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  • Ninja Snarl PNinja Snarl P My helmet is my burden. Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered User regular
    As far as the door goes
    it's not concrete and I very much doubt the showrunners will ever give a concrete "this is what happens when you go through the door", as it would seem to me to violate the whole point of leaving the result uncertain. The door is just a story tool or device, not the point or the destination.

    The only definite things seems to be that, in the act of a Good Person walking through the door, they impart some amount of their own Good on the living world. Obviously this is in keeping with the show's theme of "helping each other helps everyone", but I think the showrunners would say that ideas about transcending to a higher plane, total dissolution, reincarnation, or any of dozens of potential ideas would be equally valid because the point of the ending is not to say "this is what will happen to you when you die", but that helping each other helps the world.

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    For all we know, what happens for one person when they go through the door is not what happens to any other.

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  • klemmingklemming Registered User regular
    It at least implies some awareness or guidance on the part of the person who went through the door.
    I doubt it was a pure billions to one chance that she just happened to inspire that guy to give Michael something he'd always wanted; a crappy rewards card.

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  • mxmarksmxmarks Registered User regular
    My only complaint is I REALLY wanted to see fire squid.

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  • DrezDrez Registered User regular
    edited February 5
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    If we're talking best season finales, Scrubs should be up there, as long we don't count the extra season (which I enjoyed).

    Scrubs was 8 seasons exactly, no more and no less.

    8.

    Scrubs was 163 seasons long based on how many times I've rewatched certain seasons repeatedly and watched the entire series over and over and over.

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  • honoverehonovere Registered User regular
    The internet is at its worst again it seems, judging by all the stuff going on before and after Jameela Jamil coming out as queer.

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  • MorganVMorganV Registered User regular
    honovere wrote: »
    The internet is at its worst again it seems, judging by all the stuff going on before and after Jameela Jamil coming out as queer.

    Also proof that equality for LGBTI, like sexism and racism, still has a long fucking way to go.

    Just don't understand people that feel the need to attack people for who they are. I'm not saying you need to not feel the way you do*, but keep that hate to yourself.
    * Though I think some self-reflection of WHY you feel that way can make you not feel that way so much. Is how I came around on LGBTI acceptance.

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  • SyphonBlueSyphonBlue Registered User regular
    MorganV wrote: »
    honovere wrote: »
    The internet is at its worst again it seems, judging by all the stuff going on before and after Jameela Jamil coming out as queer.

    Also proof that equality for LGBTI, like sexism and racism, still has a long fucking way to go.

    Just don't understand people that feel the need to attack people for who they are. I'm not saying you need to not feel the way you do*, but keep that hate to yourself.
    * Though I think some self-reflection of WHY you feel that way can make you not feel that way so much. Is how I came around on LGBTI acceptance.

    Well she's also brown so this is a nice double whammy for them

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  • MorganVMorganV Registered User regular
    SyphonBlue wrote: »
    MorganV wrote: »
    honovere wrote: »
    The internet is at its worst again it seems, judging by all the stuff going on before and after Jameela Jamil coming out as queer.

    Also proof that equality for LGBTI, like sexism and racism, still has a long fucking way to go.

    Just don't understand people that feel the need to attack people for who they are. I'm not saying you need to not feel the way you do*, but keep that hate to yourself.
    * Though I think some self-reflection of WHY you feel that way can make you not feel that way so much. Is how I came around on LGBTI acceptance.

    Well she's also brown so this is a nice double whammy for them

    And a woman (obviously), an activist (anti body shaming), and a foreigner, so they dipshit brigade (US division) hit the quintuple there.

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  • honoverehonovere Registered User regular
    edited February 7
    And at the same time she's also getting hit with not being queer enough and coming out to late to co-host a show about vogueing, as far as I know from the last article I read about the whole affair.

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  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    honovere wrote: »
    And at the same time she's also getting hit with not being queer enough and coming out to late to co-host a show about vogueing, as far as I know from the last article I read about the whole affair.

    I think this all started when an article implied she was THE host instead of a co-host, the vogueing community (apparently there is one) got pissed, she tried to smooth things over, and, well.

    I can almost kinda sorta vaguely understand the complaints, but Jameela had the best of intentions the entire time. Especially since she never painted herself as THE host.

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  • MorganVMorganV Registered User regular
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    honovere wrote: »
    And at the same time she's also getting hit with not being queer enough and coming out to late to co-host a show about vogueing, as far as I know from the last article I read about the whole affair.

    I think this all started when an article implied she was THE host instead of a co-host, the vogueing community (apparently there is one) got pissed, she tried to smooth things over, and, well.

    I can almost kinda sorta vaguely understand the complaints, but Jameela had the best of intentions the entire time. Especially since she never painted herself as THE host.

    I'm probably gonna regret this, but what the heck is this? I did a google, and I'm only seeing references to the Madonna thing from 30 years ago. Has the word been co-opted for something else more serious, or is this just as venial and stupid as it sounds?

  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    edited February 7
    MorganV wrote: »
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    honovere wrote: »
    And at the same time she's also getting hit with not being queer enough and coming out to late to co-host a show about vogueing, as far as I know from the last article I read about the whole affair.

    I think this all started when an article implied she was THE host instead of a co-host, the vogueing community (apparently there is one) got pissed, she tried to smooth things over, and, well.

    I can almost kinda sorta vaguely understand the complaints, but Jameela had the best of intentions the entire time. Especially since she never painted herself as THE host.

    I'm probably gonna regret this, but what the heck is this? I did a google, and I'm only seeing references to the Madonna thing from 30 years ago. Has the word been co-opted for something else more serious, or is this just as venial and stupid as it sounds?

    Caveat: this is coming from a straight white dude. But from what I can piece together, it's essentially campy, queer-friendly dance competitions inspired by that song. Some people make it a big part of their identities -- kind of like professional cosplayers. The other two judges on the show are professional voguers. I think it's the queer-friendly (or maybe entirely queer, see caveat) part that has people feeling protective.

    Edit: better description below.

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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    MorganV wrote: »
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    honovere wrote: »
    And at the same time she's also getting hit with not being queer enough and coming out to late to co-host a show about vogueing, as far as I know from the last article I read about the whole affair.

    I think this all started when an article implied she was THE host instead of a co-host, the vogueing community (apparently there is one) got pissed, she tried to smooth things over, and, well.

    I can almost kinda sorta vaguely understand the complaints, but Jameela had the best of intentions the entire time. Especially since she never painted herself as THE host.

    I'm probably gonna regret this, but what the heck is this? I did a google, and I'm only seeing references to the Madonna thing from 30 years ago. Has the word been co-opted for something else more serious, or is this just as venial and stupid as it sounds?

    Madonna coopted it

    Its a dance and show style that was big in the gay and drag communities in the 80s and 90s.

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  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu PIGEON IndiaRegistered User regular
    MorganV wrote: »
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    honovere wrote: »
    And at the same time she's also getting hit with not being queer enough and coming out to late to co-host a show about vogueing, as far as I know from the last article I read about the whole affair.

    I think this all started when an article implied she was THE host instead of a co-host, the vogueing community (apparently there is one) got pissed, she tried to smooth things over, and, well.

    I can almost kinda sorta vaguely understand the complaints, but Jameela had the best of intentions the entire time. Especially since she never painted herself as THE host.

    I'm probably gonna regret this, but what the heck is this? I did a google, and I'm only seeing references to the Madonna thing from 30 years ago. Has the word been co-opted for something else more serious, or is this just as venial and stupid as it sounds?
    It is not "venial and stupid," it is a marginalized subculture of people who are rightly frustrated when it is coopted by corporate interests who hire more approachable people who have nothing to do with the subculture in order to turn it into something profitable.

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  • minor incidentminor incident Helen Keller to the bullshit Registered User regular
    edited February 8
    MorganV wrote: »
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    honovere wrote: »
    And at the same time she's also getting hit with not being queer enough and coming out to late to co-host a show about vogueing, as far as I know from the last article I read about the whole affair.

    I think this all started when an article implied she was THE host instead of a co-host, the vogueing community (apparently there is one) got pissed, she tried to smooth things over, and, well.

    I can almost kinda sorta vaguely understand the complaints, but Jameela had the best of intentions the entire time. Especially since she never painted herself as THE host.

    I'm probably gonna regret this, but what the heck is this? I did a google, and I'm only seeing references to the Madonna thing from 30 years ago. Has the word been co-opted for something else more serious, or is this just as venial and stupid as it sounds?
    It is not "venial and stupid," it is a marginalized subculture of people who are rightly frustrated when it is coopted by corporate interests who hire more approachable people who have nothing to do with the subculture in order to turn it into something profitable.

    Venial and stupid is not a cool description, no. It's definitely an important thing to a lot of people.

    BUT, reality competition shows having at least one judge who isn't ultra into the topic at hand, especially when they're more well known and can draw an audience, is totally normal. See: Amy Poehler on Making It, etc.

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  • WACriminalWACriminal Dying Is Easy, Young Man Living Is HarderRegistered User regular
    Yeah, with a show like that, you want at least one person who's not familiar with it, so that you have someone you can explain things to so that the uninitiated members of your audience 1) understand what's going on, but 2) don't feel like they're being directly taught the things they're learning, because nobody likes going to class in their downtime.

    Jameela Jamil is just about one of the best people you could get for that specific role, if that's how they're planning to use her.

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  • King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
    I eagerly await the Jojo pose show

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  • MorganVMorganV Registered User regular
    edited February 8
    MorganV wrote: »
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    honovere wrote: »
    And at the same time she's also getting hit with not being queer enough and coming out to late to co-host a show about vogueing, as far as I know from the last article I read about the whole affair.

    I think this all started when an article implied she was THE host instead of a co-host, the vogueing community (apparently there is one) got pissed, she tried to smooth things over, and, well.

    I can almost kinda sorta vaguely understand the complaints, but Jameela had the best of intentions the entire time. Especially since she never painted herself as THE host.

    I'm probably gonna regret this, but what the heck is this? I did a google, and I'm only seeing references to the Madonna thing from 30 years ago. Has the word been co-opted for something else more serious, or is this just as venial and stupid as it sounds?
    It is not "venial and stupid," it is a marginalized subculture of people who are rightly frustrated when it is coopted by corporate interests who hire more approachable people who have nothing to do with the subculture in order to turn it into something profitable.

    I apologize for my word choice, and as should be clear wasn't aware that this was co-opted by Madonna back then, nor was it a part of an already marginalized group.

    When I made the post, and again, with no context despite Google searching and finding nothing, my initial thought was that it was just Madonna fans (with no specific minority identity) getting pissy and harrassing Jameela because she hasn't been a fan for 30 years. That would have been venial and stupid, because for rabid fans (of pretty much every stripe) that attack and harass someone because they're not QUITE as big a fan or looking into the subject for the first time (I'd assume Jameela had at least some interest in the topic if she was signing up for the show), that description is pretty apt.

    Consider me educated on the issue.

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  • honoverehonovere Registered User regular
    There's a whole show on Netflix about that subculture. Saw only a single ep yet, but supposedly it's pretty good.

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  • surrealitychecksurrealitycheck lonely, but not unloved dreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered User regular
    edited February 8
    voguing / waacking are both styles that originate in lgbt scenes albeit on different coasts that have sort of escaped into the dance ether at this point

    you have almost post-waacking emerging at this point as it is hybridised and processed into other dance styles (you can see this transition even within individual dancers!)

    eg elements of both and others in this



    not sure how strongly the ownership claim can be made but all sort of orthogonal. vogue dance competitions are kind of great tho if u ever have a bit of time to kill

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  • Disco11Disco11 Registered User regular
    edited February 10
    My favorite part of the last episode was subtle but very rewarding if you have been following character development
    Chidi's main personality trait is his indecisiveness.... When he makes it to the door he hugs Janet and just walks right in and ignores the bench. He's moved past that and is now ready to leave.

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  • Zilla360Zilla360 21st Century. |She/Her| Surreal. Immersive. Earth.Registered User regular
    The wave metaphor works even better if you think of a human being as a gestalt collection of atoms. Position and velocity. Quantum Mechanics.
    A collective wave-function, and upon death, our probability distribution collapses back to a zero-state, finite, solution.

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  • DocshiftyDocshifty Registered User regular
    The best joke is absolutely the Palto joke, cause there is no attention drawn to it. The whopping five seconds it is on screen it isnt even in the focus of the scene, but always off to the side.

  • TofystedethTofystedeth veni, veneri, vamoosi Registered User regular
    As in the "who died and left him in charge of ethics" joke?

    It's real good. Setup and delivery reminds me a lot of one of my favorite Avatar: The Last Airbender moments.
    "Oh yeah? Well can your science explain why it rains?"
    "Yes ! Yes, it can!

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  • Zilla360Zilla360 21st Century. |She/Her| Surreal. Immersive. Earth.Registered User regular
    edited February 10
    The scientific method, like the wind versus a mountain.

    The mountain representing mistruths, and the unknown. And the wind.. well you get the point. :)

    And eventually, given enough time, the mountain becomes just a hill.

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  • DocshiftyDocshifty Registered User regular
    As in the "who died and left him in charge of ethics" joke?

    It's real good. Setup and delivery reminds me a lot of one of my favorite Avatar: The Last Airbender moments.
    "Oh yeah? Well can your science explain why it rains?"
    "Yes ! Yes, it can!

    No, when Eleanor quits the Sidney group. Chidi is getting class started when he realizes he needs to go talk to her. But he is dead tired from being up all night weighing the ethical ramifications of being friends with the test subjects. Because of this exhaustion, on the white board, he wrote Palto instead of Plato.

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  • Phoenix-DPhoenix-D Registered User regular
    Caught up on this today.

    I would have liked one more episode re: fixing the good place but...wow. That was amazing even if the finale was brutal in the best way possible.

    Two amusing things, one "hmrm" thing.
    Jason. Just...there for who knows how the fuck long. Making the trait chosen to torture him the apex of his existence at the end.

    The calendar.

    Michael was in charge of the Good Place. Michael is gone. The committee is dissolved, but..

  • MorganVMorganV Registered User regular
    Phoenix-D wrote: »
    Caught up on this today.

    I would have liked one more episode re: fixing the good place but...wow. That was amazing even if the finale was brutal in the best way possible.

    Two amusing things, one "hmrm" thing.
    Jason. Just...there for who knows how the fuck long. Making the trait chosen to torture him the apex of his existence at the end.

    The calendar.

    Michael was in charge of the Good Place. Michael is gone. The committee is dissolved, but..
    Chidi making the calendar for Eleanor on his way out, was just the sweetest thing.

    As for who's running things, I think that's the point. The system works without need for control. Which does bring up the "Well, isn't that what fucked up the previous system that lead to the existence of the entire series?". Yup. But I think the architects (including Tahani) having sufficient influence, rather than the feckless weenies that abandoned Michael to it's control, have enough interest in tweaking things as it goes. I would have liked seeing Tahani take on a new apprentice as her final scene, to indicate leadership itself is an ever expanding cycle, rather than something that could stagnate again. But that's my head canon at least.

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  • Phoenix-DPhoenix-D Registered User regular
    Shadowhope wrote: »
    Here’s a crazy thought: I think that eventually, Tahani will be the last human, and eventually the last being from this incarnation of the universe. When the universe closes down and everyone from the other architects to the Janets to Gen herself goes home, as the perfect hostess Tahani will be the one who stacks the chairs, turns off the lights, and locks the door. Tahani will become God.

    She’ll take a day off, and then create a new universe.

    @Shadowhope also this was beautiful and you made my philosopher girlfriend cry happy/sad tears when I related it to her.

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