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USA Presidential Election 2016: The Kids Are All White
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DEBATE INFO
Who: Tim Kaine vs. Mike Pence
When: Tuesday, October 4th @ 9pm EDT
Where: Farmville, VA
How: You should be able to find this on most major stations along with their sites and YouTube for streaming.
Who: Hillary Clinton vs. Donald Trump
When: Sunday, October 9th @ 9pm EDT
Where: St. Louis, MO
How: Again, every channel should be airing it both on TV and streaming online.
The country that brought you pizza rolls is having an election! For president! It's the head of the USA's executive branch, and arguably the most powerful position that any one person on the planet can hold. This kind of election only happens once every four years, so you gotta enjoy it while it lasts! Let's have a good time and talk about all the hilarious ups and downs of this election season. Warning: sometimes it may be less hilarious, and more soul-crushing!
Things to Consider Before Posting
Previously in the POTUS Thread...
A lot of time hasn't passed since the previous thread, which is unsurprising since the debate happened and sped things along. And what a debate it was! Most admit that Clinton performed better than Trump, who allowed himself to be baited by Clinton's insinuations that Trump ain't as rich as he claims. It go worse as the evening went on, with Trump doing what he did during the primary and interrupting constantly like a shitty child. This game to a head at the end of the debate, when Trump seriously brought up his spat with Rosie O'Donnell from like ten years ago. I dunno what to say when your defense against claims of misogyny is to bring up a decade-old spat and claim the woman deserved to be called a pig. And these issues are lingering past the debate, with Trump hell-bent on destroying the Latina woman that, during the debate, Clinton claims he badmouthed many years ago. Nothing like having a presidential candidate tweet to Americans that they should look up a woman's (non-existent) sex tape.
Clinton's debate win is already being reflected by an uptick in the polls. It's not the commanding lead she held throughout August, but she's in a much better place than the roughly 1 point lead she desperately holding onto less than two weeks ago. While we won't see the real effects of the debate until next week, Clinton is trending upwards now. Of course, that could change after Tuesday's Vice Presidential Debate, but given that's it's two of the most milquetoast men facing off in an debate that traditionally garners less interest than its counterpart...yeah, don't expect the VP debate to have a huge change in trajectory for the election unless someone makes a hilarious blunder.
Would you like to know more? Read the previous threads...
In the Blue Corner...
"Smilin'" Hillary Clinton
68 Years Old
Former Secretary of State and Senator
Strengths: A strong start leads Clinton with a bit of breathing room. Now she can get a headstart and really apply pressure by focusing on actual policy since Trump's personality has been largely exposed to that of spoiled manchild. She needs to stay away from humor...she's a politician, not a comedian, and her bad jokes tend to fall flat and that sticks in people's minds. Good thing this is a debate and not stand-up, because she knows now that Trump can be baited quite easily, and all she has to do is set the bait and let him fall for it. So long as she keeps her composure, and doesn't get bogged down into slapfights with him, the debates will always end with Hillary looking like the only adult present.
Weaknesses: Trump has undoubtedly been yelled at for being a huge turd, and he won't be as easy to bait. Relying on Trumpy tantrums and interruptions won't be as effective if Trump knows what's good for him, and that means it's important to focus on policy and not let him derail with his bullshit.
Timothy "Tim" Kaine
58 Years Old
Senator, Former Governor of Virginia and DNC Chair
Strengths: Pence is a fairly soft target given that his claim to national family is being a shithead to gay people. Expect that to be a big topic for the evening if Kaine is permitted to run with it. Pence also isn't a super popular governor right now with middling approval rating. All in all, Kaine just comes off as way more likable and representative of today than the hateful old man from the Age of Reagan. I mean, if you ignore that Kaine is older than Pence. But it's kinda easy to, isn't it? There's also the distinct possibility Kaine may drag Trump into this, bringing up his poor demeanor and constant lies.
Weaknesses: His term in office ended with low approval ratings. Part of this was just being at the wrong place at the wrong time, given he was in office when everything went to hell in 2008, but he also took flak for taking the position of DNC chair while in office. This could be used to paint a picture of a man more focused on his career than doing his civil duty. While a popular Senator, Pence could use that as ammo to given the Senate's abyssal approval ratings and the cool new thing where Republicans admit there was recovery, but that it was the slowest ever.
In the Red Corner...
Donald "Sniffles" Trump
70 Years Old
he's allowed to run
Strengths: Here is a lesson from kindergarten: wait your turn. Stop interrupting, stop being so ridiculously easy to goad. You do NOT have an even REMOTELY good temperament, and the path to victory requires you realizing that now rather than later. If you can stop being a dope and pressure Clinton into explaining stuff like TPP and her superpredator comments in the 90s, you could possibly turn things around. Clinton is far from invulnerable, and by keeping her "scandals" in the public focus, you may encourage enough people to at least stay home to keep the race competitive.
Weaknesses: Your ego will not allow you to realize that the person to blame for your poor results is you.
Michael "Mike" Pence
57 Years Old
Governor of Indiana
Strengths: Pence can more or less match Kaine for overall experience, and you could give Pence the edge since he has executive experience for today and not seven years ago like Kaine. There is a chance Pence may wrap himself in a cloak of FREEDOM, and imply that his bakery bullshit wasn't bigotry was red-blooded American Spirit. Shouldn't be too hard for Pence given that, unlike his running mate, Pence knows how to dog whistle and bury his meaning underneath euphemism. Just paint Kaine as a guy who wants government controlling everything and mandating gay abortions. The only people who will be watching are retirees, right?
Weaknesses: Gay rights are a losing issue. Like I said: he can allude, but Pence can't directly mention it because the country ain't on board with that anymore, at least on a superficial level, and he's not super popular with most of the country. He is also debating on the heels of Trump's poor performance, giving him an enormous burden to try and right the ship or at least stop the leaking so Trump has less ground to make up on the 9th. This leads to a weird balancing act of maintaining the eccentricities of the Trump campaign while also reminding establishment Republicans that you're on the ticket for them.
FAQ
Who are our tragic third-party candidates?
Jill Stein (with running mate Ajamu Baraka) is running on the Green Party ticket, and Gary Johnson (with running mate Bill Weld) is the Libertarian candidate. There's other perennial candidates, such as Vermin Supreme, but I'd be here all day rattling off those.
What's a battleground?
A state that is polling more or less in the middle is considered a battleground. Because solidly Republican or Democratic states would require too much time and money to make even a dent in polls, candidates focus on the handful of states that are feasible to turn. Now, this doesn't mean that voting in a "stronghold" state is pointless. After all, many battleground states were at one point or another considered reliable votes for one party or the other, and people do pay attention to shifts in polls even if the overall outcome hasn't quite changed yet.
States "in play" this election include Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Michigan, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Wisconsin. Oh, and apparently Georgia now?
When are the debates?
September 26, 2016
October 4, 2016 (VP)
October 9, 2016
October 19, 2016
When is Election Day?
November 8th, 2016
How long do I have to register to vote?
It varies by state
November 8th is kinda busy for me. Can I vote early?
It varies by state, although some states don't allow for early voting at all.
I want to vote from a safe distance. What are my options for citizens abroad?
This should help you out.
Note that this should also be useful for people who are still in the States but will be in another state/city/etc from wherever they're registered come election day.
Who: Tim Kaine vs. Mike Pence
When: Tuesday, October 4th @ 9pm EDT
Where: Farmville, VA
How: You should be able to find this on most major stations along with their sites and YouTube for streaming.
Who: Hillary Clinton vs. Donald Trump
When: Sunday, October 9th @ 9pm EDT
Where: St. Louis, MO
How: Again, every channel should be airing it both on TV and streaming online.
The country that brought you pizza rolls is having an election! For president! It's the head of the USA's executive branch, and arguably the most powerful position that any one person on the planet can hold. This kind of election only happens once every four years, so you gotta enjoy it while it lasts! Let's have a good time and talk about all the hilarious ups and downs of this election season. Warning: sometimes it may be less hilarious, and more soul-crushing!
Things to Consider Before Posting
- Resist the urge to dogpile unpopular sentiments. If it's really inflammatory then report it.
- Just because somebody is/isn't voting doesn't mean they are personally responsible for the downfall of democracy.
- This is SE++ so don't get hung up on derails.
Previously in the POTUS Thread...
A lot of time hasn't passed since the previous thread, which is unsurprising since the debate happened and sped things along. And what a debate it was! Most admit that Clinton performed better than Trump, who allowed himself to be baited by Clinton's insinuations that Trump ain't as rich as he claims. It go worse as the evening went on, with Trump doing what he did during the primary and interrupting constantly like a shitty child. This game to a head at the end of the debate, when Trump seriously brought up his spat with Rosie O'Donnell from like ten years ago. I dunno what to say when your defense against claims of misogyny is to bring up a decade-old spat and claim the woman deserved to be called a pig. And these issues are lingering past the debate, with Trump hell-bent on destroying the Latina woman that, during the debate, Clinton claims he badmouthed many years ago. Nothing like having a presidential candidate tweet to Americans that they should look up a woman's (non-existent) sex tape.
Clinton's debate win is already being reflected by an uptick in the polls. It's not the commanding lead she held throughout August, but she's in a much better place than the roughly 1 point lead she desperately holding onto less than two weeks ago. While we won't see the real effects of the debate until next week, Clinton is trending upwards now. Of course, that could change after Tuesday's Vice Presidential Debate, but given that's it's two of the most milquetoast men facing off in an debate that traditionally garners less interest than its counterpart...yeah, don't expect the VP debate to have a huge change in trajectory for the election unless someone makes a hilarious blunder.
Would you like to know more? Read the previous threads...
- Bad Hair Day
- Over the Hegemony
- Screams from My Father
- Vice Vice Baby
- A Ring of Liar
- A Day at the Racist
- Straight Outta Breitbart
- A Hard Day's Right
- Galoot Debate
In the Blue Corner...
"Smilin'" Hillary Clinton
68 Years Old
Former Secretary of State and Senator
Strengths: A strong start leads Clinton with a bit of breathing room. Now she can get a headstart and really apply pressure by focusing on actual policy since Trump's personality has been largely exposed to that of spoiled manchild. She needs to stay away from humor...she's a politician, not a comedian, and her bad jokes tend to fall flat and that sticks in people's minds. Good thing this is a debate and not stand-up, because she knows now that Trump can be baited quite easily, and all she has to do is set the bait and let him fall for it. So long as she keeps her composure, and doesn't get bogged down into slapfights with him, the debates will always end with Hillary looking like the only adult present.
Weaknesses: Trump has undoubtedly been yelled at for being a huge turd, and he won't be as easy to bait. Relying on Trumpy tantrums and interruptions won't be as effective if Trump knows what's good for him, and that means it's important to focus on policy and not let him derail with his bullshit.
Timothy "Tim" Kaine
58 Years Old
Senator, Former Governor of Virginia and DNC Chair
Strengths: Pence is a fairly soft target given that his claim to national family is being a shithead to gay people. Expect that to be a big topic for the evening if Kaine is permitted to run with it. Pence also isn't a super popular governor right now with middling approval rating. All in all, Kaine just comes off as way more likable and representative of today than the hateful old man from the Age of Reagan. I mean, if you ignore that Kaine is older than Pence. But it's kinda easy to, isn't it? There's also the distinct possibility Kaine may drag Trump into this, bringing up his poor demeanor and constant lies.
Weaknesses: His term in office ended with low approval ratings. Part of this was just being at the wrong place at the wrong time, given he was in office when everything went to hell in 2008, but he also took flak for taking the position of DNC chair while in office. This could be used to paint a picture of a man more focused on his career than doing his civil duty. While a popular Senator, Pence could use that as ammo to given the Senate's abyssal approval ratings and the cool new thing where Republicans admit there was recovery, but that it was the slowest ever.
In the Red Corner...
Donald "Sniffles" Trump
70 Years Old
he's allowed to run
Strengths: Here is a lesson from kindergarten: wait your turn. Stop interrupting, stop being so ridiculously easy to goad. You do NOT have an even REMOTELY good temperament, and the path to victory requires you realizing that now rather than later. If you can stop being a dope and pressure Clinton into explaining stuff like TPP and her superpredator comments in the 90s, you could possibly turn things around. Clinton is far from invulnerable, and by keeping her "scandals" in the public focus, you may encourage enough people to at least stay home to keep the race competitive.
Weaknesses: Your ego will not allow you to realize that the person to blame for your poor results is you.
Michael "Mike" Pence
57 Years Old
Governor of Indiana
Strengths: Pence can more or less match Kaine for overall experience, and you could give Pence the edge since he has executive experience for today and not seven years ago like Kaine. There is a chance Pence may wrap himself in a cloak of FREEDOM, and imply that his bakery bullshit wasn't bigotry was red-blooded American Spirit. Shouldn't be too hard for Pence given that, unlike his running mate, Pence knows how to dog whistle and bury his meaning underneath euphemism. Just paint Kaine as a guy who wants government controlling everything and mandating gay abortions. The only people who will be watching are retirees, right?
Weaknesses: Gay rights are a losing issue. Like I said: he can allude, but Pence can't directly mention it because the country ain't on board with that anymore, at least on a superficial level, and he's not super popular with most of the country. He is also debating on the heels of Trump's poor performance, giving him an enormous burden to try and right the ship or at least stop the leaking so Trump has less ground to make up on the 9th. This leads to a weird balancing act of maintaining the eccentricities of the Trump campaign while also reminding establishment Republicans that you're on the ticket for them.
FAQ
Who are our tragic third-party candidates?
Jill Stein (with running mate Ajamu Baraka) is running on the Green Party ticket, and Gary Johnson (with running mate Bill Weld) is the Libertarian candidate. There's other perennial candidates, such as Vermin Supreme, but I'd be here all day rattling off those.
What's a battleground?
A state that is polling more or less in the middle is considered a battleground. Because solidly Republican or Democratic states would require too much time and money to make even a dent in polls, candidates focus on the handful of states that are feasible to turn. Now, this doesn't mean that voting in a "stronghold" state is pointless. After all, many battleground states were at one point or another considered reliable votes for one party or the other, and people do pay attention to shifts in polls even if the overall outcome hasn't quite changed yet.
States "in play" this election include Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Michigan, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Wisconsin. Oh, and apparently Georgia now?
When are the debates?
September 26, 2016
October 4, 2016 (VP)
October 9, 2016
October 19, 2016
When is Election Day?
November 8th, 2016
How long do I have to register to vote?
It varies by state
November 8th is kinda busy for me. Can I vote early?
It varies by state, although some states don't allow for early voting at all.
I want to vote from a safe distance. What are my options for citizens abroad?
This should help you out.
Note that this should also be useful for people who are still in the States but will be in another state/city/etc from wherever they're registered come election day.
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Janeway's writing was so inconsistent that in later seasons Kate Mulgrew more or less came up with a headcanon that her character was bipolar.
Its like how First Contact Picard is pretty different character from TNG Picard except instead of a movie separated by years it happened more or less every week because the writers couldn't put in the effort to pin down the character.
You've had some good ones but this one might be your finest work.
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Where did you find those caricatures? They are incredible!
it happens in just about every sustained episodic series with different writers. especially because janeway was never really flattened down to a few obvious attributes, it may have been more noticeable with her character but that's a testament to progression rather than bad writing
though i still feel like there's an extra pressure on women where we're entitled to cut out, observe, and judge their interiority in a manner that wouldn't be acceptable if applied to a man
There are three! (Plus one in Canada.) There are also eleven towns called "Farmersville" plus a mind-boggling 39 towns and cities called "Farmington," including five in Wisconsin alone.
Listen, the United States is a big place, and you don't have a lot of time to come up with interesting names when you're sodbusting. They can't all be Kalamazoo or Superior Bottom.
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FYI this video starts with Game of Thrones spoilers right off the bat.
Because the problem is that there were like a handfull different interpretations of Janeway that'd be freely mixed and matched within a season. One episode we'd get the hard-assed but compassionate captain who'd do anything to get her crew back home. Next episode we'd get the overly cold professional who'd never ever even consider going against the Prime Directive. And then it'd switch back again.
edit: Heck, I even want to say that they specifically leaned into this in the last episode by having the former go back and time to tell the latter to cut it out.
I Swear Allegiance To The God-Empress In Life And In Death
It always struck me as weird that people don't bring it up more often
Although I think this is also true for Kirk
I'd vote for the MCP
The
Fuck
Up
Speaking of Star Trek, this is literally an episode of the original series.
I dunno, I always thought it was weirdly inspiring that RBG and Scalia were best friends outside the courtroom. Like, he shed actual human tears when her husband died. Makes me think that someday we can find some common ground across the aisle.
well i don't want to condemn the writers of a good series in general, especially when they've got the hard task of writing a complex woman in a stressful situation and a genre that doesn't have many complex female archetypes to draw from
all that plus consistency would be hard for even a single writer
I'm gonna miss Biden's complete knockout debates. Dude was savage. He beat Ryan and Palin like they were petulant children needing a spanking.
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The MCP was a hero because he got an electric frisbee in the mouth. I like people who didn't get an electric frisbee in the mouth.
I'm gonna miss a president that knows good food when he sees/is shown it.
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When he finally exits I will simply say:
Thanks, Obama.
There's no TV or internet or cellphone coverage.
This is literally several episodes of the original series.
I think Tim Caine is the evil twin of Tim Kaine.
He joked about killing the Jonas Brothers like he kills terrorists