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    ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    I mean they won't all be ice

    Right

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    Theodore FlooseveltTheodore Floosevelt proud parent of eight beautiful girls and shalmelo dorne (which is currently being ruled by a woman (awesome role model for my daughters)) #dornedadRegistered User regular
    i would like an onix that is made of coconuts and/or bamboo please

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    ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    I would like a Jigglypuff

    made of Fire

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    DrDinosaurDrDinosaur Registered User regular
    I mean they won't all be ice

    Right

    The Exeggutor became Grass / Dragon, so ice typing isn't a guarantee

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    King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
    I mean they won't all be ice

    Right

    Nah. I think they'll have fun with that volcano and the electric area.

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    Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    A new fire type drifloon that lives around volcanoes to fill itself with hot air

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    OmnipotentBagelOmnipotentBagel floof Registered User regular
    Redesigned Pokemon are cool. Imagine the other ones they could do! An Ice type Onix! An Ice type Volcarona! Or a Scyther with redesigned blades... Made of ice!

    But seriously, imagine re-typed starters. Like, like X and Y, with a twist.
    Maybe we'll finally get that Crystal Onix from the anime.

    Although I hope it's not just "a bunch of classic Pokemon that are Ice now" because Ice is a really crappy typing, defensively.

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    ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    a pumpkaboo but its a cocoanut

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    OmnipotentBagelOmnipotentBagel floof Registered User regular
    I'm stickin' with Hula Ludicolo.

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    Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    edited August 2016
    So ostensibly there's a way to get the non-Alola forms

    And a bunch of Pokemon this gen are invasive species from the mainland

    And the alola region seems kinda small

    And people have wanted to travel back to an old region again ever since gold and silver did that

    And we already have a region that represents the mainland United States

    Just, yknow

    Sayin

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    Goose!Goose! That's me, honey Show me the way home, honeyRegistered User regular
    Man, I'd really rather they went with new pokemon over Alola forms.

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    OmnipotentBagelOmnipotentBagel floof Registered User regular
    So ostensibly there's a way to get the non-Alola forms

    And a bunch of Pokemon this gem are invasive species from the mainland

    And the alola region seems kinda small

    And people have wanted to travel back to an old region again ever since gold and silver did that

    And we already have a region that represents the mainland United States

    Just, yknow

    Sayin

    On the one hand, I'd be all down for visiting another region. But on the other, we've already had two distinct games in Unova, given that BW2 were brand new games. I think, as much as I don't like it, it would make the most sense to revisit Sinnoh as it's the place we've seen the least and maybe it showing up in this game would be enough for the handful of people who inexplicably want Diamond/Pearl remakes.

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    Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    edited August 2016
    I am a big proponent of alola forms of only because exeggcutor is great and has deserved to be a better Pokemon for over a decade

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    Goose!Goose! That's me, honey Show me the way home, honeyRegistered User regular
    OH MY GOD Gumshoos has the ability Stakeout, I love it.

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    ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    Goose! wrote: »
    Man, I'd really rather they went with new pokemon over Alola forms.

    I keep seeing this

    That's really not how character design works

    The alternate forms are not "taking up design space" or whatever, just like Dark Pit didn't "steal" a character slot in Smash Bros

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    Mr. GMr. G Registered User regular
    someone should really tell Game Freak what a dragon is, though

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    OmnipotentBagelOmnipotentBagel floof Registered User regular
    So this is interesting
    There are two conditions for performing Z-Moves: a Pokémon must learn a move of the same type as a Z-Crystal, and it must be holding the corresponding Z-Crystal.

    Sounds like some weird combination of Mega Stones and Plates. But the Z-Move your Pokemon uses doesn't have to be one of its types, just a type of a move it knows. Which adds an interesting twist to picking moves for your Pokemon. Also means that practically every Pokemon will be able to use the Poison-type Z-Move.

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    ZenyatooZenyatoo Registered User regular
    Goose! wrote: »
    Man, I'd really rather they went with new pokemon over Alola forms.

    I keep seeing this

    That's really not how character design works

    The alternate forms are not "taking up design space" or whatever, just like Dark Pit didn't "steal" a character slot in Smash Bros

    Sure it is? You have limited people, time, and money spent on any project.
    By definition taking time, people and resources into developing one form of a pokemon means you do not have these things for other pokemon.

    if it takes 3 designers 2 weeks collaborating to make a pokemon design, and pay them $x per hour, and you have $y budget for pokemon design...

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    Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    edited August 2016
    Literally every Pokemon sequel has allocated a little bit of space for new evolutions/pre evolutions/forms of old Pokemon

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    OmnipotentBagelOmnipotentBagel floof Registered User regular
    Mr. G wrote: »
    someone should really tell Game Freak what a dragon is, though

    Who are you to tell a dragon what it can or can't be?

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    ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    Z-Crystal is the power rangers-est shit ever holy crap

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    OmnipotentBagelOmnipotentBagel floof Registered User regular
    Literally every Pokemon sequel has allocated a little bit of space for new evolutions/pre evolutions/forms of old Pokemon

    Gen V.

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    Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    Zenyatoo wrote: »
    Goose! wrote: »
    Man, I'd really rather they went with new pokemon over Alola forms.

    I keep seeing this

    That's really not how character design works

    The alternate forms are not "taking up design space" or whatever, just like Dark Pit didn't "steal" a character slot in Smash Bros

    Sure it is? You have limited people, time, and money spent on any project.
    By definition taking time, people and resources into developing one form of a pokemon means you do not have these things for other pokemon.

    if it takes 3 designers 2 weeks collaborating to make a pokemon design, and pay them $x per hour, and you have $y budget for pokemon design...

    It takes less time to tweak an existing design than to make one from scratch

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    OmnipotentBagelOmnipotentBagel floof Registered User regular
    Z-Crystal is the power rangers-est shit ever holy crap

    All they need is a mechanic where you give each of the Pokemon in your team a different crystal and they combine into one giant Pokemon.

    (I would not like this, for the record. Not because it's not cool, but because it would complicate the battle system in a way I do not appreciate)

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    Mr. GMr. G Registered User regular
    Mr. G wrote: »
    someone should really tell Game Freak what a dragon is, though

    Who are you to tell a dragon what it can or can't be?

    I mean it IS like, a species of thing

    If someone told me that my dog was actually a horse they would be a liar

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    ZenyatooZenyatoo Registered User regular
    Zenyatoo wrote: »
    Goose! wrote: »
    Man, I'd really rather they went with new pokemon over Alola forms.

    I keep seeing this

    That's really not how character design works

    The alternate forms are not "taking up design space" or whatever, just like Dark Pit didn't "steal" a character slot in Smash Bros

    Sure it is? You have limited people, time, and money spent on any project.
    By definition taking time, people and resources into developing one form of a pokemon means you do not have these things for other pokemon.

    if it takes 3 designers 2 weeks collaborating to make a pokemon design, and pay them $x per hour, and you have $y budget for pokemon design...

    It takes less time to tweak an existing design than to make one from scratch

    Sure does. Doesnt stop resource allocation being a question though does it?
    Again. If it takes 3 designers 2 weeks to make a new design. And 3 designers 1 week to rehash an old one. Then you can make 2 changes rather than 1 new design.
    But it's still taking up your resources that you have allocated to pokemon design budget.

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    OmnipotentBagelOmnipotentBagel floof Registered User regular
    Mr. G wrote: »
    Mr. G wrote: »
    someone should really tell Game Freak what a dragon is, though

    Who are you to tell a dragon what it can or can't be?

    I mean it IS like, a species of thing

    If someone told me that my dog was actually a horse they would be a liar

    Uh I have some bad news for you, buddy

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    Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    Literally every Pokemon sequel has allocated a little bit of space for new evolutions/pre evolutions/forms of old Pokemon

    Gen V.

    Huh okay yeah

    Still it is hardly a new thing

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    Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    Zenyatoo wrote: »
    Zenyatoo wrote: »
    Goose! wrote: »
    Man, I'd really rather they went with new pokemon over Alola forms.

    I keep seeing this

    That's really not how character design works

    The alternate forms are not "taking up design space" or whatever, just like Dark Pit didn't "steal" a character slot in Smash Bros

    Sure it is? You have limited people, time, and money spent on any project.
    By definition taking time, people and resources into developing one form of a pokemon means you do not have these things for other pokemon.

    if it takes 3 designers 2 weeks collaborating to make a pokemon design, and pay them $x per hour, and you have $y budget for pokemon design...

    It takes less time to tweak an existing design than to make one from scratch

    Sure does. Doesnt stop resource allocation being a question though does it?
    Again. If it takes 3 designers 2 weeks to make a new design. And 3 designers 1 week to rehash an old one. Then you can make 2 changes rather than 1 new design.
    But it's still taking up your resources that you have allocated to pokemon design budget.

    And when you only have one week left...

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    BeastehBeasteh THAT WOULD NOT KILL DRACULARegistered User regular
    gen v was all-new all-different pokemon

    also my least favourite gen for that reason

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    OmnipotentBagelOmnipotentBagel floof Registered User regular
    Literally every Pokemon sequel has allocated a little bit of space for new evolutions/pre evolutions/forms of old Pokemon

    Gen V.

    Huh okay yeah

    Still it is hardly a new thing

    Yeah, I wasn't arguing the main point--I actually agree, just immediately thought of that when you said "every one". Frankly "no direct ties to the other games" was kind of the Gen V gimmick and it's totally the exception that proves the rule.

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    Theodore FlooseveltTheodore Floosevelt proud parent of eight beautiful girls and shalmelo dorne (which is currently being ruled by a woman (awesome role model for my daughters)) #dornedadRegistered User regular
    i'm not gonna say that finding new ways to play with old pokes is better than new pokes, but it's almost as important in my mind

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    Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    And to be fair gen V totally included a Luvdisc evolution that they forgot to actually make evolve from luvdisc

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    Butler For Life #1Butler For Life #1 Twinning is WinningRegistered User regular
    aaaaaaaand there's a flower mantis pokemon

    ...I'm gonna come home and it's going to be floor to ceiling Lurantis pictures

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    OmnipotentBagelOmnipotentBagel floof Registered User regular
    And to be fair gen V totally included a Luvdisc evolution that they forgot to actually make evolve from luvdisc

    I guarantee someone at GameFreak made this Luvdisc evo (for god knows what reason) and then the word came down that there weren't going to be any old Pokemon in the regional dex and he was all "well I already made it so we're using it."

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    ZenyatooZenyatoo Registered User regular
    Zenyatoo wrote: »
    Zenyatoo wrote: »
    Goose! wrote: »
    Man, I'd really rather they went with new pokemon over Alola forms.

    I keep seeing this

    That's really not how character design works

    The alternate forms are not "taking up design space" or whatever, just like Dark Pit didn't "steal" a character slot in Smash Bros

    Sure it is? You have limited people, time, and money spent on any project.
    By definition taking time, people and resources into developing one form of a pokemon means you do not have these things for other pokemon.

    if it takes 3 designers 2 weeks collaborating to make a pokemon design, and pay them $x per hour, and you have $y budget for pokemon design...

    It takes less time to tweak an existing design than to make one from scratch

    Sure does. Doesnt stop resource allocation being a question though does it?
    Again. If it takes 3 designers 2 weeks to make a new design. And 3 designers 1 week to rehash an old one. Then you can make 2 changes rather than 1 new design.
    But it's still taking up your resources that you have allocated to pokemon design budget.

    And when you only have one week left...

    Then you got time management problems. just like everybody else! :P

    But, still. At some point during development somebody via artistic decisions, or economic reasons, allocated budget/time towards pokemon (re)designing. Suggesting that you have infinite time/money/people and so 1 design isnt "taking away" from another is foolish. There's a hard limit to how much development can go into the next pokemon game. Whether they chose to do redesigns or not is irrelevant. Some of the (Finite!) resources went to them, rather than designing new pokemon (For whatever reason they did redesigns is again, irrelevant.)

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    Dr. FlamingoDr. Flamingo 49 Gilded Disc Perceives the Sun Registered User regular
    Like, it probably wasn't a matter of, "We need a Pokemon to fill this route, maybe an Ice type that's also a Steel type. Let's flip a coin to see whether it's a new Pokemon or a redesigned old one." It was more likely that if they didn't try the redesign thing, those routes would have a different old Poke or one less.

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    ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    Zenyatoo wrote: »
    Zenyatoo wrote: »
    Goose! wrote: »
    Man, I'd really rather they went with new pokemon over Alola forms.

    I keep seeing this

    That's really not how character design works

    The alternate forms are not "taking up design space" or whatever, just like Dark Pit didn't "steal" a character slot in Smash Bros

    Sure it is? You have limited people, time, and money spent on any project.
    By definition taking time, people and resources into developing one form of a pokemon means you do not have these things for other pokemon.

    if it takes 3 designers 2 weeks collaborating to make a pokemon design, and pay them $x per hour, and you have $y budget for pokemon design...

    It takes less time to tweak an existing design than to make one from scratch

    Sure does. Doesnt stop resource allocation being a question though does it?
    Again. If it takes 3 designers 2 weeks to make a new design. And 3 designers 1 week to rehash an old one. Then you can make 2 changes rather than 1 new design.
    But it's still taking up your resources that you have allocated to pokemon design budget.

    it wouldn't be even CLOSE to this ratio

    it probably took the same amount of time to redesign the pokemon models for the new game for every pokemon as it took to color vulpix white

    At that point you may as well be saying they shouldn't be bothering with backgrounds and graphics and should just spend all time on pokemon because every mailbox and street sign takes away from new pokemon

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    TurambarTurambar Independent Registered User regular
    That trailer was awesome!

    I'm starting to wonder if they've ditched megas?

    Still plenty of time, I guess

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    OmnipotentBagelOmnipotentBagel floof Registered User regular
    Zenyatoo wrote: »
    Zenyatoo wrote: »
    Zenyatoo wrote: »
    Goose! wrote: »
    Man, I'd really rather they went with new pokemon over Alola forms.

    I keep seeing this

    That's really not how character design works

    The alternate forms are not "taking up design space" or whatever, just like Dark Pit didn't "steal" a character slot in Smash Bros

    Sure it is? You have limited people, time, and money spent on any project.
    By definition taking time, people and resources into developing one form of a pokemon means you do not have these things for other pokemon.

    if it takes 3 designers 2 weeks collaborating to make a pokemon design, and pay them $x per hour, and you have $y budget for pokemon design...

    It takes less time to tweak an existing design than to make one from scratch

    Sure does. Doesnt stop resource allocation being a question though does it?
    Again. If it takes 3 designers 2 weeks to make a new design. And 3 designers 1 week to rehash an old one. Then you can make 2 changes rather than 1 new design.
    But it's still taking up your resources that you have allocated to pokemon design budget.

    And when you only have one week left...

    Then you got time management problems. just like everybody else! :P

    But, still. At some point during development somebody via artistic decisions, or economic reasons, allocated budget/time towards pokemon (re)designing. Suggesting that you have infinite time/money/people and so 1 design isnt "taking away" from another is foolish. There's a hard limit to how much development can go into the next pokemon game. Whether they chose to do redesigns or not is irrelevant. Some of the (Finite!) resources went to them, rather than designing new pokemon (For whatever reason they did redesigns is again, irrelevant.)

    There's no way Gen VI having the smallest ever selection of new Pokemon and also having a bunch of Megas was a coincidence. I'm not going to claim causality one way or the other (Megas to cover for limited design time or vice versa) but the two are almost definitely linked.

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