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[Death Stranding] The Reviews are Ambiguous and Confusing! (much like the game)

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    Ninja Snarl PNinja Snarl P My helmet is my burden. Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered User regular
    edited November 2019
    They directly justify the crying earlier in the game, the first time Deadman shows up (I think Fragile mentions it as well). Whatever the chiral stuff is, using it evokes an allergic reaction in humans that causes tears. So things like using chiral holograms or using Q-pid, which is a pile of chiral stuff, causes tearing in humans.

    On a side tangent, all this stuff using "chiral" as a material instead of a trait drives me crazy. For those who don't know or don't remember, chirality is a real thing; molecules of identical composition and structure can orient in different "handedness" which can completely change their effect. For example, the production of the compound that allows airways to expand during an asthma attack produces both a right-handed and left-handed version, which counteract one another; to get the medication to work properly, the version with the wrong chirality has to be filtered out. Our proteins are built to work in a particular handedness as well; flipped proteins can be useless or even detrimental, and the body tries to prevent or destroy them.

    So when they're talking about their chiral whatevers, it's like nails on a chalkboard for me because nobody would use that designation because it's already used as a major part of chemistry. But something either has chirality or it doesn't (you can have symmetrical non-chiral molecules), you can't just... have chirals.

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    They directly justify the crying earlier in the game, the first time Deadman shows up (I think Fragile mentions it as well). Whatever the chiral stuff is, using it evokes an allergic reaction in humans that causes tears. So things like using chiral holograms or using Q-pid, which is a pile of chiral stuff, causes tearing in humans.

    On a side tangent, all this stuff using "chiral" as a material instead of a trait drives me crazy. For those who don't know or don't remember, chirality is a real thing; molecules of identical composition and structure can orient in different "handedness" which can completely change their effect. For example, the production of the compound that allows airways to expand during an asthma attack produces both a right-handed and left-handed version, which counteract one another; to get the medication to work properly, the version with the wrong chirality has to be filtered out. Our proteins are built to work in a particular handedness as well; flipped proteins can be useless or even detrimental, and the body tries to prevent or destroy them.

    So when they're talking about their chiral whatevers, it's like nails on a chalkboard for me because nobody would use that designation because it's already used as a major part of chemistry. But something either has chirality or it doesn't (you can have symmetrical non-chiral molecules), you can't just... have chirals.

    Kojima always uses words he thinks sound cool, but doesn't really understand their context. I understand he keeps a tight grip on the English translation, so I assume it's Kojima Co and not the translators.

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    Ninja Snarl PNinja Snarl P My helmet is my burden. Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered User regular
    edited November 2019
    In the context of the game, it's not terrible word to use; the crap sticks out of the ground as something resembling a hand or hands, and chirality really is derived from the Greek word for "hand".

    But it's already a well-known science term. It would be like deciding to call a new material "temperature" when we already use that term, and then it just sounds dumb when you've got people asking you to go pick up 50 temperatures.

    And in typical Kojima ham-fistedness, the use of the word seems to be based entirely on the superficial resemblance to the stuff that grows out of the ground. If there was at least some kind of relation to the way the word is properly used then it wouldn't be so dumb but no, it seems like he just wanted to steal the word chiral because it's another way to say "hand".

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    milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    To be fair Chiral particles literally sprout hands from the ground so it's an appropriate namesake in that sense

    I ate an engineer
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    SniperGuySniperGuy SniperGuyGaming Registered User regular
    Maybe it's because I binged the thing over three days or so but I didn't find much of the plot predictable. And I think I mostly enjoyed it. Yeah, Kojima isn't exactly subtle with stuff, but I don't think he's really trying to be.

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    The WolfmanThe Wolfman Registered User regular
    They directly justify the crying earlier in the game, the first time Deadman shows up (I think Fragile mentions it as well). Whatever the chiral stuff is, using it evokes an allergic reaction in humans that causes tears. So things like using chiral holograms or using Q-pid, which is a pile of chiral stuff, causes tearing in humans.

    So in other words Kojima knicked this idea from the biological interactions of the Allium cepa.

    Otherwise known as: the common onion.

    "The sausage of Green Earth explodes with flavor like the cannon of culinary delight."
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    Zilla360Zilla360 21st Century. |She/Her| Trans* Woman In Aviators Firing A Bazooka. ⚛️Registered User regular
    Aside from all the 'chiral' nonsense, what really grinds my gears is the references by Higgs to the 'God Particle'. It's not just Kojima, but the fact that that misquote (of Prof. Peter Higgs) has spread so far in popular culture (since 2012) really annoys me.
    It's just one of those things that has taken on a life on it's own as a meme. Religious people seemingly just grabbed it and ran with it. :rotate:

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    Genji-GlovesGenji-Gloves Registered User regular
    Well I finished it. Final lvl 264. Maxed Five star 14 people.

    Saw a couple of the twists well ahead, it’s almost you get more of a sense of what is going on than Sam does even though your playing through the story with him. I am glad I played the game and it’s certainly unique but I don’t think it’s it his strongest work.

    Also fck the
    Run to city with cargo for fragile. Boss encounter after boss encounter. That’s right give me another four inky tigers and then slam a whale down on me.

    I enjoyed the ride still even with the ups and downs.

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    Dark Raven XDark Raven X Laugh hard, run fast, be kindRegistered User regular
    I'm on Chapter 5
    transporting Mama and Higgs shows up with a cool tiger friend.

    Mama told me to run, so I of course printed a blood gun and stood there in the shelter of Mama's lab for a full five minutes to kill that big boi.

    How was that supposed to go? Running seemed highly encouraged but also wildly impractical?

    Oh brilliant
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    Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    I'm on Chapter 5
    transporting Mama and Higgs shows up with a cool tiger friend.

    Mama told me to run, so I of course printed a blood gun and stood there in the shelter of Mama's lab for a full five minutes to kill that big boi.

    How was that supposed to go? Running seemed highly encouraged but also wildly impractical?

    I just
    stood on a slope and threw grenades into its face when it got close, which made it disappear into the ground

    it was a terrible, tedious fight, like all the bosses

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    DemonStaceyDemonStacey TTODewback's Daughter In love with the TaySwayRegistered User regular
    Finished up at probably about 29 hours played. Clock showed 32 but I left it on a few times while eating food and watching shows.

    This was quite an enjoyable game and overall experience.

    So many cool things about how the world changes and evolves over time based on you and other players.

    One negative that I will say is legitimately bad: The vehicle physics. Holy crap are they terrible.

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    SniperGuySniperGuy SniperGuyGaming Registered User regular
    I'm on Chapter 5
    transporting Mama and Higgs shows up with a cool tiger friend.

    Mama told me to run, so I of course printed a blood gun and stood there in the shelter of Mama's lab for a full five minutes to kill that big boi.

    How was that supposed to go? Running seemed highly encouraged but also wildly impractical?

    I did the other thing
    you don't have to run very far. I was actually sort of disappointed, felt like I had skipped a boss fight somehow.

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    cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    I'm on Chapter 5
    transporting Mama and Higgs shows up with a cool tiger friend.

    Mama told me to run, so I of course printed a blood gun and stood there in the shelter of Mama's lab for a full five minutes to kill that big boi.

    How was that supposed to go? Running seemed highly encouraged but also wildly impractical?

    I did the other thing
    you don't have to run very far. I was actually sort of disappointed, felt like I had skipped a boss fight somehow.
    Yeah, eff that. I sent it back to hell.

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    AlphaRomeroAlphaRomero Registered User regular
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    I'm trying to clean up the last few trophies but no deliveries are showing up for the musician so that's taking a while to get to 5 stars. The limit on ziplines is a bit of a burden too, even on the first island. I've managed to link up the Wind Farm, Port Knot, the Musician, Dist. Centre, the Ludens Fan and the incinerator so I can get to most places pretty sharpish which is good. That BT segment getting to port Knot is still a pain. I got fed up after a while waiting for musician orders to show up and moved to South Knot as it said a Zipline was almost ruined. I'd upgrade them but some of the reqs are pretty steep, mainly on chemicals.

    Does anyone know if you have to fabricate every single item for that one trophy? How do I even know what I haven't already fabricated? That's a crap trophy.

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    Genji-GlovesGenji-Gloves Registered User regular
    No idea I imagine that must include any rewards from NPCS have to be fabricated as well.

    Just fabricate and then recycle in batches till you have gone through everything?

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    Zilla360Zilla360 21st Century. |She/Her| Trans* Woman In Aviators Firing A Bazooka. ⚛️Registered User regular
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    Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    There's something specific about the vehicle physics and the way they'll hitch on the ground or a rock, and then suddenly launch forward. There's something screwy with the momentum, for sure. At times, after sticking on something then launching off, I would release the controller and the truck would continue accelerating uphill.

    It's bad with the trike, especially, because it's got such good acceleration.

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    Dark Raven XDark Raven X Laugh hard, run fast, be kindRegistered User regular
    I get crazy problems with the accelerator sticking in the truck. Usually with me awkwardly drifting towards a river.

    Oh brilliant
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    SpawnbrokerSpawnbroker Registered User regular
    Friendship ended with highways.

    Zipline is now my best friend.

    Steam: Spawnbroker
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    SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    Zilla360 wrote: »
    Aside from all the 'chiral' nonsense, what really grinds my gears is the references by Higgs to the 'God Particle'. It's not just Kojima, but the fact that that misquote (of Prof. Peter Higgs) has spread so far in popular culture (since 2012) really annoys me.
    It's just one of those things that has taken on a life on it's own as a meme. Religious people seemingly just grabbed it and ran with it. :rotate:

    Isn't there a whole Dan Brown book about that? Or is it just the film adaptation?

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    SniperGuySniperGuy SniperGuyGaming Registered User regular
    Okay now having had time to ruminate on what happened, I am ready to discuss the ending and the story. So, Ending and full Story spoilers ahoy!

    Ending spoilers!
    So, the basic timeline is this. Bridget is born, and has some sort of medical issue. During this her soul is stuck on the beach, sort of a stop off dimension before the afterlife, while her body remains in the real world, splitting her into two people.

    The Death Stranding occurs, wiping out a lot of society. This happens around the time of Bridget's birth. Or around her getting stuck on the beach, I'm not clear on the timing here. The Death Stranding is a result of the extinction entity, Bridget, entering into the world and bridging the gap between the world of the dead and the living. Those barriers are weakened, causing some people like Fragile to be able to move into them at will, and to cause BTs to move back over to our side. But since they are somewhat made of antimatter, it's a big issue and causes voidouts when they touch regular matter. Timefall is related to this happening thanks to the chiral matter showing up.

    Bridget takes Sam-BB after Madds fails his rescue attempt and raises Sam, who occasionally visits Amelie on the beach. She convinced young Sam that one day he'll have to stop her from doing something terrible, but child-Sam barely remembers this.

    Sam gets work as a porter, meets a wife, but she is killed along with his unborn child in a voidout. Since Sam is a repatriate, he is not killed (or rather, comes back to life), and people blame him, causing him to isolate himself from others. Eventually, the game starts and Sam meets up with Bridget who dies and tells him to reconnect america. Her reasons for doing this are not, as she says, to reconnect people together, but rather to create a large enough chiral connection that the extinction event can happen, wiping out all life on Earth.

    Higgs, I guess because he is a psychopath, is enlisted by Bridget to assist with this plan to wipe out all life on earth. He goes along with this because he likes using his weird death powers and is a psychopath. Once Sam reconnects America, he stops Higgs and realizes that Bridget is the Extinction Entity and goes back to the first city to stop her.

    Once he arrives, he is able to stop Bridget by stopping Amelie through...the power of connections and humanity? By striving so hard against the threat of extinction, he is able to overcome her and stop her from bridging the beaches and the real world, which would result in an antimatter explosion that would wipe out all life on earth. I think when Bridget died, she went to the beach that Amelie is on, and the two of them have different aims, but since Amelie never died, she has a little more control over speaking.

    As an aside to this, we realize that Sam is likely a repatriate because he was at one point a BB, his father is Cliff who died trying to save him and removed him from the BB pod. Lockne/Mama are a side story that shows us that people can be connected in more ways than one. Heartman is an interesting case as he is trying to figure out what is beyond the beaches, I think.

    Die Hardman is a bit weird and I don't really understand his whole deal. He worked in the military under Cliff, who saved him on multiple occasions. So he tries to help Cliff save his kid but it doesn't work out very well and his rage at working for the military and then having his government betray him keeps him on the war beach and Bridget tries to stop Sam by helping Cliff get through to the real world, I think.

    I'm not sure why Deadman is made up of corpse parts. Or why Bridget/Die Hardman wear that weird mask.


    Overall, I think this is the story. Did I miss anything or get anything wrong?

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    AlphaRomeroAlphaRomero Registered User regular
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    Okay now having had time to ruminate on what happened, I am ready to discuss the ending and the story. So, Ending and full Story spoilers ahoy!

    Ending spoilers!
    So, the basic timeline is this. Bridget is born, and has some sort of medical issue. During this her soul is stuck on the beach, sort of a stop off dimension before the afterlife, while her body remains in the real world, splitting her into two people.

    The Death Stranding occurs, wiping out a lot of society. This happens around the time of Bridget's birth. Or around her getting stuck on the beach, I'm not clear on the timing here. The Death Stranding is a result of the extinction entity, Bridget, entering into the world and bridging the gap between the world of the dead and the living. Those barriers are weakened, causing some people like Fragile to be able to move into them at will, and to cause BTs to move back over to our side. But since they are somewhat made of antimatter, it's a big issue and causes voidouts when they touch regular matter. Timefall is related to this happening thanks to the chiral matter showing up.

    Bridget takes Sam-BB after Madds fails his rescue attempt and raises Sam, who occasionally visits Amelie on the beach. She convinced young Sam that one day he'll have to stop her from doing something terrible, but child-Sam barely remembers this.

    Sam gets work as a porter, meets a wife, but she is killed along with his unborn child in a voidout. Since Sam is a repatriate, he is not killed (or rather, comes back to life), and people blame him, causing him to isolate himself from others. Eventually, the game starts and Sam meets up with Bridget who dies and tells him to reconnect america. Her reasons for doing this are not, as she says, to reconnect people together, but rather to create a large enough chiral connection that the extinction event can happen, wiping out all life on Earth.

    Higgs, I guess because he is a psychopath, is enlisted by Bridget to assist with this plan to wipe out all life on earth. He goes along with this because he likes using his weird death powers and is a psychopath. Once Sam reconnects America, he stops Higgs and realizes that Bridget is the Extinction Entity and goes back to the first city to stop her.

    Once he arrives, he is able to stop Bridget by stopping Amelie through...the power of connections and humanity? By striving so hard against the threat of extinction, he is able to overcome her and stop her from bridging the beaches and the real world, which would result in an antimatter explosion that would wipe out all life on earth. I think when Bridget died, she went to the beach that Amelie is on, and the two of them have different aims, but since Amelie never died, she has a little more control over speaking.

    As an aside to this, we realize that Sam is likely a repatriate because he was at one point a BB, his father is Cliff who died trying to save him and removed him from the BB pod. Lockne/Mama are a side story that shows us that people can be connected in more ways than one. Heartman is an interesting case as he is trying to figure out what is beyond the beaches, I think.

    Die Hardman is a bit weird and I don't really understand his whole deal. He worked in the military under Cliff, who saved him on multiple occasions. So he tries to help Cliff save his kid but it doesn't work out very well and his rage at working for the military and then having his government betray him keeps him on the war beach and Bridget tries to stop Sam by helping Cliff get through to the real world, I think.

    I'm not sure why Deadman is made up of corpse parts. Or why Bridget/Die Hardman wear that weird mask.


    Overall, I think this is the story. Did I miss anything or get anything wrong?

    So Bridget and Amelie are completely separate entities made up from a single whole. Bridget dies, Amelie is separately existing on the Beach, which is the only place she can actually exist. When Bridget dies, as far as I'm aware she's just gone, because she was the vessel and Amelie is the soul. Higgs isn't a psychopath, just a nihilist, he believes in Amelie's plan to end existence because whether it is now or 600,000 years from now it will all end and be destroyed so why delay it when it will all be dust anyway?

    Amelie is an Extinction Entity and cannot prevent the extinction, but prevents the antimatter explosion from reaching earth by cutting off her Beach from all the others, leaving her trapped for eternity alone but saving humanity. Amelie wanted Sam to stop her but similarly employed Higgs to aid her because she has to perform her function. How she came into being I don't really know. Bridget/Amelie was always destined to be the Extinction Entity and it makes her sound like Galactus, just a natural force that cannot not abide the rule of nature. It seemed, to me at least, she was using Higgs to push Sam onward, with Higgs unaware. Bridget/Amelie are technically only meant to usher in the 6th extinction but decided to just end it all rather than continue a pointless cycle of death and rebirth.

    Cliff was brought back from the afterlife by Amelie to reunite him with his son, so Cliff is only around because Amelie willed it, he didn't come back on his own.

    The weird mask just seems to be a rank thing.

    The timeline is confusing but I've seen several people online mention that resurrecting Sam as an infant caused the first Death Stranding. Sam isn't a repatriate because Cliff took him out of the BB pod but because Bridget accidentally killed him and then Amelie went and revived his soul on the Beach and returned him to life. There are interviews you can read though that say the first time a BT was witnessed was when a doctor was holding a premature baby and that caused a voidout. I don't know if that was the first Death Stranding but it was before Sam was born because that's how they came up with the idea of Bridge Babies. So the Beach and the BTs existed prior to that at least, if not the full on Stranding.

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    BlackDragon480BlackDragon480 Bluster Kerfuffle Master of Windy ImportRegistered User regular
    Synthesis wrote: »
    Zilla360 wrote: »
    Aside from all the 'chiral' nonsense, what really grinds my gears is the references by Higgs to the 'God Particle'. It's not just Kojima, but the fact that that misquote (of Prof. Peter Higgs) has spread so far in popular culture (since 2012) really annoys me.
    It's just one of those things that has taken on a life on it's own as a meme. Religious people seemingly just grabbed it and ran with it. :rotate:

    Isn't there a whole Dan Brown book about that? Or is it just the film adaptation?

    Kinda, Angels and Demons features a Jesuit scientist working at CERN on matter/anti-matter collisions, but no real mention of Higgs or his magic mass-giving boson.

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    Zilla360Zilla360 21st Century. |She/Her| Trans* Woman In Aviators Firing A Bazooka. ⚛️Registered User regular
    AFAIK Die Hardman wears the mask due to a Timefall injury to his face. That's just my best guess though.
    Synthesis wrote: »
    Zilla360 wrote: »
    Aside from all the 'chiral' nonsense, what really grinds my gears is the references by Higgs to the 'God Particle'. It's not just Kojima, but the fact that that misquote (of Prof. Peter Higgs) has spread so far in popular culture (since 2012) really annoys me.
    It's just one of those things that has taken on a life on it's own as a meme. Religious people seemingly just grabbed it and ran with it. :rotate:

    Isn't there a whole Dan Brown book about that? Or is it just the film adaptation?
    Not exactly. That featured anti-matter as part of the plot. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angels_&_Demons

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    milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    My final verdict on Death Stranding:

    CHVRCHES makes good music

    I ate an engineer
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    Genji-GlovesGenji-Gloves Registered User regular
    edited November 2019
    Haha oh my. Die-hardmans real name is fantastic how did I miss this.
    John Blake McClane

    Genji-Gloves on
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    GSMGSM Registered User regular
    Chapter 4 spoilers
    Did I have a choice about what to do with the nuke? I did exactly what my first inclination was and the story continued. So either that was required or the story split off? How nonlinear is the story? There didn't seem to be any way to avoid fighting the white hair guy in the trenches either. Honestly, I had completely forgotten about the ghostly world war stuff from the trailers, so it was a bit of a trip for the game to take such a hard turn into the (even more) weird. Thinking back I realized I should have tried pressing the touchpad button to see if I could greet him and avoid the fight. I really really really did not enjoy that fight! Dammit Jim, I'm a postman, not a soldier! Following his lava trails was an okay puzzle that sped up the fight once I realized I could pre-unpack the guns so I didn't lose time swapping under fire. And there were far too many invisible walls during the field battle section at the start.

    This game is all over the place.

    We'll get back there someday.
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    cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    GSM wrote: »
    Chapter 4 spoilers
    Did I have a choice about what to do with the nuke? I did exactly what my first inclination was and the story continued. So either that was required or the story split off? How nonlinear is the story? There didn't seem to be any way to avoid fighting the white hair guy in the trenches either. Honestly, I had completely forgotten about the ghostly world war stuff from the trailers, so it was a bit of a trip for the game to take such a hard turn into the (even more) weird. Thinking back I realized I should have tried pressing the touchpad button to see if I could greet him and avoid the fight. I really really really did not enjoy that fight! Dammit Jim, I'm a postman, not a soldier! Following his lava trails was an okay puzzle that sped up the fight once I realized I could pre-unpack the guns so I didn't lose time swapping under fire. And there were far too many invisible walls during the field battle section at the start.

    This game is all over the place.
    Don't dispose of the nuke, it's game over. I didn't know about the lava trails, I just followed the blue lights.

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    Ninja Snarl PNinja Snarl P My helmet is my burden. Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered User regular
    Yeah, I can feel the game solidly coming off the rails at this point, and not in a fun and interesting way.
    Mama just randomly died because I severed her from her death baby, but now her twin sister is taking her place. And apparently I'm supposed to care about any of this, despite having like two cutscenes with Mama at this point and having no fucking clue who her sister Lockne is?

    Oh, and Higgs showed up to sick a big death lion on me. Tossed like three grenades at it while trying to run away, and once I hit the edge of the tar the fight just... stopped.

    Definitely feel my interest waning as character stuff is getting replaced with dumb Kojima stuff. For some insane reason I thought I'd try to get stars from everybody, but I hit this story point with Mama and I'm definitely at "fuck that noise" now. The game has already telegraphed what is going to happen, so there really isn't any point in padding things out.

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    ED!ED! Registered User regular
    Jesus all these finish times: I'm still in Chapter 3 at 22 hours played.

    "Get the hell out of me" - [ex]girlfriend
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    DonnictonDonnicton Registered User regular
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukqZ5VOoK5s

    Dunkey did not like the game. (spoilers)

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    Ninja Snarl PNinja Snarl P My helmet is my burden. Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered User regular
    edited November 2019
    Well, he's not wrong? Death Stranding is a pretty game with mediocre, tedious gameplay that doesn't even work right a lot of the time and features a heavily bloviated, overwrought story.

    It's different, but it's not very good. And it's not even different or unique enough to justify how shallow the gameplay is.

    And I say this from the point of view of somebody who believes this is the best, most coherent work Kojima has put together in ages.

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    Dark Raven XDark Raven X Laugh hard, run fast, be kindRegistered User regular
    And it's the most engaging and relaxing and tense and calming and overall heartening game I've played in years, so eh. I love Dunkey, but it clearly ain't for him and that sucks, but everybody can't like everything.

    It is for me tho! It makes me feel good to play it. That is a rare occurrence!

    Oh brilliant
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    SpawnbrokerSpawnbroker Registered User regular
    And it's the most engaging and relaxing and tense and calming and overall heartening game I've played in years, so eh. I love Dunkey, but it clearly ain't for him and that sucks, but everybody can't like everything.

    It is for me tho! It makes me feel good to play it. That is a rare occurrence!

    I feel like I'm playing a completely different game from everyone who complains about it. I can see why it's incredibly divisive, but even the criticisms leveraged at it don't fully land for me. I'm in chapter 6 and I believe I have over 40 hours in the game and I'm not planning on stopping. It is extremely rare for a single game to keep my attention for that many hours. I can't remember the last time it happened.

    I'm not saying that you can't complain about the game, go ahead! It just doesn't make sense to me when people do. The things people are complaining about are part of the whole package, and I don't even see them as negatives a lot of the time.

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    cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    Unlike V's trailers, so far, I feel like this game actually lives up to their presentation and enhances it. It has some of his best fleshed out world building since Policenauts.

    Speaking of Policenauts, Chapter 8:
    Someone please tell me I can explore that collection of Heartman's.

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    ED!ED! Registered User regular
    Well, he's not wrong? Death Stranding is a pretty game with mediocre, tedious gameplay that doesn't even work right a lot of the time and features a heavily bloviated, overwrought story.

    It's different, but it's not very good. And it's not even different or unique enough to justify how shallow the gameplay is.

    And I say this from the point of view of somebody who believes this is the best, most coherent work Kojima has put together in ages.

    Wildly disagree. I will sit back, completely intending to play the game for maybe 30 minutes or so, and then finding myself on mineral and ceramic runs to add a little more resources to the next road. Or grabbing a stack of Standard Orders to try and pump up the star ratings for a location. . .

    Gameplay isn't for everyone; Minecraft - which keeps popping up in my head while playing this - looks like the most tedious of gameplay loops ever, but I recognize that for a lot of people it clicks.



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    SpawnbrokerSpawnbroker Registered User regular
    edited November 2019
    It also really helps that they keep finding ways to change the formula up. As soon as I get a handle on one type of enemy, the game throws curve balls at me. The game keeps upping the difficulty while also giving me additional tools to deal with that difficulty, even 40 hours in.

    Spawnbroker on
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    GSMGSM Registered User regular
    I take a delivery to "Mountain Knot City", the mission briefing says "this is a delivery over mountainous terrain with fragile cargo that can't be jostled" and the map shows a mountain. So I pack up four ladders and two ropes and head out.

    The path has almost no sheer elevation to it, and it's nothing but bandit camps from start to finish with zero stealth grass and enemy pings with no warning lead time or sound cue for you to counter them. I'm chased the whole way with a pile of useless climbing gear slowing me down. I've never been so betrayed by a mission briefing.

    We'll get back there someday.
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    SniperGuySniperGuy SniperGuyGaming Registered User regular
    Well, he's not wrong? Death Stranding is a pretty game with mediocre, tedious gameplay that doesn't even work right a lot of the time and features a heavily bloviated, overwrought story.

    It's different, but it's not very good. And it's not even different or unique enough to justify how shallow the gameplay is.

    And I say this from the point of view of somebody who believes this is the best, most coherent work Kojima has put together in ages.

    I thought it was a very good game with engaging game play and a mediocre story that isn't nearly as bad or self important as everyone says it is. I didn't find the game play shallow at all!

    I think this game is seriously polarizing. It's well put together, but some people love it and some people hate it. Not a bad product, just very subjective.

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    PhillisherePhillishere Registered User regular
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    Well, he's not wrong? Death Stranding is a pretty game with mediocre, tedious gameplay that doesn't even work right a lot of the time and features a heavily bloviated, overwrought story.

    It's different, but it's not very good. And it's not even different or unique enough to justify how shallow the gameplay is.

    And I say this from the point of view of somebody who believes this is the best, most coherent work Kojima has put together in ages.

    I thought it was a very good game with engaging game play and a mediocre story that isn't nearly as bad or self important as everyone says it is. I didn't find the game play shallow at all!

    I think this game is seriously polarizing. It's well put together, but some people love it and some people hate it. Not a bad product, just very subjective.

    I love the way the game is a chillout game that makes you work to earn the chill moments. First time through is hard, and each time after gets easier as you and others cooperate to build infrastructure. The missions and plot are often incidental to the game itself, which reminds me a lot of MGS V's structure.

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