Have any other versions of Batman ever offered to get nuts?
That feels like something they could reference in the comics or animated shows at some point. I wanna see Batman get nuts.
Want to live? Don't smuggle goods into Gotham Harbor.
And don't hold an aging mother hostage.
A duh.
So, like, how do you think that first one went down?
Do you think he got his private security forces together and said "Hey, I forged some paperwork to bring in this super secret item so I'd like all of you to consider escorting it morally akin to murder/kidnapping/rape/what have you. To be clear, this is highly illegal and I'm informing you all explicitly of that fact so when a murderous asshole in spandex shows up he'll be morally in the clear for ramming his car through your head. Everybody good?"
Like, I'm theoretically okay with a Batman who kills. Shit, that last set up with Superman's mother that Batman just made a connection with Clark over? Where he was saving her in a way he would never ever be able to save his own mother? Sure, cool, he stops at nothing to do that and is SUPER pissed at the goons threatening to kill his mother stand in figure and just loses it and decimates them.
Random security guards because he wants the rock to use as a murder weapon?
Hackery.
Most of the iterations of Lex's goons know shit he's doing is on the down low. Those guys weren't set up like mall cops or harbor security for when Batman took the Kryptonite, they were a god damned seal team.
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Want to live? Don't smuggle goods into Gotham Harbor.
And don't hold an aging mother hostage.
A duh.
So, like, how do you think that first one went down?
Do you think he got his private security forces together and said "Hey, I forged some paperwork to bring in this super secret item so I'd like all of you to consider escorting it morally akin to murder/kidnapping/rape/what have you. To be clear, this is highly illegal and I'm informing you all explicitly of that fact so when a murderous asshole in spandex shows up he'll be morally in the clear for ramming his car through your head. Everybody good?"
Like, I'm theoretically okay with a Batman who kills. Shit, that last set up with Superman's mother that Batman just made a connection with Clark over? Where he was saving her in a way he would never ever be able to save his own mother? Sure, cool, he stops at nothing to do that and is SUPER pissed at the goons threatening to kill his mother stand in figure and just loses it and decimates them.
Random security guards because he wants the rock to use as a murder weapon?
Hackery.
Most of the iterations of Lex's goons know shit he's doing is on the down low. Those guys weren't set up like mall cops or harbor security for when Batman took the Kryptonite, they were a god damned seal team.
Sure but in most of his iterations Bats doesn't kill folks because it is his moral bright line. Either we're dealing with most iterations or we have to deal with what we're shown. Lex is a weapons manufacturer here, that his high tech material transfers have seal teams guarding them isn't exactly absurd and certainly not so illegal it justifies murder on sight.
At that stage of the movie, what we've been shown of Lex is he likes Jolly Ranchers and circumvented some bureaucratic paperwork. That's halfway to President, not kill on sight.
Most of the iterations of Lex's goons know shit he's doing is on the down low. Those guys weren't set up like mall cops or harbor security for when Batman took the Kryptonite, they were a god damned seal team.
They were the kind of mercs which you'd think the authorities would be keeping an eye on because they're literally twirling their mustaches.
Most of the iterations of Lex's goons know shit he's doing is on the down low. Those guys weren't set up like mall cops or harbor security for when Batman took the Kryptonite, they were a god damned seal team.
They were the kind of mercs which you'd think the authorities would be keeping an eye on because they're literally twirling their mustaches.
Foreign nationals with a god damned heat seeking missile launcher for christ's sake.
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The entire reason for Batman's half-baked "gone too far/redemption" thing is because Snyder wanted BvS to heavily ape The Dark Knight Returns.
Now that that movie's over, there's no reason to dwell on the repercussions of his actions.
This is his pattern, once he's done with a theme or a story he moves on and ignores the logical repercussions moving forward. These could be intriguing threads to build on and explore how the characters interact with each other and the world, we might get some improvement with Affleck and Johns involvement but this is still Snyder's playground and he'll do with his toys what he wants to.
Have any other versions of Batman ever offered to get nuts?
That feels like something they could reference in the comics or animated shows at some point. I wanna see Batman get nuts.
We’re just 10 days into 2017, and Ben Affleck has already gone from warning that he might not direct the upcoming standalone Batman film to assuring fans he will indeed step behind the camera — he just needs time to get the film ready to go.
During an appearance on Jimmy Kimmel Live, the actor and filmmaker gave an update on his plans for the Caped Crusader after he appears in the upcoming Justice League movie.
“I’m gonna direct the next Batman. We’re working on it,” he told Kimmel. “It’s one of those things that’s really frustrating — with Live by Night, it took me a year and a half to write it and get it ready and I worked really hard, and nobody gave a sh–. No one was like, ‘Where’s Live by Night?!’ But with Batman I keep on getting, ‘Where’s the f—ing Batman?!’ and I’m like, ‘I’m working! Can you give me a second?!”
Seems like a conflict between two different types of filmmaking -- Affleck's, which is slower and more methodical, vs. WB/Snyder, which farts out whatever shit they can as fast as they can (at least under the constraints of the oodles of post-production blockbusters need).
I hope Affleck knocks it outta the park and humiliates Snyder
I'm actually kind of hoping that he goes full film school to spite the WB execs; use a single go pro that the actors are all handing off between shots and wearing costumes they got from value village in a ten minute short film that has a ton of shitty stock after effects things put into it. For extra douchebaggery do it all as one continuous shot even as you try and transfer the camera between camera men in order to establish wide shots, over the shoulder and reverse.
I hope Affleck knocks it outta the park and humiliates Snyder
I'm actually kind of hoping that he goes full film school to spite the WB execs; use a single go pro that the actors are all handing off between shots and wearing costumes they got from value village in a ten minute short film that has a ton of shitty stock after effects things put into it. For extra douchebaggery do it all as one continuous shot even as you try and transfer the camera between camera men in order to establish wide shots, over the shoulder and reverse.
it'll probably be amazing
not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
I hope Affleck knocks it outta the park and humiliates Snyder
I'm actually kind of hoping that he goes full film school to spite the WB execs; use a single go pro that the actors are all handing off between shots and wearing costumes they got from value village in a ten minute short film that has a ton of shitty stock after effects things put into it. For extra douchebaggery do it all as one continuous shot even as you try and transfer the camera between camera men in order to establish wide shots, over the shoulder and reverse.
it'll probably be amazing
Instead of having the go pro passed between the actors, could we just duct tape it to a mannequin? It'd be a bit easier to handle then. Have the entire film shot from the POV of a gagged hostage being taken/held for ransom.
Naturally, there's a 45 minute section of near black screen where the camera is locked in a trunk while the other actors talk and the car is driven around town.
The film will be about a banquet held by Batman at Arkham Asylum where he invites his rogues gallery and they have a scintillating two hour conversation where they discuss the experiences that led them to abandoning their normal life and embarking on a journey to supervillainy. It'll be titled My Dinner With Bruce Wayne.
Now I'm secretly hoping that, given what happened in The Lego Movie, The Lego Batman movie includes a sequence where he meets (live-action) Batfleck and they argue about who's better.
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The film will be about a banquet held by Batman at Arkham Asylum where he invites his rogues gallery and they have a scintillating two hour conversation where they discuss the experiences that led them to abandoning their normal life and embarking on a journey to supervillainy. It'll be titled My Dinner With Bruce Wayne.
I would watch that but a live action version of the Trial episode from TAS.
I hope Affleck knocks it outta the park and humiliates Snyder
I'm actually kind of hoping that he goes full film school to spite the WB execs; use a single go pro that the actors are all handing off between shots and wearing costumes they got from value village in a ten minute short film that has a ton of shitty stock after effects things put into it. For extra douchebaggery do it all as one continuous shot even as you try and transfer the camera between camera men in order to establish wide shots, over the shoulder and reverse.
it'll probably be amazing
The director's cut likely will. He better have that control in his contract or even that will end up like SS:DC.
I hope Affleck knocks it outta the park and humiliates Snyder
I'm actually kind of hoping that he goes full film school to spite the WB execs; use a single go pro that the actors are all handing off between shots and wearing costumes they got from value village in a ten minute short film that has a ton of shitty stock after effects things put into it. For extra douchebaggery do it all as one continuous shot even as you try and transfer the camera between camera men in order to establish wide shots, over the shoulder and reverse.
On the one hand this could be amazing, on the other they'll probably screw him in the editing room like they allegedly did with Ayer.
edit: Ayer may not be the best director in the world but he's of a higher caliber than Snyder.
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I hope Affleck knocks it outta the park and humiliates Snyder
I'm actually kind of hoping that he goes full film school to spite the WB execs; use a single go pro that the actors are all handing off between shots and wearing costumes they got from value village in a ten minute short film that has a ton of shitty stock after effects things put into it. For extra douchebaggery do it all as one continuous shot even as you try and transfer the camera between camera men in order to establish wide shots, over the shoulder and reverse.
it'll probably be amazing
The director's cut likely will. He better have that control in his contract or even that will end up like SS:DC.
I hope Affleck knocks it outta the park and humiliates Snyder
I'm actually kind of hoping that he goes full film school to spite the WB execs; use a single go pro that the actors are all handing off between shots and wearing costumes they got from value village in a ten minute short film that has a ton of shitty stock after effects things put into it. For extra douchebaggery do it all as one continuous shot even as you try and transfer the camera between camera men in order to establish wide shots, over the shoulder and reverse.
On the one hand this could be amazing, on the other they'll probably screw him in the editing room like they allegedly did with Ayer.
edit: Ayer may not be the best director in the world but he's of a higher caliber than Snyder.
Suicide Squad's issues started with the script, which I believe was slapped together in like six weeks or something insane.
Shut up, Mr. Burton! You were not brought upon this world to get it!
They could have just copied the animated Suicide Squad script, cut down Batman's role, stretched the other parts out a bit, and it would have turned out to be a much better movie.
They could have just copied the animated Suicide Squad script, cut down Batman's role, stretched the other parts out a bit, and it would have turned out to be a much better movie.
That would never happen since it would mean acknowledging the merits of an animated movie.
They could have just copied the animated Suicide Squad script, cut down Batman's role, stretched the other parts out a bit, and it would have turned out to be a much better movie.
And BvS could have just been Batman and Superman silently sitting in front of a TV watching the animated World's Finest, and it would have been a much better movie.
They could have just copied the animated Suicide Squad script, cut down Batman's role, stretched the other parts out a bit, and it would have turned out to be a much better movie.
And BvS could have just been Batman and Superman silently sitting in front of a TV watching the animated World's Finest, and it would have been a much better movie.
Seriously though, BvS's problems are entirely that they didn't really flesh out the characters for longer than 0 and 1 movies.
Like "The Batman" should've been right after MoS. MoS should've gotten a second movie where he learns about the ramifications of being a super man and what crazy destruction cost everyone and with the other half of the world worshiping him as a god (basically the beginning half of BvS) with him become more like the titular light in the dark character and realizing he just wants to help people.
Then give them a conflict. Have the US gov't after suicide squad start cracking down on Vigilante justice (Batman/Green Arrow/Flash) and have Batman become much more dark and him start ramping up his defensive arsenal since he's now involved with fighting the military and swat teams. Maybe switch Robin's death with Waller instead of Joker and make that be the point Batman loses his "no kill rule" and he kills the joker and starts become much more brutal. Show the gov't struggling to take on Batman to the point that they find out who he is but he had been prepping for that day for far longer.
Then they ask Superman to step in to stop him.
Mark this with the arrival of Darkseid's preliminary forces and the boomtubes, give them a reason to stop fighting each other that isn't hackneyed like "Doomsday" being zod 2. Then leave it off as them stopping them but this creates cyborg and Darkseid is pissed.
not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
From what I've heard (so, grain of salt), SuperBat started as MoS2 where the ending was a package (containing a glowing green rock) being delivered to Stately Wayne Manor. Then the studios pushed for more and more Batman until we got what we got.
It still would have been garbage, there's no conflict for them, nothing building up there. Superman is a goon.
Snyder is basically Uwe Boll in my opinion. The only difference is Snyder actually makes good visuals, but they both deliver terrible movies.
Near unlimited budget and no qualms about cribbing stuff from the most popular issues/TPB of the last few decades and almost anyone can deliver good visuals.
Shut up, Mr. Burton! You were not brought upon this world to get it!
It still would have been garbage, there's no conflict for them, nothing building up there. Superman is a goon.
Snyder is basically Uwe Boll in my opinion. The only difference is Snyder actually makes good visuals, but they both deliver terrible movies.
Near unlimited budget and no qualms about cribbing stuff from the most popular issues/TPB of the last few decades and almost anyone can deliver good visuals.
I mean, kind of, but BvS still deserves props for its fight choreography. I was watching it back New Year's Eve on HBO and once you got past the moronic reasons for the fight, the fight scene between them was a pretty good rollercoaster. Timing, framing, the "weight" of the hits, it's good stuff. Then Batman pins Superman with the kryptonite spear and Superman shouts "he's going to kill Maaartha!" and bam, all that tension is gone.
It still would have been garbage, there's no conflict for them, nothing building up there. Superman is a goon.
Snyder is basically Uwe Boll in my opinion. The only difference is Snyder actually makes good visuals, but they both deliver terrible movies.
Hey man, me and a buddy went to watch every Uwe Boll video game movie we could because they're the deffinition of so bad it's good (Like seriously, his uncharted movie was so incompetently assembled that the deleted scenes and blooper features were switched) and I was happy to spend money on it.
Snyder on the other hand, cause me to audibly groan in the theater when the 4th fight scene/music video rolled around because I was so bored by the spectacle of athletic girls in festishwear doing choreographed fights where nothing was real and nothing actually mattered.
It still would have been garbage, there's no conflict for them, nothing building up there. Superman is a goon.
Snyder is basically Uwe Boll in my opinion. The only difference is Snyder actually makes good visuals, but they both deliver terrible movies.
Near unlimited budget and no qualms about cribbing stuff from the most popular issues/TPB of the last few decades and almost anyone can deliver good visuals.
I mean, kind of, but BvS still deserves props for its fight choreography. I was watching it back New Year's Eve on HBO and once you got past the moronic reasons for the fight, the fight scene between them was a pretty good rollercoaster. Timing, framing, the "weight" of the hits, it's good stuff. Then Batman pins Superman with the kryptonite spear and Superman shouts "he's going to kill Maaartha!" and bam, all that tension is gone.
Even if you ignore the reasons for the fight, the fight itself is unbearably dumb. Superman could have just held Batman down and explained things to him instead of throwing him around. How did Superman even know that Batman's armor can protect him from those hits? And Batman's weapons for fighting Superman were just idiotic. He could have just put Kryptonite bullets in those machine guns and Superman would be dead. Or he could have put Kryptonite in his gauntlets. And why the hell did he put the spear in some random building? Heck, why not start with the Kryptonite grenade instead of waiting for Superman to knock him around?
They could have just copied the animated Suicide Squad script, cut down Batman's role, stretched the other parts out a bit, and it would have turned out to be a much better movie.
And BvS could have just been Batman and Superman silently sitting in front of a TV watching the animated World's Finest, and it would have been a much better movie.
Seriously though, BvS's problems are entirely that they didn't really flesh out the characters for longer than 0 and 1 movies.
Like "The Batman" should've been right after MoS. MoS should've gotten a second movie where he learns about the ramifications of being a super man and what crazy destruction cost everyone and with the other half of the world worshiping him as a god (basically the beginning half of BvS) with him become more like the titular light in the dark character and realizing he just wants to help people.
Then give them a conflict. Have the US gov't after suicide squad start cracking down on Vigilante justice (Batman/Green Arrow/Flash) and have Batman become much more dark and him start ramping up his defensive arsenal since he's now involved with fighting the military and swat teams. Maybe switch Robin's death with Waller instead of Joker and make that be the point Batman loses his "no kill rule" and he kills the joker and starts become much more brutal. Show the gov't struggling to take on Batman to the point that they find out who he is but he had been prepping for that day for far longer.
Then they ask Superman to step in to stop him.
Mark this with the arrival of Darkseid's preliminary forces and the boomtubes, give them a reason to stop fighting each other that isn't hackneyed like "Doomsday" being zod 2. Then leave it off as them stopping them but this creates cyborg and Darkseid is pissed.
That's the other thing. Suicide Squad, in Justice League, that was a reaction to the fact a large group of meta-humans have an unassailable space stations with a powerful laser canon aimed at the earth and have been shown in an alternate reality to easily take over the earth, and the realization that the US had no defenses in place to take them on. That was a realistic motivation. Waller and Flag may have been morally gray and crossing the guys we were supposed to cheer for, but they had rational motivations we could understand and even agree with. They were patriots who genuinely believed they were acting in the best interests of the USA.
Suicide Squad, in the movie, is built as a reaction to... one alien who just popped up to defeat an alien invasion and has shown no hostile intentions towards Earth and has even appeared to a hearing when requested, and one vigilante who's an ordinary (if highly skilled and well-equipped) human and who has been operating for many years, again without showing any intention of threatening established order. The SS is a complete overreaction and unjustified. And their mission isn't to protect America, it's to... something about a witch's heart... that's all Waller's fault... I think.... Waller's not acting for the benefits of the USA in the end, she's looking out for herself.
They could have just copied the animated Suicide Squad script, cut down Batman's role, stretched the other parts out a bit, and it would have turned out to be a much better movie.
And BvS could have just been Batman and Superman silently sitting in front of a TV watching the animated World's Finest, and it would have been a much better movie.
Seriously though, BvS's problems are entirely that they didn't really flesh out the characters for longer than 0 and 1 movies.
Like "The Batman" should've been right after MoS. MoS should've gotten a second movie where he learns about the ramifications of being a super man and what crazy destruction cost everyone and with the other half of the world worshiping him as a god (basically the beginning half of BvS) with him become more like the titular light in the dark character and realizing he just wants to help people.
Then give them a conflict. Have the US gov't after suicide squad start cracking down on Vigilante justice (Batman/Green Arrow/Flash) and have Batman become much more dark and him start ramping up his defensive arsenal since he's now involved with fighting the military and swat teams. Maybe switch Robin's death with Waller instead of Joker and make that be the point Batman loses his "no kill rule" and he kills the joker and starts become much more brutal. Show the gov't struggling to take on Batman to the point that they find out who he is but he had been prepping for that day for far longer.
Then they ask Superman to step in to stop him.
Mark this with the arrival of Darkseid's preliminary forces and the boomtubes, give them a reason to stop fighting each other that isn't hackneyed like "Doomsday" being zod 2. Then leave it off as them stopping them but this creates cyborg and Darkseid is pissed.
That's the other thing. Suicide Squad, in Justice League, that was a reaction to the fact a large group of meta-humans have an unassailable space stations with a powerful laser canon aimed at the earth and have been shown in an alternate reality to easily take over the earth, and the realization that the US had no defenses in place to take them on. That was a realistic motivation. Waller and Flag may have been morally gray and crossing the guys we were supposed to cheer for, but they had rational motivations we could understand and even agree with. They were patriots who genuinely believed they were acting in the best interests of the USA.
Suicide Squad, in the movie, is built as a reaction to... one alien who just popped up to defeat an alien invasion and has shown no hostile intentions towards Earth and has even appeared to a hearing when requested, and one vigilante who's an ordinary (if highly skilled and well-equipped) human and who has been operating for many years, again without showing any intention of threatening established order. The SS is a complete overreaction and unjustified. And their mission isn't to protect America, it's to... something about a witch's heart... that's all Waller's fault... I think.... Waller's not acting for the benefits of the USA in the end, she's looking out for herself.
Also, as has been pointed out on numerous occasions, much of the squad would have been utterly worthelss for the purposes of fighting superman, given that the only things that seem to hurt him are either other kryptonians or kryptonite; outside of enchantress and maybe diablo, none of them would have been able to do sweet fuck all to supes.
The Task Force X episode of Justice League Unlimited is the perfect template for how to do a Suicide Squad "vs." Justice League movie. Don't have the Suicide Squad actually fight the Justice League, send them on a covert ops mission to steal something from the Justice League. And you have a great reversal of roles. The heroes are suddenly the "monsters" that the villains want to hide from because a single heavy hitter from the League could take the whole Squad down without breaking a sweat.
Has the Squad ever actually had to take down a member of the League?
Like, Martian Manhunter gets brainwashed or something and takes out the rest of the League, so the Squad has to stop him?
Has the Squad ever actually had to take down a member of the League?
Like, Martian Manhunter gets brainwashed or something and takes out the rest of the League, so the Squad has to stop him?
considering how Batman dispatches them so easily just by himself, imma say no, never
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Has the Squad ever actually had to take down a member of the League?
Like, Martian Manhunter gets brainwashed or something and takes out the rest of the League, so the Squad has to stop him?
considering how Batman dispatches them so easily just by himself, imma say no, never
Depends how you define winning.
In the comics, Waller managed to get Batman to back down. And, in the comics, they've had some serious heavy hitters. Lashina worked as part of the unit for a while. You know. The new god?
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That feels like something they could reference in the comics or animated shows at some point.
I wanna see Batman get nuts.
(Lego Batman could totally get nuts)
Most of the iterations of Lex's goons know shit he's doing is on the down low. Those guys weren't set up like mall cops or harbor security for when Batman took the Kryptonite, they were a god damned seal team.
Now that that movie's over, there's no reason to dwell on the repercussions of his actions.
Sure but in most of his iterations Bats doesn't kill folks because it is his moral bright line. Either we're dealing with most iterations or we have to deal with what we're shown. Lex is a weapons manufacturer here, that his high tech material transfers have seal teams guarding them isn't exactly absurd and certainly not so illegal it justifies murder on sight.
At that stage of the movie, what we've been shown of Lex is he likes Jolly Ranchers and circumvented some bureaucratic paperwork. That's halfway to President, not kill on sight.
They were the kind of mercs which you'd think the authorities would be keeping an eye on because they're literally twirling their mustaches.
Foreign nationals with a god damned heat seeking missile launcher for christ's sake.
This is his pattern, once he's done with a theme or a story he moves on and ignores the logical repercussions moving forward. These could be intriguing threads to build on and explore how the characters interact with each other and the world, we might get some improvement with Affleck and Johns involvement but this is still Snyder's playground and he'll do with his toys what he wants to.
Yeah, I could see this being done in Lego.
I'm actually kind of hoping that he goes full film school to spite the WB execs; use a single go pro that the actors are all handing off between shots and wearing costumes they got from value village in a ten minute short film that has a ton of shitty stock after effects things put into it. For extra douchebaggery do it all as one continuous shot even as you try and transfer the camera between camera men in order to establish wide shots, over the shoulder and reverse.
it'll probably be amazing
Instead of having the go pro passed between the actors, could we just duct tape it to a mannequin? It'd be a bit easier to handle then. Have the entire film shot from the POV of a gagged hostage being taken/held for ransom.
Naturally, there's a 45 minute section of near black screen where the camera is locked in a trunk while the other actors talk and the car is driven around town.
I would watch that but a live action version of the Trial episode from TAS.
The director's cut likely will. He better have that control in his contract or even that will end up like SS:DC.
On the one hand this could be amazing, on the other they'll probably screw him in the editing room like they allegedly did with Ayer.
edit: Ayer may not be the best director in the world but he's of a higher caliber than Snyder.
Suicide Squad's issues started with the script, which I believe was slapped together in like six weeks or something insane.
That would never happen since it would mean acknowledging the merits of an animated movie.
And BvS could have just been Batman and Superman silently sitting in front of a TV watching the animated World's Finest, and it would have been a much better movie.
Seriously though, BvS's problems are entirely that they didn't really flesh out the characters for longer than 0 and 1 movies.
Like "The Batman" should've been right after MoS. MoS should've gotten a second movie where he learns about the ramifications of being a super man and what crazy destruction cost everyone and with the other half of the world worshiping him as a god (basically the beginning half of BvS) with him become more like the titular light in the dark character and realizing he just wants to help people.
Then give them a conflict. Have the US gov't after suicide squad start cracking down on Vigilante justice (Batman/Green Arrow/Flash) and have Batman become much more dark and him start ramping up his defensive arsenal since he's now involved with fighting the military and swat teams. Maybe switch Robin's death with Waller instead of Joker and make that be the point Batman loses his "no kill rule" and he kills the joker and starts become much more brutal. Show the gov't struggling to take on Batman to the point that they find out who he is but he had been prepping for that day for far longer.
Then they ask Superman to step in to stop him.
Mark this with the arrival of Darkseid's preliminary forces and the boomtubes, give them a reason to stop fighting each other that isn't hackneyed like "Doomsday" being zod 2. Then leave it off as them stopping them but this creates cyborg and Darkseid is pissed.
Snyder is basically Uwe Boll in my opinion. The only difference is Snyder actually makes good visuals, but they both deliver terrible movies.
Near unlimited budget and no qualms about cribbing stuff from the most popular issues/TPB of the last few decades and almost anyone can deliver good visuals.
I mean, kind of, but BvS still deserves props for its fight choreography. I was watching it back New Year's Eve on HBO and once you got past the moronic reasons for the fight, the fight scene between them was a pretty good rollercoaster. Timing, framing, the "weight" of the hits, it's good stuff. Then Batman pins Superman with the kryptonite spear and Superman shouts "he's going to kill Maaartha!" and bam, all that tension is gone.
Hey man, me and a buddy went to watch every Uwe Boll video game movie we could because they're the deffinition of so bad it's good (Like seriously, his uncharted movie was so incompetently assembled that the deleted scenes and blooper features were switched) and I was happy to spend money on it.
Snyder on the other hand, cause me to audibly groan in the theater when the 4th fight scene/music video rolled around because I was so bored by the spectacle of athletic girls in festishwear doing choreographed fights where nothing was real and nothing actually mattered.
Even if you ignore the reasons for the fight, the fight itself is unbearably dumb. Superman could have just held Batman down and explained things to him instead of throwing him around. How did Superman even know that Batman's armor can protect him from those hits? And Batman's weapons for fighting Superman were just idiotic. He could have just put Kryptonite bullets in those machine guns and Superman would be dead. Or he could have put Kryptonite in his gauntlets. And why the hell did he put the spear in some random building? Heck, why not start with the Kryptonite grenade instead of waiting for Superman to knock him around?
That's the other thing. Suicide Squad, in Justice League, that was a reaction to the fact a large group of meta-humans have an unassailable space stations with a powerful laser canon aimed at the earth and have been shown in an alternate reality to easily take over the earth, and the realization that the US had no defenses in place to take them on. That was a realistic motivation. Waller and Flag may have been morally gray and crossing the guys we were supposed to cheer for, but they had rational motivations we could understand and even agree with. They were patriots who genuinely believed they were acting in the best interests of the USA.
Suicide Squad, in the movie, is built as a reaction to... one alien who just popped up to defeat an alien invasion and has shown no hostile intentions towards Earth and has even appeared to a hearing when requested, and one vigilante who's an ordinary (if highly skilled and well-equipped) human and who has been operating for many years, again without showing any intention of threatening established order. The SS is a complete overreaction and unjustified. And their mission isn't to protect America, it's to... something about a witch's heart... that's all Waller's fault... I think.... Waller's not acting for the benefits of the USA in the end, she's looking out for herself.
Also, as has been pointed out on numerous occasions, much of the squad would have been utterly worthelss for the purposes of fighting superman, given that the only things that seem to hurt him are either other kryptonians or kryptonite; outside of enchantress and maybe diablo, none of them would have been able to do sweet fuck all to supes.
Like, Martian Manhunter gets brainwashed or something and takes out the rest of the League, so the Squad has to stop him?
considering how Batman dispatches them so easily just by himself, imma say no, never
Depends how you define winning.
In the comics, Waller managed to get Batman to back down. And, in the comics, they've had some serious heavy hitters. Lashina worked as part of the unit for a while. You know. The new god?
Yeah.
Why I fear the ocean.