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Godzilla and other, less important Kaiju

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  • WybornWyborn GET EQUIPPED Registered User regular
    I have never watched a Gamera. How are they?

    I'm assuming the series hasn't got a "holy shit this is actual historically significant cinema" entry like Gojira but what are some good Gameras

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  • OmnipotentBagelOmnipotentBagel floof Registered User regular
    edited August 2016
    Wyborn wrote: »
    I have never watched a Gamera. How are they?

    I'm assuming the series hasn't got a "holy shit this is actual historically significant cinema" entry like Gojira but what are some good Gameras

    The first Gamera is pretty good as a "oh man Godzilla's really popular, we should get us one of those" movie. The rest of the Showa era films are really damn goofy and while I love them, it's hard to recommend them unless you want something that's campy on a "Godzilla vs. Megalon" level. The three movies Gustav mentioned are from a 90s reboot of the franchise that's a lot more serious and are actually really good.

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  • NorgothNorgoth cardiffRegistered User regular
    Wyborn wrote: »
    I have never watched a Gamera. How are they?

    I'm assuming the series hasn't got a "holy shit this is actual historically significant cinema" entry like Gojira but what are some good Gameras

    The first Gamera is pretty good as a "oh man Godzilla's really popular, we should get us one of those" movie. The rest of the Showa era films are really damn goofy and while I love them, it's hard to recommend them unless you want something that's campy on a "Godzilla vs. Megalon" level. The three movies Gustav mentioned are from a 90s reboot of the franchise that's a lot more serious and are actually really good.

    They also have some moments that are incredibly dark, like not what you would except if you have ever seen the early gamera films.

  • OmnipotentBagelOmnipotentBagel floof Registered User regular
    If you are interested in the campy Showa era of Gamera, I recommend Gamera vs. Viras, which is known as Destroy All Planets in the US. Partly because it's watchable at archive.org and partly because it contains a good 20 minutes that is literally just recapping fights from the previous films.

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  • GR_ZombieGR_Zombie Krillin It Registered User regular
    I was watching Godzilla vs Hedorah last night, and boy, the music they use for Godzilla is goofy as hell. It's like cartoon hangover music.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited August 2016
    Hedorah? The smog monster? That's one of the movies I still haven't seen because even I have limits on goof troop.

    For example, I watched Godzilla's Revenge because I didn't know it was about a mentally challenged boy hallucinating Monster Island as he ran away from Yakuza.

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  • turtleantturtleant Gunpla Dad is the best.Registered User regular
    This is the only part of Godzilla Vs. Hedorah you need to see.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E284IfUyssc

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  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    edited August 2016
    Hedorah? The smog monster? That's one of the movies I still haven't seen because even I have limits on goof troop.

    For example, I watched Son of Godzilla because I didn't know it was about a mentally challenged boy hallucinating Monster Island as he ran away from Yakuza.

    Personally, I feel like everything about Godzilla vs Hedorah other than Godzilla himself is pretty good. It's definitely not a generic Godzilla movie by any means, and I'm pretty sure Hedorah himself causes the most on-screen deaths out of any Godzilla villain (there's one scene where Hedorah flies over a crowd of people and they all drop dead, and another where a guy jumps from a building to commit suicide and hits the ground as a gore-covered skeleton because of Hedorah's acidic smog).

    Even the fight itself is okay save for the bizarre flight scene. The fight in Godzilla vs Megalon is far, far cheesier.

    Also, you're thinking of All Monsters Attack. Son of Godzilla is the one where Minya is born and there's a weather control experiment.

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  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    edited August 2016
    Concerning Gamera, I've never seen the Showa series, but I finally saw the Heisei series earlier this year. I still like Godzilla better, but I was very pleasantly surprised by how amazing the Gamera trilogy was. They're definitely superior to the majority of Godzilla movies, to be painfully honest.

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  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    Godzilla vs Hedorah also has a kickass movie poster:

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  • GustavGustav Friend of Goats Somewhere in the OzarksRegistered User regular
    I *think* Godzilla vs the Smog Monster was my first Godzilla movie?

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  • Magic PinkMagic Pink Tur-Boner-Fed Registered User regular
    Hedorah is one of the coolest monsters out of Gerdzerlla.

  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    Hedorah? The smog monster? That's one of the movies I still haven't seen because even I have limits on goof troop.

    For example, I watched Son of Godzilla because I didn't know it was about a mentally challenged boy hallucinating Monster Island as he ran away from Yakuza.

    Personally, I feel like everything about Godzilla vs Hedorah other than Godzilla himself is pretty good. It's definitely not a generic Godzilla movie by any means, and I'm pretty sure Hedorah himself causes the most on-screen deaths out of any Godzilla villain (there's one scene where Hedorah flies over a crowd of people and they all drop dead, and another where a guy jumps from a building to commit suicide and hits the ground as a gore-covered skeleton because of Hedorah's acidic smog).

    Even the fight itself is okay save for the bizarre flight scene. The fight in Godzilla vs Megalon is far, far cheesier.

    Also, you're thinking of All Monsters Attack. Son of Godzilla is the one where Minya is born and there's a weather control experiment.

    No, I'm thinking of Godzilla's Revenge, which is the exact opposite of what a movie about a mentally challenged boy hallucinating monster island should be called.

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  • GustavGustav Friend of Goats Somewhere in the OzarksRegistered User regular
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  • GR_ZombieGR_Zombie Krillin It Registered User regular
    Gustav wrote: »
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    Dude really does look like a schoolyard bully in monster form.

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  • RainfallRainfall Registered User regular
    Magic Pink wrote: »
    Hedorah is one of the coolest monsters out of Gerdzerlla.

    I had a great stuffed Hedorah toy that went missing a while back. Such an awesome design.

  • GreasyKidsStuffGreasyKidsStuff MOMMM! ROAST BEEF WANTS TO KISS GIRLS ON THE TITTIES!Registered User regular
    For those of you who were maybe not as into the Edwards Godzilla as you'd have liked, may I recommend reading David Ehrlich's review over at The Dissolve? It's a fantastic reading of the film, one that really made me reconsider my issues with it both times I've watched it.

    Some choice quotes:
    In Gareth Edwards’ Godzilla, point of view is everything. Here is a $160 million studio tentpole in which perspective stomps over plot, and characters are defined not by their actions, but by their insignificance. [...] Edwards devotes the film’s first hour to the deepening tragedy of a single family, and builds to an unspeakably spectacular climax that’s less dependent on what we’re seeing than on how we’re seeing it.
    Brody’s attempts to reunite with his wife and child are little more than scaffolding for a story that is explicitly about the transition from anthropocentrism to ecocentrism. It’s a theme that Edwards’ film promotes to a plot, the movie gradually reorienting this presumptuously human story until we’re reduced to mere observers, trying desperately to save ourselves as monsters battle above us, oblivious to our plight.
    We’ve become a far more destructive species over the course of the last 60 years, but Godzilla’s invincibility in the face of our growing power confirms that our stewardship is a temporary charge, and not a birthright. If Honda’s film was a desperate plea for reason, Edwards’ is a plea for perspective. We used to be the villains in this story, but now we’re just in the way.

    Also this video is a good little jaunt through some of the film's strengths. Obviously spoilers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqB7_HkbqLg

    I kind of want to watch it again...

  • Magic PinkMagic Pink Tur-Boner-Fed Registered User regular
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    Hedorah? The smog monster? That's one of the movies I still haven't seen because even I have limits on goof troop.

    For example, I watched Son of Godzilla because I didn't know it was about a mentally challenged boy hallucinating Monster Island as he ran away from Yakuza.

    Personally, I feel like everything about Godzilla vs Hedorah other than Godzilla himself is pretty good. It's definitely not a generic Godzilla movie by any means, and I'm pretty sure Hedorah himself causes the most on-screen deaths out of any Godzilla villain (there's one scene where Hedorah flies over a crowd of people and they all drop dead, and another where a guy jumps from a building to commit suicide and hits the ground as a gore-covered skeleton because of Hedorah's acidic smog).

    Even the fight itself is okay save for the bizarre flight scene. The fight in Godzilla vs Megalon is far, far cheesier.

    Also, you're thinking of All Monsters Attack. Son of Godzilla is the one where Minya is born and there's a weather control experiment.

    No, I'm thinking of Godzilla's Revenge, which is the exact opposite of what a movie about a mentally challenged boy hallucinating monster island should be called.

    He wasn't mentally challenged. He was just lonely and had a wild imagination.

  • GR_ZombieGR_Zombie Krillin It Registered User regular
    I love love love how well Godzilla 2014 conveys the scale of the monsters. The low bass sound anytime they were on screen is just so damn good.

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  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    I read so many Godzilla novels as a kid

    and they got shockingly violent, they didn't fuck around with how badly people would get hurt in a monster fight scenario

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  • Cilla BlackCilla Black Priscilla!!! Registered User regular
    Godzilla is the best monster that is all, good day.

  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    Hedorah? The smog monster? That's one of the movies I still haven't seen because even I have limits on goof troop.

    For example, I watched Son of Godzilla because I didn't know it was about a mentally challenged boy hallucinating Monster Island as he ran away from Yakuza.

    Personally, I feel like everything about Godzilla vs Hedorah other than Godzilla himself is pretty good. It's definitely not a generic Godzilla movie by any means, and I'm pretty sure Hedorah himself causes the most on-screen deaths out of any Godzilla villain (there's one scene where Hedorah flies over a crowd of people and they all drop dead, and another where a guy jumps from a building to commit suicide and hits the ground as a gore-covered skeleton because of Hedorah's acidic smog).

    Even the fight itself is okay save for the bizarre flight scene. The fight in Godzilla vs Megalon is far, far cheesier.

    Also, you're thinking of All Monsters Attack. Son of Godzilla is the one where Minya is born and there's a weather control experiment.

    No, I'm thinking of Godzilla's Revenge, which is the exact opposite of what a movie about a mentally challenged boy hallucinating monster island should be called.

    All Monsters Attack and Godzilla's Revenge are alternate titles for the same movie. I see the title All Monsters Attack used more often, though.

  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    I read so many Godzilla novels as a kid

    and they got shockingly violent, they didn't fuck around with how badly people would get hurt in a monster fight scenario

    I only ever read Godzilla 2000 (which came out well before the movie by that title and has nothing to do with it). I think a farmer's wife got bit in half by a Kamacuras.

    Also a tornado forms in Godzilla's path and dissapates when it hits him.

  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    Hedorah? The smog monster? That's one of the movies I still haven't seen because even I have limits on goof troop.

    For example, I watched Son of Godzilla because I didn't know it was about a mentally challenged boy hallucinating Monster Island as he ran away from Yakuza.

    Personally, I feel like everything about Godzilla vs Hedorah other than Godzilla himself is pretty good. It's definitely not a generic Godzilla movie by any means, and I'm pretty sure Hedorah himself causes the most on-screen deaths out of any Godzilla villain (there's one scene where Hedorah flies over a crowd of people and they all drop dead, and another where a guy jumps from a building to commit suicide and hits the ground as a gore-covered skeleton because of Hedorah's acidic smog).

    Even the fight itself is okay save for the bizarre flight scene. The fight in Godzilla vs Megalon is far, far cheesier.

    Also, you're thinking of All Monsters Attack. Son of Godzilla is the one where Minya is born and there's a weather control experiment.

    No, I'm thinking of Godzilla's Revenge, which is the exact opposite of what a movie about a mentally challenged boy hallucinating monster island should be called.

    All Monsters Attack and Godzilla's Revenge are alternate titles for the same movie. I see the title All Monsters Attack used more often, though.

    My VHS was Godzilla's Revenge. But then again, I have a copy of Godzilla vs the Cosmic Monster which is the first appearance of mechaGodzilla

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  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    There is an unpublished Godzilla novel that I want to read so bad

    It has a new continent rise from the Pacific Ocean and a bunch of nations go to claim it only to find it's already been staked out by Battra, Varan, Manda and a mystery monster that was never revealed, leading to Godzilla getting involved when the mystery monster raises hell.

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  • OmnipotentBagelOmnipotentBagel floof Registered User regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    There is an unpublished Godzilla novel that I want to read so bad

    It has a new continent rise from the Pacific Ocean and a bunch of nations go to claim it only to find it's already been staked out by Battra, Varan, Manda and a mystery monster that was never revealed, leading to Godzilla getting involved when the mystery monster raises hell.

    Literally?

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    I read a lot of dark horse Godzilla Comics as a kid.

    And yes, I own the Charles Barkley vs Godzilla comic. The guy at the comic shop saved one just for me.

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  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Blankzilla wrote: »
    There is an unpublished Godzilla novel that I want to read so bad

    It has a new continent rise from the Pacific Ocean and a bunch of nations go to claim it only to find it's already been staked out by Battra, Varan, Manda and a mystery monster that was never revealed, leading to Godzilla getting involved when the mystery monster raises hell.

    Literally?
    Maybe!!!

    WE'LL NEVER KNOW

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  • GustavGustav Friend of Goats Somewhere in the OzarksRegistered User regular
    I need to do another giant monster comic.

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  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    edited August 2016
    Here's a wiki with tons of Godzilla concept at!

    Here's a Godzilla 2000 concept where Godzilla has Zilla-esque forward curving spines.

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    And here's a fucked up Space Godzilla!

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    They apparently tried dozens of designs for Orga.

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  • GustavGustav Friend of Goats Somewhere in the OzarksRegistered User regular
    Man. MAN. I knew GMK was supposed to have Angilas and Varan instead of Mothra and Ghidorah. But I never saw concepts for it.

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    That would have been so much more rad

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  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    Final Wars Godzilla Concept:

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    Would've been neat as "Keizer Godzilla".

  • GustavGustav Friend of Goats Somewhere in the OzarksRegistered User regular
    I also love that there was a planned Godzilla vs. the Devil for a time.

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  • GustavGustav Friend of Goats Somewhere in the OzarksRegistered User regular
    uh reading about unmade Godzilla movies and Bride of Godzilla is fucking weird.

    Robot Daughter is finished and is sent to defend Japan. She defeats the Giant Chameleon, the Giant Archaeopteryx, breaks Anguirus' jaw and then faces Godzilla. Robot Daughter is unaffected by Godzilla's atomic breath. Godzilla seems to fall in love with Robot Daughter, and goes in a cave with the naked Robot Daughter. One character says "...it is the foreplay of love to be beaten."

    uhhh...

    well Anguirus is still chump changed.

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  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    edited August 2016
    Keep in mind this is a wiki, so some of this could be bullshit. Other fan sites like Toho Kingdom also feature information on unmade movies, so if something is mentioned on both it's most definitely legit.

    My favorite unmade movie is the proposed sequel to Godzilla vs King Ghidorah in which they just have Godzilla fight another King Ghidorah, albeit one from space instead of a genetically engineered one. "Well King Ghidorah's really popular; just have him as the villain again. Worked for Invasion of Astro-Monster."

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  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    edited August 2016
    "Godzilla is a dinosaur! He shouldn't walk around like a human!"

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    "Yeah, but he's a mutant, too! And I don't think he stands upright enough!"

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    "My God...zilla."

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  • PeasPeas Registered User regular
    edited August 2016
    Man I would have been happy with any of the Biollante's design, they all look great

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  • LorahaloLorahalo Registered User regular
    I'm not a huge fan of the second one because it's just "Plant Godzilla" but it's still a great design. It's just that other plant monsters are better.

    I have a podcast about Digimon called the Digital Moncast, on Audio Entropy.
  • PeasPeas Registered User regular
    edited August 2016
    I love the giant blue moe eyes for the second one
    So adorable

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