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Tokyo Game Show 2016 starring The Last Guardian

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    AtomicTofuAtomicTofu She's a straight-up supervillain, yo Registered User regular
    Have a new Valkyria: Azure Revolution trailer

    https://youtu.be/NnuFNnNSFC4

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    UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    Gonna be real sad when we don't get Valkyria

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    YaYaYaYa Decent. Registered User regular
    is that Valkyria still using the Valkyria Chronicles battle system

    because if not, passsss

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    UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    YaYa wrote: »
    is that Valkyria still using the Valkyria Chronicles battle system

    because if not, passsss

    No, it's a standard JRPG

    While I do love VC's combat system, I love the trend recently (this, World of FF, Monster Hunter Stories) of "we're just gonna make a basic ass traditional JRPG entry in this franchise"

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    Bluedude152Bluedude152 Registered User regular
    Why do they have swords

    THats a good way to die in war

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    Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Give me all games in traditional JRPG style.

    I want menus, people! Menus!

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    InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    Give me all games in traditional JRPG style.

    I want menus, people! Menus!

    Well, not to be the bearer of bad news but the new Valkyria Chronicles is not a traditional JRPG, you won't find menus here.

    It's an action RPG first and foremost. (And not a very good looking one at that, imo.)

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    Vann DirasVann Diras Registered User regular
    Well I was momentarily excited about a new valkyria chronicles but that is dead now

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    ArtereisArtereis Registered User regular
    They just managed to rub like 90% of the charm out of their art style. If it looked like an upgraded Canvas engine or something it might help, but it just looks...dull.

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    PeasPeas Registered User regular
    They cranked up the fantasy to the point that it looks just like any generic jrpg


    Also where are the tanks

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    UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    edited September 2016
    Why do they have swords

    THats a good way to die in war

    Looks like someone didn't die repeatedly on that one mission where Selvaria repeatedly fucks your entire unit into the dirt with a sword

    Also eff the haters, that game looks rad. It doesn't have VC's old canvas style but it also doesn't look like the billions of other interchangeable JRPGs hitting the PS4

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    MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    To be fair that sword shoots giant lasers that annihilates tanks

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    -SPI--SPI- Osaka, JapanRegistered User regular
    Why do they have swords

    THats a good way to die in war

    Looks like someone didn't die repeatedly on that one mission where Selvaria repeatedly fucks your entire unit into the dirt with a sword

    Also eff the haters, that game looks rad. It doesn't have VC's old canvas style but it also doesn't look like the billions of other interchangeable JRPGs hitting the PS4

    I dunno, apart from people constantly yelling "Valkyria!" you could tell me it's a new Tales of... game and I'd believe you.

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    augustaugust where you come from is gone Registered User regular
    They showed a trailer months ago that was all magic swords and anime titties.

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    MorivethMoriveth BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWNRegistered User regular
    Now if it was magic titties and anime swords, then I'd be interested.

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    augustaugust where you come from is gone Registered User regular
    I mean it has those too I'm pretty sure.

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    PeasPeas Registered User regular
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    WybornWyborn GET EQUIPPED Registered User regular
    Peas wrote: »
    They cranked up the fantasy to the point that it looks just like any generic jrpg


    Also where are the tanks

    It's not like you can't crank up the fantasy in a war setting and still be visually distinct

    Lost Odyssey's opening still doesn't look quite like anything else

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    PeasPeas Registered User regular
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    chiasaur11chiasaur11 Never doubt a raccoon. Do you think it's trademarked?Registered User regular
    Maddoc wrote: »
    To be fair that sword shoots giant lasers that annihilates tanks

    I'm pretty sure that was a lance.

    So, you know, that explains everything.

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    UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    A lance is a sword though

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User, Moderator mod
    A lance is a sword though

    lances are big heavy spears that you hold out in front of you as hard as you can while riding a charging horse

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    WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
    I think the kinetic movement that The Last Guardian is trying to convey is a very neat idea, conceptually, would have blown my mind when it was initially intended to be released

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    MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    I don't think you can delay a game over entire generations and not have it come out feeling dated.

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    WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
    definitely

    I really appreciate that the kid doesn't move the same way Every Other Person In A Video Game does, is all

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    -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    The movement is fine so long as the game does not demand precise platforming

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    Mr. GMr. G Registered User regular
    It feels like Last Guardian will have to be judged on the standards of a 2011 game than a 2016 one, or else it'll fall pretty short

    They're still working on a fairly dated design document, all of the delays have been tech-based, so it's still pretty much the same game the whole time

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    MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    One thing it has going for it is that nobody else really trades in the same sort of third person exploration/environmental puzzle solving that Team ICO does

    So at the very least, it's not like the years of delays have necessarily worn away at the appeal of those games

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    -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    Ps2 games are in fashion

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    Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    Mr. G wrote: »
    It feels like Last Guardian will have to be judged on the standards of a 2011 game than a 2016 one, or else it'll fall pretty short

    They're still working on a fairly dated design document, all of the delays have been tech-based, so it's still pretty much the same game the whole time

    Just like how everyone judged Duke Nukem Forever on the standards of a 2001 game, right?

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    MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    I would definitely rather play Return to Castle Wolfenstein over DNF

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    OmnipotentBagelOmnipotentBagel floof Registered User regular
    Mr. G wrote: »
    It feels like Last Guardian will have to be judged on the standards of a 2011 game than a 2016 one, or else it'll fall pretty short

    They're still working on a fairly dated design document, all of the delays have been tech-based, so it's still pretty much the same game the whole time

    Just like how everyone judged Duke Nukem Forever on the standards of a 2001 game, right?

    That game wasn't great even by 2001 standards though.

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    Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Kameo ended up being ok

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    Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    Mr. G wrote: »
    It feels like Last Guardian will have to be judged on the standards of a 2011 game than a 2016 one, or else it'll fall pretty short

    They're still working on a fairly dated design document, all of the delays have been tech-based, so it's still pretty much the same game the whole time

    Just like how everyone judged Duke Nukem Forever on the standards of a 2001 game, right?

    That game wasn't great even by 2001 standards though.

    But that doesn't mean it was judged as a 2001 game.

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    Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    The only reason why DNF got finished is because they knew it would sell copies based solely on the joke of it never getting released..

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    UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    DNF was not good but nowhere near as bad as everyone claims

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    OmnipotentBagelOmnipotentBagel floof Registered User regular
    Mr. G wrote: »
    It feels like Last Guardian will have to be judged on the standards of a 2011 game than a 2016 one, or else it'll fall pretty short

    They're still working on a fairly dated design document, all of the delays have been tech-based, so it's still pretty much the same game the whole time

    Just like how everyone judged Duke Nukem Forever on the standards of a 2001 game, right?

    That game wasn't great even by 2001 standards though.

    But that doesn't mean it was judged as a 2001 game.

    It was a bad game by literally any year's standards, I don't understand your point. Its problems were not problems of having been designed in 2001. Its problems were that it was designed badly.

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    Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    Mr. G wrote: »
    It feels like Last Guardian will have to be judged on the standards of a 2011 game than a 2016 one, or else it'll fall pretty short

    They're still working on a fairly dated design document, all of the delays have been tech-based, so it's still pretty much the same game the whole time

    Just like how everyone judged Duke Nukem Forever on the standards of a 2001 game, right?

    That game wasn't great even by 2001 standards though.

    But that doesn't mean it was judged as a 2001 game.

    It was a bad game by literally any year's standards, I don't understand your point. Its problems were not problems of having been designed in 2001. Its problems were that it was designed badly.

    I was saying that in response to Mr. G saying TLG will have to be judged as a 2011 game, which I doubt will happen due to how DNF reviewed, which yes it was a bad game in any era, but people did (and rightfully so) point out that much of it's design felt extremely dated. It was judged as a game in the era it came out and not the era it was originally designed in, which again, is what Mr. G was saying would have to happen for TLG to not fall short.

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    OmnipotentBagelOmnipotentBagel floof Registered User regular
    Mr. G wrote: »
    It feels like Last Guardian will have to be judged on the standards of a 2011 game than a 2016 one, or else it'll fall pretty short

    They're still working on a fairly dated design document, all of the delays have been tech-based, so it's still pretty much the same game the whole time

    Just like how everyone judged Duke Nukem Forever on the standards of a 2001 game, right?

    That game wasn't great even by 2001 standards though.

    But that doesn't mean it was judged as a 2001 game.

    It was a bad game by literally any year's standards, I don't understand your point. Its problems were not problems of having been designed in 2001. Its problems were that it was designed badly.

    I was saying that in response to Mr. G saying TLG will have to be judged as a 2011 game, which I doubt will happen due to how DNF reviewed, which yes it was a bad game in any era, but people did (and rightfully so) point out that much of it's design felt extremely dated. It was judged as a game in the era it came out and not the era it was originally designed in, which again, is what Mr. G was saying would have to happen for TLG to not fall short.

    Ah, gotcha. To that end, I think some people will be willing to make that concession and others will not and neither approach is particularly right or wrong. Such is the way of video games, really. Everyone has certain things they are unwilling to compromise on or look past, and everyone sets those limits differently. Based on how people have approached previous Team Ico games, though, I'm not too worried about it. The fans of that studio seem to be willing to overlook a lot, so long as the core of the game is good.

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