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Hearthstone New Player Guide:

1. Install Game
2. Play through intro stuff (Mage training)
3. Unlock every class by defeating them
4. Choose a class and level it up to 10 in any mode (You earn less XP against the AI, but will almost always win)
5. Do this with all the other classes (100 free gold!)
6. Go back and defeat all 9 Expert AI classes (100 free gold!)
7. Choose a class and level it up to 20 in any mode
8. Play an Arena run (it's free so don't worry about going 0-3)
9. Disenchant a card (typically a common 5 dust card) (95 free dust!)
10. Add some PA folks to your friends list and observe them winning a game (free pack!)
11. Find friends or relatives and play one game on an iPhone, iPad, Samsung phone, and Samsung Tablet (1 free pack per system!)
12. Spend accumulated Gold (or purchase for $25) to buy the wings of One Night in Karazhan (700 per wing)**
13. Complete Karazhan completely for 45 new cards
14. **OPTIONAL: Spend $5 for the Welcome Pack (10 packs + 1 Legendary)
15. Complete daily quests, and win any 3 games, to earn gold (in Casual or Constructed)
16. Try and reach as high a rank as possible each season, but at least aim for ranks 20, 15, 10, or 5. (Free cards/dust - see below)
17. Enter and win one Tavern Brawl each week (Free pack, but Wed-Sun only!)
18. Either spend Gold on packs of cards (100/pack - Classic for a long time) or Arena (150/run)
19. Repeat steps 15-19
** = You can save a lot of time by buying the Adventure modes for $25 each. Grinding 3500 gold will take a long time to acquire, but it is free.

Arena can earn more cards and Gold once you get good at playing it. You always get a pack of cards in Arena regardless of your record. Rewards increase as you get more wins. Therefore, earning 50 Gold will have you break even since you get a 100 Gold pack of cards automatically. 50 Gold is about 3-4 wins depending on your rewards luck. Anything more than that is pure profit. Remember, Arena rewards WotOG packs.


A special word from MncDover:

Hearthstone is a fantastic and addicting game to play. The learning curve isn't overly steep, but remembering all the cards is tough to do. BE PREPARED TO LOSE A LOT AT FIRST! If you're new to the game, there are people that have been playing for over a year and have most, if not every, card in the game. It sucks getting smashed by what seems like a legion of Legendary minions, but keep going. Eventually you'll have your own Epic and Legendary cards and can hang with anyone. Besides, Legendary cards don't always mean instant wins. In many cases, you can sub out other common/basic cards in their place.

One last note, never EVER feel bad about asking for help or netdecking popular decks. Everyone does it (I know I certainly do!) and there's no shame in it. Creating decks by yourself can be fun and inventive, but there are people out there that play professionally and spend months creating optimal decks. Not only will netdecking help you create optimal decks, but you'll start to understand why certain cards are good and find interactions you may not have previously thought of. Finally, netdecking will help you know what your opponent is playing too. When everyone is netdecking, you can much more easily predict what they have have left in their deck/hand. KNOWLEDGE IS POWER!

So yeah, ask for help here often and netdeck popular decks. :)


Daily Quests and Gold earning:

You can earn gold by completing a daily quest or by winning 3 games against a human opponent in either Casual or Ranked modes. Ironically, Casual mode is more difficult than Ranked because you aren't as readily matched up to someone of your rank. Other notes about earning gold:

1. When you win 3 games, you earn 10 gold. You can earn up to 100 gold/day this way.
2. If you get a quest you don't like, you can "reroll" it by hitting the red "X" button in the corner of the quest.
3. You can only reroll one quest per day.
4. You can reroll a previously rerolled quest.
5. Try to not have more than 3 active quests or you'll lose out on a new daily quest.
6. The "Win 7 games in any mode" quest is worth 100 gold. In addition, wins against the AI count.
7. The "Spectate" quest allows you to earn a free pack of Classic cards just by watching another person win. FREE CARDS WOOO!
8. You can complete multiple quests at the same time (ie. Win 2 games with Paladin/Rogue and Win 2 games with Paladin/Warrior both get credit if you win with Paladin)


Card rarity, identification, and dust values:

1. Look at the center of the card for a gem.
2. If the card has no gem, it is a "soulbound" card and cannot be crafted or dusted. Basically, it's a starting card.
3. If the gem is white, the card is common. These cards can be crafted for 40 dust or dusted for 5.
4. If the gem is blue, the card is rare. These cards can be crafted for 100 dust or dusted for 20.
5. If the gem is purple, the card is epic. These cards can be crafted for 400 dust or dusted for 100.
6. If the gem is orange, the card is legendary. These cards can be crafted for 1600 dust or dusted for 400.
7. Dusting a golden version of a card earns you the creation value. Example: A golden rare dusts for 100 instead of 20.
8. It's highly recommended you dust golden cards unless you don't have two copies of it already.


Supplemental Card Creation Guide:

1. Do not dust cards until you have more than 2 copies of a card
2. Unless you're committed to a class, it's better to craft neutral minions first (Sylvannas, Dr. Boom, Ragnaros, etc)
3. Dusting Gold cards earn lots more dust (unless you care about that bling look)
4. Try to only create Epic or Legendary (commons and rares will come via packs)
5. Ask us here before dusting something like a Legendary (see Legendary crafting link below)


Ranked Rewards

Each season lasts one month. At the end of the season, you'll earn a reward based on your highest rank you earned during the season. The rewards come in the form of golden cards and extra dust. For newer players, the golden cards can be dusted for a lot of dust (see dust list above) allowing you to create better cards. For pros, it's an opportunity to bling out the cards they want or stockpile dust for the next expansion. Because of this reward system, you should always try and get as high as possible each season. And don't worry about losing ranks, you still get the reward based on your best result and not your ending rank. The rewards by rank are in the spoiler below:
Rank 20 - 1 golden common card, 5 dust
Rank 19 - 1 golden common card, 10 dust
Rank 18 - 1 golden common card, 15 dust
Rank 17 - 1 golden common card, 20 dust
Rank 16 - 1 golden common card, 25 dust
Rank 15 - 1 golden common card, 1 golden rare card, 5 dust
Rank 14 - 1 golden common card, 1 golden rare card, 10 dust
Rank 13 - 1 golden common card, 1 golden rare card, 15 dust
Rank 12 - 1 golden common card, 1 golden rare card, 20 dust
Rank 11 - 1 golden common card, 1 golden rare card, 25 dust
Rank 10 - 2 golden common cards, 1 golden rare card, 5 dust
Rank 9 - 2 golden common cards, 1 golden rare card, 10 dust
Rank 8 - 2 golden common cards, 1 golden rare card, 15 dust
Rank 7 - 2 golden common cards, 1 golden rare card, 20 dust
Rank 6 - 2 golden common cards, 1 golden rare card, 25 dust
Rank 5 - 2 golden common cards, 1 golden epic card, 5 dust
Rank 4 - 2 golden common cards, 1 golden epic card, 10 dust
Rank 3 - 2 golden common cards, 1 golden epic card, 15 dust
Rank 2 - 2 golden common cards, 1 golden epic card, 20 dust
Rank 1 - 2 golden common cards, 1 golden epic card, 25 dust
Legendary - 3 golden common cards, 1 golden epic card


Important Turns to Learn:

As you play, you'll encounter a turn where your entire board of minions gets wiped out. At first you'll think this is unfair, until you realize that it isn't all that bad. Every class has Area of Effect (AoE) attacks to deal with lots of minions. Sometimes they are single cards, other times combos of cards. Either way, you need to learn when to expect these clears from happening.

The most common and widely known version of an AoE is Flamestrike from Mage. That spell does 4 damage to all minions for 7 mana. While that is a lot, and can easily swing the game in her favor, remember that it isn't unstoppable. On Turn 6, try not to play any additional minions that have less than 4 health. Or, put out minions that have deathrattles that spawn new minions (Piloted Shredder, Nurubian Egg, etc). That way, even if your board is mostly cleared, you still have minions to control and attack with.

Below is a list of very common board clear counts by class and mana. These are pretty important to remember and should be in the back of your mind every time you play. REMEMBER THAT THESE MANA COUNTS GO DOWN BY ONE IF YOUR OPPONENT IS GOING SECOND AND HASN'T USED THE COIN YET!
  • Warrior: Whirlwind [1 mana], Brawl [5 mana] (destroy all minions but one chosen randomly)
  • Paladin: Consecration [4 mana] (2 damage to all enemies), Equality [2 mana] (change the health of all minions to 1, often combined with Wild Pyromancer [2 mana] to clear the board), Avenging Wrath [6 mana] (deal 8 damage randomly to enemy characters)
  • Hunter: Explosive Trap [2 mana] (Secret, 2 damage to all enemies when your hero is attacked), Unleash the Hounds sort of (summon a 1/1 with Charge for each enemy minion)
  • Shaman: Lightning Storm [3 mana, then 2 mana next turn] (2-3 damage to all enemy minions)
  • Druid: Swipe [4 mana] (4 damage to one enemy, 1 damage to all other enemies), Starfall [5 mana] (5 damage to one enemy minion, or 2 damage to all enemy minions)
  • Rogue: Blade Flurry [4 mana] (destroy your weapon and deal its attack value to all enemies, often comboed with rogue hero power + deadly poison for a 3 damage sweep), Fan of Knives [3 mana] (deal 1 damage to all enemy minions, draw a card)
  • Priest: Holy Nova [5 mana] (2 damage to all enemies, 2 healing to all friendly characters), Auchenai Soulpriest [4 mana] + Circle of Healing [0 mana] (4 damage to all minions)
  • Mage: Arcane Explosion [2 mana] (1 damage to all enemy minions), Blizzard [6 mana] (2 damage and freeze to all enemy minions), Flamestrike [7 mana] (4 damage to all enemy minions)
  • Warlock: Hellfire [4 mana] (3 damage to all characters), Shadowflame [4 mana] (destroy a friendly minion and deal its attack value to all enemy minions)


Most agreed upon order for crafting Legendary cards:

http://www.hearthpwn.com/forums/hearthstone-general/card-discussion/5258-legendary-tier-crafting-guide


Here's a cheat-sheet for all the Secrets in the game:

All secrets in one spot!


Adventure Modes and New Cards:

Hearthstone has been out for over a two years now and has seen a lot of new content. These come in the form of Adventure Modes (single player stuff) and Expansion packs (new cards!). All of this new content can be found below. PLEASE NOTE! There is no reason to bang your head against the wall to complete Heroic boss fights. Completing them is very hard and the only reward is a special card back. Come back to them later after getting more cards in your inventory.


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League of Explorers pricing/cards/basic info:

http://hearthstone.gamepedia.com/The_League_of_Explorers


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Blackrock Mountain pricing/cards/basic info:

http://hearthstone.gamepedia.com/Blackrock_Mountain


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One Night in Karazhan/cards/basic info:

http://hearthstone.gamepedia.com/One_Night_in_Karazhan


The Grand Tournament Gameplay

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHnvw4GtlWw


Whispers of the Old Gods Gameplay

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VblNyY0BFhw


Mean Streets of Gadgetzan Gameplay

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPDBUM9PlUs



General Game Information:

The game has FOUR play modes:
  • Play - Build a 30-card deck and fight people in ranked or unranked matches.
  • Solo Adventures - Practice against the AI or enter the Single Player themed adventures like The Curse of Naxxramas and Blackrock Mountain.
  • Arena - Pay 150g, then pick a hero from a random selection of 3 heroes and draft a deck from a random pool of cards presented to you three at a time. Then battle other people who went through the same process to receive treasures!
  • Tavern Brawl - Free to enter after level 20. Rules change each week. Rewards a free pack after first victory.


Grobian's list of less intuitive facts:
  • Max handsize is 10 cards. Any card over that is drawn then immediately destroyed.
  • You can't have more than 7 minions on the board.
  • If you draw from an empty deck, each "card" you draw instead damages you, beginning at 1 damage and increasing by 1 damage each draw.
  • If multiple things happen at the same time (e.g. trigger at the end of the turn) they happen in the order their respective cards have been played.
  • There are hidden quests/achievements that award gold, notably: 100g for beating all Expert AIs, 100g for playing every class to level 10 and 300g for 100 wins total.
  • The Shaman hero power always calls one of the 4 totems that isn't out yet. If you get a totem bounced to your hand, you can play a second one, though.
  • The hunter spell Animal Companion just calls a random of the 3 possible minions.
  • The Warlock spell Sense Demons gives you 1/1 imps for 1 mana if you don't have (any more) demons in your deck.
  • Stealth overrides Taunt, not the other way around.
  • Stealth is only for the enemy, you can buff your stealthed minions.
  • Priest: Shadowform refreshes your hero power, so you can use it twice in a turn.
  • Druid: Wild Growth at 10 mana crystals awards you a spell "Excess Mana" which draws a card for 0.
  • More comprehensive list of oddities here

Hearthstone strategy and resource links
Easy intro to Hearthstone in an image.
Full daily quest list here.
TeamLiquid's new Hearthstone siteLiquidHearth
TeamLiquid's Hearthstone Article Portal, a collection of all articles they've done. A good place to start.
HearthHead - Best Arena draft practice, decklists, deck builder, card db
Hearthpwn - Practice Arena drafts, decklists, deck builder, card db. Same stuff different layout.
Chrome Hearthstone Card mouseover extension - Easily find out what all those cards people are talking about do without leaving the thread!
Trump's Neutral Common guide for Arena
A basic/starter guide site for our newer players.

Links to competitive deckslists and analysis

http://www.vicioussyndicate.com/
https://tempostorm.com/hearthstone/meta-snapshot/standard/2016-07-17

Here's a deck-tracking google spreadsheet made by our own Muffintron:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1a7ucOq8Jv3Ooes694eXxIOdX-zsCuFA_PeSyuVZsUvA/edit?usp=sharing

From Muffintron:

I've got it set-up so that I have a folder for each of the classes, and a spreadsheet for each deck, then I use individual sheets within that spreadsheet to keep track of the deck changes over time.

Just go File -> Make a copy to get a copy on to your google drive.

To use: put in the cards for the deck: Quantity, Mana cost, Name, Type (Spell, Weapon or Minion) and Rarity (Soulbound, Common, Rare, Epic, Legendary and Naxxramas).

The sheet should take care of the rest.



Decent streamers/youtube clips to watch, to learn!


Here's a list of PA people who don't mind if you spectate while they play.
*PM me, Roz, to get added to the list*
**This is not a friends list. That is located at the top of this post!**

mnc dover/mncdover#1994
hippofant/hippofant#1651
crucialityfactor/cruciality#1743
Webber/Webber #1330
Ing/Inq#1974
MMMig/MMMig#1238
Grobian/grobian#1937
Creamstout/Pub#1592
vari/vari#1998
jurg/Jurg#1365
chaosHat/ChaosHat#1637
Eclipse/Eclipse#1200
Snowglobe/Eman#1234
ShadowofVT/Shadow#1525
Konphujun/Konphujun#1458
Lux782/CanisUrsa#1339
The Escape Goat/EscapeGoat#1913
Teriferin/Teriferin#1625Orestus
Orestus/Orestus#1202
belligerent/holyground#1665
zhen_rogue/Cygnus#1972
marty81/Dex#1696
Ketbra/Ketbra#1692
Drows/Drowsy#1698
Grunt's Ghosts/GruntsGhosts#1652
spacecaptaindickjustice/1928dickjustice#1928
cloudeagle/Wordherder#1808
Lehman/LehmanCM#1350
colorlessgreen/Ceegee#1473
azith28/Shodan#1202
GoodKingJayIII/Threeve#1501
Spaffy/adamjnet#2801
TheBlackWind/TheBlackWind#1335
Tynnan/Spinnaker#1133
MadPen/MadPen#1657

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  • MNC DoverMNC Dover Full-time Voice Actor Kirkland, WARegistered User regular
    Welcome to the Penny Arcade Forum Variable Tournament!

    Our (un)official Penny Arcade Forum will focus on adding some variety to the normally stagnant HS tournament scene. But not only that, there will be prizes!*

    Each round of the tournament will feature a different rule set in order to spice up the variety and fun! Each round's restrictions will be stated below except for the final which will be revealed before the game begins to truly test our finalist's deck-building skills!

    GENERAL INFO
    • Tournament will take place on Saturday, the 24th at 11:00 am (PST)
    • This will be a 3-round tournament featuring 8 players
    • Decks must be built and submitted before the tournament to me
    • Each round is win with 3 different decks to proceed
    • There are a lot of games so players are encouraged not to play too slowly
    • Players must have Paypal accounts to claim 2nd/3rd place prizes
    • Screenshots are encouraged as well as spectating
    • You might be streamed if someone is up for it
    • Top 4 players will need to communicate so please be chat ready
    • Sign up by saying so with an "@" MNC Dover
    • First 8 people are in, all others are alternates
    • If you want to stream or commentate, let me know


    ROUNDS
    1st round: Ladies Night! Make 3 decks from different classes containing only cards that feature females. Win with all 3 decks to move on!

    If you're unsure if a character featured is female, do a quick Google search (example: Alexstraza is female). Mechs, giants, and beasts are all considered neutral and therefore unplayable. The lone exception is Misha who is confirmed female, allowing both Animal Companion and Call of the Wild playable. This is Wild format and any debatable cards will be settled by me. Please note: Read the alt text for hints...especially Master of Disguise.

    2nd round: Arena Constructed! Go to Hearthhead Arena and choose one of the 3 classes offered. Draft a deck as usual. After you finish, you'll make two extra decks out of the remaining cards you didn't select. Win with all 3 decks to move on!

    This obviously can't be perfect given the restrictions of Constructed rules (2 cards max per type), so try and draft accordingly. Like, if you're offered a 3rd Fireball, don't select it for your first deck. In the rare case you're offered 7 Fireballs, well one will become a Forgotten Torch or something equivalent. Your first deck will be set in stone, but your follow-up decks can have lots of synergy! Draft smart and make sure not to select all the good cards!

    If you're given card choices that you don't have, let me know and we'll find an equivalent card. Also, the site is a little buggy, so don't draft too fast. Sometimes cards don't have images, but are still selectable. If this occurs, get a screenshot and choose a card. The other cards will show up in the final tally and I'll allow for substitutions with proper documentation. I highly suggest doing a practice round to get used to the site before going all-in.

    Finally, make sure and screenshot your final card choices in case you forget a card or whatever. Make sure you complete this well ahead of time so it won't slow the tournament down. This will be on an honor system, so no rerolling classes or reloading card choices please. All questions, card alternates, and so on will be settled by me.

    FINALS Surprise round! Our two finalists won't know the rules until they begin play. Each will have 10-minutes to create a deck based on mystery restrictions. Should be silly fun! 3rd/4th place will also be playing in this hidden format.


    PRIZES
    • First Place! A $20 Blizzard gift card generously provided by our own @Roz! Buy 15 card packs of your choice! Perhaps get those two alt art heroes! Buy an Adventure! It's your credit, do with it as you please!
    • Second Place! I'll buy you an alt art Hero! Choose between Magni, Alleria, or Medivh! Already have 'em all? Well, put that $10 towards cards or whatever.
    • Third Place! I'll buy your Welcome Bundle! That's right, 10 free packs + a guaranteed class legend! A $5 value on me!
    • Extra Prize! 7 free packs of cards for the player with the most unique, clever, or funny deck build! A $10 value provided by @envoy1!

    Winners will be expected to take pictures of their rewards and post 'em on the forums!

    *Prize notes: First prize will be a $20 gift card code that I will PM to you. In order to claim your 2nd or 3rd place prize, you MUST have a Paypal account and be willing to share your email address via PM with me. Please keep this in mind if you enter the tournament. If you win, you can always forfeit your prize to someone else with a Paypal account if you choose. While you are receiving money, I do fully expect you to spend it on your actual reward so please post screenshots of your winnings!

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    MMMig

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  • DibbyDibby I'll do my best! Registered User regular
    Ahhhh, that fresh thread smell.

    MUH BLADE BE TURSTY*



    *for some intellectual discussion and debate regarding the popular internet card game Hearthstone

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  • BetsuniBetsuni UM-R60L Talisker IVRegistered User regular
    edited September 2016
    <Inconceivable!>*

    * All is right in the world. MNV Dover is back at the helm.

    Betsuni on
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  • I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    personally i stand by Innervate/Malchezzar/Naturalize as the brawl deck for "FUCK your mill"

    the first time you kill their coldlights and stare them dead in the eyes is a dare

    "go ahead. keep going. you can catch up."

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  • KetherialKetherial Registered User regular
    that's exactly the deck i made too.

    but then i ran into 4 hunter mech warpers in a row and i cried little tears.

    still haven't been able to think of a three card combo that beats mech warper, mill and freeze.

  • VanguardVanguard But now the dream is over. And the insect is awake.Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    I've had good success with the Discardlock deck against mech warper

    If they Drop the warper on turn 1/2 kill it with Soulfires

    Otherwise wait until they overplay and start blasting their minions since they have no way to clear boards your Soulfires/fists should be able to take most of them out

    And then your imps can trade

    Once they're down to 1-2 minions they've basically lost

  • KetherialKetherial Registered User regular
    yeah, i think discard is the way to go. except i don't have jaxx fist.

  • Minerva_SCMinerva_SC Registered User regular
    Drop Bringer of Hope Yogg in desperation against a lock who just used Jaraxxus. Notice I cant attack with my weapon and figure I'm dead since I just hit myself in the face with a flame surge and have 3 life left.

    Nah he throw a sacrifical pact into his stupid demon face. All praise Yogg, winner of all games.

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    I'm dead serious."
  • The Escape GoatThe Escape Goat incorrigible ruminant they/themRegistered User regular
    Alright, after three years of hearthstone losing games becasue of 1/4 totem rolls is starting to get annoying.

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  • BetsuniBetsuni UM-R60L Talisker IVRegistered User regular
    edited September 2016
    Apparently Blizzard has determined that I have won enough the last few days. Tried out a Tempo Mage deck since I now have a shiney new Antonidas. First two matches against Aggro Shamans and they have the perfect curves. Ok it can't be that bad, so I try another and I get this scrub Shaman deck who was running Raptors and somehow they manage to get fatal as well while I flonder around with all my big cards in my hand. I give up and run Aggro Shaman myself. First match is a mirror who has the perfect curve. Then a concede. A Tempo Mage after that who has their perfect curve with my Doomhammers and larger threats hiding somewhere in my deck. Another concede and an odd Paladin who has the perfect counters and a Light Rag. Thank Yogg Blizzard for the burly men.

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  • AlphagaiaAlphagaia Registered User regular
    edited September 2016
    Ketherial wrote: »
    that's exactly the deck i made too.

    but then i ran into 4 hunter mech warpers in a row and i cried little tears.

    still haven't been able to think of a three card combo that beats mech warper, mill and freeze.

    Flash heal, embrace the shadow, the 0 mana heal all for 4 takes care of all 3 for you, and can take on warlock discard as well, but you have to just heal yourself as he runs through his deck.

    Alphagaia on
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  • YiliasYilias Registered User regular
    Couldn't Mill just Coldlight his own Oracles then?

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  • AlphagaiaAlphagaia Registered User regular
    edited September 2016
    Yilias wrote: »
    Couldn't Mill just Coldlight his own Oracles then?

    Yes, but that just gives you more cards to deal 30 damage in flash heals, plus you clear his board every turn for free as well, so he has to do it on the turn he summons them. He basically gets one good mill turn with you losing 1-4 cards and after that just dies as you keep your hand low with ease beyond turn 4. Just make sure to play your 0 mana cards whenever you can to diminish your chance of losing flash heals in the first two turns.
    I only lose to warlock who gets a better draw and never lost to mill druid.

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  • djFindusdjFindus Registered User regular
    edited September 2016
    This guys was playing Dragonlock at rank 3 EU, wich I thought was cool. So when he added me I figured I'd say gg and compliment him on his list.

    Needless to say he did not want to discuss decks :biggrin:

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    I was playing Yogg Druid but I didn't even get to yogg

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  • Road BlockRoad Block Registered User regular
    Hey he managed to get through a conversation without resorted to racial or homophobic insults. That practically makes him the height off civility.

  • ShenShen Registered User regular
    Nothing but shaman on the EU ladder, myself included. It's incredibly boring.

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  • BethrynBethryn Unhappiness is Mandatory Registered User regular
    Shen wrote: »
    Nothing but shaman on the EU ladder, myself included. It's incredibly boring.
    55% win rate decks. Both aggro and midrange, and that's including the matches against each other; against non-shamans, it's something like 57%.

    Pretty silly.

    ...and of course, as always, Kill Hitler.
  • djFindusdjFindus Registered User regular
    Shen wrote: »
    Nothing but shaman on the EU ladder, myself included. It's incredibly boring.

    I have seen ridiculous amounts of Anyfin/Nzoth Paladin at my ranks 5/4 atm. But yeah, Shamanstone is getting old. Onik really pushed midrange into the ridiculous, before I felt I had a decent match up with Dragon Warrior but Spirit Claws and Maelstrom Portal really put them ahead for some reason.

  • KetherialKetherial Registered User regular
    Alphagaia wrote: »
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    that's exactly the deck i made too.

    but then i ran into 4 hunter mech warpers in a row and i cried little tears.

    still haven't been able to think of a three card combo that beats mech warper, mill and freeze.

    Flash heal, embrace the shadow, the 0 mana heal all for 4 takes care of all 3 for you, and can take on warlock discard as well, but you have to just heal yourself as he runs through his deck.

    this is awesome!

    wish i had a flashheal though.

    i'm just theorycrafting, but will it beat freeze? seems difficult.

  • MuffinatronMuffinatron Registered User regular
    TempoStorm's meta snapshot lists Fun and Interactive Hunter as a Tier 5 gimmick deck.
    It is a gimmick deck and heavily reliant on drawing Barnes early, and hoping your opponent can't kill your 10/10. It's hard to see this deck being more than a deck you occasionally get high-rolled by, but overall, the consistency is not there and doesn't look like it could be a major contender in the meta.

    I disagree with their assessment.

    I know 58 ranked games isn't a great sample size, but it's what I have.

    So it broke down as 24 games with the combo and 34 without (~41%/59%)

    Of those 24 games with combo I won 22 of them (~91% winrate), and the 34 I didn't I won 19 games (~56%)

    Those win-rates are likely to head downwards the higher a rank I achieve, but I still think it's a pretty solid deck.

    You may not get the combo, but the base winrate is still good enough for the 40% of the time you get a near guaranteed win no matter your opponent's deck choice.

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  • LucedesLucedes might be real Registered User regular
    I was playing Meme Hunter a few nights ago for a quest and drew the combo almost every time.
    Y'Shaarj got executed, hexed, polymorphed, SW:D'd, or otherwise mangled every time.

    I still won games by dealing a ton of damage with stuff like skill command and call of the wild.
    I have to echo that the base deck is actually not bad, and doesn't need the combo to win. It surprised me.

  • DibbyDibby I'll do my best! Registered User regular
    edited September 2016
    Dank Meme Hunter is really just a variant of Yogg Hunter, if you think about it.

    It's the same exact shell but minus Lock and Loads/Cloaked Huntresses/Yogg/Elekk/Thaurissan (does it run Thaurissan?), lower curve in general and with Barnes/Y'Shaarj.

    26 spells, 2 weapons, and 2 minions with many many angles of attack. Lots of ways to control the board and pile on aggression.

    It is a GOOD deck. The TempoStorm circlejerk doesn't approve? Well good, it just means people won't be prepared for it on ladder. All the more reason to run it.

    Besides, any deck that has the potential to literally win the game on Turn 4 is good in my book. :bzz:

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  • I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    when's it going to legend

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  • The Escape GoatThe Escape Goat incorrigible ruminant they/themRegistered User regular
    like yeah sure, you guys can say it's a good deck in your experience, but it's seen 0 ladder play and not many (if any?) people have actually taken the time grinding to legend with it and recording the stats and analyzing the matchups and all that

    I am not at all against the tempo guys going "this deck looks kinda weird and we have actually no data on it so we're just gonna brush it off for now until we see it properly looked at and refined"

    like they had c'thun warrior at tier 4 at the start of WoG and people scoffed but they were explicit in "the pieces are probably here, we just don't have the data or a refined list yet so we're not gonna claim it's good yet"

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  • CoinageCoinage Heaviside LayerRegistered User regular
    edited September 2016
    I tried Arena again for the first time in months to see if the changes made it not incredibly fucking stupid. Nope. And as my reward I got a regular Cone of Cold and a pack.

    Coinage on
  • NeadenNeaden Registered User regular
    Tempo Mage mirror match is pretty fun. It has quite a bit of RNG, but besides the arcane missiles and flamewakers it's mostly coming from Cabalist Tome and Babbling Book which is the kind I enjoy more. Having a hand full of random spells and trying to figure out how to use them best is fun, and seeing your opponent cast Shatter is fun even if it does win them the game.

  • kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    Is Battle.net having problems? I keep getting disconnected for a few seconds, then when it reconnects it ropes me all of the sudden.

    Now the client can't connect at all.

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  • BetsuniBetsuni UM-R60L Talisker IVRegistered User regular
    edited September 2016
    kime wrote: »
    Is Battle.net having problems? I keep getting disconnected for a few seconds, then when it reconnects it ropes me all of the sudden.

    Now the client can't connect at all.

    Think they just got DDOS'd again... Diablo 3 also went down with the client.

    Edit: Yep, Blizz just posted on Twitter they're getting DDOS'd.

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  • MMMigMMMig Registered User regular
    Ya it's down for me as well.

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  • kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    Betsuni wrote: »
    kime wrote: »
    Is Battle.net having problems? I keep getting disconnected for a few seconds, then when it reconnects it ropes me all of the sudden.

    Now the client can't connect at all.

    Think they just got DDOS'd again... Diablo 3 also went down with the client.

    Edit: Yep, Blizz just posted on Twitter they're getting DDOS'd.

    Do other companies get DDOS'd with the frequency of Blizzard? Or are they just especially hated for some reason...?

    I don't play many other games that require an Internet connection, so I don't have any idea really.

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  • I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    Blizzard is a large public company, and you take out some of the biggest games out there by hitting them.

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  • hippofanthippofant ティンク Registered User regular
    I don't think people DDOS Blizzard because they hate Blizzard. They're just trolling, and you troll the biggest fish in the sea.

  • kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    hippofant wrote: »
    I don't think people DDOS Blizzard because they hate Blizzard. They're just trolling, and you troll the biggest fish in the sea.

    They surely aren't the biggest, though. I don't have numbers, just guessing, but do Blizzard games outnumber LoL? Dota? CS (Does Counterstrike use central servers? Don't know...)?

    I mean, I understand why they are a frequent target, I'm just curious if they're the only ones. Even if Blizzard outnumbers the other games, taking down LoL would be a big troll too. Maybe even get a bigger reaction from players.

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  • RozRoz Boss of InternetRegistered User regular
    edited September 2016
    kime wrote: »
    Betsuni wrote: »
    kime wrote: »
    Is Battle.net having problems? I keep getting disconnected for a few seconds, then when it reconnects it ropes me all of the sudden.

    Now the client can't connect at all.

    Think they just got DDOS'd again... Diablo 3 also went down with the client.

    Edit: Yep, Blizz just posted on Twitter they're getting DDOS'd.

    Do other companies get DDOS'd with the frequency of Blizzard? Or are they just especially hated for some reason...?

    I don't play many other games that require an Internet connection, so I don't have any idea really.

    Many do, yes. Some for ransom, some as a diversion tactic to penetrate deeper into the target's network. Some do it for the lolz, or for bravado.

    Unfortunately, I can't go into great detail, but these attacks are coordinated, and not random.

    *edit* I can also confirm that the largest attacks we've seen have been against media companies. There are a combination of factors as to why.

    Roz on
  • I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    in addition, Blizzard has a centralized service in B.Net that manages connection to all its games, whereas other services like League don't necessarily have that same vulnerability - maybe you can take out NA West on League, but you need another attack to hit NA East

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  • kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    in addition, Blizzard has a centralized service in B.Net that manages connection to all its games, whereas other services like League don't necessarily have that same vulnerability - maybe you can take out NA West on League, but you need another attack to hit NA East

    A centralized service doesn't necessarily mean a centralized server. Well, I mean, I'm assuming Blizzard also has servers spread throughout the US for the Amerca "server". I guess it doesn't have to :P

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  • I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    kime wrote: »
    in addition, Blizzard has a centralized service in B.Net that manages connection to all its games, whereas other services like League don't necessarily have that same vulnerability - maybe you can take out NA West on League, but you need another attack to hit NA East

    A centralized service doesn't necessarily mean a centralized server. Well, I mean, I'm assuming Blizzard also has servers spread throughout the US for the Amerca "server". I guess it doesn't have to :P

    you say that and yet ddos knocks out every blizzard game :P

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  • kimekime Queen of Blades Registered User regular
    kime wrote: »
    in addition, Blizzard has a centralized service in B.Net that manages connection to all its games, whereas other services like League don't necessarily have that same vulnerability - maybe you can take out NA West on League, but you need another attack to hit NA East

    A centralized service doesn't necessarily mean a centralized server. Well, I mean, I'm assuming Blizzard also has servers spread throughout the US for the Amerca "server". I guess it doesn't have to :P

    you say that and yet ddos knocks out every blizzard game :P

    touche

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  • RozRoz Boss of InternetRegistered User regular
    in addition, Blizzard has a centralized service in B.Net that manages connection to all its games, whereas other services like League don't necessarily have that same vulnerability - maybe you can take out NA West on League, but you need another attack to hit NA East

    One of the major challenges for any DDOS strategy is how to reduce time to mitigate. If Blizzard was under constant mitigation they'd suffer a decent performance hit for their games, which most players wouldn't stomach. So an "on demand" model is more appropriate, which is why the servers get hit, go down, they mitigate the attack, and can come up quickly. This is probably better than a constant 15-25MS performance hit in latency.

  • KoopahTroopahKoopahTroopah The koopas, the troopas. Philadelphia, PARegistered User regular
    Also people are specifically targeting Blizzard for IP banning cheaters from Overwatch. Pretty much whenever there's a new Overwatch ban wave that goes out there's a DDOS the next day.

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