A newly uncovered video appears to contradict Donald Trump’s claim that he never knew a high-stakes gambler who was banned from New Jersey casinos for alleged ties to organized crime.
The reputed mob figure, Robert LiButti, can be seen standing alongside Trump in the front row of a 1988 “WrestleMania” match in Atlantic City, N.J. LiButti wasn’t there by accident, according to his daughter, Edith Creamer, who also attended the event. “We were his guests,” she told Yahoo News in a text message this week.
Questions arose again about their dealings in July when a new book by Johnston, “The Making of Donald Trump,” charged that the mogul “lavished gifts” on LiButti, while also trying to seduce Creamer, who was married at the time. The mogul’s advances toward Creamer enraged LiButti, who, in Johnston’s account, threatened Trump, saying: “Donald, I’ll f***ing pull your balls from your legs.”
So, Trump'll even go after the daughters of mobsters. Also, LiButti may have a tenuous knowledge of anatomy.
You're assuming that Trump has the anatomy of a human.
Do other countries have the narrative that "revolutions are good, tear it all down and start over, because what comes out of a revolution is always better than what we had before"? Or is that, as I suspect, a particularly stubborn thread of American exceptionalism?
Just because we've gotten fairly lucky, so far?
(and whitewashing of the actual costs and so forth, of course, even if it is "successful")
Spare me. Unless Clinton starts voicing some hesitation about helping the Saudi air force level Yemen to the ground (which, given her relationship with the Saudis and general neoconservative foreign policy, is unlikely) I don't understand how stuff like this can be taken remotely seriously. For all we know Ali is dead or maimed now because of a US-made bomb sold to the Saudis in one of our recent absurdly massive arms deals. Thousands of other Alis are, at any rate.
I can only assume that Clinton wanted a photo-op with a cute Arab girl she "saved."
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Yeah it's far more likely this than humans having complex and sometimes conflicting emotions
Do other countries have the narrative that "revolutions are good, tear it all down and start over, because what comes out of a revolution is always better than what we had before"? Or is that, as I suspect, a particularly stubborn thread of American exceptionalism?
Just because we've gotten fairly lucky, so far?
(and whitewashing of the actual costs and so forth, of course, even if it is "successful")
Spare me. Unless Clinton starts voicing some hesitation about helping the Saudi air force level Yemen to the ground (which, given her relationship with the Saudis and general neoconservative foreign policy, is unlikely) I don't understand how stuff like this can be taken remotely seriously. For all we know Ali is dead or maimed now because of a US-made bomb sold to the Saudis in one of our recent absurdly massive arms deals. Thousands of other Alis are, at any rate.
I can only assume that Clinton wanted a photo-op with a cute Arab girl she "saved."
People are more than whatever one-dimensional caricature you find most sensational.
Do other countries have the narrative that "revolutions are good, tear it all down and start over, because what comes out of a revolution is always better than what we had before"? Or is that, as I suspect, a particularly stubborn thread of American exceptionalism?
Just because we've gotten fairly lucky, so far?
(and whitewashing of the actual costs and so forth, of course, even if it is "successful")
Spare me. Unless Clinton starts voicing some hesitation about helping the Saudi air force level Yemen to the ground (which, given her relationship with the Saudis and general neoconservative foreign policy, is unlikely) I don't understand how stuff like this can be taken remotely seriously. For all we know Ali is dead or maimed now because of a US-made bomb sold to the Saudis in one of our recent absurdly massive arms deals. Thousands of other Alis are, at any rate.
I can only assume that Clinton wanted a photo-op with a cute Arab girl she "saved."
It's not something Americans give a shit about. Knowing the priorities of news in America I'm not surprised that this person found a very important email about a Yemeni person to tweet about with not an ounce of awareness. She probably just didn't think about it.
Yeah it's far more likely this than humans having complex and sometimes conflicting emotions
I'd say so, yeah. But the difficult to resolve question of whether I'm too cynical or those who take such statements at face value are too naive rears its ugly head here.
edit - I suppose it's plausible that Clinton met a Yemeni kid and was genuinely empathetic toward her, while the mass deaths of people she's never seen are just numbers. Is that what you mean by "conflicting emotions"?
Do other countries have the narrative that "revolutions are good, tear it all down and start over, because what comes out of a revolution is always better than what we had before"? Or is that, as I suspect, a particularly stubborn thread of American exceptionalism?
Just because we've gotten fairly lucky, so far?
(and whitewashing of the actual costs and so forth, of course, even if it is "successful")
Spare me. Unless Clinton starts voicing some hesitation about helping the Saudi air force level Yemen to the ground (which, given her relationship with the Saudis and general neoconservative foreign policy, is unlikely) I don't understand how stuff like this can be taken remotely seriously. For all we know Ali is dead or maimed now because of a US-made bomb sold to the Saudis in one of our recent absurdly massive arms deals. Thousands of other Alis are, at any rate.
I can only assume that Clinton wanted a photo-op with a cute Arab girl she "saved."
Look at the date of the Email, it was back in 2009. Before the Arab Spring of 2011 and before the Yemeni Civil war of 2015. The last of which happened after Hillary was out of office. She did however spend most of her time as first Lady, Senator and Statesec pushing for Girls to have access to education.
It was one of her signature issues and one that has been at the forefront of all her campaigns.
The classic line "It takes a village" that she is associated with? The title of her book espousing the importance of education, especially for girls.
Spare you? No, Spare Us.
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Hillary Clinton, the liberal conservative war hawk who won't do anything about war in other countries but wants to save a child so therefore is obviously a hypocrite liar murdering pacifist.
Do you need an avatar for all the bile and vitriol you feel for our government? Don't worry, Hillary Clinton can be that for you.
Hillary Clinton, the liberal conservative war hawk who won't do anything about war in other countries but wants to save a child so therefore is obviously a hypocrite liar murdering pacifist.
Do you need an avatar for all the bile and vitriol you feel for our government? Don't worry, Hillary Clinton can be that for you.
Yeah it's far more likely this than humans having complex and sometimes conflicting emotions
I'd say so, yeah. But the difficult to resolve question of whether I'm too cynical or those who take such statements at face value are too naive rears its ugly head here.
edit - I suppose it's plausible that Clinton met a Yemeni kid and was genuinely empathetic toward her, while the mass deaths of people she's never seen are just numbers. Is that what you mean by "conflicting emotions"?
This is demonstrably an aspect of human psychology, yes.
But also, Clinton has in her power the ability to very easily improve the life of one single girl whose situation she knows in detail and she has met in person, while the geopolitical situation regarding Saudi Arabia and Yemen is vastly more complicated on a massive number of levels. I sincerely doubt that she doesn't care, she just has to face reality like the rest of us.
I'd argue that perhaps it's you who is the naive one.
I feel like there is a giant overcynicism towards Hillary in specific and politicians in general that is showing up in this election. Basically that people fail to understand that there are degrees of badness. Like if someone looked up their potential surgeon's medical boards records and one guy had an infraction for billing services under the wrong insurance code, and another had multiple infractions for failing to monitor anaesthesia properly which led to the death of a patient, and they said 'oh well, both are bad, I guess I will take whoever can see me first'.
Hillary Clinton, the liberal conservative war hawk who won't do anything about war in other countries but wants to save a child so therefore is obviously a hypocrite liar murdering pacifist.
Do you need an avatar for all the bile and vitriol you feel for our government? Don't worry, Hillary Clinton can be that for you.
Are there actually people who call Clinton a pacifist? I've always been confused by the right wing saying stuff like that about Obama, given how many countries we're militarily engaged in, but with Clinton it seems totally absurd; I'm not aware of any war or military action she hasn't supported. I mean she was making the same criticisms of Obama's Syria policy that you'd hear from the likes of Lindsey Graham and John McCain for a while.
Do other countries have the narrative that "revolutions are good, tear it all down and start over, because what comes out of a revolution is always better than what we had before"? Or is that, as I suspect, a particularly stubborn thread of American exceptionalism?
Just because we've gotten fairly lucky, so far?
(and whitewashing of the actual costs and so forth, of course, even if it is "successful")
Spare me. Unless Clinton starts voicing some hesitation about helping the Saudi air force level Yemen to the ground (which, given her relationship with the Saudis and general neoconservative foreign policy, is unlikely) I don't understand how stuff like this can be taken remotely seriously. For all we know Ali is dead or maimed now because of a US-made bomb sold to the Saudis in one of our recent absurdly massive arms deals. Thousands of other Alis are, at any rate.
I can only assume that Clinton wanted a photo-op with a cute Arab girl she "saved."
Look at the date of the Email, it was back in 2009. Before the Arab Spring of 2011 and before the Yemeni Civil war of 2015. The last of which happened after Hillary was out of office. She did however spend most of her time as first Lady, Senator and Statesec pushing for Girls to have access to education.
It was one of her signature issues and one that has been at the forefront of all her campaigns.
The classic line "It takes a village" that she is associated with? The title of her book espousing the importance of education, especially for girls.
Spare you? No, Spare Us.
Her policies are generally very pro-KSA/anti-Iran when it comes to ME policy. I'm aware that she left office prior to the Saudi bombing campaign, but based on her statements since leaving office and her actions while Sec. of State I see no reason to suspect that this has changed.
I don't find the idea that Clinton cares about women's education difficult to believe, I just find the idea that we should praise Clinton for supposedly caring about this one Yemeni girl to be a bit absurd.
The United States is pro-KSA/anti-Iran. One can try to extract some small beneficence in the wake of institutional force. Attempting to do so is praiseworthy.
You're right, Hillary Clinton who has basically had her life's work been focused on both children and the welfare of women around the world, probably doesn't give a shit about that girl. Totally.
She only wrote an email in private asking to see if she could be helped knowing that it would be leaked.
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In a perfect world, we wouldn't be backing either side. But like it or not the KSA are our allies and Iran is not. And as long as Iran keeps sponsoring rebels in Yemen, KSA is going to keep bombing them.
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Unfortunately, D.C. isn't a John Hughes movie where the lead character can take a stand over the school board and change the system overnight. if a politician acts like that they get shown the door or marginalized in whatever way possible.
I feel like there is a giant overcynicism towards Hillary in specific and politicians in general that is showing up in this election. Basically that people fail to understand that there are degrees of badness. Like if someone looked up their potential surgeon's medical boards records and one guy had an infraction for billing services under the wrong insurance code, and another had multiple infractions for failing to monitor anaesthesia properly which led to the death of a patient, and they said 'oh well, both are bad, I guess I will take whoever can see me first'.
As I've said before, I'm voting Clinton because Trump is terrifying and seems reasonably likely to tear our country apart if in power. The phrase "lesser of two evils" comes out of recognition of varying degrees of badness.
But, well, I still think she is terrible. And I am generally cynical when reading or listening to the statements of high ranking state officials; my impression from recent and less-recent history is that they frequently lie and mislead.
It doesn't seem unreasonable to take a request made privately and never publicized at face value. It seems a lot more unreasonable to assume that something private that went totally unmentioned until it was leaked by people hostile to Clinton seven years after the fact was somehow a publicity stunt.
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Most humans lie and mislead. Why, I'm not even a raccoon at all. I'm not even raccoon adjacent. I did steal a mousetrap from a neighbors garage once because I thought it was cool though.
The United States is pro-KSA/anti-Iran. One can try to extract some small beneficence in the wake of institutional force. Attempting to do so is praiseworthy.
One thing I like about the Obama administration is that it attempted some degree of detente with Iran, despite the frothing rage of Saudi Arabia and Israel. The nuclear deal is the most obvious example, but Obama's Syria policy is representative of a less pro-Saudi policy as well - despite the constant haranguing of the KSA, Gulf-funded think tanks, and people like Clinton and McCain, he has refused to enter direct warfare against the Syrian government. We've also seen a large minority of Senate Democrats start voicing objections to the arms transfers, although the GOP, more militaristic Dems, and the Obama administration have opposed them.
I'm aware of the US's general posture in the region; I mean that Clinton is more pro-Israel, pro-Saudi, and anti-Iran than the Obama administration or the left-leaning Democrats.
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The evil ABC tracking poll that nobody likes and smells like wee is back to a 46-tie rather than 47-46 for Trump, so that's nice. I still hold out hope the Clinton campaign has been sitting on some hurt and will really bring that good good for the weekend.
I feel like there is a giant overcynicism towards Hillary in specific and politicians in general that is showing up in this election. Basically that people fail to understand that there are degrees of badness. Like if someone looked up their potential surgeon's medical boards records and one guy had an infraction for billing services under the wrong insurance code, and another had multiple infractions for failing to monitor anaesthesia properly which led to the death of a patient, and they said 'oh well, both are bad, I guess I will take whoever can see me first'.
What there is, I feel, is an inability to recognize other people as humans. Humans which are as flawed and complicated and multilayered as all the rest of us, and deal with the same day-to-day issues and mistakes as we all do.
So when Trump sells them a caricature, they buy it, and they buy the caricature he sells them of Hillary too. Because recognizing people as people and reality as reality is hard. We'd rather believe the option that satisfies our emotional leanings, instead of the truth that the world is wrought with ambiguity and pretty much none of it slips conveniently into our handy categorizations.
Even the image we throw around of Trump is probably far more simplified than the reality. Granted, I'm one of the ones who legitimately believes he probably has a serious undiagnosed personality disorder and being surrounded by enablers his entire life has prevented this from ever being addressed.
I'm not sure how it's hard to understand that Hillary is capable of empathy while also in her official capacity basically wanting to bomb targets (I think we can all agree the CIA has been way too reckless with that) regardless of the collateral damage that entails
If you catch her wanting to deliberately target little girls with drones then you might have something for me
I mean I've suggested we should elect Trump and let shit descend into horrific bedlam to maybe get a better Democratic party out of the ashes of third world America
but I'm an errant lunatic I'm not running for president
and I'm not really ever serious about shit like that
November 11 is in a few days.
Great time to reflect on the human & material costs of 'rising from the ashes' (perhaps while playing something like Valiant Hearts or watching Saving Private Ryan).
This made me go check wiki to see if something happened on November 11 that I should know about
In a perfect world, we wouldn't be backing either side. But like it or not the KSA are our allies and Iran is not. And as long as Iran keeps sponsoring rebels in Yemen, KSA is going to keep bombing them.
Prior to this election I would have agreed, but from what I've learnt about Hilldog I no longer feel that's the case. In a perfect world Hillary wouldn't rate a second mention in this election when her competitors are Donald Trump, Jill Stein and Gary Johnson. Replace those three with reasonable candidates and we're talking.
Someday I hope I can cast my vote for a presidential candidate who doesn't accept as given that America is #1 and thus we have to kill everyone who hates us
I just want to be a normal country that has a less dogmatic view of fucking everything
Most humans lie and mislead. Why, I'm not even a raccoon at all. I'm not even raccoon adjacent. I did steal a mousetrap from a neighbors garage once because I thought it was cool though.
Most people lie and mislead and don't even really do it on purpose. You'd be surprised how often it's the case that when people lie they're lying to themselves just as much as they're lying to anyone else.
I also believe it's the case that the majority of the time when people lie the primary motivator is fear rather than malice or even intent to manipulate for practical purposes.
There's little doubt in my mind that even most of the lying Trump does is out of fear that people will realize he's not who he wants to believe he is. You don't build a personal identity on external signifiers of success without developing a pathological concern for how others view you. That's why he hardly lies strategically at all; he just lies compulsively.
If you are cynical enough to believe that a private email regarding helping a young girl going through an incredibly difficult life was purely for a photo op, I don't think you are ever going to find somebody you truly like when they are put under scrutiny.
Assuming everybody is acting in ultra-calculated bad faith and without any concern for issues they've professed to care about is not a problem with everybody else, it's a problem with your worldview. If you can't have some faith in people, there is no way for any option to be satisfying.
I'm not sure how it's hard to understand that Hillary is capable of empathy while also in her official capacity basically wanting to bomb targets (I think we can all agree the CIA has been way too reckless with that) regardless of the collateral damage that entails
If you catch her wanting to deliberately target little girls with drones then you might have something for me
It is also possible to both be at war, and not like war. Most of these criticisms seem to hang on the implicit understanding that HRC supports war because she enjoys them, or something.
I'm not sure how it's hard to understand that Hillary is capable of empathy while also in her official capacity basically wanting to bomb targets (I think we can all agree the CIA has been way too reckless with that) regardless of the collateral damage that entails
If you catch her wanting to deliberately target little girls with drones then you might have something for me
It is also possible to both be at war, and not like war. Most of these criticisms seem to hang on the implicit understanding that HRC supports war because she enjoys them, or something.
Hillary is a pretty big fan of war given her voting record and time in State
I feel like there is a giant overcynicism towards Hillary in specific and politicians in general that is showing up in this election. Basically that people fail to understand that there are degrees of badness. Like if someone looked up their potential surgeon's medical boards records and one guy had an infraction for billing services under the wrong insurance code, and another had multiple infractions for failing to monitor anaesthesia properly which led to the death of a patient, and they said 'oh well, both are bad, I guess I will take whoever can see me first'.
What there is, I feel, is an inability to recognize other people as humans. Humans which are as flawed and complicated and multilayered as all the rest of us, and deal with the same day-to-day issues and mistakes as we all do.
So when Trump sells them a caricature, they buy it, and they buy the caricature he sells them of Hillary too. Because recognizing people as people and reality as reality is hard. We'd rather believe the option that satisfies our emotional leanings, instead of the truth that the world is wrought with ambiguity and pretty much none of it slips conveniently into our handy categorizations.
Even the image we throw around of Trump is probably far more simplified than the reality. Granted, I'm one of the ones who legitimately believes he probably has a serious undiagnosed personality disorder and being surrounded by enablers his entire life has prevented this from ever being addressed.
I remember seeing various articles quote a recent study on CEOs which concluded that CEOs are much more likely to be sociopaths than the general population. This didn't surprise me at all; the ruthlessness it takes to climb to the top of a brutally competitive corporate ladder is probably much easier to stomach if you have no empathy.
I haven't heard of any similar studies on high ranking government officials, but I'd wager we'd see a similar trend. This is part of why I'm so cynical when they express some heartfelt emotion (Obama's tears over mass shootings are another example; I rolled my eyes while most people here seemed to regard his expression of sadness as sincere).
I think the difference with Trump is that he's really bad at hiding the fact that he's a sociopath.
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I'm not sure how it's hard to understand that Hillary is capable of empathy while also in her official capacity basically wanting to bomb targets (I think we can all agree the CIA has been way too reckless with that) regardless of the collateral damage that entails
If you catch her wanting to deliberately target little girls with drones then you might have something for me
It is also possible to both be at war, and not like war. Most of these criticisms seem to hang on the implicit understanding that HRC supports war because she enjoys them, or something.
Hillary is a pretty big fan of war given her voting record and time in State
can you see how calling someone a fan of war is uncharitable framing?
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I'm not sure how it's hard to understand that Hillary is capable of empathy while also in her official capacity basically wanting to bomb targets (I think we can all agree the CIA has been way too reckless with that) regardless of the collateral damage that entails
If you catch her wanting to deliberately target little girls with drones then you might have something for me
It is also possible to both be at war, and not like war. Most of these criticisms seem to hang on the implicit understanding that HRC supports war because she enjoys them, or something.
Hillary is a pretty big fan of war given her voting record and time in State
can you see how calling someone a fan of war is uncharitable framing?
I'm not sure how it's hard to understand that Hillary is capable of empathy while also in her official capacity basically wanting to bomb targets (I think we can all agree the CIA has been way too reckless with that) regardless of the collateral damage that entails
If you catch her wanting to deliberately target little girls with drones then you might have something for me
It is also possible to both be at war, and not like war. Most of these criticisms seem to hang on the implicit understanding that HRC supports war because she enjoys them, or something.
Probably not because she personally enjoys reading articles about people dying, but possibly because she is part of a political/economic establishment that regards such wars as serving their interests for various reasons.
I'm not sure how it's hard to understand that Hillary is capable of empathy while also in her official capacity basically wanting to bomb targets (I think we can all agree the CIA has been way too reckless with that) regardless of the collateral damage that entails
If you catch her wanting to deliberately target little girls with drones then you might have something for me
It is also possible to both be at war, and not like war. Most of these criticisms seem to hang on the implicit understanding that HRC supports war because she enjoys them, or something.
Hillary is a pretty big fan of war given her voting record and time in State
can you see how calling someone a fan of war is uncharitable framing?
Do we have an obligation to be charitable?
For somebody who is complaining about how Hillary must be acting in bad faith by privately helping children, it would be hypocritical to casually discard acting in good faith with your own posts.
I feel like there is a giant overcynicism towards Hillary in specific and politicians in general that is showing up in this election. Basically that people fail to understand that there are degrees of badness. Like if someone looked up their potential surgeon's medical boards records and one guy had an infraction for billing services under the wrong insurance code, and another had multiple infractions for failing to monitor anaesthesia properly which led to the death of a patient, and they said 'oh well, both are bad, I guess I will take whoever can see me first'.
What there is, I feel, is an inability to recognize other people as humans. Humans which are as flawed and complicated and multilayered as all the rest of us, and deal with the same day-to-day issues and mistakes as we all do.
So when Trump sells them a caricature, they buy it, and they buy the caricature he sells them of Hillary too. Because recognizing people as people and reality as reality is hard. We'd rather believe the option that satisfies our emotional leanings, instead of the truth that the world is wrought with ambiguity and pretty much none of it slips conveniently into our handy categorizations.
Even the image we throw around of Trump is probably far more simplified than the reality. Granted, I'm one of the ones who legitimately believes he probably has a serious undiagnosed personality disorder and being surrounded by enablers his entire life has prevented this from ever being addressed.
I remember seeing various articles quote a recent study on CEOs which concluded that CEOs are much more likely to be sociopaths than the general population. This didn't surprise me at all; the ruthlessness it takes to climb to the top of a brutally competitive corporate ladder is probably much easier to stomach if you have no empathy.
I haven't heard of any similar studies on high ranking government officials, but I'd wager we'd see a similar trend. This is part of why I'm so cynical when they express some heartfelt emotion (Obama's tears over mass shootings are another example; I rolled my eyes while most people here seemed to regard his expression of sadness as sincere).
I think the difference with Trump is that he's really bad at hiding the fact that he's a sociopath.
I see more sociopathy in this post than in our Presidential candidates; I'm curious as to why you find it difficult to believe that Obama might feel sad over people dying. Didn't you?
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I feel like there is a giant overcynicism towards Hillary in specific and politicians in general that is showing up in this election. Basically that people fail to understand that there are degrees of badness. Like if someone looked up their potential surgeon's medical boards records and one guy had an infraction for billing services under the wrong insurance code, and another had multiple infractions for failing to monitor anaesthesia properly which led to the death of a patient, and they said 'oh well, both are bad, I guess I will take whoever can see me first'.
What there is, I feel, is an inability to recognize other people as humans. Humans which are as flawed and complicated and multilayered as all the rest of us, and deal with the same day-to-day issues and mistakes as we all do.
So when Trump sells them a caricature, they buy it, and they buy the caricature he sells them of Hillary too. Because recognizing people as people and reality as reality is hard. We'd rather believe the option that satisfies our emotional leanings, instead of the truth that the world is wrought with ambiguity and pretty much none of it slips conveniently into our handy categorizations.
Even the image we throw around of Trump is probably far more simplified than the reality. Granted, I'm one of the ones who legitimately believes he probably has a serious undiagnosed personality disorder and being surrounded by enablers his entire life has prevented this from ever being addressed.
I remember seeing various articles quote a recent study on CEOs which concluded that CEOs are much more likely to be sociopaths than the general population. This didn't surprise me at all; the ruthlessness it takes to climb to the top of a brutally competitive corporate ladder is probably much easier to stomach if you have no empathy.
I haven't heard of any similar studies on high ranking government officials, but I'd wager we'd see a similar trend. This is part of why I'm so cynical when they express some heartfelt emotion (Obama's tears over mass shootings are another example; I rolled my eyes while most people here seemed to regard his expression of sadness as sincere).
I think the difference with Trump is that he's really bad at hiding the fact that he's a sociopath.
I see more sociopathy in this post than in our Presidential candidates; I'm curious as to why you find it difficult to believe that Obama might feel sad over people dying. Didn't you?
imagine it is your job to address hundreds of millions of people every time a mass shooting happens, and you have ti do it all the time. Imagine the friends and family of those people looking to you for guidance and hope.
I'd fucking bawl. I am surprised how well he has kept it together through all of this.
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I feel like there is a giant overcynicism towards Hillary in specific and politicians in general that is showing up in this election. Basically that people fail to understand that there are degrees of badness. Like if someone looked up their potential surgeon's medical boards records and one guy had an infraction for billing services under the wrong insurance code, and another had multiple infractions for failing to monitor anaesthesia properly which led to the death of a patient, and they said 'oh well, both are bad, I guess I will take whoever can see me first'.
What there is, I feel, is an inability to recognize other people as humans. Humans which are as flawed and complicated and multilayered as all the rest of us, and deal with the same day-to-day issues and mistakes as we all do.
So when Trump sells them a caricature, they buy it, and they buy the caricature he sells them of Hillary too. Because recognizing people as people and reality as reality is hard. We'd rather believe the option that satisfies our emotional leanings, instead of the truth that the world is wrought with ambiguity and pretty much none of it slips conveniently into our handy categorizations.
Even the image we throw around of Trump is probably far more simplified than the reality. Granted, I'm one of the ones who legitimately believes he probably has a serious undiagnosed personality disorder and being surrounded by enablers his entire life has prevented this from ever being addressed.
I remember seeing various articles quote a recent study on CEOs which concluded that CEOs are much more likely to be sociopaths than the general population. This didn't surprise me at all; the ruthlessness it takes to climb to the top of a brutally competitive corporate ladder is probably much easier to stomach if you have no empathy.
I haven't heard of any similar studies on high ranking government officials, but I'd wager we'd see a similar trend. This is part of why I'm so cynical when they express some heartfelt emotion (Obama's tears over mass shootings are another example; I rolled my eyes while most people here seemed to regard his expression of sadness as sincere).
I think the difference with Trump is that he's really bad at hiding the fact that he's a sociopath.
Dude, as a non-sociopath, I have to ask you to be careful with that edge, I'd hate to see you cut yourself.
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You're assuming that Trump has the anatomy of a human.
I can only assume that Clinton wanted a photo-op with a cute Arab girl she "saved."
People are more than whatever one-dimensional caricature you find most sensational.
It's not something Americans give a shit about. Knowing the priorities of news in America I'm not surprised that this person found a very important email about a Yemeni person to tweet about with not an ounce of awareness. She probably just didn't think about it.
edit - I suppose it's plausible that Clinton met a Yemeni kid and was genuinely empathetic toward her, while the mass deaths of people she's never seen are just numbers. Is that what you mean by "conflicting emotions"?
Look at the date of the Email, it was back in 2009. Before the Arab Spring of 2011 and before the Yemeni Civil war of 2015. The last of which happened after Hillary was out of office. She did however spend most of her time as first Lady, Senator and Statesec pushing for Girls to have access to education.
It was one of her signature issues and one that has been at the forefront of all her campaigns.
The classic line "It takes a village" that she is associated with? The title of her book espousing the importance of education, especially for girls.
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The queen is dead long live the queen
This is demonstrably an aspect of human psychology, yes.
But also, Clinton has in her power the ability to very easily improve the life of one single girl whose situation she knows in detail and she has met in person, while the geopolitical situation regarding Saudi Arabia and Yemen is vastly more complicated on a massive number of levels. I sincerely doubt that she doesn't care, she just has to face reality like the rest of us.
I'd argue that perhaps it's you who is the naive one.
Her policies are generally very pro-KSA/anti-Iran when it comes to ME policy. I'm aware that she left office prior to the Saudi bombing campaign, but based on her statements since leaving office and her actions while Sec. of State I see no reason to suspect that this has changed.
I don't find the idea that Clinton cares about women's education difficult to believe, I just find the idea that we should praise Clinton for supposedly caring about this one Yemeni girl to be a bit absurd.
She only wrote an email in private asking to see if she could be helped knowing that it would be leaked.
-Indiana Solo, runner of blades
But, well, I still think she is terrible. And I am generally cynical when reading or listening to the statements of high ranking state officials; my impression from recent and less-recent history is that they frequently lie and mislead.
I'm aware of the US's general posture in the region; I mean that Clinton is more pro-Israel, pro-Saudi, and anti-Iran than the Obama administration or the left-leaning Democrats.
What there is, I feel, is an inability to recognize other people as humans. Humans which are as flawed and complicated and multilayered as all the rest of us, and deal with the same day-to-day issues and mistakes as we all do.
So when Trump sells them a caricature, they buy it, and they buy the caricature he sells them of Hillary too. Because recognizing people as people and reality as reality is hard. We'd rather believe the option that satisfies our emotional leanings, instead of the truth that the world is wrought with ambiguity and pretty much none of it slips conveniently into our handy categorizations.
Even the image we throw around of Trump is probably far more simplified than the reality. Granted, I'm one of the ones who legitimately believes he probably has a serious undiagnosed personality disorder and being surrounded by enablers his entire life has prevented this from ever being addressed.
If you catch her wanting to deliberately target little girls with drones then you might have something for me
Future alien archeologists are going to be really confused about our priorities
Prior to this election I would have agreed, but from what I've learnt about Hilldog I no longer feel that's the case. In a perfect world Hillary wouldn't rate a second mention in this election when her competitors are Donald Trump, Jill Stein and Gary Johnson. Replace those three with reasonable candidates and we're talking.
I just want to be a normal country that has a less dogmatic view of fucking everything
Hm interesting (also probably better insight by about a million than when Fox News guy went to Chinatown)
Or like Indian American family friends who think Trump is a good idea
Hm
Most people lie and mislead and don't even really do it on purpose. You'd be surprised how often it's the case that when people lie they're lying to themselves just as much as they're lying to anyone else.
I also believe it's the case that the majority of the time when people lie the primary motivator is fear rather than malice or even intent to manipulate for practical purposes.
There's little doubt in my mind that even most of the lying Trump does is out of fear that people will realize he's not who he wants to believe he is. You don't build a personal identity on external signifiers of success without developing a pathological concern for how others view you. That's why he hardly lies strategically at all; he just lies compulsively.
Assuming everybody is acting in ultra-calculated bad faith and without any concern for issues they've professed to care about is not a problem with everybody else, it's a problem with your worldview. If you can't have some faith in people, there is no way for any option to be satisfying.
It is also possible to both be at war, and not like war. Most of these criticisms seem to hang on the implicit understanding that HRC supports war because she enjoys them, or something.
Steam: adamjnet
Hillary is a pretty big fan of war given her voting record and time in State
I haven't heard of any similar studies on high ranking government officials, but I'd wager we'd see a similar trend. This is part of why I'm so cynical when they express some heartfelt emotion (Obama's tears over mass shootings are another example; I rolled my eyes while most people here seemed to regard his expression of sadness as sincere).
I think the difference with Trump is that he's really bad at hiding the fact that he's a sociopath.
can you see how calling someone a fan of war is uncharitable framing?
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
Interesting stuff
(Also gosh how do some of y'all get through life with that level of cynicism
Rust Cohle style)
For somebody who is complaining about how Hillary must be acting in bad faith by privately helping children, it would be hypocritical to casually discard acting in good faith with your own posts.
I see more sociopathy in this post than in our Presidential candidates; I'm curious as to why you find it difficult to believe that Obama might feel sad over people dying. Didn't you?
Steam: adamjnet
imagine it is your job to address hundreds of millions of people every time a mass shooting happens, and you have ti do it all the time. Imagine the friends and family of those people looking to you for guidance and hope.
I'd fucking bawl. I am surprised how well he has kept it together through all of this.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
Dude, as a non-sociopath, I have to ask you to be careful with that edge, I'd hate to see you cut yourself.