I finally got around to finishing off the Citadel DLC, had stopped once it was time to start getting ready for the party. Totally worth waiting for, lots of funny moments in that party.
But god damn I was rusty in the combat arena, had to drop the difficulty all the way back down to normal... that's what 4 years without touching the game will do shesh.
Cat 6 are pretty darn brutal. Expect that there would have been a great deal of salt if they made it into mp.
Cat-6 was based on MP feedback at the time.
Wierd I would not have expected something like that. Guardians with armor and better guns, nemesis with smoke bombs, and troopers with shields hiding while spamming hunter killer drones. Personally I thought they were more annoying then collectors and way harder if comparing insanity cat6 to silver collector. That said I would love to see them in MP though along with adjunct being added to cerberus to shake it up.
Not really sure how they could have made original ending worse without serious effort. Really needed a dark ending, buttery victory, or epic win depending on assets instead of that weird color shift sillyness.
Edit - bitter not butter ending, leaving it alone since makes no less sense then original ending either
Does anyone know if you can upgrade your SKU after you purchase Andromeda?
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edited February 2017
Nothing confirmed as of yet, but ME3 and Dragon Age Inquisition both had a digital deluxe upgrade. Last I saw on the subject was "Stand by for more information" in response to a direct question on twitter a couple of weeks ago.
Seems that's still the case, here's one from yesterday
Wrong on both counts. From Ashes was never meant to be part of the main game and was put together from leftover scraps of a discarded storyline. An old build of the game was leaked onto the net in late 2011 which featured the Prothean character having a much larger role and a completely different character from Javik. It was abandoned sometime during development.
The Leviathan DLC was part of an (after the fact) attempt to fix the mess of the original ending. It wouldn't have been part of the main game as Walters/Hudson felt the "Lots of speculation from everyone" approach to be better than explaining the origins/motivation of the central figure in the ending.
No way was ashes content not taken into account. Most of the star kid arguments and points were never introduced outside of javiks comments. That was the core of my problem with the ending, it literally made no sense because the arguments were never presented without the DLC.
What comments? He didn't mention it once. Are you mixing him up with the Victory V.I?
Mostly he introduces the concept that AI turning on their creators is inevitable, as was seen in his cycle. There were a number of times that he reinforced the concept as the story progressed. This is critical because without it the majority of AI have been consistently shown as victims of organics and not the other way. Pretty much the exact opposite of the reasoning star kid gives for the harvest, epically when the fleet has synthetics fighting side by side with organics in the final battle.
He mentions it once, with the "throw Legion out the airlock" comments. The ending was written separately by Walters/Hudson, who took no input from the rest of the writing team, nor did they involve the ending in the rest of the process.
Reading "The last hours" makes it clear that they believed the synthetic/organic conflict was obvious as the central theme of the story, which did not need any explanation.
The arguments about revenue etc etc are arguing from the point of view of EA.
Since I am not EA make more single player. Or DLC. Or an expansion. Or a new game. Or anything else. BioWare games are not my thing for Multiplayer no matter what they do barring a miracle better used on more important things.
But since we're getting what we're getting hope someone likes it!
EA gets to decide how much money Bioware is given to make the game. That makes their point of view fairly important.
The money for MP would not be used on "more important things". It just wouldn't exist.
The "more important things" would be like the cure for cancer.
And no one can say what would happen if they cut MP, not even EA probably.
Cancer?!
EA absolutely can say how much (or little) money they will be giving one of their studios to make a game. Removing potential sources of revenue will make them lower that amount.
He mentions it more than once. He goes on a whole diatribe about a Synthetic race that the Protheans had to exterminate because they were creating vast armies out of organics by turning their bodies into meat puppets.
Jorvik establishing that this has happened before is pretty key to opening the player's mind to the Star Child, and the Leviathan's, whole premise.
He doesn't though.
He whines about trusting AIs whenever Shepard doesn't urinate on an AI or delete it on his way to more serious problems.
If you talk to him about it on the normandy he tells exactly one story which details a race that created AIs, used implants and allowed the AIs to fine tune them, leading the AIs to enslave the organics.
It's a horrible mess, thematically, if you consider the amount of time you can spend getting the geth and quarians to bury the hatchet, only for the ghost child to say:
"AIs and organics can never co-exist, AIs will always turn on organics, here, let me reinforce that argument by using your goo to make a spaceship and killing your AI pals!".
And even if you want to go down that road, surely every species needs to be able to make that decision for themselves;
To see whether they can learn to get past their baser instincts and not nuke themselves to death (krogan, anyone?), create a murderous AI (leviathans, anyone?) or an unstoppable bio-pathogen.
The game's logic hinges on the butthole races (protheans, leviathans) being right.
They themselves assume they *are* right because they were the most advanced race, enslaved all the others but couldn't get AIs to work themselves (arrogance, hubris!).
WELL, perhaps being a slaver doesn't imbue you with the right temperament to code a moral AI.
The thing is, Javik disproves the Reaper argument as well.
The Reapers posit that all organic races will eventually be destroyed by their synthetic creations. And you know what?
That was not in the cards for our pal Prothy.
The Protheans successfully waged a war of extinction against an AI menace, and went "Fuck AI forever, we want no part of that, death to robutts."
They were at almost no risk of being overtaken by synthetics since they'd smother any hint of an AI rebellion in its cradle. They're a success story!
But the Reapers killed 'em anyway, because Reapers are stupid assholes.
Wrong on both counts. From Ashes was never meant to be part of the main game and was put together from leftover scraps of a discarded storyline. An old build of the game was leaked onto the net in late 2011 which featured the Prothean character having a much larger role and a completely different character from Javik. It was abandoned sometime during development.
The Leviathan DLC was part of an (after the fact) attempt to fix the mess of the original ending. It wouldn't have been part of the main game as Walters/Hudson felt the "Lots of speculation from everyone" approach to be better than explaining the origins/motivation of the central figure in the ending.
No way was ashes content not taken into account. Most of the star kid arguments and points were never introduced outside of javiks comments. That was the core of my problem with the ending, it literally made no sense because the arguments were never presented without the DLC.
What comments? He didn't mention it once. Are you mixing him up with the Victory V.I?
Mostly he introduces the concept that AI turning on their creators is inevitable, as was seen in his cycle. There were a number of times that he reinforced the concept as the story progressed. This is critical because without it the majority of AI have been consistently shown as victims of organics and not the other way. Pretty much the exact opposite of the reasoning star kid gives for the harvest, epically when the fleet has synthetics fighting side by side with organics in the final battle.
He mentions it once, with the "throw Legion out the airlock" comments. The ending was written separately by Walters/Hudson, who took no input from the rest of the writing team, nor did they involve the ending in the rest of the process.
Reading "The last hours" makes it clear that they believed the synthetic/organic conflict was obvious as the central theme of the story, which did not need any explanation.
The arguments about revenue etc etc are arguing from the point of view of EA.
Since I am not EA make more single player. Or DLC. Or an expansion. Or a new game. Or anything else. BioWare games are not my thing for Multiplayer no matter what they do barring a miracle better used on more important things.
But since we're getting what we're getting hope someone likes it!
EA gets to decide how much money Bioware is given to make the game. That makes their point of view fairly important.
The money for MP would not be used on "more important things". It just wouldn't exist.
The "more important things" would be like the cure for cancer.
And no one can say what would happen if they cut MP, not even EA probably.
Cancer?!
EA absolutely can say how much (or little) money they will be giving one of their studios to make a game. Removing potential sources of revenue will make them lower that amount.
He mentions it more than once. He goes on a whole diatribe about a Synthetic race that the Protheans had to exterminate because they were creating vast armies out of organics by turning their bodies into meat puppets.
Jorvik establishing that this has happened before is pretty key to opening the player's mind to the Star Child, and the Leviathan's, whole premise.
He doesn't though.
He whines about trusting AIs whenever Shepard doesn't urinate on an AI or delete it on his way to more serious problems.
If you talk to him about it on the normandy he tells exactly one story which details a race that created AIs, used implants and allowed the AIs to fine tune them, leading the AIs to enslave the organics.
It's a horrible mess, thematically, if you consider the amount of time you can spend getting the geth and quarians to bury the hatchet, only for the ghost child to say:
"AIs and organics can never co-exist, AIs will always turn on organics, here, let me reinforce that argument by using your goo to make a spaceship and killing your AI pals!".
And even if you want to go down that road, surely every species needs to be able to make that decision for themselves;
To see whether they can learn to get past their baser instincts and not nuke themselves to death (krogan, anyone?), create a murderous AI (leviathans, anyone?) or an unstoppable bio-pathogen.
The game's logic hinges on the butthole races (protheans, leviathans) being right.
They themselves assume they *are* right because they were the most advanced race, enslaved all the others but couldn't get AIs to work themselves (arrogance, hubris!).
WELL, perhaps being a slaver doesn't imbue you with the right temperament to code a moral AI.
The thing is, Javik disproves the Reaper argument as well.
The Reapers posit that all organic races will eventually be destroyed by their synthetic creations. And you know what?
That was not in the cards for our pal Prothy.
The Protheans successfully waged a war of extinction against an AI menace, and went "Fuck AI forever, we want no part of that, death to robutts."
They were at almost no risk of being overtaken by synthetics since they'd smother any hint of an AI rebellion in its cradle. They're a success story!
But the Reapers killed 'em anyway, because Reapers are stupid assholes.
That's not actually a refutation of the point at all, because that's merely another side of "Synthetics and Organics literally cannot co-exist for any substantial length of time without obliterating one or the other".
There is precisely one possible refutation of that point: The Geth and the Quarians, if you do it right. It's arguable calling that a refutation is premature, since it at that point said co-existence has not withstood any real test of time. The Leviathans make it abundantly clear that this can/has happened before, in instances uncounting.
The point of all this is to make it clear that trying for something better is an act of faith to one degree or another.
Except there's nothing wrong with the crushing AI side, either.
The Reapers are stupidheads top to bottom.
The Reapers value AI life since, ya know, they ARE AI life. The unsolvable problem was how to make it so organics and AI wouldn't fight, not "what is the best way for organics to beat AI in combat."
I always hated that reason for the Reaper's existence. It was just dumb. (talking synthetic vs organic)
Before the reveal of their purpose I just thought they were a higher tiered life form, the highest tier. Sapient life is used to thinking that they are the most superior life form. Nope! Turns out your entire existence is just farmed up by these super lifeforms. Reapers are so advanced that their "food" is highly advanced sapient life and their associated technologies. Basically, their food is civilizations.
Sapient life rising up and defeating the reapers would represent a new evolution of life in the galaxy, unseen before in the Milky Way.
This would have kept the idea of Reapers as terrifying, for more than just the reason that they purge the galaxy. It means your current super advanced civilization, the pinnacle of sapient achievement, is actually just plankton.
But no. We got their "AI vs biological life" reason which was just stupid.
I'll buy that one, @al_wat. a much more coherent motive for them, especially with the ramifications for ME2.
Or just simply not state their motive and you managed to kill them with the mcguffin. I was full on ready to push the button and give the biggest "FUCK YOU" middle finger to Harbinger and I get... Starchild...
I always hated that reason for the Reaper's existence. It was just dumb. (talking synthetic vs organic)
Before the reveal of their purpose I just thought they were a higher tiered life form, the highest tier. Sapient life is used to thinking that they are the most superior life form. Nope! Turns out your entire existence is just farmed up by these super lifeforms. Reapers are so advanced that their "food" is highly advanced sapient life and their associated technologies. Basically, their food is civilizations.
Sapient life rising up and defeating the reapers would represent a new evolution of life in the galaxy, unseen before in the Milky Way.
This would have kept the idea of Reapers as terrifying, for more than just the reason that they purge the galaxy. It means your current super advanced civilization, the pinnacle of sapient achievement, is actually just plankton.
But no. We got their "AI vs biological life" reason which was just stupid.
That would have been a much better motivation for the Reaper purges IMO.
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I always hated that reason for the Reaper's existence. It was just dumb. (talking synthetic vs organic)
Before the reveal of their purpose I just thought they were a higher tiered life form, the highest tier. Sapient life is used to thinking that they are the most superior life form. Nope! Turns out your entire existence is just farmed up by these super lifeforms. Reapers are so advanced that their "food" is highly advanced sapient life and their associated technologies. Basically, their food is civilizations.
Sapient life rising up and defeating the reapers would represent a new evolution of life in the galaxy, unseen before in the Milky Way.
This would have kept the idea of Reapers as terrifying, for more than just the reason that they purge the galaxy. It means your current super advanced civilization, the pinnacle of sapient achievement, is actually just plankton.
But no. We got their "AI vs biological life" reason which was just stupid.
That would have been a much better motivation for the Reaper purges IMO.
Plus it would have been a great opportunity to go full circle and get a scene like this
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I mean it's basically the story of Gurren Lagann. Group A greatly advances over Group B and puts checks in place (lore to instill fear, physical means to block or trigger a change) to keep Group B weak. Group B eventually has an individual that believes in the me that believes in them enough to overthrow Group A.
And also I thought what you described as what you thought was happening was what was actually happening too. They were cultivating bioforms. Right?
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I always hated that reason for the Reaper's existence. It was just dumb. (talking synthetic vs organic)
Before the reveal of their purpose I just thought they were a higher tiered life form, the highest tier. Sapient life is used to thinking that they are the most superior life form. Nope! Turns out your entire existence is just farmed up by these super lifeforms. Reapers are so advanced that their "food" is highly advanced sapient life and their associated technologies. Basically, their food is civilizations.
Sapient life rising up and defeating the reapers would represent a new evolution of life in the galaxy, unseen before in the Milky Way.
This would have kept the idea of Reapers as terrifying, for more than just the reason that they purge the galaxy. It means your current super advanced civilization, the pinnacle of sapient achievement, is actually just plankton.
But no. We got their "AI vs biological life" reason which was just stupid.
That would have been a much better motivation for the Reaper purges IMO.
And then the Citadel and uh.... umm... oh shit, brain fart... you know... those jumpy portal thingies... are Prothean in origin?
I always hated that reason for the Reaper's existence. It was just dumb. (talking synthetic vs organic)
Before the reveal of their purpose I just thought they were a higher tiered life form, the highest tier. Sapient life is used to thinking that they are the most superior life form. Nope! Turns out your entire existence is just farmed up by these super lifeforms. Reapers are so advanced that their "food" is highly advanced sapient life and their associated technologies. Basically, their food is civilizations.
Sapient life rising up and defeating the reapers would represent a new evolution of life in the galaxy, unseen before in the Milky Way.
This would have kept the idea of Reapers as terrifying, for more than just the reason that they purge the galaxy. It means your current super advanced civilization, the pinnacle of sapient achievement, is actually just plankton.
But no. We got their "AI vs biological life" reason which was just stupid.
That would have been a much better motivation for the Reaper purges IMO.
And then the Citadel and uh.... umm... oh shit, brain fart... you know... those jumpy portal thingies... are Prothean in origin?
Mass Effect Relays?
"For no one - no one in this world can you trust. Not men. Not women. Not beasts...this you can trust."
I always hated that reason for the Reaper's existence. It was just dumb. (talking synthetic vs organic)
Before the reveal of their purpose I just thought they were a higher tiered life form, the highest tier. Sapient life is used to thinking that they are the most superior life form. Nope! Turns out your entire existence is just farmed up by these super lifeforms. Reapers are so advanced that their "food" is highly advanced sapient life and their associated technologies. Basically, their food is civilizations.
Sapient life rising up and defeating the reapers would represent a new evolution of life in the galaxy, unseen before in the Milky Way.
This would have kept the idea of Reapers as terrifying, for more than just the reason that they purge the galaxy. It means your current super advanced civilization, the pinnacle of sapient achievement, is actually just plankton.
But no. We got their "AI vs biological life" reason which was just stupid.
That would have been a much better motivation for the Reaper purges IMO.
And then the Citadel and uh.... umm... oh shit, brain fart... you know... those jumpy portal thingies... are Prothean in origin?
Mass Effect Relays?
ME2 had that bitty little relay, always wondered what would happen if they mounted a ship in it then fired it through a big relay for a boost. Sorta jumping jump gates.
Are we thinking this game will rely heavily on the story from the first trilogy? I only played the first game and it's been so long ago that I honestly remember nothing except for the Mako and a team member who looked like a dinosaur.
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The Andromeda crew leaves the Milky Way like between ME2 and ME3 timeframe and they arrive in Andromeda like 600 years later, so you'll probably see some shoutouts to ME1 stuff here and there to make the diehard fans feel good, but this is basically supposed to be a clean slate story-wise.
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The Andromeda crew leaves the Milky Way like between ME2 and ME3 timeframe and they arrive in Andromeda like 600 years later, so you'll probably see some shoutouts to ME1 stuff here and there to make the diehard fans feel good, but this is basically supposed to be a clean slate story-wise.
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Wierd I would not have expected something like that. Guardians with armor and better guns, nemesis with smoke bombs, and troopers with shields hiding while spamming hunter killer drones. Personally I thought they were more annoying then collectors and way harder if comparing insanity cat6 to silver collector. That said I would love to see them in MP though along with adjunct being added to cerberus to shake it up.
Not really sure how they could have made original ending worse without serious effort. Really needed a dark ending, buttery victory, or epic win depending on assets instead of that weird color shift sillyness.
Edit - bitter not butter ending, leaving it alone since makes no less sense then original ending either
Seems that's still the case, here's one from yesterday
tbh I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't talked about until after release, just to drive that extra preorder money on Origin.
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The thing is, Javik disproves the Reaper argument as well.
The Reapers posit that all organic races will eventually be destroyed by their synthetic creations. And you know what?
That was not in the cards for our pal Prothy.
The Protheans successfully waged a war of extinction against an AI menace, and went "Fuck AI forever, we want no part of that, death to robutts."
They were at almost no risk of being overtaken by synthetics since they'd smother any hint of an AI rebellion in its cradle. They're a success story!
But the Reapers killed 'em anyway, because Reapers are stupid assholes.
Why I fear the ocean.
That's not actually a refutation of the point at all, because that's merely another side of "Synthetics and Organics literally cannot co-exist for any substantial length of time without obliterating one or the other".
There is precisely one possible refutation of that point: The Geth and the Quarians, if you do it right. It's arguable calling that a refutation is premature, since it at that point said co-existence has not withstood any real test of time. The Leviathans make it abundantly clear that this can/has happened before, in instances uncounting.
The point of all this is to make it clear that trying for something better is an act of faith to one degree or another.
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The Reapers are stupidheads top to bottom.
The Reapers value AI life since, ya know, they ARE AI life. The unsolvable problem was how to make it so organics and AI wouldn't fight, not "what is the best way for organics to beat AI in combat."
Before the reveal of their purpose I just thought they were a higher tiered life form, the highest tier. Sapient life is used to thinking that they are the most superior life form. Nope! Turns out your entire existence is just farmed up by these super lifeforms. Reapers are so advanced that their "food" is highly advanced sapient life and their associated technologies. Basically, their food is civilizations.
Sapient life rising up and defeating the reapers would represent a new evolution of life in the galaxy, unseen before in the Milky Way.
This would have kept the idea of Reapers as terrifying, for more than just the reason that they purge the galaxy. It means your current super advanced civilization, the pinnacle of sapient achievement, is actually just plankton.
But no. We got their "AI vs biological life" reason which was just stupid.
Or just simply not state their motive and you managed to kill them with the mcguffin. I was full on ready to push the button and give the biggest "FUCK YOU" middle finger to Harbinger and I get... Starchild...
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It didn't really make sense as the reason for the reaper's existence in my opinion.
That would have been a much better motivation for the Reaper purges IMO.
Plus it would have been a great opportunity to go full circle and get a scene like this
(Babylon 5 spoilers)
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And also I thought what you described as what you thought was happening was what was actually happening too. They were cultivating bioforms. Right?
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they did... but you gotta look for it.
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...yes?
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We've at least learned since Mass Effect 3 that the argument is more entertaining if James Spader plays the AI's voice.
Pffft. That's quitter talk.
Now that the Reapers are Destroyed we can do whatever we set our minds to.
And then the Citadel and uh.... umm... oh shit, brain fart... you know... those jumpy portal thingies... are Prothean in origin?
Mass Effect Relays?
I *hated* what the me3 endings did to the franchise and I'm all tapped out.
Perhaps we could guess what the skin bits between vetra's toes taste like?
awww cmon!
quads just don't cut it anymore and the bioware forums are gone. for some reason. winkyface?
ME2 had that bitty little relay, always wondered what would happen if they mounted a ship in it then fired it through a big relay for a boost. Sorta jumping jump gates.
But you would miss out on the huge amounts of HD ME3 porn that, um, a friend of mine told me about...
Peebee's gun is super rad.
And seeing her design here makes me like her look a lot more.
She apparently stole a gun from the destinyverse.
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Right on. This is good news.