some of Blue Beetle's character arc. Alien language in his head. The robotic side might be controlling him. His system's defense system forcing him to do something really stupid. Next time, he'll be talking about how the meat is crashing the mode.
They should have replaced him with Jaime Reyes.
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jungleroomxIt's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovelsRegistered Userregular
Basically DC took the 2nd most well-known (And probably best-selling) group in comics and turned it into "s'alright"??
Basically DC took the 2nd most well-known (And probably best-selling) group in comics and turned it into "s'alright"??
WB's lucky Whedon was able to co-direct, the film would have been ten times worse with Snyder's complete control. He hasn't learnt a thing from B vs S
Thing is, these guys knew what Snyder's style was like. Anyone could've figured out it would've been a poor fit.
And this declaration to cut it down to below 2 hours? What? Okay, yeah, I admit Marvel has been high-balling it with some of their films and they probably could've benefited from a snip, but this is your grand, epic, balls-to-the-wall Team Up. Give it time to breathe! If it naturally works at under 2 hours, then good! But arbitrarily shortening it is a bad idea!
"What's the best thing about Earth" or favourite thing about Earth. Then it cuts off.
Oreo cookies. Surprise! The happy hopeful Superman is actually Martian Manhunter in disguise, thus explaining away all continuity issues with Superman's characterization.
Basically DC took the 2nd most well-known (And probably best-selling) group in comics and turned it into "s'alright"??
WB's lucky Whedon was able to co-direct, the film would have been ten times worse with Snyder's complete control. He hasn't learnt a thing from B vs S
Thing is, these guys knew what Snyder's style was like. Anyone could've figured out it would've been a poor fit.
And this declaration to cut it down to below 2 hours? What? Okay, yeah, I admit Marvel has been high-balling it with some of their films and they probably could've benefited from a snip, but this is your grand, epic, balls-to-the-wall Team Up. Give it time to breathe! If it naturally works at under 2 hours, then good! But arbitrarily shortening it is a bad idea!
Wasn't Thor 3 meant to be 90mins at one point, almost makes you wonder if that bit was poker
Saw it, I'd put it at around Avengers 2 for me quality wise.
It had some pacing issues, it had some character issues, it had some big villain issues, etc. But the overall movie still worked well enough.
WW was a more solid/better movie, but looking at it compared to the previous 2 superman movies, BvS, and Suicide Squad it's leagues better (hah!) to say the least.
Pacing
The Superman bit at the beginning was the most Superman we've seen this Supes ever be... but it was just so out of place at the start. It was a nice scene that really didn't go anywhere.
The whole introduction of everyone and the threat felt like it could have been tightened up a great deal.
Once everything was up to pace it went well enough, but it took some time to get there.
Characters
Flash was annoying. Everyone else was established in their roles other than Flash and Cyborg. It's cool if they wanted him to be a lighthearted jokester, but he was like a bad jewish skit stepped into the Flash suit.
Superman.
I REALLY didn't want him back in this movie. I was hoping for a Lantern, especially after they teased it in the flashback. Once Supes showed up he made the rest of the team irrelevant. Steppenwolf handed everyone one of the League their ass, but Clark tossed him around like a joke. It took him running off to carry a building full of civilians (also completely outclassing the Flash) for there to even be a final battle.
I get that Darkseid is WAY more powerful than his underlings, and will contrast the fight with Steppenwolf quite a bit if he's the big bad in the next movie, but that doesn't help this movie in the here and now.
Using a lantern would have given them all their day, setup for Superman to be back in the next, where he could toss Steppenwolf around like a joke and then get slapped down by the big boss.
Cyborg looked terrible frequently and just ok at best. His hoodie scenes were the only ones that were passable. His role was straight up deus ex machina (in a more literal than usual sense). He didn't seem to have much personality until the very end, and I think someone else would have worked much better. Blue Beetle, one of the lanterns, someone that could look "normal" and be in the movie more without them having to worry about the SFX budget.
Steppenwolf
Was an ok villain in general. But considering how much "history" they gave him in the movie there really wasn't much development there.
The whole "unity" thing with the motherboxes was just... odd. It really made no sense.
It was over complicated, overwrought, and was more or less abandoned for "they will destroy the world" towards the end anyways.
Just make them the McGuffin they are, don't even try to pretend why he needs them, just that he is after them. They had boom tubes going all over the place and no one even mentioned them in the movie. They didn't have that in the flashback, he left on a spaceship. So it's not like there was a, "well, that's just how they arrive/leave" thing setup... I almost feel like he was originally saying, "For Darkseid" all the time, and someone decided they didn't want to spoil it, and so they went and just copy/pasted "Unity" there in the script instead save for the one mention for fans to get.
A lot of those are nitpicky, but others were some pretty big issues. Much like AOU had as well. Didn't make me hate it, but it could have been so, so much better than it was as well.
Basically DC took the 2nd most well-known (And probably best-selling) group in comics and turned it into "s'alright"??
WB's lucky Whedon was able to co-direct, the film would have been ten times worse with Snyder's complete control. He hasn't learnt a thing from B vs S
Thing is, these guys knew what Snyder's style was like. Anyone could've figured out it would've been a poor fit.
And this declaration to cut it down to below 2 hours? What? Okay, yeah, I admit Marvel has been high-balling it with some of their films and they probably could've benefited from a snip, but this is your grand, epic, balls-to-the-wall Team Up. Give it time to breathe! If it naturally works at under 2 hours, then good! But arbitrarily shortening it is a bad idea!
Dark Raven XLaugh hard, run fast,be kindRegistered Userregular
I thoroughly enjoyed this!
It's got some massive problems, but I had fun throughout. It was clearly butchered in editing, but it was just about coherent. A ton of the cool action stuff from the trailer was missing. :I
Basically DC took the 2nd most well-known (And probably best-selling) group in comics and turned it into "s'alright"??
WB's lucky Whedon was able to co-direct, the film would have been ten times worse with Snyder's complete control. He hasn't learnt a thing from B vs S
Thing is, these guys knew what Snyder's style was like. Anyone could've figured out it would've been a poor fit.
And this declaration to cut it down to below 2 hours? What? Okay, yeah, I admit Marvel has been high-balling it with some of their films and they probably could've benefited from a snip, but this is your grand, epic, balls-to-the-wall Team Up. Give it time to breathe! If it naturally works at under 2 hours, then good! But arbitrarily shortening it is a bad idea!
Yeah, I'd be fine with a 3 hour JLA movie.
Me too... provided it was used properly.
Whenever the sequel hits, I hope it's paced better since they got so much stuff out of the way in this one.
Basically DC took the 2nd most well-known (And probably best-selling) group in comics and turned it into "s'alright"??
WB's lucky Whedon was able to co-direct, the film would have been ten times worse with Snyder's complete control. He hasn't learnt a thing from B vs S
Thing is, these guys knew what Snyder's style was like. Anyone could've figured out it would've been a poor fit.
And this declaration to cut it down to below 2 hours? What? Okay, yeah, I admit Marvel has been high-balling it with some of their films and they probably could've benefited from a snip, but this is your grand, epic, balls-to-the-wall Team Up. Give it time to breathe! If it naturally works at under 2 hours, then good! But arbitrarily shortening it is a bad idea!
Yeah, I'd be fine with a 3 hour JLA movie.
Me too... provided it was used properly.
Whenever the sequel hits, I hope it's paced better since they got so much stuff out of the way in this one.
The good news is that the likely the Snyder era is over, I don't think he's coming back after this even if he wanted to. WB has been slowly improving, with WW and Justice League - the latter unintentionally since Whedon had to come in with circumstances outside WB's or Snyder's control. It'll be intriguing to see whose heads will roll with this development. Is Johns on notice, as well?
I'd compare it to third tier Marvel like Thor 1 and 2- not bad, but definitely something I only care about seeing once.
I like that they didn't hide the ball about bring back Superman, though it'd have been nice if there had been more interaction between him and the team. Or interaction between the team as a whole, really. It has the same flaw as the first Avengers- the movie is good at establishing each character in and of themselves, but doesn't spend enough time on everybody getting to know each other.
Flash and Cyborg were just kind of there, although the performances were good. I'm still morally opposed to Cyborg being a Leaguer- Static, Blue Beetle, Martian Manhunter, and Hawkgirl are all better fits and more interesting characters. I squeed a little bit when they showed a Lantern in the flashback. The movie will probably suck, assuming it gets made at all, but it's neat to see live-action ring-slinging.
The movie is miles above BvS. I mean, Tommy Wiseau's The Room is miles above BvS, but I'll give credit where it's due.
It was thoroughly mediocre. A lot of questionable decisions leading to unintended humor. Why is Batman all “notice me, Superman” now? Are they seriously treating BvS with respect now with them being friends? Since when?
Overall, it’s disappointing that this is the Justice League that we get. It’s sad.
It was thoroughly mediocre. A lot of questionable decisions leading to unintended humor. Why is Batman all “notice me, Superman” now? Are they seriously treating BvS with respect now with them being friends? Since when?
Overall, it’s disappointing that this is the Justice League that we get. It’s sad.
I submit that we (still) have six seasons of a much superior product.
Supposedly Gal Gadot was unable to film several scenes, she was busy with WW promotions or something so they gave it to her stunt double/stand-in.
Like in the reactionary terrorist bit, and when she's in the Bat cave talking to the group. The latter makes sense in retrospect, I wondered why she wasn't as talkative as she should be. Though why couldn't they have added in dialogue for her via looping?
Batman has to tail Superman back to his apartment to discover his true identity. Then realizes that Superman doesn't disguise his face in any way so... what new information did he get by doing this?
Batman has to tail Superman back to his apartment to discover his true identity. Then realizes that Superman doesn't disguise his face in any way so... what new information did he get by doing this?
Basically to prove a point and to say "Now we're even".
"The sausage of Green Earth explodes with flavor like the cannon of culinary delight."
Batman has to tail Superman back to his apartment to discover his true identity. Then realizes that Superman doesn't disguise his face in any way so... what new information did he get by doing this?
What are you talking about?
Clark Kent wears glasses. Superman doesn't wear glasses.
Look, as somebody who wore glasses as a kid, trust me, the "disguise" works. The number of people that didn't recognize me without my glasses was staggering.
"The sausage of Green Earth explodes with flavor like the cannon of culinary delight."
So, analysts pegged Justice League to open domestically at $110 million. That would be just above the $103.3 million for Wonder Woman but below $133.7 for Suicide Squad, $166 for Batman v Superman, and $116.6 million for Man of Steel. For those of you keeping score, Avengers opened at $207.4 million and the latest Thor opened at $122.7 million.
So, analysts pegged Justice League to open domestically at $110 million. That would be just above the $103.3 million for Wonder Woman but below $133.7 for Suicide Squad, $166 for Batman v Superman, and $116.6 million for Man of Steel. For those of you keeping score, Avengers opened at $207.4 million and the latest Thor opened at $122.7 million.
Heads are going to *roll* on the Warner lot over this.
I'll be seeing it next Saturday with my dad.
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I enjoyed the film in bits and pieces, though it was a very empty, soulless thing. Probably not a repeat watch, and I suspect we won't be getting the continuation of the story, so it kind of sucks as a final chapter on this whole thing if thats what happens.
Also, was it just me or did Zack really make sure Wonder Woman's ass was on prominent display a lot more than it was in her standalone film?
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Let's play Mario Kart or something...
Hollywood movies are all produced by @Schrodinger.
They simultaneously did terribly (by Hollywood accounting), but then someone adds in the global sales and merch and licensing and bluray/dvd sales and suddenly it's okay, plus a few tax incentives and other perks go a long way... but if anyone looking for a slice of the pie asks it was a giant flop.
We might as well just embrace it being possible to be both, depending on who and when you ask.
First they came for the Muslims, and we said NOT TODAY, MOTHERFUCKER!
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I enjoyed the film in bits and pieces, though it was a very empty, soulless thing. Probably not a repeat watch, and I suspect we won't be getting the continuation of the story, so it kind of sucks as a final chapter on this whole thing if thats what happens.
Also, was it just me or did Zack really make sure Wonder Woman's ass was on prominent display a lot more than it was in her standalone film?
I never saw anything with Wonder Woman in uniform, I only saw one blatant ass shot with Diana, where she was waiting for Bruce and Barry to get off the jet and she's wearing the leather Buffy pants like it's 1998. But considering how Aquaman was basically Jason Mamoa from his Baywatch Hawaii days in the beginning of the movie, it gave fanservice to everyone.
Yeah, there's plenty to criticize the movie over, but it was one of the better Snyder movies as far as not objectifying women goes.
Not that any of the female characters really got to do anything except explain things to men, or provide emotional comfort to men. Baby steps.
Because half the movie wasn't directed by him. Whedon isn't without his faults on this issue
the scene where Flash falls on WW's chest,
but he has a better track record with this sort of thing. I cringe at the thought of what the movie would have looked like without Whedon's influence.
Apparently WB's exec called in Whedon to punch up the script, and minor directing before dyers family tragedy. That's one of the best decisions the WB brass have made with the DCEU.
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WB's lucky Whedon was able to co-direct, the film would have been ten times worse with Snyder's complete control. He hasn't learnt a thing from B vs S
Thing is, these guys knew what Snyder's style was like. Anyone could've figured out it would've been a poor fit.
And this declaration to cut it down to below 2 hours? What? Okay, yeah, I admit Marvel has been high-balling it with some of their films and they probably could've benefited from a snip, but this is your grand, epic, balls-to-the-wall Team Up. Give it time to breathe! If it naturally works at under 2 hours, then good! But arbitrarily shortening it is a bad idea!
Oreo cookies. Surprise! The happy hopeful Superman is actually Martian Manhunter in disguise, thus explaining away all continuity issues with Superman's characterization.
Wasn't Thor 3 meant to be 90mins at one point, almost makes you wonder if that bit was poker
It had some pacing issues, it had some character issues, it had some big villain issues, etc. But the overall movie still worked well enough.
WW was a more solid/better movie, but looking at it compared to the previous 2 superman movies, BvS, and Suicide Squad it's leagues better (hah!) to say the least.
Pacing
The whole introduction of everyone and the threat felt like it could have been tightened up a great deal.
Once everything was up to pace it went well enough, but it took some time to get there.
Characters
Superman.
I REALLY didn't want him back in this movie. I was hoping for a Lantern, especially after they teased it in the flashback. Once Supes showed up he made the rest of the team irrelevant. Steppenwolf handed everyone one of the League their ass, but Clark tossed him around like a joke. It took him running off to carry a building full of civilians (also completely outclassing the Flash) for there to even be a final battle.
I get that Darkseid is WAY more powerful than his underlings, and will contrast the fight with Steppenwolf quite a bit if he's the big bad in the next movie, but that doesn't help this movie in the here and now.
Using a lantern would have given them all their day, setup for Superman to be back in the next, where he could toss Steppenwolf around like a joke and then get slapped down by the big boss.
Cyborg looked terrible frequently and just ok at best. His hoodie scenes were the only ones that were passable. His role was straight up deus ex machina (in a more literal than usual sense). He didn't seem to have much personality until the very end, and I think someone else would have worked much better. Blue Beetle, one of the lanterns, someone that could look "normal" and be in the movie more without them having to worry about the SFX budget.
Steppenwolf
The whole "unity" thing with the motherboxes was just... odd. It really made no sense.
It was over complicated, overwrought, and was more or less abandoned for "they will destroy the world" towards the end anyways.
Just make them the McGuffin they are, don't even try to pretend why he needs them, just that he is after them. They had boom tubes going all over the place and no one even mentioned them in the movie. They didn't have that in the flashback, he left on a spaceship. So it's not like there was a, "well, that's just how they arrive/leave" thing setup... I almost feel like he was originally saying, "For Darkseid" all the time, and someone decided they didn't want to spoil it, and so they went and just copy/pasted "Unity" there in the script instead save for the one mention for fans to get.
A lot of those are nitpicky, but others were some pretty big issues. Much like AOU had as well. Didn't make me hate it, but it could have been so, so much better than it was as well.
Yeah, I'd be fine with a 3 hour JLA movie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZE-qUhHZpMQ
Who's laughing now?
It's got some massive problems, but I had fun throughout. It was clearly butchered in editing, but it was just about coherent. A ton of the cool action stuff from the trailer was missing. :I
Me too... provided it was used properly.
Whenever the sequel hits, I hope it's paced better since they got so much stuff out of the way in this one.
The good news is that the likely the Snyder era is over, I don't think he's coming back after this even if he wanted to. WB has been slowly improving, with WW and Justice League - the latter unintentionally since Whedon had to come in with circumstances outside WB's or Snyder's control. It'll be intriguing to see whose heads will roll with this development. Is Johns on notice, as well?
I'd compare it to third tier Marvel like Thor 1 and 2- not bad, but definitely something I only care about seeing once.
Flash and Cyborg were just kind of there, although the performances were good. I'm still morally opposed to Cyborg being a Leaguer- Static, Blue Beetle, Martian Manhunter, and Hawkgirl are all better fits and more interesting characters. I squeed a little bit when they showed a Lantern in the flashback. The movie will probably suck, assuming it gets made at all, but it's neat to see live-action ring-slinging.
The movie is miles above BvS. I mean, Tommy Wiseau's The Room is miles above BvS, but I'll give credit where it's due.
Overall, it’s disappointing that this is the Justice League that we get. It’s sad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1s5ElKmQm4
Edit: "YOINK!"
I submit that we (still) have six seasons of a much superior product.
https://youtu.be/4l5RK4MSL-o
(Also, I just love the "... wtf?" look on Clark's face after he gets flipped.)
Pretty much. You can pinpoint the exact second this takes place in the DCEU.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aQtZ_vqimA
2:58
If we were only that lucky.
Batman has to tail Superman back to his apartment to discover his true identity. Then realizes that Superman doesn't disguise his face in any way so... what new information did he get by doing this?
Basically to prove a point and to say "Now we're even".
Clark Kent wears glasses. Superman doesn't wear glasses.
He slouched and even changed his gait for the Clark bits.
Justice League's actual opening weekend performance is on track for $96 million.
Expect hilarious executive freakouts in the months ahead.
The course of the DCEU as a whole financially makes me think of that one Simpsons scene.
"It is just a little airborne!"
But at least Justice League beat Logan, an R rated movie with 1/3rd the budget.
I'll be seeing it next Saturday with my dad.
Also, was it just me or did Zack really make sure Wonder Woman's ass was on prominent display a lot more than it was in her standalone film?
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
They simultaneously did terribly (by Hollywood accounting), but then someone adds in the global sales and merch and licensing and bluray/dvd sales and suddenly it's okay, plus a few tax incentives and other perks go a long way... but if anyone looking for a slice of the pie asks it was a giant flop.
We might as well just embrace it being possible to be both, depending on who and when you ask.
I never saw anything with Wonder Woman in uniform, I only saw one blatant ass shot with Diana, where she was waiting for Bruce and Barry to get off the jet and she's wearing the leather Buffy pants like it's 1998. But considering how Aquaman was basically Jason Mamoa from his Baywatch Hawaii days in the beginning of the movie, it gave fanservice to everyone.
Not that any of the female characters really got to do anything except explain things to men, or provide emotional comfort to men. Baby steps.
Because half the movie wasn't directed by him. Whedon isn't without his faults on this issue
Apparently WB's exec called in Whedon to punch up the script, and minor directing before dyers family tragedy. That's one of the best decisions the WB brass have made with the DCEU.