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There is a theory about Westworld that has been gaining steam lately, especially after the last episode.
Possible future spoilers if it pans out I guess:
The theory states that William & Logan are not visiting the park at the same time as the Man in Black. They are actually visiting it decades earlier. Some even go as far to say that William is the Man in Black.
Apparently there are two versions of the Westworld logo. One is seen everywhere, while the other is only seen in two places: Ford's flashback that shows the young Anthony Hopkins working on prototypes, and the scene when William first arrives at the park and is getting his outfit and such. This could mean that the rarer logo was the original logo used back in the early years, and the new one is the "modern" one that they switched to. There was also apparently a tweet from someone working on the show that said something about the logo design being important.
Additionally, none of the corporate people that work on the park have been shown interacting with or acknowledging William & Logan (while Ford directly meets with the Man in Black and there have been several instances of personnel commenting on Man in Black--such as that scene where they approve his explosives and such).
Logan also tells William about the death of the original partner and that it sent the park into a financial freefall (sounding like a semi-recent event), and that they are planning on buying it out while it's cheaper to do so. Meanwhile, the Man in Black says that the partner died 35 years ago and almost took the park with him if it wasn't for the Man in Black saving it somehow (perhaps by buying it out?).
It would also explain how Lawrence showed up as two different characters in what appeared to be a relatively short time (plus Man in Black's familiarity with Lawrence if you believe William=MiB). The only other explanations are that they repaired and recast him overnight or that there are multiple Lawrence models.
Delores seems to be the big hang-up, as it implies that she stumbled upon William & Logan after saving herself from the massacre at her ranch (which happened in what is presumed to be the "present" with MiB where Teddy wasn't there because he'd been recast and was off hunting Wyatt). However, this could also be clever editing to make the audience think that was the order of events.
At some point, Teddy is told that he exists to keep Delores from wandering, so that guests can find her if they want to kill Teddy and take his girl. It's also notable that William and Logan have never shared a scene with Teddy, opening up the possibility that he actually may not even exist yet (or is cast in a different part elsewhere) and that he was later on created/recast to keep Delores in her loop as a result of what happens when she leaves with William (up until Ford decides to recast Teddy).
Overall, I don't know if I believe the theory. Having an unnamed character like MiB is going to lead people into looking into who he might be, and that can often get out of hand. There are a lot of coincidences if it's not true though. We're halfway through the season, so you'd think that if the writers weren't intentionally doing it, William & Logan would have interacted with a character (or version of a character in the case of the hosts) from MiB's scenes, if not MiB himself. Instead, only Delores creates some uncertainty and we have things like Lawrence that actually might reinforce it.
On the flipside, it makes it a lot harder to get a hold on Delores' character arc, and it would severely undercut her "No longer a damsel" line if something is going to happen to her to force her back into the damsel role for another few decades.
One major stumbling block in this theory for me is:
That all of the hosts are all advanced and life-like as heck in the William/Logan storyline and Logan has said he's been through the park at least once before
according to the MiB and the old cowpoke Ford visits, the old models were not nearly as lifelike as they appear in the William/Logan storyline and are much more primitive and mechanical
That theory is lame and it would be lame if it was true
Delores has flashbacks of the MiB in the barn before she breaks script and escapes to join William. If this is an editing fakeout then it is hugely disrespectful to the audience.
Also I'd have to rewatch to check, but I remember there being an administrator who brings up Delores breaking script and sends people to check it out to see if she's with a guest. I don't remember which admin this was, but if it's one of the standard set that we see elsewhere talking about the MiB then that's another knock against the theory
The whole theory just seems to be a huge reach with the motivation for even looking for that theory is that the MiB is so far unnamed
That theory is lame and it would be lame if it was true
Delores has flashbacks of the MiB in the barn before she breaks script and escapes to join William. If this is an editing fakeout then it is hugely disrespectful to the audience.
Also I'd have to rewatch to check, but I remember there being an administrator who brings up Delores breaking script and sends people to check it out to see if she's with a host. I don't remember which admin this was, but if it's one of the standard set that we see elsewhere talking about the MiB then that's another knock against the theory
Yeah, there's a scene where...oh god what's his name, the Security Director who looks like Matt Damon's cousin is told and he lets her go because he has a soft spot for Dolores
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HacksawJ. Duggan Esq.Wrestler at LawRegistered Userregular
There is a theory about Westworld that has been gaining steam lately, especially after the last episode.
Possible future spoilers if it pans out I guess:
The theory states that William & Logan are not visiting the park at the same time as the Man in Black. They are actually visiting it decades earlier. Some even go as far to say that William is the Man in Black.
Apparently there are two versions of the Westworld logo. One is seen everywhere, while the other is only seen in two places: Ford's flashback that shows the young Anthony Hopkins working on prototypes, and the scene when William first arrives at the park and is getting his outfit and such. This could mean that the rarer logo was the original logo used back in the early years, and the new one is the "modern" one that they switched to. There was also apparently a tweet from someone working on the show that said something about the logo design being important.
Additionally, none of the corporate people that work on the park have been shown interacting with or acknowledging William & Logan (while Ford directly meets with the Man in Black and there have been several instances of personnel commenting on Man in Black--such as that scene where they approve his explosives and such).
Logan also tells William about the death of the original partner and that it sent the park into a financial freefall (sounding like a semi-recent event), and that they are planning on buying it out while it's cheaper to do so. Meanwhile, the Man in Black says that the partner died 35 years ago and almost took the park with him if it wasn't for the Man in Black saving it somehow (perhaps by buying it out?).
It would also explain how Lawrence showed up as two different characters in what appeared to be a relatively short time (plus Man in Black's familiarity with Lawrence if you believe William=MiB). The only other explanations are that they repaired and recast him overnight or that there are multiple Lawrence models.
Delores seems to be the big hang-up, as it implies that she stumbled upon William & Logan after saving herself from the massacre at her ranch (which happened in what is presumed to be the "present" with MiB where Teddy wasn't there because he'd been recast and was off hunting Wyatt). However, this could also be clever editing to make the audience think that was the order of events.
At some point, Teddy is told that he exists to keep Delores from wandering, so that guests can find her if they want to kill Teddy and take his girl. It's also notable that William and Logan have never shared a scene with Teddy, opening up the possibility that he actually may not even exist yet (or is cast in a different part elsewhere) and that he was later on created/recast to keep Delores in her loop as a result of what happens when she leaves with William (up until Ford decides to recast Teddy).
Overall, I don't know if I believe the theory. Having an unnamed character like MiB is going to lead people into looking into who he might be, and that can often get out of hand. There are a lot of coincidences if it's not true though. We're halfway through the season, so you'd think that if the writers weren't intentionally doing it, William & Logan would have interacted with a character (or version of a character in the case of the hosts) from MiB's scenes, if not MiB himself. Instead, only Delores creates some uncertainty and we have things like Lawrence that actually might reinforce it.
On the flipside, it makes it a lot harder to get a hold on Delores' character arc, and it would severely undercut her "No longer a damsel" line if something is going to happen to her to force her back into the damsel role for another few decades.
One major stumbling block in this theory for me is:
That all of the hosts are all advanced and life-like as heck in the William/Logan storyline and Logan has said he's been through the park at least once before
according to the MiB and the old cowpoke Ford visits, the old models were not nearly as lifelike as they appear in the William/Logan storyline and are much more primitive and mechanical
I think the timelines are concurrent because of that: if Billy and Logan were in the park 30ish years before MiB, the hosts would likely be less convincingly lifelike and more noticeably animatronic. The hosts being previously more stiff and robotic in their behavior is a tidbit mentioned by multiple sources across many of the aired episodes, and observed in at least one retired host.
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Theodore Flooseveltproud parent of eight beautiful girls and shalmelodorne (which is currently being ruled by a woman (awesome role model for my daughters)) #dornedadRegistered Userregular
the security director is a HEMSWORTH and you will address him as fucking such, zack
the security director is a HEMSWORTH and you will address him as fucking such, zack
Wait for real
How many goddamn Hemsworths are there
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Theodore Flooseveltproud parent of eight beautiful girls and shalmelodorne (which is currently being ruled by a woman (awesome role model for my daughters)) #dornedadRegistered Userregular
personally i think that's a fun idea because it's really convoluted and almost makes sense in a logical way (but not actually in a storytelling way atm, because just...why) and i'll be glad for it to not be true
the security director is a HEMSWORTH and you will address him as fucking such, zack
god damn! I knew something was familiar about that guy!
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Theodore Flooseveltproud parent of eight beautiful girls and shalmelodorne (which is currently being ruled by a woman (awesome role model for my daughters)) #dornedadRegistered Userregular
the security director is a HEMSWORTH and you will address him as fucking such, zack
Wait for real
How many goddamn Hemsworths are there
there are 3
this one is luke, he is the oldest of the brothers, and i know this because 4 years ago i made an MS paint collage in his honor at work one day because he was still on Australian soaps while his two younger bros had hit it big in the states
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GustavFriend of GoatsSomewhere in the OzarksRegistered Userregular
edited November 2016
Kinda not sure I'm gunna watch this week to week. I'm really trying to give the whole first season a fair shake. But boy oh boy are these episodes kinda just unrelated scenes just kinda happening. Sort of the same problem of GoT as far as just dropping in on stuff with not cohesion. But couple that with the fact that everyone's motivation/backstory is deliberately vague it's harder for me to get my foot in the door.
It's also odd that I drastically enjoy the theme and subtext where finding the actual text kind of badly written? Like the dialogue here (especially outside of the actual park) is really rough. Sort of freshman level stuff of throwing in "fuck" a lot to sound GROWN UP.
But like visually and stylistically it's fantastic, but I need some more story with my plot.
the security director is a HEMSWORTH and you will address him as fucking such, zack
Wait for real
How many goddamn Hemsworths are there
there are 3
this one is luke, he is the oldest of the brothers, and i know this because 4 years ago i made an MS paint collage in his honor at work one day because he was still on Australian soaps while his two younger bros had hit it big in the states
There is a theory about Westworld that has been gaining steam lately, especially after the last episode.
Possible future spoilers if it pans out I guess:
The theory states that William & Logan are not visiting the park at the same time as the Man in Black. They are actually visiting it decades earlier. Some even go as far to say that William is the Man in Black.
Apparently there are two versions of the Westworld logo. One is seen everywhere, while the other is only seen in two places: Ford's flashback that shows the young Anthony Hopkins working on prototypes, and the scene when William first arrives at the park and is getting his outfit and such. This could mean that the rarer logo was the original logo used back in the early years, and the new one is the "modern" one that they switched to. There was also apparently a tweet from someone working on the show that said something about the logo design being important.
Additionally, none of the corporate people that work on the park have been shown interacting with or acknowledging William & Logan (while Ford directly meets with the Man in Black and there have been several instances of personnel commenting on Man in Black--such as that scene where they approve his explosives and such).
Logan also tells William about the death of the original partner and that it sent the park into a financial freefall (sounding like a semi-recent event), and that they are planning on buying it out while it's cheaper to do so. Meanwhile, the Man in Black says that the partner died 35 years ago and almost took the park with him if it wasn't for the Man in Black saving it somehow (perhaps by buying it out?).
It would also explain how Lawrence showed up as two different characters in what appeared to be a relatively short time (plus Man in Black's familiarity with Lawrence if you believe William=MiB). The only other explanations are that they repaired and recast him overnight or that there are multiple Lawrence models.
Delores seems to be the big hang-up, as it implies that she stumbled upon William & Logan after saving herself from the massacre at her ranch (which happened in what is presumed to be the "present" with MiB where Teddy wasn't there because he'd been recast and was off hunting Wyatt). However, this could also be clever editing to make the audience think that was the order of events.
At some point, Teddy is told that he exists to keep Delores from wandering, so that guests can find her if they want to kill Teddy and take his girl. It's also notable that William and Logan have never shared a scene with Teddy, opening up the possibility that he actually may not even exist yet (or is cast in a different part elsewhere) and that he was later on created/recast to keep Delores in her loop as a result of what happens when she leaves with William (up until Ford decides to recast Teddy).
Overall, I don't know if I believe the theory. Having an unnamed character like MiB is going to lead people into looking into who he might be, and that can often get out of hand. There are a lot of coincidences if it's not true though. We're halfway through the season, so you'd think that if the writers weren't intentionally doing it, William & Logan would have interacted with a character (or version of a character in the case of the hosts) from MiB's scenes, if not MiB himself. Instead, only Delores creates some uncertainty and we have things like Lawrence that actually might reinforce it.
On the flipside, it makes it a lot harder to get a hold on Delores' character arc, and it would severely undercut her "No longer a damsel" line if something is going to happen to her to force her back into the damsel role for another few decades.
Well on that last point
What if Delores "Woke Up" and became self aware and not a damsel, but they "fixed" her and put in Teddy and she is somehow remembering it now, so were sort of seeing her flash backs
One major stumbling block in this theory for me is:
That all of the hosts are all advanced and life-like as heck in the William/Logan storyline and Logan has said he's been through the park at least once before
according to the MiB and the old cowpoke Ford visits, the old models were not nearly as lifelike as they appear in the William/Logan storyline and are much more primitive and mechanical
In the most recent episode, MiB mentions that he opened up a host during one of his early (first?) visits, and they were mechanical inside but that the modern ones are organic. So far, a host hasn't been opened up when William is around. The old cowpoke also shows that they at least looked human on the outside way back then.
Additionally, even though they appear normal to the audience, Logan seems fairly adept at telling who is a host and who isn't, and even William has noticed on a few occasions.
I would say that for the theory to work the park needs to have been open for at least a few years after the death of Arnold, so maybe something like Arnold died 35 years ago and William & Logan visit 30 years ago (with Logan having previously visited even earlier). Though that would mean the park was in financial freefall for 5 years (though that's better than the 35 years it would be if their story was concurrent with MiB's).
As for the old cowpoke himself, we don't know if he's from when the park was open or from those early years where it was just Ford and Arnold working on things before it opened. Alternatively, he could be like that due to his age (and not having all his parts swapped out like Delores did) causing him to be a lot more run down now a days.
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GustavFriend of GoatsSomewhere in the OzarksRegistered Userregular
edited November 2016
At my Halloween get away we talked about how there are just countless Hemsworths made in a factory. Each to be relegated to a different genre. So we have Superhero Hemsworth, Sci-Fi/Western Hemsworth, and YA Dystopia Hemsworth so far.
It says a lot when I actually like it MORE when they're talking boilerplate philosophy
Yeah. So bad that a cast of this pedigree is having one HELL of a time with it.
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Theodore Flooseveltproud parent of eight beautiful girls and shalmelodorne (which is currently being ruled by a woman (awesome role model for my daughters)) #dornedadRegistered Userregular
the security director is a HEMSWORTH and you will address him as fucking such, zack
Wait for real
How many goddamn Hemsworths are there
there are 3
this one is luke, he is the oldest of the brothers, and i know this because 4 years ago i made an MS paint collage in his honor at work one day because he was still on Australian soaps while his two younger bros had hit it big in the states
Kinda not sure I'm gunna watch this week to week. I'm really trying to give the whole first season a fair shake. But boy oh boy are these episodes kinda just unrelated scenes just kinda happening. Sort of the same problem of GoT as far as just dropping in on stuff with not cohesion. But couple that with the fact that everyone's motivation/backstory is deliberately vague it's harder for me to get my foot in the door.
It's also odd that I drastically enjoy the theme and subtext where finding the actual text kind of badly written? Like the dialogue here (especially outside of the actual park) is really rough. Sort of freshman level stuff of throwing in "fuck" a lot to sound GROWN UP.
But like visually and stylistically it's fantastic, but I need some more story with my plot.
yeah i was pretty closely aligned with you up til the most recent ep, which did a good little bit to pull me back in. It didn't necessarily do anything about the dialogue or the fact that too many of the characters are bland blobs of nice costuming in my mind
but during last ep i just started seeing ed harris not as a "mysterious sadistic badass" but as a huge fucking nerd who loves his super LARP and it did something for my enjoyment of the show
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GustavFriend of GoatsSomewhere in the OzarksRegistered Userregular
the security director is a HEMSWORTH and you will address him as fucking such, zack
Wait for real
How many goddamn Hemsworths are there
there are 3
this one is luke, he is the oldest of the brothers, and i know this because 4 years ago i made an MS paint collage in his honor at work one day because he was still on Australian soaps while his two younger bros had hit it big in the states
Kinda not sure I'm gunna watch this week to week. I'm really trying to give the whole first season a fair shake. But boy oh boy are these episodes kinda just unrelated scenes just kinda happening. Sort of the same problem of GoT as far as just dropping in on stuff with not cohesion. But couple that with the fact that everyone's motivation/backstory is deliberately vague it's harder for me to get my foot in the door.
It's also odd that I drastically enjoy the theme and subtext where finding the actual text kind of badly written? Like the dialogue here (especially outside of the actual park) is really rough. Sort of freshman level stuff of throwing in "fuck" a lot to sound GROWN UP.
But like visually and stylistically it's fantastic, but I need some more story with my plot.
yeah i was pretty closely aligned with you up til the most recent ep, which did a good little bit to pull me back in. It didn't necessarily do anything about the dialogue or the fact that too many of the characters are bland blobs of nice costuming in my mind
but during last ep i just started seeing ed harris not as a "mysterious sadistic badass" but as a huge fucking nerd who loves his super LARP and it did something for my enjoyment of the show
Basically if there's an actual reason for stuff to be so mysterious I might still be on board. But if it's just holding the cards for TWISTS AND SURPRISES and general obfuscation I'm out.
Even if some of the theories floating around ARE true it should be more of a structural sleight of hand and not need the characters to all be Dogen from the Temple in Lost.
Yeah it is some Nolan-ass dialogue but I enjoy it a bunch
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JacobkoshGamble a stamp.I can show you how to be a real man!Moderatormod
What the dialogue is doing is this modern Western thing of being this flowery, discursive, epistolary style of speech, the sort of thing where gap-toothed bandit goes "welcome to mah unprepossessin' abode". I personally kind of find that contrast delightful and I enjoy people playing with arch, theatrical dialogue in general.
But this thing where it turns up a lot in modern Westerns is really interesting to me as a phenomenon because I feel like it's a relatively recent development. You see it in, like, Deadwood and Open Range and Unforgiven but not in, like, 50s Westerns, where characters talked basically like 50s people ("Gee, dad Pa, why can't I go to the malt shop general store?") or spaghetti Westerns, where they barely spoke at all.
So what is the origin of it? I'm sure Cormac McCarthy and Larry McMurtry's books probably have something to do with it, because God knows how many future screenwriters read those things, but I personally kind of like the idea that Ken Burns' The Civil War maybe popularized it, or got audiences used to the idea that this is what "old-timey" sounds like.
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Lord DaveGrief CauserBitch Free ZoneRegistered Userregular
There is a theory about Westworld that has been gaining steam lately, especially after the last episode.
Possible future spoilers if it pans out I guess:
The theory states that William & Logan are not visiting the park at the same time as the Man in Black. They are actually visiting it decades earlier. Some even go as far to say that William is the Man in Black.
Apparently there are two versions of the Westworld logo. One is seen everywhere, while the other is only seen in two places: Ford's flashback that shows the young Anthony Hopkins working on prototypes, and the scene when William first arrives at the park and is getting his outfit and such. This could mean that the rarer logo was the original logo used back in the early years, and the new one is the "modern" one that they switched to. There was also apparently a tweet from someone working on the show that said something about the logo design being important.
Additionally, none of the corporate people that work on the park have been shown interacting with or acknowledging William & Logan (while Ford directly meets with the Man in Black and there have been several instances of personnel commenting on Man in Black--such as that scene where they approve his explosives and such).
Logan also tells William about the death of the original partner and that it sent the park into a financial freefall (sounding like a semi-recent event), and that they are planning on buying it out while it's cheaper to do so. Meanwhile, the Man in Black says that the partner died 35 years ago and almost took the park with him if it wasn't for the Man in Black saving it somehow (perhaps by buying it out?).
It would also explain how Lawrence showed up as two different characters in what appeared to be a relatively short time (plus Man in Black's familiarity with Lawrence if you believe William=MiB). The only other explanations are that they repaired and recast him overnight or that there are multiple Lawrence models.
Delores seems to be the big hang-up, as it implies that she stumbled upon William & Logan after saving herself from the massacre at her ranch (which happened in what is presumed to be the "present" with MiB where Teddy wasn't there because he'd been recast and was off hunting Wyatt). However, this could also be clever editing to make the audience think that was the order of events.
At some point, Teddy is told that he exists to keep Delores from wandering, so that guests can find her if they want to kill Teddy and take his girl. It's also notable that William and Logan have never shared a scene with Teddy, opening up the possibility that he actually may not even exist yet (or is cast in a different part elsewhere) and that he was later on created/recast to keep Delores in her loop as a result of what happens when she leaves with William (up until Ford decides to recast Teddy).
Overall, I don't know if I believe the theory. Having an unnamed character like MiB is going to lead people into looking into who he might be, and that can often get out of hand. There are a lot of coincidences if it's not true though. We're halfway through the season, so you'd think that if the writers weren't intentionally doing it, William & Logan would have interacted with a character (or version of a character in the case of the hosts) from MiB's scenes, if not MiB himself. Instead, only Delores creates some uncertainty and we have things like Lawrence that actually might reinforce it.
On the flipside, it makes it a lot harder to get a hold on Delores' character arc, and it would severely undercut her "No longer a damsel" line if something is going to happen to her to force her back into the damsel role for another few decades.
Well on that last point
What if Delores "Woke Up" and became self aware and not a damsel, but they "fixed" her and put in Teddy and she is somehow remembering it now, so were sort of seeing her flash backs
Person of Interest was the story of an advanced AI slowly reaching sentience, and having to teach itself its own history over and over because it wasn't supposed to remember.
In one of the final episodes it lost the ability to keep track of time and was experiencing all the history it knew concurrently.
So...
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GustavFriend of GoatsSomewhere in the OzarksRegistered Userregular
I think Logan is probably one of the most human and believable characters on the show. I mean, he's an unrepentant bag of shit, but that's pretty believable for the kind of rich corporate asshole who would go to this park and do this shit.
The way he talks and acts is 100% natural for basically anyone who has every played multiplayer GTA or Red Dead Redemption
There is a theory about Westworld that has been gaining steam lately, especially after the last episode.
Possible future spoilers if it pans out I guess:
The theory states that William & Logan are not visiting the park at the same time as the Man in Black. They are actually visiting it decades earlier. Some even go as far to say that William is the Man in Black.
Apparently there are two versions of the Westworld logo. One is seen everywhere, while the other is only seen in two places: Ford's flashback that shows the young Anthony Hopkins working on prototypes, and the scene when William first arrives at the park and is getting his outfit and such. This could mean that the rarer logo was the original logo used back in the early years, and the new one is the "modern" one that they switched to. There was also apparently a tweet from someone working on the show that said something about the logo design being important.
Additionally, none of the corporate people that work on the park have been shown interacting with or acknowledging William & Logan (while Ford directly meets with the Man in Black and there have been several instances of personnel commenting on Man in Black--such as that scene where they approve his explosives and such).
Logan also tells William about the death of the original partner and that it sent the park into a financial freefall (sounding like a semi-recent event), and that they are planning on buying it out while it's cheaper to do so. Meanwhile, the Man in Black says that the partner died 35 years ago and almost took the park with him if it wasn't for the Man in Black saving it somehow (perhaps by buying it out?).
It would also explain how Lawrence showed up as two different characters in what appeared to be a relatively short time (plus Man in Black's familiarity with Lawrence if you believe William=MiB). The only other explanations are that they repaired and recast him overnight or that there are multiple Lawrence models.
Delores seems to be the big hang-up, as it implies that she stumbled upon William & Logan after saving herself from the massacre at her ranch (which happened in what is presumed to be the "present" with MiB where Teddy wasn't there because he'd been recast and was off hunting Wyatt). However, this could also be clever editing to make the audience think that was the order of events.
At some point, Teddy is told that he exists to keep Delores from wandering, so that guests can find her if they want to kill Teddy and take his girl. It's also notable that William and Logan have never shared a scene with Teddy, opening up the possibility that he actually may not even exist yet (or is cast in a different part elsewhere) and that he was later on created/recast to keep Delores in her loop as a result of what happens when she leaves with William (up until Ford decides to recast Teddy).
Overall, I don't know if I believe the theory. Having an unnamed character like MiB is going to lead people into looking into who he might be, and that can often get out of hand. There are a lot of coincidences if it's not true though. We're halfway through the season, so you'd think that if the writers weren't intentionally doing it, William & Logan would have interacted with a character (or version of a character in the case of the hosts) from MiB's scenes, if not MiB himself. Instead, only Delores creates some uncertainty and we have things like Lawrence that actually might reinforce it.
On the flipside, it makes it a lot harder to get a hold on Delores' character arc, and it would severely undercut her "No longer a damsel" line if something is going to happen to her to force her back into the damsel role for another few decades.
Well on that last point
What if Delores "Woke Up" and became self aware and not a damsel, but they "fixed" her and put in Teddy and she is somehow remembering it now, so were sort of seeing her flash backs
Person of Interest was the story of an advanced AI slowly reaching sentience, and having to teach itself its own history over and over because it wasn't supposed to remember.
In one of the final episodes it lost the ability to keep track of time and was experiencing all the history it knew concurrently.
So...
Man I really liked Person of Interest. If this show does AI and consciousness even better, it's gonna be a treat
*as much as any Stephen Malkmus song is about anything
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BigPointyTeethrun away! run away!MinnesotaRegistered Userregular
I think my favorite thing so far with the MiB is that he's been plowing through everything in his search, but when he came across content he hadn't seen
the jail breakout
he played along, had fun with it, made a spectacle of it instead of taking the easy, shoot everyone, path
I think my favorite thing so far with the MiB is that he's been plowing through everything in his search, but when he came across content he hadn't seen
the jail breakout
he played along, had fun with it, made a spectacle of it instead of taking the easy, shoot everyone, path
When he heard
Armistice
telling her back story he listened and played along instead of mashing skip cutscene as fast possible
I was rewatching episode 2 with that theory in mind and I'd definitely consider it far more plausible now. A lot of the narrative beats, particularly at scene transitions, kinda fit in that regard.
I'd be fine either way as long as they keep it interesting.
Like, the robots gaining sentience stuff and Ford wanting to be God is sort of cool, just give me more Wild West LARP with the Man in Black please, like that's the genuine good stuff of this show for me.
"Go down, kick ass, and set yourselves up as gods, that's our Prime Directive!"
Hail Hydra
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JacobkoshGamble a stamp.I can show you how to be a real man!Moderatormod
I really like the glimpses we get of the game of Westworld: Teddy and Dolores, Lawrence, Armitage, Wyatt and so forth. Even knowing that it's not "real", which is to say, it's one order of magnitude less real than the events of the show in general, the rhythms of storytelling - the slow drip of information, the escalation of stakes, the revelation of character - manages to be interesting in its own right. I was still surprised and excited to learn that Lawrence betrayed the Confederados, for instance, even though none of that "matters." I'm interested that I had that reaction and I wonder if it says something about the degree to which we're keyed to accept narrative and view the world through that light.
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according to the MiB and the old cowpoke Ford visits, the old models were not nearly as lifelike as they appear in the William/Logan storyline and are much more primitive and mechanical
Also I'd have to rewatch to check, but I remember there being an administrator who brings up Delores breaking script and sends people to check it out to see if she's with a guest. I don't remember which admin this was, but if it's one of the standard set that we see elsewhere talking about the MiB then that's another knock against the theory
The whole theory just seems to be a huge reach with the motivation for even looking for that theory is that the MiB is so far unnamed
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How many goddamn Hemsworths are there
god damn! I knew something was familiar about that guy!
there are 3
this one is luke, he is the oldest of the brothers, and i know this because 4 years ago i made an MS paint collage in his honor at work one day because he was still on Australian soaps while his two younger bros had hit it big in the states
It's also odd that I drastically enjoy the theme and subtext where finding the actual text kind of badly written? Like the dialogue here (especially outside of the actual park) is really rough. Sort of freshman level stuff of throwing in "fuck" a lot to sound GROWN UP.
But like visually and stylistically it's fantastic, but I need some more story with my plot.
Well on that last point
Additionally, even though they appear normal to the audience, Logan seems fairly adept at telling who is a host and who isn't, and even William has noticed on a few occasions.
I would say that for the theory to work the park needs to have been open for at least a few years after the death of Arnold, so maybe something like Arnold died 35 years ago and William & Logan visit 30 years ago (with Logan having previously visited even earlier). Though that would mean the park was in financial freefall for 5 years (though that's better than the 35 years it would be if their story was concurrent with MiB's).
As for the old cowpoke himself, we don't know if he's from when the park was open or from those early years where it was just Ford and Arnold working on things before it opened. Alternatively, he could be like that due to his age (and not having all his parts swapped out like Delores did) causing him to be a lot more run down now a days.
I'm holding out for Art House Hemsworth.
And theres just an organic exoskeleton chasing them.
It says a lot when I actually like it MORE when they're talking boilerplate philosophy
Yeah. So bad that a cast of this pedigree is having one HELL of a time with it.
it said "Look out world! I'm Luke"
yeah i was pretty closely aligned with you up til the most recent ep, which did a good little bit to pull me back in. It didn't necessarily do anything about the dialogue or the fact that too many of the characters are bland blobs of nice costuming in my mind
but during last ep i just started seeing ed harris not as a "mysterious sadistic badass" but as a huge fucking nerd who loves his super LARP and it did something for my enjoyment of the show
Basically if there's an actual reason for stuff to be so mysterious I might still be on board. But if it's just holding the cards for TWISTS AND SURPRISES and general obfuscation I'm out.
Even if some of the theories floating around ARE true it should be more of a structural sleight of hand and not need the characters to all be Dogen from the Temple in Lost.
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But this thing where it turns up a lot in modern Westerns is really interesting to me as a phenomenon because I feel like it's a relatively recent development. You see it in, like, Deadwood and Open Range and Unforgiven but not in, like, 50s Westerns, where characters talked basically like 50s people ("Gee, dad Pa, why can't I go to the malt shop general store?") or spaghetti Westerns, where they barely spoke at all.
So what is the origin of it? I'm sure Cormac McCarthy and Larry McMurtry's books probably have something to do with it, because God knows how many future screenwriters read those things, but I personally kind of like the idea that Ken Burns' The Civil War maybe popularized it, or got audiences used to the idea that this is what "old-timey" sounds like.
In one of the final episodes it lost the ability to keep track of time and was experiencing all the history it knew concurrently.
So...
Honestly it all reads a lot more like Jonathan Hickman comic than a Nolan joint.
The dialogue in Nolan films broadcast what the characters are saying VERY loudly. Almost to a fault (though I'm a huge mark for Nolan)
The dialogue here is more continual foreshadowing and hinting. It doesn't say much, but alludes to a lot.
I just need faith it's actually alluding to something.
Anthony Hopkins, Jeffrey Wright, Jimmi Simpson, and Ed Harris are fine
I do not like when any of the other "modern" people are talking
Like the bro-y repairman in this recent episode or the banter between the lady tech and The Hemsworth a few weeks ago, it's the worst
They are unbelievably bad at casual conversation dialogue, bad enough that the show should be banned from using the word "fuck" forever
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The way he talks and acts is 100% natural for basically anyone who has every played multiplayer GTA or Red Dead Redemption
Don't know why
It should be hitting all the right buttons for me
Man I really liked Person of Interest. If this show does AI and consciousness even better, it's gonna be a treat
I just learned that this Stephen Malkmus song I've very much enjoyed for years is about* Yul Brenner in the original movie
*as much as any Stephen Malkmus song is about anything
When he heard
telling her back story he listened and played along instead of mashing skip cutscene as fast possible
I'd be fine either way as long as they keep it interesting.