The Post Election Thread

Elki

I can hardly keep up with this thread, so don't fill it up with too much nonsense. Just enough. And don't asshole it up.

Phoenix-D

Well that's one way to make the difference more explicit.

syndalis

Well, for one thing, when we eventually lose these threads we cal all just migrate to the alcohol thread, right?

SummaryJudgment

syndalis wrote: »

Well, for one thing, when we eventually lose these threads we cal all just migrate to the alcohol thread, right?

Tried that the night of, woke up with a hangover But The World Refused To Change.

Chanus

SummaryJudgment wrote: »

syndalis wrote: »

Well, for one thing, when we eventually lose these threads we cal all just migrate to the alcohol thread, right?

Tried that the night of, woke up with a hangover But The World Refused To Change.

go deeper

Mortious

Phoenix-D wrote: »

Well that's one way to make the difference more explicit.

You say that now, but once they recycle the other one they'll both have this name.

syndalis

SummaryJudgment wrote: »

syndalis wrote: »

Well, for one thing, when we eventually lose these threads we cal all just migrate to the alcohol thread, right?

Tried that the night of, woke up with a hangover But The World Refused To Change.

maybe try harder next time?

please drink responsibly

OptimusZed

President Barack Obama has little sympathy for President-elect Donald Trump when it comes to the protests against him, and he offered up some advice for his successor: Get used to it.

“I’ve been the subject of protests during the course of my eight years,” Obama said at a joint news conference with German Chancellor Angela Merkel on Thursday. “And I suspect that there’s not a president in our history that hasn’t been subject to these protests. So, I would not advise people who feel strongly or who are concerned about some of the issues that have been raised during the course of the campaign, I wouldn’t advise them to be silent.”

Burnage

I've already lost track of how many campaign promises and platforms that Trump's administration has not only walked back, but stated that they never had.

Trump is truly a President-Elect for the quantum era.

Jazz

OptimusZed wrote: »

President Barack Obama has little sympathy for President-elect Donald Trump when it comes to the protests against him, and he offered up some advice for his successor: Get used to it.

“I’ve been the subject of protests during the course of my eight years,” Obama said at a joint news conference with German Chancellor Angela Merkel on Thursday. “And I suspect that there’s not a president in our history that hasn’t been subject to these protests. So, I would not advise people who feel strongly or who are concerned about some of the issues that have been raised during the course of the campaign, I wouldn’t advise them to be silent.”

Every day, I find something else that's going to make me miss Obama more.

Houn

Can mad people post here, too?

Because I'm feelin' a FIRE right now.

Cantido

New GotV solgan: Use it or Lose It.

No-Quarter

Burnage wrote: »

I've already lost track of how many campaign promises and platforms that Trump's administration has not only walked back, but stated that they never had.

Trump is truly a President-Elect for the quantum era.

But will his base notice?

These were the same people that would have been furious if "establishment RINO" Jeb had won the primary and then lost the election.

Trump is supposed to be the real deal, if he doesn't deliver the purist part of his base is going to be incandescent.

Elki

20 minute Hillary speech from yesterday, I'm not sure if it got linked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQgE_jzIlBY

First post-concession speech. There's a bit of music in this video, for some reason, don't know why.

Cantido

When the Pope visits I fear for Catholics. It should make a nice wedge though.

Stilts

No-Quarter wrote: »

Burnage wrote: »

I've already lost track of how many campaign promises and platforms that Trump's administration has not only walked back, but stated that they never had.

Trump is truly a President-Elect for the quantum era.

But will his base notice?

These were the same people that would have been furious if "establishment RINO" Jeb had won the primary and then lost the election.

Trump is supposed to be the real deal, if he doesn't deliver the purist part of his base is going to be incandescent.

I don't think his base will notice as long as he's able to keep some of the easier promises.

Such as rolling back LGBT protections, enacting racially-motivated immigration restrictions, and making abortions even more ludicrously difficult to obtain. There are plenty of voters who are less interested in economic results and more interested in the "socially conservative" ideas of saving America's moral soul.

SyphonBlue

Just got back from the Frederick County Democratic Party meeting. They had record turnout!

22 people!

Veevee

Stilts wrote: »

No-Quarter wrote: »

Burnage wrote: »

I've already lost track of how many campaign promises and platforms that Trump's administration has not only walked back, but stated that they never had.

Trump is truly a President-Elect for the quantum era.

But will his base notice?

These were the same people that would have been furious if "establishment RINO" Jeb had won the primary and then lost the election.

Trump is supposed to be the real deal, if he doesn't deliver the purist part of his base is going to be incandescent.

I don't think his base will notice as long as he's able to keep some of the easier promises.

Such as rolling back LGBT protections, enacting racially-motivated immigration restrictions, and making abortions even more ludicrously difficult to obtain. There are plenty of voters who are less interested in economic results and more interested in the "socially conservative" ideas of saving America's moral soul.

The GOP has been promising those changes with their fingers crossed for 50 years. If Trump can force them to finally go through with them now that they do have all branches in their control he will be elevated to a living deity within their ranks.

If I'm remembering my circa-2000 History channel correctly, I'm pretty god damn sure Nostradamus has written about this.

moniker

If trends continue, we should be at something like full employment in ~2 years regardless. The main thing he is going to fuck up is in responding to events. Both because he is a mercurial know nothing and because he appears to be staffing up with cranks and yes men. When it comes to things the government can directly influence we are basically playing Russian roulette. And with Russia to boot.

Hacksaw

Sad election fact: a girl canceled a date with me because Trump won.

Another sad election fact: my response was "I totally understand. I, too, am distraught. If you need someone to cry about this with, I'm here for you. I'll be busy blubbering into a bottle of whiskey."

Dunder

moniker wrote: »

If trends continue, we should be at something like full employment in ~2 years regardless. The main thing he is going to fuck up is in responding to events. Both because he is a mercurial know nothing and because he appears to be staffing up with cranks and yes men. When it comes to things the government can directly influence we are basically playing Russian roulette. And with Russia to boot.

Yeah but "full employment" generally doesn't count the people who have dropped out of the workforce (i.e. giving up looking for work). We can have full employment and a shitload of people without work. Which we kind of do, and why unemployment dropping under Obama wasn't a strong selling point.

EDIT: Unless I got my facts wrong and labor participation rates are up to, last thing I heard was that is was at generally low levels.

OptimusZed

If economic conditions did actually cost us the rust belt, I can't imagine those folks who voted on it are going to see a major upswing in the next couple of years from Obama Administration momentum. Either their communities were doing better under Obama or they weren't, two more years isn't going to make that much of a difference on the current trajectory, regardless of what national unemployment numbers look like.

SyphonBlue

Hacksaw wrote: »

Sad election fact: a girl canceled a date with me because Trump won.

Another sad election fact: my response was "I totally understand. I, too, am distraught. If you need someone to cry about this with, I'm here for you. I'll be busy blubbering into a bottle of whiskey."

o_O

Aegis

OptimusZed wrote: »

If economic conditions did actually cost us the rust belt, I can't imagine those folks who voted on it are going to see a major upswing in the next couple of years from Obama Administration momentum. Either their communities were doing better under Obama or they weren't, two more years isn't going to make that much of a difference on the current trajectory, regardless of what national unemployment numbers look like.

Democrats could probably capitalize on something to the effect of "Where are those plants you said were going to be moved back to [insert rust belt state/town here], Donald?" Assuming of course they never do come back, anyway.

OptimusZed

My favorite little viginette from the Trump transition team is the story that they had Christie sign all the transition paperwork and then knifed him, leaving them unable to actually do anything official in terms of transition until they got all that stuff re-signed because to the government, the people on the "team" are officially just a bunch of yahoos and has-beens until that happens again.

This is what running your operation like a business looks like.

themightypuck

Aegis wrote: »

OptimusZed wrote: »

If economic conditions did actually cost us the rust belt, I can't imagine those folks who voted on it are going to see a major upswing in the next couple of years from Obama Administration momentum. Either their communities were doing better under Obama or they weren't, two more years isn't going to make that much of a difference on the current trajectory, regardless of what national unemployment numbers look like.

Democrats could probably capitalize on something to the effect of "Where are those plants you said were going to be moved back to [insert rust belt state/town here], Donald?" Assuming of course they never do come back, anyway.

They won't come back. The question is, is it the material fact of the plants or the feeling they are being "heard". I'm pretty sure heard converges with material reality at some point but is it 2 years or 10 years?

Goumindong

SyphonBlue wrote: »

Hacksaw wrote: »

Sad election fact: a girl canceled a date with me because Trump won.

Another sad election fact: my response was "I totally understand. I, too, am distraught. If you need someone to cry about this with, I'm here for you. I'll be busy blubbering into a bottle of whiskey."

o_O

If you're sad you really may not want to go courting

PantsB

themightypuck wrote: »

Aegis wrote: »

OptimusZed wrote: »

If economic conditions did actually cost us the rust belt, I can't imagine those folks who voted on it are going to see a major upswing in the next couple of years from Obama Administration momentum. Either their communities were doing better under Obama or they weren't, two more years isn't going to make that much of a difference on the current trajectory, regardless of what national unemployment numbers look like.

Democrats could probably capitalize on something to the effect of "Where are those plants you said were going to be moved back to [insert rust belt state/town here], Donald?" Assuming of course they never do come back, anyway.

They won't come back. The question is, is it the material fact of the plants or the feeling they are being "heard". I'm pretty sure heard converges with material reality at some point but is it 2 years or 10 years?

Or is that a completely false reading of why Trump voters supported him.

PantsB

Tim Ryan is in Maddow right now making a pretty explicit argument that to woo white working class voters they have to get rid of identity politics. That's the subtext of much of this argument and Tim Ryan isnt making much an effort at subtlety

He is challenging Pelosi on Leadership.

knitdan

Wooing "white working class" voters is the epitome of "identity politics"

Fucking aaaargh

SyphonBlue

PantsB wrote: »

Tim Ryan is in Maddow right now making a pretty explicit argument that to woo white working class voters they have to get rid of identity politics. That's the subtext of much of this argument and Tim Ryan isnt making much an effort at subtlety

He is challenging Pelosi on Leadership.

Sounds like someone wants a primary challenge

knitdan

I mean, that's basically the "Dems need to throw minorities under the bus to win" position we were afraid party elites would take from the election.

a nu start

PantsB wrote: »

Tim Ryan is in Maddow right now making a pretty explicit argument that to woo white working class voters they have to get rid of identity politics. That's the subtext of much of this argument and Tim Ryan isnt making much an effort at subtlety

He is challenging Pelosi on Leadership.

As a white guy...

Fuck that.

rahkeesh2000

We've seen what Trump has done with identity politics, its a very ugly street once it becomes two-way, I don't think some re-evaluation of it is out of order.

Suriko

knitdan wrote: »

Wooing "white working class" voters is the epitome of "identity politics"

Fucking aaaargh

Read elsewhere:

"It's called identity politics when you're helping minorities. Otherwise, it's just regular politics."

PantsB

knitdan wrote: »

Wooing "white working class" voters is the epitome of "identity politics"

Fucking aaaargh

No white people aren't ethnic duh. They're just regular.

OptimusZed

I don't know that much about Tim Ryan other than that he's that doofy looking guy that sometimes shows up at press conferences.

But I'm sure the fact that he's a white dude from the rust belt has nothing to do with him pushing to mainstream that push within the party. Clearly personal ambition has nothing to do with his conviction that people who look like him from his part of the country are super important to the future of the party.

Hacksaw

SyphonBlue wrote: »

Hacksaw wrote: »

Sad election fact: a girl canceled a date with me because Trump won.

Another sad election fact: my response was "I totally understand. I, too, am distraught. If you need someone to cry about this with, I'm here for you. I'll be busy blubbering into a bottle of whiskey."

o_O

You didn't misread that.

shryke

OptimusZed wrote: »

If economic conditions did actually cost us the rust belt, I can't imagine those folks who voted on it are going to see a major upswing in the next couple of years from Obama Administration momentum. Either their communities were doing better under Obama or they weren't, two more years isn't going to make that much of a difference on the current trajectory, regardless of what national unemployment numbers look like.

Yeah, I was suggesting in the last thread (or the other thread, can't remember which) when talking about towns and such dying do to a changing economy that there may really be little to be done for these people and they may end up swinging wildly back and forth between parties as the one they vote into power doesn't end up helping them to the degree they desire.

Economic conditions there are not, I think, going to improve to the level the people their believe they should and that may well manifest itself as anger at whoever the current person in charge is.

PantsB

Hacksaw wrote: »

SyphonBlue wrote: »

Hacksaw wrote: »

Sad election fact: a girl canceled a date with me because Trump won.

Another sad election fact: my response was "I totally understand. I, too, am distraught. If you need someone to cry about this with, I'm here for you. I'll be busy blubbering into a bottle of whiskey."

o_O

You didn't misread that.

I almost called out of work the next day. Other people at my work did.

Hoz

Concerning identity politics, I think if there are identity specific issues then then there needs to be identity specific politics at some level. The problem is when it turns hostile. When there's videos of people screaming at white males for being white males, that might not be that relevant to or revealing of our system, but it's very easy to convince uneducated white guys that it is.