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  • GoodKingJayIIIGoodKingJayIII Registered User regular
    I think it's going to be really hard for Republicans to blame democrats with credibility when they will control literally every branch of government.

    Like yes, the storm troopers are going to go lock step with whatever ridiculous rhetoric Conservative leadership concocts, but if you think they alone have given the government a mandate then you've ignored a few things.

    1) the zealots didn't put Trump in office. It was a select group of people from a few states that tipped the scales because they were fucking fed up for whatever reason.

    2) 3 million more people voted for Clinton than Trump. There is a very sizable and angry "minority" that is going to hold feet to fire. Some of them have Republican Congresspeople. And if you think public outcry and civil disobedience don't work look, how quickly the House backed down from defunding their ethics committee.

    The first group is not going to give a shit if/when Republicans light everything on fire and then go "but liberals!" They could lose these people as easily as Clinton lost them. The second group will be as loud and public and organized as it wants to be, and assuming liberals can get their shit together over the next 12 months there is an opportunity cut hard into Republican numbers.

    Public pressure is extremely effective, and for all the crowing about a Conservative mandate from the people, it conveniently ignores all the things about which the majority completely disagree with Republicans.

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  • Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    edited January 2017
    They blamed the fuck out of democrats during the first six Bush the Younger years.

    It's probably the only thing they're actually good at.

    EDIT:
    Pretty sure they're already blaming them for Trump's failures.

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  • GoodKingJayIIIGoodKingJayIII Registered User regular
    edited January 2017
    They blamed the fuck out of democrats during the first six Bush the Younger years.

    It's probably the only thing they're actually good at.

    EDIT:
    Pretty sure they're already blaming them for Trump's failures.

    From what I remember about 2004 I would say the democrats failed to cohere and sell a message rather than Republicans just flogging them. Prior to that, EVERYBODY was high on nationalism and "git the turrists." And Dems took Congress in 2006 in much the same Republicans took it in 2010.

    Yeah Conservatives are good at shitting on liberals because they're a fairly unified bloc, but they're not some unassailable group. When people realized everything had gone to shit, they lost power.

    Edit-whoops, misremembered that Rs still had majority until 07. I think the point remains though.

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  • ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited January 2017
    The idea that Trump will blame others for his political failure and therefore doom is pretty unconvincing. Yes, he can say it's the fault of everyone but him. But anytime the country is experiencing pain and people feel it, the president gets the lion's share of the blame no matter who else they try to blame. In the case of Trump the response might even be the rarely proportionate sort.

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  • tbloxhamtbloxham Registered User regular
    They blamed the fuck out of democrats during the first six Bush the Younger years.

    It's probably the only thing they're actually good at.

    EDIT:
    Pretty sure they're already blaming them for Trump's failures.

    From what I remember about 2004 I would say the democrats failed to cohere and sell a message rather than Republicans just flogging them. Prior to that, EVERYBODY was high on nationalism and "git the turrists." And Dems took Congress in 2006 in much the same Republicans took it in 2010.

    Yeah Conservatives are good at shitting on liberals because they're a fairly unified bloc, but they're not some unassailable group. When people realized everything had gone to shit, they lost power.

    And they began losing it as soon as people realized that they couldn't make things better. Which happened very fast. You didn't hear a rousing cry from the heartland of "Everything is awesome, we love bush!" up to September 11th. You rapidly saw his support falling away as people realized he didn't give a goose about them, and wouldn't do anything to help them.

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  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    Of course Republicans are going to blame Democrats.

    We have to make sure that it doesn't stick.

    That's the gig.

    This isn't a world where the assholes are going to stop pretending they're not assholes.

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  • ForarForar #432 Toronto, Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    edited January 2017
    Elki wrote: »
    The idea that Trump will blame others for his political failure and therefore doom is pretty unconvincing. Yes, he can say it's the fault of everyone but him. But anytime the country is experiencing pain and people feel it, the president gets the lion's share of the blame no matter who else they try to blame. In the case of Trump the response might even be the rarely proportionate sort.

    Doubly so when responding to a tragedy or hot button issue with "____ are so mean and unpopular, things were the best for them and now they've blown it up, sad!"

    For a demographic who seem to value (the appearance of) strength so highly, his only play seems to be over the top bluster.

    Tweeting about how people are mean to him is already pathetic and unpresidential, just wait until it becomes really clear how much it bothers him. I mean, we all know it, but give it a couple of months for the knives to really sink in...

    Because you're right, he's going to get a lot of shit put on his lap, and a bunch of it legitimately might not even be related to him, and that's going to drive him crazy. Might call for another victory lap visiting those cheering stadiums full of people who love him so much. Pence, you handle this day to day bullshit.

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  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    Elki wrote: »
    The idea that Trump will blame others for his political failure and therefore doom is pretty unconvincing. Yes, he can say it's the fault of everyone but him. But anytime the country is experiencing pain and people feel it, the president gets the lion's share of the blame no matter who else they try to blame. In the case of Trump the response might even be the rarely proportionate sort.

    Trump already does this for his failures, and the GOP aren't exactly going to shut him down unless he screws up massively. It's a Republican tradition.

    He'll try at least, we'll see whether it sticks.

  • No-QuarterNo-Quarter Nothing to Fear But Fear ItselfRegistered User regular
    Elki wrote: »
    The idea that Trump will blame others for his political failure and therefore doom is pretty unconvincing. Yes, he can say it's the fault of everyone but him. But anytime the country is experiencing pain and people feel it, the president gets the lion's share of the blame no matter who else they try to blame. In the case of Trump the response might even be the rarely proportionate sort.

    Moreover, Trump literally promised people that their every dream would come true.

    No really!

    https://washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/28/donald-trump-pledges-to-make-every-dream-possible-which-seems-ambitious/?utm_term=.14dba2d02742

    And he did this while selling himself as political Superman. If he can't get shit done, whining about it might appease the ever-faithful (and not even necessarily them), but everyone else is going to wonder when the hell exactly he is going to get around to "making America great again".

    This is before we consider the possibilities of his reactions to disasters and tragedies. Obviously his response to a major terrorist attack and/ or international incidents would be terrifying, but I'm talking more about the freak occurrences that are just bound to happen domestically throughout the course of his term. I'm talking things like Katrina or a white guy shooting up an elementary school. What's he going to do, tweet his condolences? And if he does speak about it of course he's going to be compared to his predecessor who is one of the finest orators to ever hold the presidency. Dems can hit him on that too, simply by issuing their own measured and mature responses.

    And good god golly gee almighty help him if another bombshell tape comes out of him grabbing more pussy or dropping N-bombs.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    America being stupid and not paying attention is going to work in our favor for the next four years. Woo!

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited January 2017

    The intelligence community is going to want to kill him soon enough. Or just say "fuck it" and quit.

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  • SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    Elki wrote: »
    The idea that Trump will blame others for his political failure and therefore doom is pretty unconvincing. Yes, he can say it's the fault of everyone but him. But anytime the country is experiencing pain and people feel it, the president gets the lion's share of the blame no matter who else they try to blame. In the case of Trump the response might even be the rarely proportionate sort.

    Also, it's important to remember that he is historically unpopular for an incoming president. And that those numbers don't usually get better during a term

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  • autono-wally, erotibot300autono-wally, erotibot300 love machine Registered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »

    The intelligence community is going to want to kill him soon enough.

    Holy shit. How the fuck did this happen america. How did you elect an obvious Russian stooge as president??

    Jesus fuck

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    Spoit wrote: »
    Elki wrote: »
    The idea that Trump will blame others for his political failure and therefore doom is pretty unconvincing. Yes, he can say it's the fault of everyone but him. But anytime the country is experiencing pain and people feel it, the president gets the lion's share of the blame no matter who else they try to blame. In the case of Trump the response might even be the rarely proportionate sort.

    Also, it's important to remember that he is historically unpopular for an incoming president. And that those numbers don't usually get better during a term

    Well, he has the best economic tailwind for an incoming President in decades. Which tends to help. The main thing really will be events, dear boy, events. He can't even wish everyone a Happy New Year without being an asshole. I doubt the majesty of the office will improve his disposition when he has to deal with some terrible black swan event. Or a terrible white swan event like the next mass shooting we're due for in a couple months.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »

    The intelligence community is going to want to kill him soon enough.

    Holy shit. How the fuck did this happen america. How did you elect an obvious Russian stooge as president??

    Jesus fuck

    Hillary Clinton had poor e-mail management practices.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Herbert Hoover got 40% of the vote in 1932. Friendly reminder.
  • SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular

    Can....can they do that? I thought there was separation of powers (It doesn't fucking matter once they get their 5th stooge in anyway)

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  • ViskodViskod Registered User regular
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    Of course Republicans are going to blame Democrats.

    We have to make sure that it doesn't stick.

    That's the gig.

    This isn't a world where the assholes are going to stop pretending they're not assholes.

    Honestly the best thing to do is just let the Republicans be their own worst enemy and let them and Trump turn the whole country into Kansas x10 and make sure they get all the credit.

    Artereis wrote: »
    It's not your fault, Viskod. 1 out of every 10 people just happens to be a monster.
  • jothkijothki Registered User regular

    How exactly does he think the Supreme Court managed to make those decisions originally?

  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Spoit wrote: »

    Can....can they do that? I thought there was separation of powers (It doesn't fucking matter once they get their 5th stooge in anyway)
    The judicial power shall extend to all cases, in law and equity, arising under this Constitution, the laws of the United States, and treaties made, or which shall be made, under their authority;--to all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls;--to all cases of admiralty and maritime jurisdiction;--to controversies to which the United States shall be a party;--to controversies between two or more states;--between a state and citizens of another state;--between citizens of different states;--between citizens of the same state claiming lands under grants of different states, and between a state, or the citizens thereof, and foreign states, citizens or subjects.

    In all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, and those in which a state shall be party, the Supreme Court shall have original jurisdiction. In all the other cases before mentioned, the Supreme Court shall have appellate jurisdiction, both as to law and fact, with such exceptions, and under such regulations as the Congress shall make.

    The trial of all crimes, except in cases of impeachment, shall be by jury; and such trial shall be held in the state where the said crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any state, the trial shall be at such place or places as the Congress may by law have directed.

    There's the part of the Constitution they're saying gives them that power. The answer is no, somewhat obviously.

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  • jothkijothki Registered User regular
    Viskod wrote: »
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    Of course Republicans are going to blame Democrats.

    We have to make sure that it doesn't stick.

    That's the gig.

    This isn't a world where the assholes are going to stop pretending they're not assholes.

    Honestly the best thing to do is just let the Republicans be their own worst enemy and let them and Trump turn the whole country into Kansas x10 and make sure they get all the credit.

    That hurts innocent people.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    And re-building the last 90 years of progress is way harder than dismantling it.

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »

    The intelligence community is going to want to kill him soon enough.

    Holy shit. How the fuck did this happen america. How did you elect an obvious Russian stooge as president??

    Jesus fuck

    Hillary Clinton had poor e-mail management practices.

    As did John Podesta.

    Though I feel like it's pretty high bar to protect your email password from a State intelligence agency.

  • ViskodViskod Registered User regular
    jothki wrote: »
    Viskod wrote: »
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    Of course Republicans are going to blame Democrats.

    We have to make sure that it doesn't stick.

    That's the gig.

    This isn't a world where the assholes are going to stop pretending they're not assholes.

    Honestly the best thing to do is just let the Republicans be their own worst enemy and let them and Trump turn the whole country into Kansas x10 and make sure they get all the credit.

    That hurts innocent people.

    That's an inevitable side effect of this administration regardless.

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    It's not your fault, Viskod. 1 out of every 10 people just happens to be a monster.
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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    Viskod wrote: »
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    Of course Republicans are going to blame Democrats.

    We have to make sure that it doesn't stick.

    That's the gig.

    This isn't a world where the assholes are going to stop pretending they're not assholes.

    Honestly the best thing to do is just let the Republicans be their own worst enemy and let them and Trump turn the whole country into Kansas x10 and make sure they get all the credit.

    No, Susan Sarandon is wrong.

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  • GoodKingJayIIIGoodKingJayIII Registered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »

    The intelligence community is going to want to kill him soon enough.

    Holy shit. How the fuck did this happen america. How did you elect an obvious Russian stooge as president??

    Jesus fuck

    We believed it couldn't happen.

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  • ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA mod
    Couscous wrote: »

    The intelligence community is going to want to kill him soon enough.

    Holy shit. How the fuck did this happen america. How did you elect an obvious Russian stooge as president??

    Jesus fuck

    Hillary Clinton had poor e-mail management practices.

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  • override367override367 ALL minions Registered User regular
    Elki wrote: »
    The idea that Trump will blame others for his political failure and therefore doom is pretty unconvincing. Yes, he can say it's the fault of everyone but him. But anytime the country is experiencing pain and people feel it, the president gets the lion's share of the blame no matter who else they try to blame. In the case of Trump the response might even be the rarely proportionate sort.

    The thing with Trump is he's as likely to blame Republicans as he is Democrats

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  • Waffles or whateverWaffles or whatever Previously known as, I shit you not, "Waffen" Registered User regular
    Elki wrote: »
    The idea that Trump will blame others for his political failure and therefore doom is pretty unconvincing. Yes, he can say it's the fault of everyone but him. But anytime the country is experiencing pain and people feel it, the president gets the lion's share of the blame no matter who else they try to blame. In the case of Trump the response might even be the rarely proportionate sort.

    The thing with Trump is he's as likely to blame Republicans as he is Democrats

    Which could be a good thing. Someone mentioned Bruce Rauner earlier in the thread. Trump in theory could become the next Rauner, alienate himself from both parties, and achieve nothing while Congress refuses to budge on any of his policies.

    That however could only happen after they appeal most of the Obama Legacy Policies.

  • TaramoorTaramoor Registered User regular
    Viskod wrote: »
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    Of course Republicans are going to blame Democrats.

    We have to make sure that it doesn't stick.

    That's the gig.

    This isn't a world where the assholes are going to stop pretending they're not assholes.

    Honestly the best thing to do is just let the Republicans be their own worst enemy and let them and Trump turn the whole country into Kansas x10 and make sure they get all the credit.

    Kansas keeps re-electing those people, don't they?

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  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    Taramoor wrote: »
    Viskod wrote: »
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    Of course Republicans are going to blame Democrats.

    We have to make sure that it doesn't stick.

    That's the gig.

    This isn't a world where the assholes are going to stop pretending they're not assholes.

    Honestly the best thing to do is just let the Republicans be their own worst enemy and let them and Trump turn the whole country into Kansas x10 and make sure they get all the credit.

    Kansas keeps re-electing those people, don't they?

    Maybe we should run some Democrats against them at some point.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    I had a conversation with someone like that recently.

    "What are you planning to do when they cancel obamacare, are you just going to drop your insurance? you may want to go ahead and try to go full time at work to get on theirs."
    "No, I have Blue Cross, it isn't obamacare, it won't affect me"
    "Oh, how do you afford that, you only work part time right?"
    "Yeah its only $100 a month"
    "Really? So you are a 25 year old female who only works part time, and somehow you managed to get a plan that isn't through work, but is only $100, and isn't a subsidized plan?"
    "I don't know, I just know I didnt have to go through the government, the guy that does my car insurance set it up and its blue cross."

    ...

    People like this (of little brain) when they cancel Obamacare, will simply sigh, bemoan their lot briefly, forgo health insurance, and not connect it at all to political actions. Your friend will probably never realize she had Obamacare, just something like "Blue Cross raised their rates to $700 which I couldn't afford, but luckily Trump cancelled the mandate so I didn't get fined for having no insurance."

    As someone who deals with rural low income whites a lot through through work and outside of work, I think there really is an effort to provide fig leaves or obfuscate where government assistance comes from and let those receiving it remain oblivious while still being able to look down on others receiving more obvious benefits like food stamps or medicaid.

    Not just obamacare, where in my experience local insurance agents tend to not tell people why their rates are so low or downplay the subsidies in favor of giving people a "deal", but in other areas.

    Like the earned income tax credit. Lets not mince words, the EITC is government assistance for low income families with children. But people will talk down about people on food stamps while gladly collecting their 5 or 6 thousand dollar "refund" check every year ("I earned that money, the government is just giving me back what they charged too much out of my paycheck" ). Or disability, where I hear people with back issues or whatever talking shit about food stamp recipients but their government assistance is "legitimate".

    I think a lot could be done in convincing people "ok, you get government assistance, its real, not something that you somehow secretly earned that someone else didn't, don't be ashamed of that, but also don't rag on the other guy who needs assistance either."

    This is the essentially problem with the sneaky technocratic solution to problems. You do it to try and sneak reforms through and what ends up happening is while you get past the opposition to "government expansion", you also obfuscate what is actually happening to the point where long-term you aren't making the case for government assistance even as it's actually working.

    It's a short-cut around having to fight the rhetorical war but can end up costing you long term.

    Democracy functions really poorly when it's not immediately obvious what is going on with the government. Social Security gets it's own separate everything highlighting exactly what's going on for a reason after all.

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  • ViskodViskod Registered User regular
    Taramoor wrote: »
    Viskod wrote: »
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    Of course Republicans are going to blame Democrats.

    We have to make sure that it doesn't stick.

    That's the gig.

    This isn't a world where the assholes are going to stop pretending they're not assholes.

    Honestly the best thing to do is just let the Republicans be their own worst enemy and let them and Trump turn the whole country into Kansas x10 and make sure they get all the credit.

    Kansas keeps re-electing those people, don't they?

    The country at large is not Kansas.


    Artereis wrote: »
    It's not your fault, Viskod. 1 out of every 10 people just happens to be a monster.
  • OrcaOrca Registered User regular
    Viskod wrote: »
    Taramoor wrote: »
    Viskod wrote: »
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    Of course Republicans are going to blame Democrats.

    We have to make sure that it doesn't stick.

    That's the gig.

    This isn't a world where the assholes are going to stop pretending they're not assholes.

    Honestly the best thing to do is just let the Republicans be their own worst enemy and let them and Trump turn the whole country into Kansas x10 and make sure they get all the credit.

    Kansas keeps re-electing those people, don't they?

    The country at large is not Kansas.


    We are all Kansas now.

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    Viskod wrote: »
    Taramoor wrote: »
    Viskod wrote: »
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    Of course Republicans are going to blame Democrats.

    We have to make sure that it doesn't stick.

    That's the gig.

    This isn't a world where the assholes are going to stop pretending they're not assholes.

    Honestly the best thing to do is just let the Republicans be their own worst enemy and let them and Trump turn the whole country into Kansas x10 and make sure they get all the credit.

    Kansas keeps re-electing those people, don't they?

    The country at large is not Kansas.


    Yeah, it's more Southern than Midwestern.

  • The EnderThe Ender Registered User regular
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Elki wrote: »
    The idea that Trump will blame others for his political failure and therefore doom is pretty unconvincing. Yes, he can say it's the fault of everyone but him. But anytime the country is experiencing pain and people feel it, the president gets the lion's share of the blame no matter who else they try to blame. In the case of Trump the response might even be the rarely proportionate sort.

    Moreover, Trump literally promised people that their every dream would come true.

    No really!

    https://washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/28/donald-trump-pledges-to-make-every-dream-possible-which-seems-ambitious/?utm_term=.14dba2d02742

    And he did this while selling himself as political Superman. If he can't get shit done, whining about it might appease the ever-faithful (and not even necessarily them), but everyone else is going to wonder when the hell exactly he is going to get around to "making America great again".

    This is before we consider the possibilities of his reactions to disasters and tragedies. Obviously his response to a major terrorist attack and/ or international incidents would be terrifying, but I'm talking more about the freak occurrences that are just bound to happen domestically throughout the course of his term. I'm talking things like Katrina or a white guy shooting up an elementary school. What's he going to do, tweet his condolences? And if he does speak about it of course he's going to be compared to his predecessor who is one of the finest orators to ever hold the presidency. Dems can hit him on that too, simply by issuing their own measured and mature responses.

    And good god golly gee almighty help him if another bombshell tape comes out of him grabbing more pussy or dropping N-bombs.

    He did say that, but that is not what got people excited & cheering at his rallies.


    His bedrock promises were to build a fortification along the Mexican border and, later in the campaign, to have Clinton arrested. The first promise is not impossible so long as his side of the aisle is willing to piss away enough money to get it done & gets creative about how to carve-up the border along water crossings. The latter promise is much more difficult, but not something completely outside of precedent in most of the world.

    So long as he meets his base at least halfway on these bedrock proposals, I doubt they'll feel disenfranchised or disillusioned. Trump himself has no particular reason to stray from either pledge.

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  • rockrngerrockrnger Registered User regular
    The Ender wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Elki wrote: »
    The idea that Trump will blame others for his political failure and therefore doom is pretty unconvincing. Yes, he can say it's the fault of everyone but him. But anytime the country is experiencing pain and people feel it, the president gets the lion's share of the blame no matter who else they try to blame. In the case of Trump the response might even be the rarely proportionate sort.

    Moreover, Trump literally promised people that their every dream would come true.

    No really!

    https://washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/28/donald-trump-pledges-to-make-every-dream-possible-which-seems-ambitious/?utm_term=.14dba2d02742

    And he did this while selling himself as political Superman. If he can't get shit done, whining about it might appease the ever-faithful (and not even necessarily them), but everyone else is going to wonder when the hell exactly he is going to get around to "making America great again".

    This is before we consider the possibilities of his reactions to disasters and tragedies. Obviously his response to a major terrorist attack and/ or international incidents would be terrifying, but I'm talking more about the freak occurrences that are just bound to happen domestically throughout the course of his term. I'm talking things like Katrina or a white guy shooting up an elementary school. What's he going to do, tweet his condolences? And if he does speak about it of course he's going to be compared to his predecessor who is one of the finest orators to ever hold the presidency. Dems can hit him on that too, simply by issuing their own measured and mature responses.

    And good god golly gee almighty help him if another bombshell tape comes out of him grabbing more pussy or dropping N-bombs.

    He did say that, but that is not what got people excited & cheering at his rallies.


    His bedrock promises were to build a fortification along the Mexican border and, later in the campaign, to have Clinton arrested. The first promise is not impossible so long as his side of the aisle is willing to piss away enough money to get it done & gets creative about how to carve-up the border along water crossings. The latter promise is much more difficult, but not something completely outside of precedent in most of the world.

    So long as he meets his base at least halfway on these bedrock proposals, I doubt they'll feel disenfranchised or disillusioned. Trump himself has no particular reason to stray from either pledge.

    All the Muslim stuff as well but that won't be hard to get done, I think.

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  • TryCatcherTryCatcher Registered User regular
    And with the wall and the Muslim stuff going and some jobs saved on "deals", don't think that anybody will care too much about Clinton.

  • PLAPLA The process.Registered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »

    The intelligence community is going to want to kill him soon enough. Or just say "fuck it" and quit.

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