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The [Movies] Thread: Pre-Summer Blockbuster Blockbuster Season

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  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    Jazz wrote: »
    FroThulhu wrote: »
    I submit to you, that the Robocop remake would've been received significantly more warmly, had it not been a remake.

    Well, I'd say it really wasn't a remake. It was more in the re-imagining end of things. It was just hamstrung by having that title, and as such the weight of expectation that comes with then being unavoidably compared to one of the greatest movies ever made.

    Personally, I thought it ticks all the boxes for a remake. It had all the beats for Robocop's origin, with a few tweaks.

  • BlackDragon480BlackDragon480 Bluster Kerfuffle Master of Windy ImportRegistered User regular
    Jazz wrote: »
    FroThulhu wrote: »
    I submit to you, that the Robocop remake would've been received significantly more warmly, had it not been a remake.

    Well, I'd say it really wasn't a remake. It was more in the re-imagining end of things. It was just hamstrung by having that title, and as such the weight of expectation that comes with then being unavoidably compared to one of the greatest movies ever made.

    Personally, I thought it ticks all the boxes for a remake. It had all the beats for Robocop's origin, with a few tweaks.

    It didn't check the 2 most important boxes:

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  • KingofMadCowsKingofMadCows Registered User regular
    If Robocop 2014 had been willing to fully commit to their premise and really tackle the issue of drone warfare, it would have been received much better.

    Also, the DCEU seems to be basing Cyborg on the 2014 version of Robocop with how they showed him missing like 90% of his body.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Chantry of NightmaresRegistered User regular
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    TexiKen wrote: »
    Independence Day Resurgence (HBO) is not a good action movie, but like San Andreas it's saving grace is shitting on it with other people MST3K fashion.

    From Liam Hemsworth's bad American accent missing the mark with any consonant that has "I" in it (he doesn't have to be American that's what makes no sense!) to the forced bad humor from generic as hell neeeeerd characters (we get two now!), Jayden Smith is bland as fuck terrible leader only surpassed by bland as fuck chinese pilot, it's a movie that doesn't know why it wants to exist. Sela Ward is a crappy president who doesn't play stoic or chew the scenery well enough like Pullman did. Judd Hirsch, poor guy, has no reason to be here other than to let the daughter from White House Dumb get another acting credit, and the aircraft fighting regressed from the original movie. Why does it look so much worse and clearly greenscreened compare to Will Smith and Harry Connick Jr making sweet music with their planes?

    In all these action disaster movies you have to give some time for the audience to care for the characters, yet 40 minutes in you don't care because it's so bog standard and riding too much on memberberries. Highlights are Goldblum and the chick from It Follows who is his daughter and Ubuntu guy, but they have little to work with. And I find it hard to believe that when an alien mining ship lands in Africa, in a failed nation state, the rest of the world wouldn't just push the warlords to the side to research the ship. I get this is a Roland Emmerich movie but fam it's just a stupid plot point that wastes an interesting premise for the post-big ship cleanup. Plus the whole world working together feels so forced this time compared to the original film, less a nature of fighting such an enemy and more because global box office receipts.

    But as mentioned, this is where pissing on the movie becomes fun. Jayden Smith watching his mom die, it was just so unintentionally hilarious and an attempt to wring emotional blood from that acting stone it had no weight at all (why didn't you just fly over to help lift her onto the plane genius?). As was the big alien ship, after taking out the base, essentially teabagging the moon it like some l33t gam3 d3moN. That it tries to become Godzilla '98 2016 in the end and turns into a cat fight is just so......so apt for an Emmerich movie.

    It's just a bad movie that can't even get the cliches right. 3/10 would not bang.

    I had no idea Maika Monroe was in it.

    But yeah, it was easily the worst movie I saw all year. If not all decade.

    You must have been smart/lucky enough to skip Suicide Squad. Because I'm pretty sure I'd watch IDR 4 or 5 times in a row before subjecting myself to Suicide Squad again.

    I liked SS.

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    I would rather commit suicide than rewatch Suicide Squad.

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  • PaladinPaladin Registered User regular
    Movies are picked apart so viciously nowadays with such access to critics that it's hard to like movies in general

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Paladin wrote: »
    Movies are picked apart so viciously nowadays with such access to critics that it's hard to like movies in general

    I just don't listen to reviews anymore, generally. It's why I prefer stuff like Every Frame A Painting. I find it more interesting when people talk about art, and what people are doing than "oh that's shitty", but maybe that's because I like latching on to what is done well or interesting in a piece of art, even if it's "bad". Or even why it doesn't work.

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  • TexiKenTexiKen open the door Registered User regular
    This thread works better than Rotten Tomatoes for me

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  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    edited April 2017
    Paladin wrote: »
    Movies are picked apart so viciously nowadays with such access to critics that it's hard to like movies in general

    You're just noticing it more, fiction has always been picked apart viciously - that's why it's important for artists to have a thick skin.

    edit: I'm including critics in this, too. Many have gotten death threats and the like for having the "wrong opinions" on things, though I'm not sure if this is a new phenomena over the last decade or so. For example, the comic book website CBR shut itself down after proto-GodzillaGeisers went insane on its forums when one of their writers critiqued a cover.

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  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    edited April 2017
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Paladin wrote: »
    Movies are picked apart so viciously nowadays with such access to critics that it's hard to like movies in general

    I just don't listen to reviews anymore, generally. It's why I prefer stuff like Every Frame A Painting. I find it more interesting when people talk about art, and what people are doing than "oh that's shitty", but maybe that's because I like latching on to what is done well or interesting in a piece of art, even if it's "bad". Or even why it doesn't work.

    I've found critics useful as long as you know what you're looking for. When you have critics you can trust who agree with your tastes it makes it a much smoother experience to find movies/tv shows you want to see.

    edit: As well as forums threads like this one.

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Moderator, ClubPA mod
    FroThulhu wrote: »
    I submit to you, that the Robocop remake would've been received significantly more warmly, had it not been a remake.

    This is true of GitS '17, too. It was a pretty film with good action and some interesting ideas that was an entirely enjoyable time if you divorce it from all the baggage attached to it.

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  • DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    Honestly, GitS 2017 is servicible in that it is perfectly entertaining as long as you don't think about it too hard. I waited until it had flopped its opening weekend to watch it with my sister, and she (Korean-American, and a fan of the original) liked it just fine.

    The movie doesn't have glaring flaws, outside the whitewashing and the unfortunate connection to one of the greatest anime titles of all time.
    Yes it is dumb that Cutter puts their one-of-a-kind full-body cyborg in a dangerous police force, and then bitches when that unit gets in a dangerous situation.

    It is indeed silly that one of the most powerful corporations on earth only experiments with one kidnapped street kid at a time, devoting a year or more to each iteration, when they would realistically have dozens of test subjects running concurrently.

    The nude suit was fucking weird. When she had a tanktop on the skin on her shoulders and arms was normal ScarJo. When she was naked she was covered in weird panels. When I saw the promos I assumed that she had a normal naked body like in the original and was just wearing a skintight suit for thermal camouflage. But no, that was her skin, inconsistent from scene to scene.

    Speaking of which, what was the point of the hooker scene? To show that The Major can't feel anything and wishes she was a real girl? They already established that she doesn't feel touch. Okay, it re-enforces the point and her alienation, but you introduce that beautiful, vulnerable character and then just drop her? Was she a love interest in a previous iteration of the script?

    The diving scene ignored the fact that The Major is made out of fucking metal and would not be able to swim like that. In the original she needs a floatational apparatus or she sinks like a stone.

    Why the hell would Cutter take personal control of the tank? Dude has a multibillion dollar PMC behind him. Is he a drone warfare specialist? Just really likes video games? Is it Hanka's habit to just keep a remote control super tank in the lawless zone for rogue cyborg situations?

    I'm not sure how pulling off a hatch destroyed the spider tank at the end; in GitS 1995, she was trying to get into the tank and Batou killed it with a BFG when she failed. This spider tank just has a serious design flaw?

    In the end, it has about the same level of stupid contrivances as a commercial sci-fi and an action thriller put together. If you're just watching it, it's like, okay, each scene flows into the next okay, but you call this shit GitS, I expect some philosophy beyond Pinocchio and some espionage beyond The Bourne Identity.

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  • DanHibikiDanHibiki Registered User regular
    I wonder if all the huge holograms are possible to do. I figure if you point a powerful enough projector out in China it would probably project well in all that pollution.

  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Jazz wrote: »
    FroThulhu wrote: »
    I submit to you, that the Robocop remake would've been received significantly more warmly, had it not been a remake.

    Well, I'd say it really wasn't a remake. It was more in the re-imagining end of things. It was just hamstrung by having that title, and as such the weight of expectation that comes with then being unavoidably compared to one of the greatest movies ever made.

    It was hamstrung by that, sure. But at the end of the day, even divorced from the reboot context, it's still a pretty shitty movie.

    It's got a lot of potential. They take an interesting angle on the basic concept and the first half of the movie has some genuinely good scenes and ideas. But the last half or so of the movie is just REALLY fucking bad and feels completely truncated. It really feels like they ran out of time and money half way through and just threw something together that didn't really deal with the questions raised in the first half and didn't build to any exciting climax and had a shitty final action scene.

    The end of that movie is really bad and really disappointing given how the first half, while not great, certainly has some potential and some smart ideas.

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  • NobeardNobeard North Carolina: Failed StateRegistered User regular
    edited April 2017
    shryke wrote: »
    Jazz wrote: »
    FroThulhu wrote: »
    I submit to you, that the Robocop remake would've been received significantly more warmly, had it not been a remake.

    Well, I'd say it really wasn't a remake. It was more in the re-imagining end of things. It was just hamstrung by having that title, and as such the weight of expectation that comes with then being unavoidably compared to one of the greatest movies ever made.

    It was hamstrung by that, sure. But at the end of the day, even divorced from the reboot context, it's still a pretty shitty movie.

    It's got a lot of potential. They take an interesting angle on the basic concept and the first half of the movie has some genuinely good scenes and ideas. But the last half or so of the movie is just REALLY fucking bad and feels completely truncated. It really feels like they ran out of time and money half way through and just threw something together that didn't really deal with the questions raised in the first half and didn't build to any exciting climax and had a shitty final action scene.

    The end of that movie is really bad and really disappointing given how the first half, while not great, certainly has some potential and some smart ideas.

    I agree except to the degree of shittiness of the second half. I was still entertained.* Maybe it's just me though. Usually I can turn off my brain when a movie gets dumb.

    The biggest exception is Inception. The premise is explained and executed so wrongly that I can't enjoy the action.

    *EDIT: I think it can safely be said that Keaton alone makes the second half worthwhile.

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  • AtomikaAtomika Brought to you by Technicolor™ Registered User regular
    What's up with Inception now?

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Atomika wrote: »
    What's up with Inception now?

    Still awesome.

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  • SixSix Fat Apollo Registered User regular
    I watched most of The Accountant on a flight yesterday. I think it would have been better without the guns. Or
    the predictable plot twist.

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  • AbsoluteZeroAbsoluteZero The new film by Quentin Koopantino Registered User regular
    Logan made me want Hugh Jackman in The Last of Us. I'm skeptical that film will ever get made with anyone, though.

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  • Dark Raven XDark Raven X Laugh hard, run fast, be kindRegistered User regular
    I wouldn't want a Last of Us movie to be an adaptation. Much rather a side story, new characters in the same world. I wish that was the default for vidya movies. :I

    Oh brilliant
  • NobeardNobeard North Carolina: Failed StateRegistered User regular
    edited April 2017
    Inception pops into my head now and again when I think about movies. That movie aggravates me in a way no other movie does. I was psyched to watch it and at every point where it should have been enjoyable it slapped me in the face. Dreams do not work at all like that movie thinks they do. The mechanics of dream sharing seem to be no more than taking sleeping pills and having a Scientology e-meter hooked up to you. What should be interesting or at least mysterious is made to be bland and boring. You can't sculpt dream terrain like that girl does. The hallway would not behave that way. Planting ideas in someone's head is not some impossibly difficult badass stunt, it happens all the time in the real world because our brains are easily tricked.

    I know my visceral reaction is irrational but I'm not concerned. Part of it is that everybody else loves it and I can't stand it. Also, everybody has a "thing" or two that they get hung up on and I guess dreams are mine. There are ideas and concepts that I would love to explore and see what happens but the movie is so goddamned wrong about dreams it makes me mad.

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  • PaladinPaladin Registered User regular
    I really don't get this part of inception
    how does a kick work? Why does anything happening in a dream matter if the kick is dependent on the vestibular system?

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    Nobeard wrote: »
    Inception pops into my head now and again when I think about movies. That movie aggravates me in a way no other movie does. I was psyched to watch it and at every point where it should have been enjoyable it slapped me in the face. Dreams do not work at all like that movie thinks they do. The mechanics of dream sharing seem to be no more than taking sleeping pills and having a Scientology e-meter hooked up to you. What should be interesting or at least mysterious is made to be bland and boring. You can't sculpt dream terrain like that girl does. The hallway would not behave that way. Planting ideas in someone's head is not some impossibly difficult badass stunt, it happens all the time in the real world because our brains are easily tricked.

    I know my visceral reaction is irrational but I'm not concerned. Part of it is that everybody else loves it and I can't stand it. Also, everybody has a "thing" or two that they get hung up on and I guess dreams are mine. There are ideas and concepts that I would love to explore and see what happens but the movie is so goddamned wrong about dreams it makes me mad.
    It's not supposed to be a realistic depiction of what it's like to share dreams, any more than Batman is supposed to be a realistic depiction of what it's like to fight crime. It's a movie.

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  • Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    edited April 2017
    Is it time to bring up Hollywood Hacking again, or television forensics?

    Popular entertainment, with rare exceptions, is / has been / always will be crap at presenting technical subjects accurately, because those subjects are complicated, opaque, and/or boring to non-experts.

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  • jungleroomxjungleroomx And I said, hol up Registered User regular
    Paladin wrote: »
    I really don't get this part of inception
    how does a kick work? Why does anything happening in a dream matter if the kick is dependent on the vestibular system?

    I'm not really sure what you're asking.
    Are you wondering why anything happening in the dream would have any consequence?

  • amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    Paladin wrote: »
    I really don't get this part of inception
    how does a kick work? Why does anything happening in a dream matter if the kick is dependent on the vestibular system?

    I routinely wake up with the same feeling that this device delivers.

    I mean it works. I don't know the science behind it, but it works.


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  • KingofMadCowsKingofMadCows Registered User regular
    edited April 2017
    Is it time to bring up Hollywood Hacking again, or television forensics?

    Popular entertainment, with rare exceptions, is / has been / always will be crap at presenting technical subjects accurately, because those subjects are complicated, opaque, and/or boring to non-experts.

    That's because most people only use 10% of their brains and they already waste a lot of it thinking about sex every 7 seconds.

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Moderator, ClubPA mod
    I wouldn't want a Last of Us movie to be an adaptation. Much rather a side story, new characters in the same world. I wish that was the default for vidya movies. :I

    The world itself isn't all that interesting. I mean, it's a decent enough zombie world, but in practice it wouldn't feel much different than The Walking Dead and I certainly wouldn't go see it based strictly on "... featuring the world of The Last of Us!"

    TLoU works because Joel and Ellie are beautifully realized characters who are in a compelling story. It would be exactly as great if it was in pretty much any random zombie world.

    (The fact that the game mechanics were pretty rad also helped.)

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    Six wrote: »
    I watched most of The Accountant on a flight yesterday. I think it would have been better without the guns. Or
    the predictable plot twist.

    What I didn't like was it seemed the movie wanted us to ignore that
    his brother was a total piece of shit badguy. He's shady himself, but didn't seem to murder old men and ladies. Unless I misunderstood and they were in on it too and the head guy was just cleaning house, no honor among thieves.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Chantry of NightmaresRegistered User regular
    Inception put me to sleep.

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  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    Is it time to bring up Hollywood Hacking again, or television forensics?

    Popular entertainment, with rare exceptions, is / has been / always will be crap at presenting technical subjects accurately, because those subjects are complicated, opaque, and/or boring to non-experts.

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  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    edited April 2017
    Nobeard wrote: »
    Inception pops into my head now and again when I think about movies. That movie aggravates me in a way no other movie does. I was psyched to watch it and at every point where it should have been enjoyable it slapped me in the face. Dreams do not work at all like that movie thinks they do. The mechanics of dream sharing seem to be no more than taking sleeping pills and having a Scientology e-meter hooked up to you. What should be interesting or at least mysterious is made to be bland and boring. You can't sculpt dream terrain like that girl does. The hallway would not behave that way. Planting ideas in someone's head is not some impossibly difficult badass stunt, it happens all the time in the real world because our brains are easily tricked.

    I know my visceral reaction is irrational but I'm not concerned. Part of it is that everybody else loves it and I can't stand it. Also, everybody has a "thing" or two that they get hung up on and I guess dreams are mine. There are ideas and concepts that I would love to explore and see what happens but the movie is so goddamned wrong about dreams it makes me mad.
    It's not supposed to be a realistic depiction of what it's like to share dreams, any more than Batman is supposed to be a realistic depiction of what it's like to fight crime. It's a movie.

    Nolan's is, or at least he made the concept more grounded in realism. Of course it's hand waved away when it's gets convenient, but that's something other Batman adaptions don't do.

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  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    Your Name is a really good film that is only in theaters for like, this weekend and maybe next weekend?

    While the plot starts out feeling like it's just re-treading some well-known cinema concepts, it turns them on their head pretty quickly and ends up being quite poignant and affecting. It's also awe-inspiringly gorgeous - I wouldn't begrudge anyone choosing to see it dubbed simply so that they don't have to look away from the visuals even for a moment.

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  • Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    Is it time to bring up Hollywood Hacking again, or television forensics?

    Popular entertainment, with rare exceptions, is / has been / always will be crap at presenting technical subjects accurately, because those subjects are complicated, opaque, and/or boring to non-experts.

    That's because most people only use 10% of their brains and they already waste a lot of it thinking about sex every 7 seconds.

    Not me, 'cause I'm trying to kill you with it right now.

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  • davidsdurionsdavidsdurions Your Trusty Meatshield Panhandle NebraskaRegistered User regular
    Is it time to bring up Hollywood Hacking again, or television forensics?

    Popular entertainment, with rare exceptions, is / has been / always will be crap at presenting technical subjects accurately, because those subjects are complicated, opaque, and/or boring to non-experts.

    That's because most people only use 10% of their brains and they already waste a lot of it thinking about sex every 7 seconds.

    Not me, 'cause I'm trying to kill you with it right now.

    You are going to find it rather difficult to kill a person with your brain. Might I suggest using your hands, as a starting off point at least?

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  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    Is it time to bring up Hollywood Hacking again, or television forensics?

    Popular entertainment, with rare exceptions, is / has been / always will be crap at presenting technical subjects accurately, because those subjects are complicated, opaque, and/or boring to non-experts.

    That's because most people only use 10% of their brains and they already waste a lot of it thinking about sex every 7 seconds.

    Not me, 'cause I'm trying to kill you with it right now.

    You are going to find it rather difficult to kill a person with your brain. Might I suggest using your hands, as a starting off point at least?

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  • davidsdurionsdavidsdurions Your Trusty Meatshield Panhandle NebraskaRegistered User regular
    Is it time to bring up Hollywood Hacking again, or television forensics?

    Popular entertainment, with rare exceptions, is / has been / always will be crap at presenting technical subjects accurately, because those subjects are complicated, opaque, and/or boring to non-experts.

    That's because most people only use 10% of their brains and they already waste a lot of it thinking about sex every 7 seconds.

    Not me, 'cause I'm trying to kill you with it right now.

    You are going to find it rather difficult to kill a person with your brain. Might I suggest using your hands, as a starting off point at least?


    Linking videos of this just makes me sad all over again!

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    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Your Name is a really good film that is only in theaters for like, this weekend and maybe next weekend?

    While the plot starts out feeling like it's just re-treading some well-known cinema concepts, it turns them on their head pretty quickly and ends up being quite poignant and affecting. It's also awe-inspiringly gorgeous - I wouldn't begrudge anyone choosing to see it dubbed simply so that they don't have to look away from the visuals even for a moment.

    I really hope Your Name actually has more of an extended run... there are no showings where I'm at, and I didn't feel like driving to Houston just to see it.

    I wish theaters in the US had faith in it.

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    Tonight I watched Predators.

    I mean, y'know. Figured I should give it a shot.

    Soooo much wooden, expository dialogue. Like, really. I was like, did they get 13-year old me to write the opening scene? And did I not realize to leave some stuff up to the audience instead of making it come out of a character's face hole?

    I wanted to give Adrien Brody the benefit of the doubt, but he was playing at least three different characters in his role as John Wayne Born Leader, Backstabber, and Conflicted Guy With a Dark Past.

    And then Laurence Fishburne showed up for like ten minutes and out-acted the rest of the entire case, playing the most interesting part and wearing the best outfit of the whole movie. It was like he was moving through dimensions no one else could perceive.

    The funniest thing?

    For all they didn't do in the movie, I really was oddly let down that they didn't try to skin and eat the alien hunting animals. It seemed like a missed opportunity to show humans doing what the Predators are so damn good at.

    Plus, you know. People gotta eat.

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  • KingofMadCowsKingofMadCows Registered User regular
    They tried to cram way too much into Predators.

    They're already establishing that the movie will have multiple Predators, creating a different conflict than the previous films.

    Then they made it so that all the humans are from different parts of the world, which does have a very different and interesting dynamic in the team with a lot more potential for conflict and backstabbing.

    But they're also on a different planet, so they're going to have to deal with an alien environment that none of them knows about.

    Then Laurence Fishburne shows up in the middle of the movie and he's been successfully fighting Predators for years so the team gets some expert help, but nope, he's actually a bad guy who's survived this long by killing and robbing others.

    Then there's another tribe of Predators that's at war with the vanilla Predators and they make an alliance with the vanilla Predator to fight the bigger badder Predator.

    They put so much stuff in the film that they couldn't focus too much on one element. They just have to resolve things fast and then move on to the next plot point.

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