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  • SeñorAmorSeñorAmor !!! Registered User regular
    Entaru wrote: »
    Entaru wrote: »
    I will need to put in a firewall soon. I could home grow or I could just buy a box. Any recommendations?

    I have a limited budget of around $500 or so.

    You could just run pfsense on a computer with two nics.

    That was what I was most likely going to do but I figured if there was an appliance out there that was super great or something I am not against checking it out.

    Ubiquiti USG! :)

  • ThawmusThawmus +Jackface Registered User regular
    Entaru wrote: »
    Entaru wrote: »
    I will need to put in a firewall soon. I could home grow or I could just buy a box. Any recommendations?

    I have a limited budget of around $500 or so.

    You could just run pfsense on a computer with two nics.

    That was what I was most likely going to do but I figured if there was an appliance out there that was super great or something I am not against checking it out.

    Depends on what you need it for. I'd recommend either building a PfSense box or buying a Mikrotik CCR 1009, depending on your needs.

    Twitch: Thawmus83
    Seidkona
  • AiouaAioua Ora Occidens Ora OptimaRegistered User regular
    drums

    drums in the deep

    life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
    fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
    that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
    bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
    wunderbar
  • SeidkonaSeidkona Had an upgrade Registered User regular
    Thawmus wrote: »
    Entaru wrote: »
    Entaru wrote: »
    I will need to put in a firewall soon. I could home grow or I could just buy a box. Any recommendations?

    I have a limited budget of around $500 or so.

    You could just run pfsense on a computer with two nics.

    That was what I was most likely going to do but I figured if there was an appliance out there that was super great or something I am not against checking it out.

    Depends on what you need it for. I'd recommend either building a PfSense box or buying a Mikrotik CCR 1009, depending on your needs.

    Thanks!

    As much as I love Ubiquiti I'd rather go with something a little more hearty. The Mikrotik is looking to be the right box if I don't build out a pfsense machine.

    Mostly just huntin' monsters.
    XBL:Phenyhelm - 3DS:Phenyhelm
  • That_GuyThat_Guy I don't wanna be that guy Registered User regular
    Entaru wrote: »
    Thawmus wrote: »
    Entaru wrote: »
    Entaru wrote: »
    I will need to put in a firewall soon. I could home grow or I could just buy a box. Any recommendations?

    I have a limited budget of around $500 or so.

    You could just run pfsense on a computer with two nics.

    That was what I was most likely going to do but I figured if there was an appliance out there that was super great or something I am not against checking it out.

    Depends on what you need it for. I'd recommend either building a PfSense box or buying a Mikrotik CCR 1009, depending on your needs.

    Thanks!

    As much as I love Ubiquiti I'd rather go with something a little more hearty. The Mikrotik is looking to be the right box if I don't build out a pfsense machine.

    You can find used Cisco 1861s on ebay for around $150. I still use these all the time for my clients. Great thing about a REAL Cisco router is that it never really becomes obsolete.

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  • SeidkonaSeidkona Had an upgrade Registered User regular
    That_Guy wrote: »
    Entaru wrote: »
    Thawmus wrote: »
    Entaru wrote: »
    Entaru wrote: »
    I will need to put in a firewall soon. I could home grow or I could just buy a box. Any recommendations?

    I have a limited budget of around $500 or so.

    You could just run pfsense on a computer with two nics.

    That was what I was most likely going to do but I figured if there was an appliance out there that was super great or something I am not against checking it out.

    Depends on what you need it for. I'd recommend either building a PfSense box or buying a Mikrotik CCR 1009, depending on your needs.

    Thanks!

    As much as I love Ubiquiti I'd rather go with something a little more hearty. The Mikrotik is looking to be the right box if I don't build out a pfsense machine.

    You can find used Cisco 1861s on ebay for around $150. I still use these all the time for my clients. Great thing about a REAL Cisco router is that it never really becomes obsolete.

    I have two of them in my homelab.

    I had considered this option but even though I am on a budget and working for a medium npo here I'm not sure I want to run used equipment for it.

    Mostly just huntin' monsters.
    XBL:Phenyhelm - 3DS:Phenyhelm
  • That_GuyThat_Guy I don't wanna be that guy Registered User regular
    edited April 2017
    Entaru wrote: »
    That_Guy wrote: »
    Entaru wrote: »
    Thawmus wrote: »
    Entaru wrote: »
    Entaru wrote: »
    I will need to put in a firewall soon. I could home grow or I could just buy a box. Any recommendations?

    I have a limited budget of around $500 or so.

    You could just run pfsense on a computer with two nics.

    That was what I was most likely going to do but I figured if there was an appliance out there that was super great or something I am not against checking it out.

    Depends on what you need it for. I'd recommend either building a PfSense box or buying a Mikrotik CCR 1009, depending on your needs.

    Thanks!

    As much as I love Ubiquiti I'd rather go with something a little more hearty. The Mikrotik is looking to be the right box if I don't build out a pfsense machine.

    You can find used Cisco 1861s on ebay for around $150. I still use these all the time for my clients. Great thing about a REAL Cisco router is that it never really becomes obsolete.

    I have two of them in my homelab.

    I had considered this option but even though I am on a budget and working for a medium npo here I'm not sure I want to run used equipment for it.

    If used isn't up your alley, Cisco's ASA 5500-X series is quite nice. I've installed several 5506-Xs recently. The new GUI tool is very nice. Just keep in mind that the ASAs only have layer 3 ports (not switch ports) so you'll still need a switch. But they'll do automatic fail-over if you set it up. I usually see them going for around $400-$500

    That_Guy on
    steam_sig.png
    Seidkona
  • SeidkonaSeidkona Had an upgrade Registered User regular
    That_Guy wrote: »
    Entaru wrote: »
    That_Guy wrote: »
    Entaru wrote: »
    Thawmus wrote: »
    Entaru wrote: »
    Entaru wrote: »
    I will need to put in a firewall soon. I could home grow or I could just buy a box. Any recommendations?

    I have a limited budget of around $500 or so.

    You could just run pfsense on a computer with two nics.

    That was what I was most likely going to do but I figured if there was an appliance out there that was super great or something I am not against checking it out.

    Depends on what you need it for. I'd recommend either building a PfSense box or buying a Mikrotik CCR 1009, depending on your needs.

    Thanks!

    As much as I love Ubiquiti I'd rather go with something a little more hearty. The Mikrotik is looking to be the right box if I don't build out a pfsense machine.

    You can find used Cisco 1861s on ebay for around $150. I still use these all the time for my clients. Great thing about a REAL Cisco router is that it never really becomes obsolete.

    I have two of them in my homelab.

    I had considered this option but even though I am on a budget and working for a medium npo here I'm not sure I want to run used equipment for it.

    If used isn't up your alley, Cisco's ASA 5500-X series is quite nice. I've installed several 5506-Xs recently. The new GUI tool is very nice. Just keep in mind that the ASAs only have layer 3 ports (not switch ports) so you'll still need a switch. But they'll do automatic fail-over if you set it up. I usually see them going for around $400-$500

    Thanks for that. Those also look like some nice machines. I will add them to the list.

    I guess we were under contract and the boss thought we weren't so the who project is torpedoed until next February anyway.

    Hopefully I don't work here still.

    Mostly just huntin' monsters.
    XBL:Phenyhelm - 3DS:Phenyhelm
  • taliosfalcontaliosfalcon Registered User regular
    edited April 2017
    Entaru wrote: »
    Entaru wrote: »
    I will need to put in a firewall soon. I could home grow or I could just buy a box. Any recommendations?

    I have a limited budget of around $500 or so.

    You could just run pfsense on a computer with two nics.

    That was what I was most likely going to do but I figured if there was an appliance out there that was super great or something I am not against checking it out.

    Whatever you do, do not buy the pfsense prebuilt boxes. We did, and they are shit. And life sucks now.

    taliosfalcon on
    steam xbox - adeptpenguin
    wunderbarSeidkonaThawmus
  • ThawmusThawmus +Jackface Registered User regular
    Entaru wrote: »
    Thawmus wrote: »
    Entaru wrote: »
    Entaru wrote: »
    I will need to put in a firewall soon. I could home grow or I could just buy a box. Any recommendations?

    I have a limited budget of around $500 or so.

    You could just run pfsense on a computer with two nics.

    That was what I was most likely going to do but I figured if there was an appliance out there that was super great or something I am not against checking it out.

    Depends on what you need it for. I'd recommend either building a PfSense box or buying a Mikrotik CCR 1009, depending on your needs.

    Thanks!

    As much as I love Ubiquiti I'd rather go with something a little more hearty. The Mikrotik is looking to be the right box if I don't build out a pfsense machine.

    This is kinda always my problem. I love UBNT, but this is because I've been using their Broadband Wireless products for nearly a decade, and as a result, I prefer to use the stuff I know they're good at.

    Twitch: Thawmus83
  • SeidkonaSeidkona Had an upgrade Registered User regular
    Thawmus wrote: »
    Entaru wrote: »
    Thawmus wrote: »
    Entaru wrote: »
    Entaru wrote: »
    I will need to put in a firewall soon. I could home grow or I could just buy a box. Any recommendations?

    I have a limited budget of around $500 or so.

    You could just run pfsense on a computer with two nics.

    That was what I was most likely going to do but I figured if there was an appliance out there that was super great or something I am not against checking it out.

    Depends on what you need it for. I'd recommend either building a PfSense box or buying a Mikrotik CCR 1009, depending on your needs.

    Thanks!

    As much as I love Ubiquiti I'd rather go with something a little more hearty. The Mikrotik is looking to be the right box if I don't build out a pfsense machine.

    This is kinda always my problem. I love UBNT, but this is because I've been using their Broadband Wireless products for nearly a decade, and as a result, I prefer to use the stuff I know they're good at.

    and to be clear I have two UBNT AC's ready to go into service soon.

    They make great stuff just. . .There are better options when we're talking layer 2.

    Mostly just huntin' monsters.
    XBL:Phenyhelm - 3DS:Phenyhelm
  • ThawmusThawmus +Jackface Registered User regular
    Entaru wrote: »
    Thawmus wrote: »
    Entaru wrote: »
    Thawmus wrote: »
    Entaru wrote: »
    Entaru wrote: »
    I will need to put in a firewall soon. I could home grow or I could just buy a box. Any recommendations?

    I have a limited budget of around $500 or so.

    You could just run pfsense on a computer with two nics.

    That was what I was most likely going to do but I figured if there was an appliance out there that was super great or something I am not against checking it out.

    Depends on what you need it for. I'd recommend either building a PfSense box or buying a Mikrotik CCR 1009, depending on your needs.

    Thanks!

    As much as I love Ubiquiti I'd rather go with something a little more hearty. The Mikrotik is looking to be the right box if I don't build out a pfsense machine.

    This is kinda always my problem. I love UBNT, but this is because I've been using their Broadband Wireless products for nearly a decade, and as a result, I prefer to use the stuff I know they're good at.

    and to be clear I have two UBNT AC's ready to go into service soon.

    They make great stuff just. . .There are better options when we're talking layer 2.

    I will say that I've been very happy with the EdgeSwitch. But when it comes to tower sites, they have.....no solution anymore. The Toughswitch had loads of problems and great features, but they've all but discontinued it and have replaced it with.....nothing. I've been using Netonix switches, which are great, don't get me wrong, it's just a little sad that UBNT dropped that ball. To say nothing of the fact that they still don't have a non-beta management piece.

    It's a little frustrating in the face of all this UniFi development, and how well the Controller software runs.

    Twitch: Thawmus83
  • jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    Oh my favorite thing to see when using MWB Chameleon.

    td1ie686fdr5.png

  • FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD interior crocodile alligator ⇔ ǝɹʇɐǝɥʇ ǝᴉʌoɯ ʇǝloɹʌǝɥɔ ɐ ǝʌᴉɹp ᴉRegistered User regular
    That_Guy wrote: »
    Entaru wrote: »
    That_Guy wrote: »
    Entaru wrote: »
    Thawmus wrote: »
    Entaru wrote: »
    Entaru wrote: »
    I will need to put in a firewall soon. I could home grow or I could just buy a box. Any recommendations?

    I have a limited budget of around $500 or so.

    You could just run pfsense on a computer with two nics.

    That was what I was most likely going to do but I figured if there was an appliance out there that was super great or something I am not against checking it out.

    Depends on what you need it for. I'd recommend either building a PfSense box or buying a Mikrotik CCR 1009, depending on your needs.

    Thanks!

    As much as I love Ubiquiti I'd rather go with something a little more hearty. The Mikrotik is looking to be the right box if I don't build out a pfsense machine.

    You can find used Cisco 1861s on ebay for around $150. I still use these all the time for my clients. Great thing about a REAL Cisco router is that it never really becomes obsolete.

    I have two of them in my homelab.

    I had considered this option but even though I am on a budget and working for a medium npo here I'm not sure I want to run used equipment for it.

    If used isn't up your alley, Cisco's ASA 5500-X series is quite nice. I've installed several 5506-Xs recently. The new GUI tool is very nice. Just keep in mind that the ASAs only have layer 3 ports (not switch ports) so you'll still need a switch. But they'll do automatic fail-over if you set it up. I usually see them going for around $400-$500

    The next gen application-layer "Firepower" stuff is weird tho. We evaluated them last year and cut them out of the short list because of setup and management problems.

    Firepower is literally a Sourcefire VM that runs on the ASA and you have to route traffic from one internal interface to the VM virtual interface and back out for it to work. Managing Sourcefire is a whole different pane of glass from managing the ASA. But don't worry, they will sell you a management platform for that (which is another VM).

    The Cisco employee who helped us with the proof of concept struggled with the Firepower configuration. He was somebody who came from the Sourcefire acquisition and kept saying stuff like "oh, sorry, Cisco changed this from my Sourcefire days"

    It just didn't feel integrated at all.

    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
  • FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD interior crocodile alligator ⇔ ǝɹʇɐǝɥʇ ǝᴉʌoɯ ʇǝloɹʌǝɥɔ ɐ ǝʌᴉɹp ᴉRegistered User regular
    If you don't care about "next-gen" application-layer features then none of that matters.

    All the ASA stuff works like the old ASA you know and "love."

    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
    That_Guy
  • AiouaAioua Ora Occidens Ora OptimaRegistered User regular
    ok my favorite problem so far today

    user has both Office 2010 and 2016 installed for... some reason
    Uses 2010 daily for everything. Doesn't use 2016 or have shortcuts for it.
    BitTitan does the migration, only applied to 2016, launches 2016 outlook when it finishes and user is on the new domain
    User closes outlook and goes to lunch.
    Comes back, opens 2010 which wasn't migrated.
    Proceeds to send freakout email about how all her new mail and new outlook has been DELETED

    life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
    fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
    that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
    bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
    FeralTL DR
  • Mr_RoseMr_Rose 83 Blue Ridge Protects the Holy Registered User regular
    Here's a fun one: user works from home by using a VPN to RDP to their work desktop.
    This all works fine; the actual functionality is not the issue.

    The problem is the shortcut to the saved RDP file on the laptop; when executed it pops up a security warning saying the document is outside their local network and can't be trusted.

    What gives?

    The RDP file itself is fine when run from its actual location but not the shortcut to the same file. Neither are blocked.

    Eventually gave the user a shortcut to the folder containing the actual file because I'm not going to poke the clients horrendous mess of group policies lest it rise against its tormentors. Not just to track down* and disable one user's desktop redirection.


    * N.B. Domain is 2003-based. Group Policy Management hasn't been invented yet.

    ...because dragons are AWESOME! That's why.
    Nintendo Network ID: AzraelRose
    DropBox invite link - get 500MB extra free.
  • FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD interior crocodile alligator ⇔ ǝɹʇɐǝɥʇ ǝᴉʌoɯ ʇǝloɹʌǝɥɔ ɐ ǝʌᴉɹp ᴉRegistered User regular
    Mr_Rose wrote: »
    Here's a fun one: user works from home by using a VPN to RDP to their work desktop.
    This all works fine; the actual functionality is not the issue.

    The problem is the shortcut to the saved RDP file on the laptop; when executed it pops up a security warning saying the document is outside their local network and can't be trusted.

    What gives?

    The RDP file itself is fine when run from its actual location but not the shortcut to the same file. Neither are blocked.

    Eventually gave the user a shortcut to the folder containing the actual file because I'm not going to poke the clients horrendous mess of group policies lest it rise against its tormentors. Not just to track down* and disable one user's desktop redirection.


    * N.B. Domain is 2003-based. Group Policy Management hasn't been invented yet.

    Try adding the FQDN for your domain to Internet Explorer's Local Intranet zone. Yes, Internet Explorer - even though MSIE isn't involved here, that's still where Windows checks to see if a location is trusted for the purposes of opening a shortcut.

    localintranet2.png

    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
    RandomHajilebowen
  • RandomHajileRandomHajile Not actually a Snatcher The New KremlinRegistered User regular
    wunderbar wrote: »
    printer won't print in colour for any users

    Printer preferences on the server don't even show options for colour

    delete printer driver from server

    install the exact same printer driver, assign it to printer

    Printer now presents options for printing in colour.
    Some drivers have that "detect settings from printer" thing, so that may have worked. I've had to do that a couple times with our Canon copiers.

  • AiouaAioua Ora Occidens Ora OptimaRegistered User regular
    Always

    Be

    Referencing Hosts via Fully Qualified Domain Names

    life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
    fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
    that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
    bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
    InfidelbowenFeraldonavannjThawmusTL DRf3rret
  • ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    Oh my favorite thing to see when using MWB Chameleon.

    td1ie686fdr5.png

    What was the big stuff that required chameleon? I've only ever had to run it a few times.

    Also had one that even chameleon wouldn't run on. The malware that was installed just nuked the executable every time I moved it over. I had to download it on my computer, rename the executable, and run it from a flash drive.

    WiiU: Windrunner ; Guild Wars 2: Shadowfire.3940 ; PSN: Bradcopter
  • FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD interior crocodile alligator ⇔ ǝɹʇɐǝɥʇ ǝᴉʌoɯ ʇǝloɹʌǝɥɔ ɐ ǝʌᴉɹp ᴉRegistered User regular
    I send out a company-wide email with external links.

    A few people reply to the email asking me if my email is legit.

    That's cute, but I really do appreciate the attempt. E for Effort.

    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
  • wunderbarwunderbar What Have I Done? Registered User regular
    So, i'm pretty sure my boss literally does not understand the concept of virtual infrastructure. He's pointing at a 4 year old design document saying that SQL should be on a different physical server than [pick a service, say sharepoint] as justification that a VM running SQL needs to be on a completely separate virtual host cluster than the sharepoint VM. Not just a different host machine, a different cluster.

    2 of us cannot convince him otherwise. I'm kind of losing my mind.

    XBL: thewunderbar PSN: thewunderbar NNID: thewunderbar Steam: wunderbar87 Twitter: wunderbar
    FeralRandomHajile
  • wunderbarwunderbar What Have I Done? Registered User regular
    Aioua wrote: »
    Always

    Be

    Referencing Hosts via Fully Qualified Domain Names

    nah. Just write it into the hosts table and be done with it.

    XBL: thewunderbar PSN: thewunderbar NNID: thewunderbar Steam: wunderbar87 Twitter: wunderbar
    Shadowfire
  • InfidelInfidel Heretic Registered User regular
    wunderbar wrote: »
    So, i'm pretty sure my boss literally does not understand the concept of virtual infrastructure. He's pointing at a 4 year old design document saying that SQL should be on a different physical server than [pick a service, say sharepoint] as justification that a VM running SQL needs to be on a completely separate virtual host cluster than the sharepoint VM. Not just a different host machine, a different cluster.

    2 of us cannot convince him otherwise. I'm kind of losing my mind.

    Does it actually say "different physical server" instead of "different host" or such? That's an unfortunate mistake if so.

    OrokosPA.png
  • jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    Shadowfire wrote: »
    Oh my favorite thing to see when using MWB Chameleon.

    td1ie686fdr5.png

    What was the big stuff that required chameleon?.

    I.
    Will.
    Give.
    You.
    One.
    Just one.
    Fucking.
    Guess.

    ShadowfireThawmus
  • Bendery It Like BeckhamBendery It Like Beckham Hopeless Registered User regular
    I'll give you two guesses, but only if you buy it from my website and use this totally not malware guess printer app!

  • SeñorAmorSeñorAmor !!! Registered User regular
    Shadowfire wrote: »
    Oh my favorite thing to see when using MWB Chameleon.

    td1ie686fdr5.png

    What was the big stuff that required chameleon?.

    I.
    Will.
    Give.
    You.
    One.
    Just one.
    Fucking.
    Guess.

    Coupon app?

    ThawmusFeral
  • jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    SeñorAmor wrote: »
    Shadowfire wrote: »
    Oh my favorite thing to see when using MWB Chameleon.

    td1ie686fdr5.png

    What was the big stuff that required chameleon?.

    I.
    Will.
    Give.
    You.
    One.
    Just one.
    Fucking.
    Guess.

    Coupon app?

    Ding ding ding

    Tell him what he's won, Johnny.

    ThawmusRandomHajileFeralTL DRAegisDonovan Puppyfucker
  • Mr_RoseMr_Rose 83 Blue Ridge Protects the Holy Registered User regular
    SeñorAmor wrote: »
    Shadowfire wrote: »
    Oh my favorite thing to see when using MWB Chameleon.

    td1ie686fdr5.png

    What was the big stuff that required chameleon?.

    I.
    Will.
    Give.
    You.
    One.
    Just one.
    Fucking.
    Guess.

    Coupon app?

    Ding ding ding

    Tell him what he's won, Johnny.

    Three coupon apps. All for the same store.

    ...because dragons are AWESOME! That's why.
    Nintendo Network ID: AzraelRose
    DropBox invite link - get 500MB extra free.
    jungleroomxwunderbarFeral
  • wunderbarwunderbar What Have I Done? Registered User regular
    Infidel wrote: »
    wunderbar wrote: »
    So, i'm pretty sure my boss literally does not understand the concept of virtual infrastructure. He's pointing at a 4 year old design document saying that SQL should be on a different physical server than [pick a service, say sharepoint] as justification that a VM running SQL needs to be on a completely separate virtual host cluster than the sharepoint VM. Not just a different host machine, a different cluster.

    2 of us cannot convince him otherwise. I'm kind of losing my mind.

    Does it actually say "different physical server" instead of "different host" or such? That's an unfortunate mistake if so.

    No, see, this is the bitch of it. to him different physical server and different host are one and the same. He literally does not understand the concept of virtualisation. We tried to tell him that when they mean different physical server, that was from before VM's were common, and what it means in modern sense is "not on the same OS install"

    He. Doesn't. Get. It.

    XBL: thewunderbar PSN: thewunderbar NNID: thewunderbar Steam: wunderbar87 Twitter: wunderbar
    InfidelRandomHajile
  • SeidkonaSeidkona Had an upgrade Registered User regular
    wunderbar wrote: »
    Infidel wrote: »
    wunderbar wrote: »
    So, i'm pretty sure my boss literally does not understand the concept of virtual infrastructure. He's pointing at a 4 year old design document saying that SQL should be on a different physical server than [pick a service, say sharepoint] as justification that a VM running SQL needs to be on a completely separate virtual host cluster than the sharepoint VM. Not just a different host machine, a different cluster.

    2 of us cannot convince him otherwise. I'm kind of losing my mind.

    Does it actually say "different physical server" instead of "different host" or such? That's an unfortunate mistake if so.

    No, see, this is the bitch of it. to him different physical server and different host are one and the same. He literally does not understand the concept of virtualisation. We tried to tell him that when they mean different physical server, that was from before VM's were common, and what it means in modern sense is "not on the same OS install"

    He. Doesn't. Get. It.

    Have you tried something like some marbles and a Tupperware container to try and get the point across?

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  • wunderbarwunderbar What Have I Done? Registered User regular
    Entaru wrote: »
    wunderbar wrote: »
    Infidel wrote: »
    wunderbar wrote: »
    So, i'm pretty sure my boss literally does not understand the concept of virtual infrastructure. He's pointing at a 4 year old design document saying that SQL should be on a different physical server than [pick a service, say sharepoint] as justification that a VM running SQL needs to be on a completely separate virtual host cluster than the sharepoint VM. Not just a different host machine, a different cluster.

    2 of us cannot convince him otherwise. I'm kind of losing my mind.

    Does it actually say "different physical server" instead of "different host" or such? That's an unfortunate mistake if so.

    No, see, this is the bitch of it. to him different physical server and different host are one and the same. He literally does not understand the concept of virtualisation. We tried to tell him that when they mean different physical server, that was from before VM's were common, and what it means in modern sense is "not on the same OS install"

    He. Doesn't. Get. It.

    Have you tried something like some marbles and a Tupperware container to try and get the point across?

    That'd probably get me fired. :sad:

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  • SeidkonaSeidkona Had an upgrade Registered User regular
    wunderbar wrote: »
    Entaru wrote: »
    wunderbar wrote: »
    Infidel wrote: »
    wunderbar wrote: »
    So, i'm pretty sure my boss literally does not understand the concept of virtual infrastructure. He's pointing at a 4 year old design document saying that SQL should be on a different physical server than [pick a service, say sharepoint] as justification that a VM running SQL needs to be on a completely separate virtual host cluster than the sharepoint VM. Not just a different host machine, a different cluster.

    2 of us cannot convince him otherwise. I'm kind of losing my mind.

    Does it actually say "different physical server" instead of "different host" or such? That's an unfortunate mistake if so.

    No, see, this is the bitch of it. to him different physical server and different host are one and the same. He literally does not understand the concept of virtualisation. We tried to tell him that when they mean different physical server, that was from before VM's were common, and what it means in modern sense is "not on the same OS install"

    He. Doesn't. Get. It.

    Have you tried something like some marbles and a Tupperware container to try and get the point across?

    That'd probably get me fired. :sad:

    I guess but I think virtualization would be a pretty handy concept for him to understand going forward.

    You'd be doing the guy a favor.

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  • wunderbarwunderbar What Have I Done? Registered User regular
    edited April 2017
    Entaru wrote: »
    wunderbar wrote: »
    Entaru wrote: »
    wunderbar wrote: »
    Infidel wrote: »
    wunderbar wrote: »
    So, i'm pretty sure my boss literally does not understand the concept of virtual infrastructure. He's pointing at a 4 year old design document saying that SQL should be on a different physical server than [pick a service, say sharepoint] as justification that a VM running SQL needs to be on a completely separate virtual host cluster than the sharepoint VM. Not just a different host machine, a different cluster.

    2 of us cannot convince him otherwise. I'm kind of losing my mind.

    Does it actually say "different physical server" instead of "different host" or such? That's an unfortunate mistake if so.

    No, see, this is the bitch of it. to him different physical server and different host are one and the same. He literally does not understand the concept of virtualisation. We tried to tell him that when they mean different physical server, that was from before VM's were common, and what it means in modern sense is "not on the same OS install"

    He. Doesn't. Get. It.

    Have you tried something like some marbles and a Tupperware container to try and get the point across?

    That'd probably get me fired. :sad:

    I guess but I think virtualization would be a pretty handy concept for him to understand going forward.

    You'd be doing the guy a favor.

    oh believe me. what was supposed to be a half hour meeting yesterday turned into 2 hours of 2 of us trying to explain high density high availability VM infrastructure to him, to no avail.

    I should point out that in our server room we have approximately 22 single purpose physical servers, and 2 of them were purchased since I started here 4 months ago.

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  • SeidkonaSeidkona Had an upgrade Registered User regular
    wunderbar wrote: »
    Entaru wrote: »
    wunderbar wrote: »
    Entaru wrote: »
    wunderbar wrote: »
    Infidel wrote: »
    wunderbar wrote: »
    So, i'm pretty sure my boss literally does not understand the concept of virtual infrastructure. He's pointing at a 4 year old design document saying that SQL should be on a different physical server than [pick a service, say sharepoint] as justification that a VM running SQL needs to be on a completely separate virtual host cluster than the sharepoint VM. Not just a different host machine, a different cluster.

    2 of us cannot convince him otherwise. I'm kind of losing my mind.

    Does it actually say "different physical server" instead of "different host" or such? That's an unfortunate mistake if so.

    No, see, this is the bitch of it. to him different physical server and different host are one and the same. He literally does not understand the concept of virtualisation. We tried to tell him that when they mean different physical server, that was from before VM's were common, and what it means in modern sense is "not on the same OS install"

    He. Doesn't. Get. It.

    Have you tried something like some marbles and a Tupperware container to try and get the point across?

    That'd probably get me fired. :sad:

    I guess but I think virtualization would be a pretty handy concept for him to understand going forward.

    You'd be doing the guy a favor.

    oh believe me. what was supposed to be a half hour meeting yesterday turned into 2 hours of 2 of us trying to explain high density high availability VM infrastructure to him, to no avail.

    I should point out that in our server room we have approximately 22 single purpose physical servers, and 2 of them were purchased since I started here 4 months ago.

    I'm sorry.

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  • wunderbarwunderbar What Have I Done? Registered User regular
    So I mean, if anyone has any resources/white papers they know of where it explicitly states that you can run every VM on the same Virtual Host Cluster and that's fine and a "best practice" Please, for the love of god point me to it.

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  • InfidelInfidel Heretic Registered User regular
    wunderbar wrote: »
    So I mean, if anyone has any resources/white papers they know of where it explicitly states that you can run every VM on the same Virtual Host Cluster and that's fine and a "best practice" Please, for the love of god point me to it.

    Wouldn't any VM white paper cover that since that's the entire point of virtualization?

    VMs let you pool your resources and allocate dynamically so that you don't have a bunch of idle space heaters...

    Surely there is a VM 101 article that you can forward. If he still doesn't get it, well, move on with the project his way and look for another job if it's going to drive you insane? >_>

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  • wunderbarwunderbar What Have I Done? Registered User regular
    Infidel wrote: »
    wunderbar wrote: »
    So I mean, if anyone has any resources/white papers they know of where it explicitly states that you can run every VM on the same Virtual Host Cluster and that's fine and a "best practice" Please, for the love of god point me to it.

    Wouldn't any VM white paper cover that since that's the entire point of virtualization?

    VMs let you pool your resources and allocate dynamically so that you don't have a bunch of idle space heaters...

    Surely there is a VM 101 article that you can forward. If he still doesn't get it, well, move on with the project his way and look for another job if it's going to drive you insane? >_>

    See, hilarioulsy white papers written I think just basically assume this. It doesn't really need to be stated.

    The thing is I love this employer. The salary and benefits are great, my co-workers are fantastic, and I can say that this is a great place to work. My boss is just..... older and doesn't really get modern things that well, and doesn't seem to take disagreement well.

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  • SeidkonaSeidkona Had an upgrade Registered User regular
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