I'm glad Damon took the time to include his little jokes rather than actually useful cards (battlement being 4 influence - as a shit barrier it's the most weyland card ever).
Not super happy with the runner side of this: more ways to make ice irrelevant, and more ability leakage between factions. Corp side seems all about sweet combos which I do like .
- Woo more NEXT ice
- is Bioroid Work Crew specifically for scoring 4-advance agendas in conjunction with Biotic Labor? It seems really janky
- Aeneas Informant seems super gross in a Medium deck
- AgInfusion seems fun
I'm actually super stoked about Informant, since it'll probably end up being a replacement for Mr. Phones in my Sunny deck when it rotates. (Or right now, instead of data folding.) Combos really nicely with Jak, and isn't limited to once per turn.
Plus the 0 install cost is *real* nice.
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isn't battlement a slightly cheaper 1 sub less spiderweb?
yes
it is very mediocre
idk why they make ice that is just "another ice, but slightly worse/better and cheaper/more expensive"
the 2.0 bioroids are an example of how to do an "upgrade" but make them more interesting- the whole 2 click 2 subs thing poses interesting choices on 3 sub ice.
isn't battlement a slightly cheaper 1 sub less spiderweb?
yes
it is very mediocre
idk why they make ice that is just "another ice, but slightly worse/better and cheaper/more expensive"
the 2.0 bioroids are an example of how to do an "upgrade" but make them more interesting- the whole 2 click 2 subs thing poses interesting choices on 3 sub ice.
Since the whole game is about economic efficiency, it's interesting to be able to choose icebreakers that work well against the ice you expect to face, and vice versa. If your meta is full of Morning Star for some reason, then you might prefer Battlement to Spiderweb. Or more realistically, if you're expecting your cheap barrier to get parasited to death anyway, you'd probably rather pay less for Battlement. Or one credit could make the difference for a timing play, etc. If I was otherwise going to have two Spiderwebs in my deck, I like being able to have one Spiderweb and one Battlement just to have an option.
I do not understand why Battlement is four influence. It does not seem like something that is significantly more Weyland-themed than Spiderweb or Ice Wall, or so powerful that they need to prevent it from going in every deck.
Yeah how else are things like temujin or friends in high places only 2 and 1 respectively....
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I helped run Seattle regionals this weekend
the winner was Kyle James (very, very strong Portland-based player) playing an ETF Moon deck of his own design, plus the Andromeda deck that timmy wong used at norcal regionals
I don't think he's posted his ETF decklist yet
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other stats from that tourney:
at the end of Swiss, three out of the top four players were playing Weyland decks; one of them was Blue Sun, and I think the other two were Skorpios
one of them was running Eddie Kim, surprisingly
Smoke did really well for a lot of people; the tourney runner-up was playing a really aggressive version of her with Desperado, which tore apart the cut until grand finals
nobody brought Steve or, I think, Bios
Whizzard was by far the most common Anarch, I assume because everyone was terrified of Moon
I don't think anyone at all brought CTM; yellow in general didn't have a big showing, though a Sync player did make it to the cut
Jinteki was represented by one PE, one RP, and like four Tennin; none of them did particularly well, and I was a little surprised not to see any Palana, though with all the whizzard out there that was probably a good call
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Edward Kim is the ONE runner I absolutely HATE to see.
he's still one of my favorites, I played nothing but him for like two months after that box came out, and I was really happy to see somebody doing well with him
re: FAQ, I'm happy to see shutdown is gone as a combo-enabler
I don't have a problem with combo, in general, but having to sit and wait for five minutes while somebody maths out their seven-point CI AD-shutdown win con was just agonizing
though I do also think the timing is weird? like it's going to rotate in a few months anyway, why not just identify the problematic combo components and MWL them, instead?
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Calling the Power Shutdown change a "clarification" is a real generous interpretation of that term.
Does this mean that any action that "doesn't change the game state" is now an illegal action?
It's a tough call. Technically it changes the game state by costing a click and removing a card from HQ...
The standard cost of playing a card has never been considered when determining if it changes the game state.
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it's already illegal to do anything that doesn't have the potential to change the game state, outside of costs that are paid
so, for example, you can't fire Estelle Moon's [trash] ability if she has zero counters on her, because nothing will happen that isn't part of that cost
this should not be taken as a defense of this rule, imo it complicates the game needlessly and you should just be able to do the shit you want with your cards and if you do something that has no effect on the game state, you know, *shrug*
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oh one more thing about the FAQ:
if you're the type of person who really wants to dig into the nitty-gritty of how Netrunner works at its most fundamental levels, this is the FAQ for you
Various versions of the Estelle Moon HB deck are all over the damn place in my local meta. It is quickly overwhelming unless you're packing a lot of hate, which my Smoke deck isn't. Some have Lakshmi, which Film Critic takes care of, but it's just not rich enough to keep trashing those assets again and again. You need to check everything, and trash a whole lot. I would imagine this deck will be all over the place during regionals, unless some unspoiled hate for asset spam is on its way.
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I honestly think Moon is really strong but not overpowered as long as you aren't able to recur her whenever you want, and Friends has always been a problem card
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Not super happy with the runner side of this: more ways to make ice irrelevant, and more ability leakage between factions. Corp side seems all about sweet combos which I do like
- is Bioroid Work Crew specifically for scoring 4-advance agendas in conjunction with Biotic Labor? It seems really janky
- Aeneas Informant seems super gross in a Medium deck
- AgInfusion seems fun
Plus the 0 install cost is *real* nice.
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yes
it is very mediocre
idk why they make ice that is just "another ice, but slightly worse/better and cheaper/more expensive"
the 2.0 bioroids are an example of how to do an "upgrade" but make them more interesting- the whole 2 click 2 subs thing poses interesting choices on 3 sub ice.
Since the whole game is about economic efficiency, it's interesting to be able to choose icebreakers that work well against the ice you expect to face, and vice versa. If your meta is full of Morning Star for some reason, then you might prefer Battlement to Spiderweb. Or more realistically, if you're expecting your cheap barrier to get parasited to death anyway, you'd probably rather pay less for Battlement. Or one credit could make the difference for a timing play, etc. If I was otherwise going to have two Spiderwebs in my deck, I like being able to have one Spiderweb and one Battlement just to have an option.
I do not understand why Battlement is four influence. It does not seem like something that is significantly more Weyland-themed than Spiderweb or Ice Wall, or so powerful that they need to prevent it from going in every deck.
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the winner was Kyle James (very, very strong Portland-based player) playing an ETF Moon deck of his own design, plus the Andromeda deck that timmy wong used at norcal regionals
I don't think he's posted his ETF decklist yet
at the end of Swiss, three out of the top four players were playing Weyland decks; one of them was Blue Sun, and I think the other two were Skorpios
one of them was running Eddie Kim, surprisingly
Smoke did really well for a lot of people; the tourney runner-up was playing a really aggressive version of her with Desperado, which tore apart the cut until grand finals
nobody brought Steve or, I think, Bios
Whizzard was by far the most common Anarch, I assume because everyone was terrified of Moon
I don't think anyone at all brought CTM; yellow in general didn't have a big showing, though a Sync player did make it to the cut
Jinteki was represented by one PE, one RP, and like four Tennin; none of them did particularly well, and I was a little surprised not to see any Palana, though with all the whizzard out there that was probably a good call
https://images-cdn.fantasyflightgames.com/filer_public/01/f0/01f0cd58-eed3-4f6d-a43d-738ccb2156b6/adn_faq_40.pdf
Edward Kim is the ONE runner I absolutely HATE to see.
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Does this mean that any action that "doesn't change the game state" is now an illegal action?
he's still one of my favorites, I played nothing but him for like two months after that box came out, and I was really happy to see somebody doing well with him
re: FAQ, I'm happy to see shutdown is gone as a combo-enabler
I don't have a problem with combo, in general, but having to sit and wait for five minutes while somebody maths out their seven-point CI AD-shutdown win con was just agonizing
though I do also think the timing is weird? like it's going to rotate in a few months anyway, why not just identify the problematic combo components and MWL them, instead?
It's a tough call. Technically it changes the game state by costing a click and removing a card from HQ...
The standard cost of playing a card has never been considered when determining if it changes the game state.
so, for example, you can't fire Estelle Moon's [trash] ability if she has zero counters on her, because nothing will happen that isn't part of that cost
this should not be taken as a defense of this rule, imo it complicates the game needlessly and you should just be able to do the shit you want with your cards and if you do something that has no effect on the game state, you know, *shrug*
if you're the type of person who really wants to dig into the nitty-gritty of how Netrunner works at its most fundamental levels, this is the FAQ for you
the game basically has comprehensive rules now
hooray MCA errata
hooray some other good clarifications
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I'm not gonna be judging after all because I need to table for my own game but I'm looking forward to it anyway, should be a ton of fun
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I think your best bet is to beat it in R&D, and try to keep DBS, Moon, and Clone Suffrage off the board
but honestly a tuned Moon deck might be favored against every runner right now, more because of Friends than Moon herself
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