reports start streaming in. a few of these are bound to get to the press whether they're genuine mistakes or come from attention seekers. it certainly doesn't help but i don't think there's anyway that it can be stopped or avoided unfortunately.
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Good on the Munich Police for refusing to comment further for the time being, since it still seems too early to say.
For the Dallas shooting, it was I believe for 2 reasons. 1, the shooter had fired so many shots, most of them effective in harming or killing an officer, that it seemed like multiple shooters (instead of one highly trained shooter) and 2, because there were many people open carrying at the event which added to the confusion.
I'm guessing that if open carry isn't a thing in Germany, then I would think it's a mistake less likely to happen there.
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factor in return fire and it could get confusing as to where shots are coming from and who is involved. it really is a major factor in why its best to wait for confirmation of facts because there will be confusion and misinformation.
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I would have bet money that the perpetrators in a gun incident I witnessed were white or Hispanic, but the news of their conviction later revealed they were Pacific islanders.
Why was I wrong? It was dark, I was surprised, and everyone was moving quickly before the shooting started (no fatalities).
Ive only been shot at with simunition chalk rounds, but the shots seem to come from every damn direction because your senses go on overload.
The police seem to have been incredible, providing a constant stream of information on where to go and what to do while locking down any speculation on the attack itself. They even explained that they were treating the incident as a terrorist attack so they were fully prepared for the worst case scenario, and that it was too soon to say if it actually was. The police in Nice were amazing too, by all accounts. I kinda hope the Gardai and other police forces are taking notes.
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What is it that makes kids with parents/grandparents from that region not just latch on to the sort of inauthentic version of their heritage, but the extremist "call to action" that comes with it?
It seems like just calling it extremist is a cheap way out of examination of why people feel pushed to that extreme.
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The dominant narrative of western society is the idea of "belonging." In Europe that is belonging to the nation and the flag. In America, that is belonging to your race.
Any force for good involves uniting under racial lines or under the flag. Any evil is the other, the other race, the other flag.
But for many people, these lines are chains that bind them outside the social norm. Everyday interactions that are pleasant and friendly are constant reminders for these outsiders that they are not one of the many.
For young men entering society, this desire for a sense of belonging pushes them in many directions. Some go into the arms of many lovers, others to drugs and addiction, others military service, others to explore the world. And then you have youth like this, whose isolation manifests into hatred for everyone, and manifests into violence.
I got the impression that that video of the people yelling at him from the roof was a while after he'd originally opened fire, though. I don't think those people were the reason he did it.
For those wondering, the video referenced is here. Someone linked it in the Nice thread. Harsh language in German, shots fired but it doesn't look like anyone got hit in the video.
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edit - on second thought I was too quick to relate this to international terrorism. I saw the screencap claiming the guy was yelling "Allahu Akbar" while shooting at people, but that does not necessarily reveal his motivations
It's a statement that's been given on a few places, it's legit. Also saw it on a CNN stream here. That said, there's a contradictory account from another witness saying he was shouting something with a thick accent that may have sounded similar. There's also the rooftop argument which didn't refernce anything Islamic (and from the translation I saw, had a brief complaint about bullying as people screamed 'bloody Turks' at him).
We just don't know motivations right now.
Edit: Here's the reddit translation of the recording.
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Though that translation certainly presents a tragically plausible theory.
As of this posting (in case it changes): Sounds like he maybe failed his finals, blames bullying, snapped.
They're filling a lot of blanks where all I'm hearing is garbled speech.
he does mention bullying, the 5th class and having being raised in germany, though.
No mentions of finals, though.
Police chief saying no links to ISIS, was a teenager apparently obsessed with/has documents on various mass killings. Connection to Brevik.
I'll admit I am relieved. I almost broke something when I read he was Iranian. Now the question is how the fuck did he get a gun?
My heart goes out to Munich
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eh, guns are easy to come by in europe what with poor wartorn african countries across a short stretch of water and poor ex-war torn countries to the east.
The police are usually good at fishing the idiots out but this guy seems to have been self-contained lunacy.
I'm in Ireland and while I don't own guns I have a family member who owns one. I don't think any of my friends own any guns, but I live in the city. In the country it's not unheard of for people to have a rifle or something somewhere about the house, it's just not particularly common as guns aren't particularly useful a lot of the time and even people who hunt are usually hunting with dogs rather than guns.
So far as I know, Germany has different kinds of gun licenses, some sports-centric and some allowing you to carry a gun in public. The only surprise is that in the video people have been talking about the gunman apparently mentions psychiatric treatment, which oftentimes will disqualify you from gun ownership. It could be that his mental state wasn't seen as severe enough to bar him from owning a gun, or that he slipped through the cracks like the Cumbria shooter in the UK or that he stole someone else's gun. I expect we'll find out in the coming days.
It's much, much harder to get your hands on the type of weapons that were used in something like the Paris attacks. From what I've read, they tend to be smuggled from the Ukraine to Belgium and then on to the target country. There have been a fair few arrests in both countries over the past few months where the smugglers have been caught. I'd been noticing the reports in the news and has assumed people were plotting to target the Euros, since the weapons were supposed to be smuggled into France. It might be that they were for the Bastille Day attack instead, and that was why the guy ended up with a bunch of fake guns and grenades. I would guess we'll find out more about that too.
Once again, might be my ears but people are reading things into words.
The words the kid uses are "stationaere Behandlung" which simply means he was treated for something at a hospital as opposed to regular checkups or recovery at home.
This does not automatically make it a mental thing. He could have been operated on.
The people shouting at the kid suggest a mental institution.
saw some reports that the gun had the serial number filed off, but nothing verified.
If you're in the US, Walmart. 300 rounds is not a lot.
As soon as I that I went "well at least it's not isis"
Shortly before going "Oh fuck"
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That's my point. It is over here. Might as well be "eight pounds of C4" from a European context.
Brass casings are trivially easy to refill and easy to come by. 300 rounds sounds scary, but in reality it's a pretty negligible amount of ammunition. I went to a really simple shotgun range with some friends once, running through the 25 shot clay pigeon course. 200 shells for half an hour's worth of shooting.
You can't give someone a pirate ship in one game, and then take it back in the next game. It's rude.
Seems more like Columbine than San Bernadino, Breivik or Nice/Orlando (where the ISIS link seems secondary to general mental illness/instability)
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Aha! That's probably that then. I haven't seen the video for myself, and I don't speak German anyway.
Guns are around, but they mostly float around the criminal circuit and tend to mostly be used to shoot other criminals. Armed Robberies aren't a particular common crime here for instance.
Automatic weapons mostly follow the Slovakian route: When Slovakia joined the EU they "creatively" interpreted the rules about "permanently disabling" automatic weapons, which are supposed to be sold for decorative purposes. Only the Slovakians, on purpose, did a very poor job of this, and a trained person could work such a weapon back into a usuable state in an hour or two.
Only after the Paris attacks has the hammer gone down on this practice.
I'd take whatever hsu says in these kind of threads with a giant pinch of salt
I don't mean to be rude, but when you're linking to the French-Breton equivalent of Stormfront (as he did in a past thread), suspicion is in order