And murdered Daedalus U++ pretty effortlessly with full medals.
Ark Blast + White Materia + Paladin Force + Wall + Shout and RWed Firion's BSB for funsies = OH GOD PLEASE STOP MURDERING ME.
And PCecil even had another LB stock for a second all 9999s Paladin Force at the end thanks to Firion's BSB's Powerchain plus Ace Striker supercharging his gauge and a Platinum Shield boosting his damage. Darkra was a non-issue because of Firion's magic blink, even before I got the dual break up with Ark Blast, let alone a second magic blink when Ramza got to use it when the BSB spam began. Having a bow to put on Cecil and a gun for Tyro meant that most of the team was in the back row too, so even less damage. Aerith spent half her turns defending for lack of anything better to do. He only used his Stop attack once, on Tyro, and it didn't proc. Wouldn't have mattered much at that point anyway.
Would highly recommend already having an assload of holy stuff. It's fun times.
Hah, I talk about the U+ being hard and then I go and do the CM in a couple of tries with full medals, and with far less hassle than my A team. Sure, Ashe bit the dust at the first maser eye, but who's counting?
Ran with a pretty wacky and not even optimized team too:
Basch lv 78, power break R4/ SC R3, dragon's det, no SBs
Gabranth lv 80, banishing strike R4/ protectga r3, holy knight's pride, no SBs
Penelo lv 80, Holy R3 / Multi Break R2, doublecast WM (should have been Dr. Mogs or ace striker), intercession curaga medica
Ashe lv 80, Alexander R4 / Maduin R5 (didn't use once), Devotion, Maelstrom's bolt SSB
Larsa Lv 78, Curaja R5/ Haste R4, Zeal (autohaste RM), no SBs
RW: Ido blade runic
Dark resist accessories on Penelo and Larsa. Devotion was suicidal for Ashe against maser eye, so I had her cast the first runic and penelo cast the second.
If you can afford to bring runic and can finish the fight fast enough, you don't need any other magic mitigation. Runic also blocks the scripted slow on whoever has it up, so that's one less person to cast haste on if you aren't using hastega. So that means you only really need to worry about physical damage, particularly maser eye, and the debuffs.
Yeah, I was thinking that Runic would completely trivialize that fight since they have literally no magic attacks but single target black stuff. It was my fallback, but I worried about not having haste.
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Beatrix's OSB is fanservicey. Varies depending on whether you have Garnet, Steiner, neither, or both. Its gimmick is that it powers up depending on how many knight abilities she uses in the battle, up to 25 (!). Garnet's new BSB uses a similar summoning mechanic as Yuna's second and comes with imperil Lightning.
I haven't done the event yet myself, but I'm planning on bring Cecil w/ Paladin Force, Celes with Runic, and Penelo with Intercession.
I might also go double white mages, load Penelo up with attack spells, and then use Y'shtola as my healer.
Magic Lure + Gigas Amulet also does a pretty good job of trivializing things. Maser Eye at the end is the real issue. Hits like a monster truck and is the only serious physical threat to speak of. They'll plink you with regular attacks throughout, but those are mostly harmless. Maser Eye though... that's a full-fledged nuke and it's used every 3 turns, so burst through that last 50% of HP at top speed.
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The FFX ults next week are all weak to water... and it introduces the Shooter skill stuff with... water attacks. Alongside Tidus's water-based OSB. ...Which can do ~20% HP a shot to the U+ when used as an RW.
Failed on the first ultimate, I think it was thanks to the lack of hones and trying to optimize my swift bolts; might just bite the bullet and kill off the ice azers ASAP instead.
Yeah, I was thinking that Runic would completely trivialize that fight since they have literally no magic attacks but single target black stuff. It was my fallback, but I worried about not having haste.
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Beatrix's OSB is fanservicey. Varies depending on whether you have Garnet, Steiner, neither, or both. Its gimmick is that it powers up depending on how many knight abilities she uses in the battle, up to 25 (!). Garnet's new BSB uses a similar summoning mechanic as Yuna's second and comes with imperil Lightning.
With runic it's a lot of no damage and nulled attacks in the first 2 phases, then he starts hitting like a truck with the maser eyes in the final phase as per usual. That makes it more viable than you might think just looking at the fight details to bring the single target haste spell, as the pressure on your healer is rather low early on, even after the slowga.
The main use of killing the clones according to the AI page is that he'll waste a turn each summoning at most 2 more in phase 3, which if you are bursting him down can potentially delay a maser eye long enough to beat him. Probably only worth considering as a bonus to AOE SBs and Alexander spam, though, I almost killed the first one incidentally on my CM run.
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I'm planning on doing the Ultimate with Bolt Veil because Ninja scrolls are the solution to all of life's problems.
What's the easiest Mote dungeon to CM without synergy or SB? Haven't done any so far.
I'm planning on doing the Ultimate with Bolt Veil because Ninja scrolls are the solution to all of life's problems.
What's the easiest Mote dungeon to CM without synergy or SB? Haven't done any so far.
FFXIII by a mile. The stagger mechanic makes it a very potentially sad fight. 5% chance per time it's hit to fall over, do nothing for two turns, and become weak to everything.
And 100% to stagger on the hit that knocks it under 60% HP.
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That sucks. In all of my S/L there I've never seen one stagger.
This morning I noticed that when you go to Sort by Series, there's a new icon called "Beyond." Any idea what that is? Or is Beyond just a new generic catch-all for spinoff series games? Like if they ever want to add Lann and Reynn from WoFF they could shove them into the Beyond category?
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This morning I noticed that when you go to Sort by Series, there's a new icon called "Beyond." Any idea what that is? Or is Beyond just a new generic catch-all for spinoff series games? Like if they ever want to add Lann and Reynn from WoFF they could shove them into the Beyond category?
That is exactly right. Beyond is for spin-off games, like WoFF.
Hmm, looking at the AI script, seems like the full-on tanking protocol from Mote Ifrit might be great for U+ Ahriman XII. Give either Basch or Gabranth the Draw Fire + Magic Lure combo and a Gigas Armlet, then Defend for a couple turns. DF+ML pulls all of the damage except for Maser Eye, so you can just concentrate on mitigating that as hard as you can with stacking ATK breaks and Protectga. Probably want to stick Dark resists on your healer and other squishies as well.
Reddit suggests RW Ramza BSB (!) for the party DEF boost, as well as holy damage on entry and a decent 2-hit holy damage attack command.
...zowie, U++ has almost 400k HP, 2900 DEF and 4250 RES. That's gonna take forever to chew through if you aren't loaded down with Holy damage.
I actually have decent synergy for this, just went in with a weird setup. Maser Eye is NAT but it turns out that Physical Blink nullifies it anyway, which I didn't expect. If I had to do this CM again, I'd RW Shout instead of Wall and just go full physical beatdown on Ahriman.
Daedalus is kicking my butt. My usual A-Team is having trouble because there's a significant amount of RNG bullshit in the first 50% regarding random slows and stops being applied. After that, it's just a lot AoE damage and it's painful. Y'shtola barely gets an opportunity to re-apply Wall in the fight before he hits me with something when it goes down that does 3.5k damage.
This is me wishing I had a lot more sources of Holy damage. All I have is Saint Cross and Banishing Strike. Never got lucky enough to pull a Holy SSB/BSB worth a damn except for Ashe's Heaven's Wrath.
So weird, I got the Halloween login bonus on my alt account, but not on my main. Presumably they will fix it fairly soon, and hopefully give some delicious apology mythril.
Did the U, U+ and U++ on my main account already, the U was no big deal. The U+ did indeed hit very hard with Maser Eye, even with Full Break, Power Breakdown, Cleansing Strike, Wall and Protectga in place. I guess they really want you to use a physical blink for it. Lost 1 medal for KOs. The U++ was a total jerk, his scripted Stop attack froze Ramza, then the next turn he did it again and got Relm. I had Agrias use the second charge of the RW Eiko BSB I was using and she kept everybody except Ramza alive long enough. A few turns later he also stopped Cecil while burst mode was active, which was a real hassle. I limped my way to a win without Shout, but it was far from easy. 1 medal lost to actions taken, 2 to damage received, Championed so good enough. What a friggin' jerk that boss can be.
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I think I got power creeped out of Cid Missions. I can't even do the Ultimate with my A team. By the time I get shellga and Full Breakdown up, I've usually either lost a character or am about to lose several.
It looks like Daedalus ignores Draw Fire if confused/berserked?
The AI script for the ++ (not U++) fight says his action while confused is PHY, so I would think Draw Fire would still pull it if it aims at your team. If he randomizes at himself, Draw Fire of course will not pull it.
I could be wrong about this though, Confuse status in general might get around Draw Fire. IDK
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Okay for the Ultimate I think I'm going to have Tyro go in with Full Break Dance, Magic Break Dance, Wall, shell and see if Ramza can sleep some of the adds with phantasam. Hopefully that will be enough mitigation. Probably not. Not like I can equip everyone with Ice Resist.
I think I got power creeped out of Cid Missions. I can't even do the Ultimate with my A team. By the time I get shellga and Full Breakdown up, I've usually either lost a character or am about to lose several.
The Mateus Ultimate is nearly the exact same fight as the +++ was six months ago. The only significant changes are that Mateus himself has about double the Def and Res, the ice azers have ~20k more HP each, and everything has ~15-20% higher Atk/Mag.
Full Breakdown should also not be part of your primary mitigation anyway. It's a multi-target fight. Multi Break is the obvious improvement on that, although if you only have room for one, Heathen Frolic should be your pick given the elemental weakness massively boosting damage. It's even a realm with now three 4* white mages AND a dancer. Spread that mitigation out.
May want to bring RM Bounty Hunter (start with Draw Fire) for the Mateus ultimate if you have it, since there's guaranteed to be a lot of single target PHY attacks for the first couple turns, then almost none later.
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I think I got power creeped out of Cid Missions. I can't even do the Ultimate with my A team. By the time I get shellga and Full Breakdown up, I've usually either lost a character or am about to lose several.
The Mateus Ultimate is nearly the exact same fight as the +++ was six months ago. The only significant changes are that Mateus himself has about double the Def and Res, the ice azers have ~20k more HP each, and everything has ~15-20% higher Atk/Mag.
Full Breakdown should also not be part of your primary mitigation anyway. It's a multi-target fight. Multi Break is the obvious improvement on that, although if you only have room for one, Heathen Frolic should be your pick given the elemental weakness massively boosting damage. It's even a realm with now three 4* white mages AND a dancer. Spread that mitigation out.
Oops yeah I meant to say multibreak.
I guess raising stats is not insignificant since I had zero trouble with that one.
Ahriman CM down and mastered, one medal lost for damage. Intercession was extremely useful, Dusk's Decree was completely unimportant. Basch using Magic Lure and Gigas Armlet defanged all the single-target magics (they hit for 1.2k each). The AoE from Paladin Force's command 2 was useful to accelerate getting rid of the initial Ahriman add. This let me pause damage just above 50% (a few characters defended) to give Penelo time to re-haste everyone before starting Phase 3. Reminder: re-haste your haster first (oops). Maser Eye hurts as much as you've heard, a medica or secondary healer is highly recommended... and it sure would have been nice if I'd remembered to give Penelo and Larsa dark damage resist items.
Basch Magic Lure / Saint Cross R3 / Apocalypse Shield (x1), Paladin Force (x2) / +20% damage
Gabranth (level 60) Protectga / Power Break / Haste
Ashe Alexander R4 / Bahamut R3 / Dusk's Decree (x1) / Devotion
Penelo Multi Break R2 / Haste R4 / Intercession (x2) / Dr. Mog's
Larsa Curaja / Shellga / Haste
RW: Paladin Force
So I did the U and U+ on my alt account now (going to do the U++ later today maybe) and had less trouble than my main did, somehow. I mean the U was fairly trivial for both squads (dancing is the best), but I lost two people on the U+ on my main. My alt lost nobody, had basically zero danger of losing anybody, and got full medals. With the main I did a RW Shout to go with native Shout so I could stay hasted, with the alt I had to RW Wall or go without Wall, and I wasn't about to do that. The thing is, Maser Eye hit for like 1400-1500 each, instead of the 3500+ it hit for on my main. Maybe my main had Wall wear off and I didn't notice? But I ate two Maser Eyes (only had one on the main) and I wasn't even remotely close to losing anybody. The only holy damage I had was Basch with Saint Cross and Aerith with White Materia, while I had Cecil's Paladin Force on the main. I really expected to struggle with this fight, and then . . . I didn't. I mean Basch's physical blink was certainly handy, but it didn't stop everybody from being hit with Maser Eye because I wasn't able to get the blink up before the first one (stupid slow) and two people got hit by melee from the clones before the second one landed.
Well whatever, Championed the fight on both accounts, so I am pleased. Hopefully I can get a bit luckier with the Stops on my alt than I did on the main, having Ramza, Relm and Cecil all get stopped was incredibly irritating.
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Had three dead, and lost two medallions on damage taken, but Daedalus cleared by the skin of my teeth. Also, confuse is pointless if you were planning on using attacks. Such a super "God damnit, duh" moment.
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I don't think magic breaks Confuse.
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So if anyone else was having trouble on the ultimate starting with wall and having Ramza sleep one add per turn made it really easy. Even with no mind they each only needed one refresh during the whole fight.
So I did the U++ fight on my alt account, what a giant pain in the ass. First try ended up being super close, but he dropped a big AOE at the end that took out everybody except Aerith so I aborted and gave it another go. The second try he landed four stops on different people, so I aborted and gave it another go. The third try he landed a stop on Basch and Faris, then refreshed the stop on Basch, but I managed to squeak out a win with Ramza and Agrias dead. Basch's Ruin Impendent saved the day by avoiding what would have likely been a party-wiping AOE right near the end. Lost 1 medal for actions taken, 2 for damage received, and 1 for characters KO'ed, for a final rating of Expert. Good enough, I can survive without another 30 of each type of 5* upgrade material.
What a giant pain of a fight, though. It would have been tough enough without the 48% stop chance on that one attack. His defensive stats are comically high, and his attacks are pretty serious business. I'm just glad to get through it with both accounts, even if the alt only managed Expert.
Defeated Mateus! Had to hone thundara strike and swift bolt some more; Basch wasn't doing that much work, so after trying a couple of times I switch him for celes, gave her banishing strike and thundara strike, unbreakable spellblad indo blade.
Honed heathen frolic sarabande to r3 to reduce magic for 6 uses. Gave multibreak and HFS to Tyro and stuck him to be back with magic/mind equipment.
Ramza fell close to the end. Finished it off with a thundara strike. Watching Celes Indo blade absorb all that magic. Glorious.
Edit.- oh! I also mastered the fight!
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Ark Blast + White Materia + Paladin Force + Wall + Shout and RWed Firion's BSB for funsies = OH GOD PLEASE STOP MURDERING ME.
And PCecil even had another LB stock for a second all 9999s Paladin Force at the end thanks to Firion's BSB's Powerchain plus Ace Striker supercharging his gauge and a Platinum Shield boosting his damage. Darkra was a non-issue because of Firion's magic blink, even before I got the dual break up with Ark Blast, let alone a second magic blink when Ramza got to use it when the BSB spam began. Having a bow to put on Cecil and a gun for Tyro meant that most of the team was in the back row too, so even less damage. Aerith spent half her turns defending for lack of anything better to do. He only used his Stop attack once, on Tyro, and it didn't proc. Wouldn't have mattered much at that point anyway.
Would highly recommend already having an assload of holy stuff. It's fun times.
Ran with a pretty wacky and not even optimized team too:
Gabranth lv 80, banishing strike R4/ protectga r3, holy knight's pride, no SBs
Penelo lv 80, Holy R3 / Multi Break R2, doublecast WM (should have been Dr. Mogs or ace striker), intercession curaga medica
Ashe lv 80, Alexander R4 / Maduin R5 (didn't use once), Devotion, Maelstrom's bolt SSB
Larsa Lv 78, Curaja R5/ Haste R4, Zeal (autohaste RM), no SBs
RW: Ido blade runic
Dark resist accessories on Penelo and Larsa. Devotion was suicidal for Ashe against maser eye, so I had her cast the first runic and penelo cast the second.
If you can afford to bring runic and can finish the fight fast enough, you don't need any other magic mitigation. Runic also blocks the scripted slow on whoever has it up, so that's one less person to cast haste on if you aren't using hastega. So that means you only really need to worry about physical damage, particularly maser eye, and the debuffs.
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Beatrix's OSB is fanservicey. Varies depending on whether you have Garnet, Steiner, neither, or both. Its gimmick is that it powers up depending on how many knight abilities she uses in the battle, up to 25 (!). Garnet's new BSB uses a similar summoning mechanic as Yuna's second and comes with imperil Lightning.
I might also go double white mages, load Penelo up with attack spells, and then use Y'shtola as my healer.
Magic Lure + Gigas Amulet also does a pretty good job of trivializing things. Maser Eye at the end is the real issue. Hits like a monster truck and is the only serious physical threat to speak of. They'll plink you with regular attacks throughout, but those are mostly harmless. Maser Eye though... that's a full-fledged nuke and it's used every 3 turns, so burst through that last 50% of HP at top speed.
E:
The FFX ults next week are all weak to water... and it introduces the Shooter skill stuff with... water attacks. Alongside Tidus's water-based OSB. ...Which can do ~20% HP a shot to the U+ when used as an RW.
That should be amusing.
With runic it's a lot of no damage and nulled attacks in the first 2 phases, then he starts hitting like a truck with the maser eyes in the final phase as per usual. That makes it more viable than you might think just looking at the fight details to bring the single target haste spell, as the pressure on your healer is rather low early on, even after the slowga.
The main use of killing the clones according to the AI page is that he'll waste a turn each summoning at most 2 more in phase 3, which if you are bursting him down can potentially delay a maser eye long enough to beat him. Probably only worth considering as a bonus to AOE SBs and Alexander spam, though, I almost killed the first one incidentally on my CM run.
What's the easiest Mote dungeon to CM without synergy or SB? Haven't done any so far.
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FFXIII by a mile. The stagger mechanic makes it a very potentially sad fight. 5% chance per time it's hit to fall over, do nothing for two turns, and become weak to everything.
And 100% to stagger on the hit that knocks it under 60% HP.
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FF13 Dahaka is pretty tame, relative to the other Mote bosses and other Difficulty 180 bosses.
That is exactly right. Beyond is for spin-off games, like WoFF.
Also got my sixth twin lance. Fuck you, Record Keeper.
Reddit suggests RW Ramza BSB (!) for the party DEF boost, as well as holy damage on entry and a decent 2-hit holy damage attack command.
...zowie, U++ has almost 400k HP, 2900 DEF and 4250 RES. That's gonna take forever to chew through if you aren't loaded down with Holy damage.
I really hope that means other game realms or events are coming our way someday. I would love a TWEWY, Bravely Default, or Live a Live event.
Shellga and full break is not enough.
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I actually have decent synergy for this, just went in with a weird setup. Maser Eye is NAT but it turns out that Physical Blink nullifies it anyway, which I didn't expect. If I had to do this CM again, I'd RW Shout instead of Wall and just go full physical beatdown on Ahriman.
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That being said, it's a throwing weapon with no MAG, which limits the user pool significantly.
This is me wishing I had a lot more sources of Holy damage. All I have is Saint Cross and Banishing Strike. Never got lucky enough to pull a Holy SSB/BSB worth a damn except for Ashe's Heaven's Wrath.
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Did the U, U+ and U++ on my main account already, the U was no big deal. The U+ did indeed hit very hard with Maser Eye, even with Full Break, Power Breakdown, Cleansing Strike, Wall and Protectga in place. I guess they really want you to use a physical blink for it. Lost 1 medal for KOs. The U++ was a total jerk, his scripted Stop attack froze Ramza, then the next turn he did it again and got Relm. I had Agrias use the second charge of the RW Eiko BSB I was using and she kept everybody except Ramza alive long enough. A few turns later he also stopped Cecil while burst mode was active, which was a real hassle. I limped my way to a win without Shout, but it was far from easy. 1 medal lost to actions taken, 2 to damage received, Championed so good enough. What a friggin' jerk that boss can be.
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The AI script for the ++ (not U++) fight says his action while confused is PHY, so I would think Draw Fire would still pull it if it aims at your team. If he randomizes at himself, Draw Fire of course will not pull it.
I could be wrong about this though, Confuse status in general might get around Draw Fire. IDK
Well, back to grinding realm dungeons.
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The Mateus Ultimate is nearly the exact same fight as the +++ was six months ago. The only significant changes are that Mateus himself has about double the Def and Res, the ice azers have ~20k more HP each, and everything has ~15-20% higher Atk/Mag.
Full Breakdown should also not be part of your primary mitigation anyway. It's a multi-target fight. Multi Break is the obvious improvement on that, although if you only have room for one, Heathen Frolic should be your pick given the elemental weakness massively boosting damage. It's even a realm with now three 4* white mages AND a dancer. Spread that mitigation out.
Oops yeah I meant to say multibreak.
I guess raising stats is not insignificant since I had zero trouble with that one.
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Basch Magic Lure / Saint Cross R3 / Apocalypse Shield (x1), Paladin Force (x2) / +20% damage
Gabranth (level 60) Protectga / Power Break / Haste
Ashe Alexander R4 / Bahamut R3 / Dusk's Decree (x1) / Devotion
Penelo Multi Break R2 / Haste R4 / Intercession (x2) / Dr. Mog's
Larsa Curaja / Shellga / Haste
RW: Paladin Force
Well whatever, Championed the fight on both accounts, so I am pleased. Hopefully I can get a bit luckier with the Stops on my alt than I did on the main, having Ramza, Relm and Cecil all get stopped was incredibly irritating.
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What a giant pain of a fight, though. It would have been tough enough without the 48% stop chance on that one attack. His defensive stats are comically high, and his attacks are pretty serious business. I'm just glad to get through it with both accounts, even if the alt only managed Expert.
Honed heathen frolic sarabande to r3 to reduce magic for 6 uses. Gave multibreak and HFS to Tyro and stuck him to be back with magic/mind equipment.
Ramza fell close to the end. Finished it off with a thundara strike. Watching Celes Indo blade absorb all that magic. Glorious.
Edit.- oh! I also mastered the fight!