I do like Reno Mage, but boy... I have not had a game shorter than 20 minutes.
Honestly half the reason aggro's so prevalent is probably because of how ladder works. If an aggro deck and control deck have similar winrates but one has 5 minute games and one has 20 minute games, you only play control if you really like it.
Oh I know. We need a ladder shakeup badly.
I think something like Duelyst leagues would be good. Once you rank into a league, you can't rank out of it. So you can climb to a certain point and test decks when you like without concern that you're setting yourself back.
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The Escape Goatincorrigible ruminantthey/themRegistered Userregular
I do like Reno Mage, but boy... I have not had a game shorter than 20 minutes.
Honestly half the reason aggro's so prevalent is probably because of how ladder works. If an aggro deck and control deck have similar winrates but one has 5 minute games and one has 20 minute games, you only play control if you really like it.
Oh I know. We need a ladder shakeup badly.
I think something like Duelyst leagues would be good. Once you rank into a league, you can't rank out of it. So you can climb to a certain point and test decks when you like without concern that you're setting yourself back.
(well duelyst also cut their casual mode out for lack of a playerbase so they kinda needed that, I don't think hearthstone really needs it)
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3cl1ps3I will build a labyrinth to house the cheeseRegistered Userregular
They just need to implement a system more akin to MMR and adjust gains so that they're proportional to how long the game took.
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BethrynUnhappiness is MandatoryRegistered Userregular
They need to build a self-analysing system that evaluates the expected value of a deck given its cards, then places you depending on how well you do.
There remains no place to play silly decks in Hearthstone, and this is something that can be fixed.
...and of course, as always, Kill Hitler.
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3cl1ps3I will build a labyrinth to house the cheeseRegistered Userregular
MoM, Soulfiend and Talonpriest completely change the shape of your early game and provide lots of value for your hero power, and Dragonfire Potion is a great board clear.
Do you guys ever get cards so good that you actually feel sad because you know you won't even be able to use all of them? Exhibit A: this poor pirate warrior does not know yet that this game is beyond over for him by turn 3:
frankly fatigue-style control decks are lucky they existed as long as they did in hearthstone
every card game generally regards a control deck whose wincon is "eventually, the other player will lose the game" instead of like, playing a card, to be a mistake
Yeah in Magic those are "Prison" decks, and they are highly reviled.
frankly fatigue-style control decks are lucky they existed as long as they did in hearthstone
every card game generally regards a control deck whose wincon is "eventually, the other player will lose the game" instead of like, playing a card, to be a mistake
Yeah in Magic those are "Prison" decks, and they are highly reviled.
The first time I ever felt hate was when I played against a Mists of Stagnation deck for the first time.
I cannot fucking believe I lost a game because somebody put Noggenfogger in their deck.
I am done with this game.
For a couple hours.
I played against someone who got Noggenfogger onto the field somehow (I think it was from a Paletress inspire?) and holy shit it made it hard for me to deal with his board.
Obviously Noggenfogger doesn't protect you from board wipes or AOE's but he can really fuck up your opponent if they rely on minion combat or targeted removal. He kind of reminds me of Loatheb, except he works against other kinds of effects and costs way too much mana.
frankly fatigue-style control decks are lucky they existed as long as they did in hearthstone
every card game generally regards a control deck whose wincon is "eventually, the other player will lose the game" instead of like, playing a card, to be a mistake
Yeah in Magic those are "Prison" decks, and they are highly reviled.
The first time I ever felt hate was when I played against a Mists of Stagnation deck for the first time.
I used to play Stasis decks, was that like those?
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3cl1ps3I will build a labyrinth to house the cheeseRegistered Userregular
frankly fatigue-style control decks are lucky they existed as long as they did in hearthstone
every card game generally regards a control deck whose wincon is "eventually, the other player will lose the game" instead of like, playing a card, to be a mistake
Yeah in Magic those are "Prison" decks, and they are highly reviled.
The first time I ever felt hate was when I played against a Mists of Stagnation deck for the first time.
I used to play Stasis decks, was that like those?
Not sure. The gist was basically "you don't ever get to do anything ever."
frankly fatigue-style control decks are lucky they existed as long as they did in hearthstone
every card game generally regards a control deck whose wincon is "eventually, the other player will lose the game" instead of like, playing a card, to be a mistake
Yeah in Magic those are "Prison" decks, and they are highly reviled.
The first time I ever felt hate was when I played against a Mists of Stagnation deck for the first time.
I used to play Stasis decks, was that like those?
Not sure. The gist was basically "you don't ever get to do anything ever."
I've yet to test it, so how does Greater Arcane Missiles work with Spell Damage? Is there another 3 damage missile that comes out if you have a Thalnos out? So it'd be 7-mana, 12 damage? That can't be right...
I've yet to test it, so how does Greater Arcane Missiles work with Spell Damage? Is there another 3 damage missile that comes out if you have a Thalnos out? So it'd be 7-mana, 12 damage? That can't be right...
Each missile does 1 more damage for each spellpower. There are always 3 missiles.
I've yet to test it, so how does Greater Arcane Missiles work with Spell Damage? Is there another 3 damage missile that comes out if you have a Thalnos out? So it'd be 7-mana, 12 damage? That can't be right...
Each one does 4 damage, the card is worded weirdly to try to make that clear, but they're physically incapable of clarity even when they're actually trying.
I got Raza and Auctioneer Beardo in packs. Figured I'd give that a go with shadowform/auchenai soulpriest. My goal now is to get coldarra drake from a Kabal Courier at least once before TGT is rotated out.
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GoodKingJayIIIThey wanna get mygold on the ceilingRegistered Userregular
I crafted Dirty Rat to deal with early game aggression and he was fine but I wasn't that impressed. He never pulled anything frightening but I didn't feel like he was that impactful.
I think like Deathlord, Dirty Rat might as well be a priest card.
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AegisFear My DanceOvershot Toronto, Landed in OttawaRegistered Userregular
Dirty Rat looked like he had potential for sniping important battlecry minions from your opponent's hand and stealing them, or killing them.
I still have yet to lose to pirate warrior. I feel like if you mulligan correctly and understand how to use your life as a resource that deck just kinda falls over to taunts + any disruption. (From Jade Druid's perspective)
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The Escape Goatincorrigible ruminantthey/themRegistered Userregular
I crafted Dirty Rat to deal with early game aggression and he was fine but I wasn't that impressed. He never pulled anything frightening but I didn't feel like he was that impactful.
I think like Deathlord, Dirty Rat might as well be a priest card.
deathlord was in control warrior a lot of the time
I still have yet to lose to pirate warrior. I feel like if you mulligan correctly and understand how to use your life as a resource that deck just kinda falls over to taunts + any disruption. (From Jade Druid's perspective)
tempo mage is a funny matchup because they almost never trade so you just set up turns with multiple combo minions and they're frozen
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AegisFear My DanceOvershot Toronto, Landed in OttawaRegistered Userregular
Kibler casts Excavated Evil. His opponent then plays Brann, into Kazakus, into...nothing, Kazakus didn't trigger.
I haven't been happy with fel orc. Northshire is out of favor, so while it's nice to have something to heal, it's not exactly amazing when you aren't drawing cards. And he doesn't have 7 health, that's a lie. He's a 3 mana 3/5 that you constantly have to reinvest in. All too often, he's hit for 5 and left to die in your turn.
He's another silence target in the unicorn self silence priest deck. Maybe he works in paladin by croaking on your turn to cheapen that draw spell or the 6/4 drake. A bitter disappointment thus far.
@Roz
What do you think of the new Malygos Druid? The one that uses Aviana, Kun, Alex, Malygos, and Faceless.
It seems very strong against Reno but I don't know how it holds up against more aggressive things. I saw it 6 times Las night but I'm not sure if that was just a fad or not.
Anyone have experience with Lotus Assassin? I've been interested in it since it was first revealed and am debating crafting a set. They seem useful as a surrogate weapon to keep board control without expending life, which is something rogue really needs. 800 dust is nothing to throw around willy nilly, though. That's half a legendary.
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The Escape Goatincorrigible ruminantthey/themRegistered Userregular
Anyone have experience with Lotus Assassin? I've been interested in it since it was first revealed and am debating crafting a set. They seem useful as a surrogate weapon to keep board control without expending life, which is something rogue really needs. 800 dust is nothing to throw around willy nilly, though. That's half a legendary.
from what I've heard it's a really really really good card that just doesn't have a place in any extant deck
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KoopahTroopahThe koopas, the troopas.Philadelphia, PARegistered Userregular
I think both Greater Arcane Missles and Red Spell Worm would be good additions to Tempo Mage if you wanted to swap out for newer cards.
@Roz
What do you think of the new Malygos Druid? The one that uses Aviana, Kun, Alex, Malygos, and Faceless.
It seems very strong against Reno but I don't know how it holds up against more aggressive things. I saw it 6 times Las night but I'm not sure if that was just a fad or not.
@yilias Not sure, lot of pros building it out and testing it right now because if an optimal list can be found it basically destroys mid-late game decks even harder than jade druid.
Personally, I think it's cool, but it also requires too much setup to be the default druid deck long term. I have no idea how that deck beats aggro shaman or zoo, which are two decks that I fully expect to make a massive resurgence by the end of next week. Zoo with blastfire potion in particular is brutal against druid.
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Oh I know. We need a ladder shakeup badly.
I think something like Duelyst leagues would be good. Once you rank into a league, you can't rank out of it. So you can climb to a certain point and test decks when you like without concern that you're setting yourself back.
PSN: Threeve703
(well duelyst also cut their casual mode out for lack of a playerbase so they kinda needed that, I don't think hearthstone really needs it)
There remains no place to play silly decks in Hearthstone, and this is something that can be fixed.
Casual!
I dunno about the american server, but the EU Casual mode is full of try-hards running midrange shaman.
the sad thing is that this is much of the online pokemon community thinks along these lines and readily shit talks you if you do suboptimal stuff
edit: I 100% misread this post (thought it was being sarcastic elitist)
2 Flash Heal
2 Mistress of Mixtures
2 Power Word: Shield
1 Acidic Swamp Ooze
1 Shadow Word: Pain
1 Fel Orc Soulfiend
2 Injured Blademaster
2 Kabal Talonpriest
1 Shadow Word: Death
2 Auchenai Soulpriest
1 Barnes
2 Shifting Shade
2 Azure Drake
1 Excavated Evil
2 Onyx Bishop
1 Cairne Bloodhoof
1 Dragonfire Potion
1 Entomb
1 Justicar Trueheart
1 Sylvanas Windrunner
1 N'Zoth, the Corruptor
MoM, Soulfiend and Talonpriest completely change the shape of your early game and provide lots of value for your hero power, and Dragonfire Potion is a great board clear.
Why?
in the saddest news to ever reach my mill rogue loving hard
if you burn their card daring reporter does not get any buff.
you have no idea how disappointed I was to find that out.
Yeah in Magic those are "Prison" decks, and they are highly reviled.
Still not as disappointing as Beneath the Grounds.
The first time I ever felt hate was when I played against a Mists of Stagnation deck for the first time.
I played against someone who got Noggenfogger onto the field somehow (I think it was from a Paletress inspire?) and holy shit it made it hard for me to deal with his board.
Obviously Noggenfogger doesn't protect you from board wipes or AOE's but he can really fuck up your opponent if they rely on minion combat or targeted removal. He kind of reminds me of Loatheb, except he works against other kinds of effects and costs way too much mana.
I used to play Stasis decks, was that like those?
Not sure. The gist was basically "you don't ever get to do anything ever."
you can hybridize it with kabal lackey and kabal crystal runner
it's probably better than a dedicated secrets deck, tbh
Yeah my farts are better than a dedicated secrets deck that ain't no endorsement
hey man don't sell your farts short, I heard about that Prague incident.
so yep
a world in which i could travel to prague is beautiful enough to suffer any fart
Each missile does 1 more damage for each spellpower. There are always 3 missiles.
I think like Deathlord, Dirty Rat might as well be a priest card.
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[5e] Dural Melairkyn - AC 18 | HP 40 | Melee +5/1d8+3 | Spell +4/DC 12
deathlord was in control warrior a lot of the time
tempo mage is a funny matchup because they almost never trade so you just set up turns with multiple combo minions and they're frozen
Poor guy.
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[5e] Dural Melairkyn - AC 18 | HP 40 | Melee +5/1d8+3 | Spell +4/DC 12
He's another silence target in the unicorn self silence priest deck. Maybe he works in paladin by croaking on your turn to cheapen that draw spell or the 6/4 drake. A bitter disappointment thus far.
What do you think of the new Malygos Druid? The one that uses Aviana, Kun, Alex, Malygos, and Faceless.
It seems very strong against Reno but I don't know how it holds up against more aggressive things. I saw it 6 times Las night but I'm not sure if that was just a fad or not.
from what I've heard it's a really really really good card that just doesn't have a place in any extant deck
@yilias Not sure, lot of pros building it out and testing it right now because if an optimal list can be found it basically destroys mid-late game decks even harder than jade druid.
Personally, I think it's cool, but it also requires too much setup to be the default druid deck long term. I have no idea how that deck beats aggro shaman or zoo, which are two decks that I fully expect to make a massive resurgence by the end of next week. Zoo with blastfire potion in particular is brutal against druid.