Are the undead, as we're discussing here, limited to humans/humanoids? Or are there undead examples of other things that go bump in the night?
Zombie hydras?
Draconic Draculas?
Are the undead, as we're discussing here, limited to humans/humanoids? Or are there undead examples of other things that go bump in the night?
Zombie hydras?
Draconic Draculas?
Anything alive can become undead in some manner or another, however, humanoid tend to be the preferred due to ease of access, and most supernatural creatures get worse when undead. like a zombie hydra is just a big multiheaded rotting lizard, big whoop.
Corporeal undead are typically thought to be the easiest of the undead to deal with, but this does not universally true. Many stronger types can simply put themselves back together, while others require special means from them not re-appearing at a later time, making them just as hard to remove as any incorporeal undead.
When facing most Corporeal undead several weapons are very effective as a general rule, such as fire, as dried out corpses tend to burn fairly well, axes are also good as the chopping side useful for most fleshy undead while the flat end can be used as a hammer for breaking apart bony undead. Magic is of course useful, if available, as is a strong belief in a deity as many subconsciously can focus magic through that.
Corporeal/Intelligent Examples: Vampires, Revenants, Mummies, Death knights, Liches, Zombielords.
These types of undead are most notable for their ability to reason and problem solve, even if they are not quite human in mind anymore, some can even be bribed if craft enough. Also notably among most of these are extreme durability, as all except the death knight requiring specific methods to destroy entirely. This makes them very tricky to deal with more so because they’re aware of it and will often attempt to disguise their status as such to dissuade people from enacting those rituals to destroy them so they are merely set back, not outright destroyed.
Now, to say these undead are the easiest to dispatch might be true in comparison to most, as simply rendering their bodies functionless stops them forever. However, most of these are fairly easy to make for experienced necromancers are therefore present in numbers unseen in intelligent corporeal undead. Most of these creatures are about as smart as vermin, simply following tasks given and possess no real supernatural power beyond existence. As such they tend to act as fodder and distractions, but their threat should not be discounted, even a single zombie can kill an unsuspecting human.
Corporeal/Reenactors are rare enough that we don’t have any examples on tap. Most Reenactors are spectral, meaning that the physical being with these instances are just as important to the puzzle as who they are. Many aren’t even noticed to be undead and are simply thought to be stuck in a rut by people who witness them, it’s not until the start decaying noticeably that people suspect anything. Dealing with these is a very case by case instance, if you see a Corporeal Reenactor please contact a professional, do not engage as their actions when interrupted can be erratic.
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UnbrokenEvaHIGH ON THE WIREBUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered Userregular
Dr. Melding,
What if I got a syringe and injected liquid dogshit into Dracula's veins?
Vampires without stupid weaknesses aren't vampires in my view.
Bring on failure to cross running water, garlic, crossroads, etc.
See those stupid sparkly fashion models get around THAT.
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FakefauxCóiste BodharDriving John McCain to meet some Iraqis who'd very much like to make his acquaintanceRegistered Userregular
Dr. Melding,
Lately I have been hearing the echoing wails of babies near my house at night, and am convinced I have seen infantile corpses scuttling through the underbrush. However, my cattle are also sick. How do I tell if this is an infestation of mylings or an infestation of ustrels? Please advise, I think they're building a nest in the attic.
Yeah, honestly, I feel like a proton pack would just start annihilating matter like it usually does. Basically, it would work as a really fancy flamethrower. Which is, y'know... just fine.
knitdanIn ur baseKillin ur guysRegistered Userregular
What if you put a WELCOME DRACULA mat outside your door but then just inside you've got a floor rug covering up a pit filled with garlic-smeared punji sticks?
“I was quick when I came in here, I’m twice as quick now”
-Indiana Solo, runner of blades
Lately I have been hearing the echoing wails of babies near my house at night, and am convinced I have seen infantile corpses scuttling through the underbrush. However, my cattle are also sick. How do I tell if this is an infestation of mylings or an infestation of ustrels? Please advise, I think they're building a nest in the attic.
Sincerely,
Babysieged in Iowa
First things first, how are you seeing dead babies crawling around and have not called anyone? If i thought i saw a baby crawling around my bushes i would have called all the cops. Shit's freaky.
The dead cattle does suggest an Ustrel, however it could be related. Investigating your attic during the day might be a good idea, setting fire to any nests found, as if this is a new Ustrel it will be too weak to survive the fire and the day light. If it is mature enough they still don't tend to eat humans so it might be forced to flee. a Myling would be an odd find as they tend to only want to be properly buried, attacking cows for nurishment is slightly out of character, all the same though you shouldn't approach on your own.
Honestly there's a lot of child spirit folklore to go on, without some fact finding it's hard to narrow it down to something specific. So your best bet is to find a wolf you can trust, go up into your attic, set fire to any found nests and let the wolf do the business. If there is more than one, set the house on fire, it belongs to them now.
Or, maybe your neighbour is a necromancer and is has lost their mind creating a perfect family of undead children and is also a bad parent. These things happens, shockingly often. Which is why we're trying to get things apst to make practising necromancers to register.
Would a proton pack work on a vampire? Could you successfully trap and incarcerate one in a containment grid?
If i remember correctly, when facing vampires the ghost busters made some kind of ghost shooting cannon to fend them off, but that might not be canon. Allt he same it would have some effect, as it is effectively an erratic laser, if it has any special effects i'm going with no.
thread title is criminally negligent. nobody can kill dracula
You can't really kill Dracula, but you can kill A Dracula. Plus dealing with Actual Ass Dracula requires a great deal of clearance that even I wouldn't be called in and I was at one point considered an expert on undead.
Would a proton pack work on a vampire? Could you successfully trap and incarcerate one in a containment grid?
If i remember correctly, when facing vampires the ghost busters made some kind of ghost shooting cannon to fend them off, but that might not be canon. Allt he same it would have some effect, as it is effectively an erratic laser, if it has any special effects i'm going with no.
I guess it's just as well, a Ghostbuster and a Dracula shouldn't really be fighting anyway. They have some common ground.
neither can cross streams
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cj iwakuraThe Rhythm RegentBears The Name FreedomRegistered Userregular
Dr. Melding,
How do you contend with vampires that have established a political pecking order and maintain a vice grip on society from the shadows?
How do you contend with vampires that have established a political pecking order and maintain a vice grip on society from the shadows?
Sincerely,
Sabbat en Espana
Well, typically we operate by Bull in A China shop logic and smash everything, and hope that things end up being okay, after all we're just here to clean up vampires not deal with the social political situation of vampires. In this regard we tend to murder our way up through the ranks until we have an opening at the head vampire and with a carefully constructed team take them down. Luckily head vampires themselves don't have much of a public presence as people would notice if they stopped aging after 50 years, and it's too much work to constantly pretend to be y our own son so if they go missing no one really questions it outside of their set up organization.
Now, ones with actual political pull are a bit harder to get at, and we have a few we have been tracking looking for openings but as of yet they remain out of reach without exposing ourselves as well. However, few people actually want to be controlled by vampires, and are more likely to evoke demonic and fey beings for help when a vampire is attempting to edge in, which has stopped vampires for gaining too much power in the modern world. There was a single case where someone managed to forge a pact with angels, which is kind of amazing in its own right. that worked out, about as well as any other but it drove the vampires out of the nation from what we can report. Details are of course top secret, but if you look around at what nation doesn't have vampires in it and you think should, well, it becomes clear.
But yeah, we're less concerned about vampires than we are demonic and dragon cults. Actual dangerous things. In comparison vampires are kids trying to sit at the adult table.
Hope this helped,
D. Melding, Still not a doctor but if anyone has an extra honorary doctorate laying around..
How can you tell if your city is infested with Draculas? As a follow up, what is the difference between a Dracula infestation versus an Actual Ass Dracula infestation?
Best wishes,
Sleeveless in Seattle
"Go down, kick ass, and set yourselves up as gods, that's our Prime Directive!"
How can you tell if your city is infested with Draculas? As a follow up, what is the difference between a Dracula infestation versus an Actual Ass Dracula infestation?
Best wishes,
Sleeveless in Seattle
Dear Sleeveless,
In reverse order, you can't have an Actual Ass Dracula infestation, there is only one Actual Ass Dracula, however the vampires created when he feeds are Draculas, they themselves are not Actual Ass Dracula.
As far ad detecting if your city is being overrun by vampires, it is harder to tell because they're fairly clever. Strange murders are a tip off, reports of a serial killer operating in multiple locations can be a tip off, or just the finding of a lot of blood drained murder victims. Also how lively a city's night life is. Vampires tend to settle in cities that are very active at night as it gives more opportunities for feeding and general activities. IF there are a lot of places that stay open after last call, there could be a growing vampire population as whiel they can eat they don't drink alcohol. 24 hour diners are also a hot bed for vampires.
As a general rule a city like Seattle has probably at most 20 Draculas operating there in some manner, any more than that and they would call too much attention to themselves.
Hope this helps,
D. Melding, Sleeved in Vancouver.
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cj iwakuraThe Rhythm RegentBears The Name FreedomRegistered Userregular
It's fairly common knowledge amongst the Camarilla that messing with Seattle is a surefire way to get a Megacorp on your tail, and not even the Ventrue want anything to do with that.
Perhaps a brief clarifier to the earlier missive. Is there a substantial difference between Actual Ass Dracula coming to town versus the local Draculas dicking around?
"Go down, kick ass, and set yourselves up as gods, that's our Prime Directive!"
Hail Hydra
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Tommy2Handswhat is this where am iRegistered Userregular
Do Draculas feel pain? What kind of conditions could a Dracula survive in?
It's fairly common knowledge amongst the Camarilla that messing with Seattle is a surefire way to get a Megacorp on your tail, and not even the Ventrue want anything to do with that.
Tell that to the local Cam, buncha neon-color drek-suckin bottom feeders. MHVV rights, my can.
"Go down, kick ass, and set yourselves up as gods, that's our Prime Directive!"
Hail Hydra
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MrMonroepassed outon the floor nowRegistered Userregular
Do Draculas feel pain? What kind of conditions could a Dracula survive in?
Yours Truly,
Not a Martian
Dear Earthling,
As noted before many Draculas are algophobic. So It is fair to say they feel pain. As for what they can survive in, I cant' say we've really tested. I think they would freeze int he vaccuum of space but they'd probably be able to revive form that. They're able to revive from most things save complete immolation.
Perhaps a brief clarifier to the earlier missive. Is there a substantial difference between Actual Ass Dracula coming to town versus the local Draculas dicking around?
Well, i wouldn't expect Dracula operating out of your area any time soon. when Bela Lugosi died he was MIA for nearly a decade, So i would expect at least another 3 years before he recovers from Christopher Lee. Dude takes it real hard when actors who play him die.
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Yours Truly,
Not a Martian
I once fought a vampire elf, so technically yes.
Like supernatural negging?
Zombie hydras?
Draconic Draculas?
Anything alive can become undead in some manner or another, however, humanoid tend to be the preferred due to ease of access, and most supernatural creatures get worse when undead. like a zombie hydra is just a big multiheaded rotting lizard, big whoop.
Incidentally also, in my opinion, the best vampire film ever made
(Not trying to insinuate that Draculas are fictional)
That's a regular dracula that got into space. Technically we are from space!
Corporeal undead are typically thought to be the easiest of the undead to deal with, but this does not universally true. Many stronger types can simply put themselves back together, while others require special means from them not re-appearing at a later time, making them just as hard to remove as any incorporeal undead.
When facing most Corporeal undead several weapons are very effective as a general rule, such as fire, as dried out corpses tend to burn fairly well, axes are also good as the chopping side useful for most fleshy undead while the flat end can be used as a hammer for breaking apart bony undead. Magic is of course useful, if available, as is a strong belief in a deity as many subconsciously can focus magic through that.
Corporeal/Intelligent Examples: Vampires, Revenants, Mummies, Death knights, Liches, Zombielords.
These types of undead are most notable for their ability to reason and problem solve, even if they are not quite human in mind anymore, some can even be bribed if craft enough. Also notably among most of these are extreme durability, as all except the death knight requiring specific methods to destroy entirely. This makes them very tricky to deal with more so because they’re aware of it and will often attempt to disguise their status as such to dissuade people from enacting those rituals to destroy them so they are merely set back, not outright destroyed.
Corporeal/Mindless Examples: Zombie, Ghoul, Skeleton, boneclaws, crawling skins, flameskull, wrackspawn, undying.
Now, to say these undead are the easiest to dispatch might be true in comparison to most, as simply rendering their bodies functionless stops them forever. However, most of these are fairly easy to make for experienced necromancers are therefore present in numbers unseen in intelligent corporeal undead. Most of these creatures are about as smart as vermin, simply following tasks given and possess no real supernatural power beyond existence. As such they tend to act as fodder and distractions, but their threat should not be discounted, even a single zombie can kill an unsuspecting human.
Corporeal/Reenactors are rare enough that we don’t have any examples on tap. Most Reenactors are spectral, meaning that the physical being with these instances are just as important to the puzzle as who they are. Many aren’t even noticed to be undead and are simply thought to be stuck in a rut by people who witness them, it’s not until the start decaying noticeably that people suspect anything. Dealing with these is a very case by case instance, if you see a Corporeal Reenactor please contact a professional, do not engage as their actions when interrupted can be erratic.
What if I got a syringe and injected liquid dogshit into Dracula's veins?
I have that book somewhere in this very room
He's probably snap your neck, and would be right to do so.
Bring on failure to cross running water, garlic, crossroads, etc.
See those stupid sparkly fashion models get around THAT.
Lately I have been hearing the echoing wails of babies near my house at night, and am convinced I have seen infantile corpses scuttling through the underbrush. However, my cattle are also sick. How do I tell if this is an infestation of mylings or an infestation of ustrels? Please advise, I think they're building a nest in the attic.
Sincerely,
Babysieged in Iowa
This would be the latter, because Malkav already has you dancing around his little finger.
He probably gets elbow dropped shortly thereafter
-Indiana Solo, runner of blades
As evidenced by the movie How to Train Your Dracula
First things first, how are you seeing dead babies crawling around and have not called anyone? If i thought i saw a baby crawling around my bushes i would have called all the cops. Shit's freaky.
The dead cattle does suggest an Ustrel, however it could be related. Investigating your attic during the day might be a good idea, setting fire to any nests found, as if this is a new Ustrel it will be too weak to survive the fire and the day light. If it is mature enough they still don't tend to eat humans so it might be forced to flee. a Myling would be an odd find as they tend to only want to be properly buried, attacking cows for nurishment is slightly out of character, all the same though you shouldn't approach on your own.
Honestly there's a lot of child spirit folklore to go on, without some fact finding it's hard to narrow it down to something specific. So your best bet is to find a wolf you can trust, go up into your attic, set fire to any found nests and let the wolf do the business. If there is more than one, set the house on fire, it belongs to them now.
Or, maybe your neighbour is a necromancer and is has lost their mind creating a perfect family of undead children and is also a bad parent. These things happens, shockingly often. Which is why we're trying to get things apst to make practising necromancers to register.
Hope this helps,
D. Melding, Babypuncher.
If i remember correctly, when facing vampires the ghost busters made some kind of ghost shooting cannon to fend them off, but that might not be canon. Allt he same it would have some effect, as it is effectively an erratic laser, if it has any special effects i'm going with no.
You can't really kill Dracula, but you can kill A Dracula. Plus dealing with Actual Ass Dracula requires a great deal of clearance that even I wouldn't be called in and I was at one point considered an expert on undead.
I guess it's just as well, a Ghostbuster and a Dracula shouldn't really be fighting anyway. They have some common ground.
How do you contend with vampires that have established a political pecking order and maintain a vice grip on society from the shadows?
Sincerely,
Sabbat en Espana
Well, typically we operate by Bull in A China shop logic and smash everything, and hope that things end up being okay, after all we're just here to clean up vampires not deal with the social political situation of vampires. In this regard we tend to murder our way up through the ranks until we have an opening at the head vampire and with a carefully constructed team take them down. Luckily head vampires themselves don't have much of a public presence as people would notice if they stopped aging after 50 years, and it's too much work to constantly pretend to be y our own son so if they go missing no one really questions it outside of their set up organization.
Now, ones with actual political pull are a bit harder to get at, and we have a few we have been tracking looking for openings but as of yet they remain out of reach without exposing ourselves as well. However, few people actually want to be controlled by vampires, and are more likely to evoke demonic and fey beings for help when a vampire is attempting to edge in, which has stopped vampires for gaining too much power in the modern world. There was a single case where someone managed to forge a pact with angels, which is kind of amazing in its own right. that worked out, about as well as any other but it drove the vampires out of the nation from what we can report. Details are of course top secret, but if you look around at what nation doesn't have vampires in it and you think should, well, it becomes clear.
But yeah, we're less concerned about vampires than we are demonic and dragon cults. Actual dangerous things. In comparison vampires are kids trying to sit at the adult table.
Hope this helped,
D. Melding, Still not a doctor but if anyone has an extra honorary doctorate laying around..
How can you tell if your city is infested with Draculas? As a follow up, what is the difference between a Dracula infestation versus an Actual Ass Dracula infestation?
Best wishes,
Sleeveless in Seattle
Dear Sleeveless,
In reverse order, you can't have an Actual Ass Dracula infestation, there is only one Actual Ass Dracula, however the vampires created when he feeds are Draculas, they themselves are not Actual Ass Dracula.
As far ad detecting if your city is being overrun by vampires, it is harder to tell because they're fairly clever. Strange murders are a tip off, reports of a serial killer operating in multiple locations can be a tip off, or just the finding of a lot of blood drained murder victims. Also how lively a city's night life is. Vampires tend to settle in cities that are very active at night as it gives more opportunities for feeding and general activities. IF there are a lot of places that stay open after last call, there could be a growing vampire population as whiel they can eat they don't drink alcohol. 24 hour diners are also a hot bed for vampires.
As a general rule a city like Seattle has probably at most 20 Draculas operating there in some manner, any more than that and they would call too much attention to themselves.
Hope this helps,
D. Melding, Sleeved in Vancouver.
Yours Truly,
Not a Martian
Tell that to the local Cam, buncha neon-color drek-suckin bottom feeders. MHVV rights, my can.
Dear Earthling,
As noted before many Draculas are algophobic. So It is fair to say they feel pain. As for what they can survive in, I cant' say we've really tested. I think they would freeze int he vaccuum of space but they'd probably be able to revive form that. They're able to revive from most things save complete immolation.
Hope this helps your non space based plans,
D. Melding, Completely Human.
Well, i wouldn't expect Dracula operating out of your area any time soon. when Bela Lugosi died he was MIA for nearly a decade, So i would expect at least another 3 years before he recovers from Christopher Lee. Dude takes it real hard when actors who play him die.
What if the liquid dogshit was made out of poison?