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  • General_ArmchairGeneral_Armchair Registered User regular
    Animated swords are hardly new. I'm honestly surprised that pokemon took this long to get to that trope.

    If you want to look at badly designed pokemon, the worst ones off the top of my head are garbador and heatran. One is a pile of trash and the other is literally some shit.

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    I don't mind garbodor as much since it's just pokedex filler, but heatran has such busted stats that I'm forced to see it and its chunky bits of corn all the time.

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  • Steel AngelSteel Angel Registered User regular
    Nobeard wrote: »
    Dunsparce confused the hell out of me first time I saw it.

    I think Durnspace is based on some weird Japanese folklore snake. It's not exactly impressive in folklore either.

    Big Dookie wrote: »
    I found that tilting it doesn't work very well, and once I started jerking it, I got much better results.

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  • WingedWeaselWingedWeasel Registered User regular
    my issue with garbador is that muk already exists. i get that one is industrial runoff (or something) and the other is an animated landfill, but they feel redundant.

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  • RamiRami Registered User regular
    Real life is like that though. It's not like there's only one type of fish, or one type of fungus.

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  • Grape ApeGrape Ape Registered User regular
    Zetx wrote: »
    These QR codes (from the Global Mission page) are worth 20 points so you can catch 2 Island Scan Pokemon per day:

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    There's also this QR code that is worth 20 points and is for the Magearna distribution if you've finished the Elite 4:

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    Is there a time limit on the magearna QR code? I didn't put as much time into this as I'd meant to over vacation...

  • WingedWeaselWingedWeasel Registered User regular
    edited December 2016
    Rami wrote: »
    Real life is like that though. It's not like there's only one type of fish, or one type of fungus.

    true, and i don't have a problem with redundant stuff inherently (i mean there are tons of examples already), but i dunno if garbador is necessary. overall i don't really mind it. i have more issues with other pokemon

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  • CesareBCesareB Registered User regular
    Honestly my least favorite are Plusle and Minun. The other clones at least try to be a LITTLE different from pikachu. Here's one that flies! Here's one with a bushy tail! Here's one that's a ball! But not Plusle and Minun, no, they're just pikachu but Wal-mart brand. And there are 2 of them! Ugh.

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  • EnigmedicEnigmedic Registered User regular
    Wasnt their whole thing supposed to show off double battles though?

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  • CesareBCesareB Registered User regular
    Enigmedic wrote: »
    Wasnt their whole thing supposed to show off double battles though?

    Probably? That doesn't excuse just skipping the part where they come up with a new design.

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  • Steel AngelSteel Angel Registered User regular
    CesareB wrote: »
    Enigmedic wrote: »
    Wasnt their whole thing supposed to show off double battles though?

    Probably? That doesn't excuse just skipping the part where they come up with a new design.

    Ruby and Sapphire often are regarded as the worst entries in the series for many reasons including many of the designs.

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    I found that tilting it doesn't work very well, and once I started jerking it, I got much better results.

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  • EnigmedicEnigmedic Registered User regular
    Pokemon is just so bloated with crap now. Since every gen has a good number of crapmon, combined together there are just sooo many bad pokemon outweighing the good ones. Like every gen needs a crappy route 1 thing, which is where we get lillipup, yungoose, etc. We need a useless bird, so hoothoot, pidove, pikipek, talonflame's 1st form. having muk and garbodar in the same game is almost infuriating. All of the pikachu clones are pretty bad, with pikachu itself not even really being interesting to me, though I do like both forms of raichu.

    And those are just a few examples of crap compounding every gen, how awesome is it that I have 2 different sets of plates for only 2 different pokemon?! Especially since 1 of them is not even able to be in the game yet. sort of another useless set of items are the discs for genesect who also is unavailable.

    It's kind of hard to only nitpick the electric squirrelrats without looking at all the other weird relics that continue every generation. I kind of wish they would just start a 2nd pokemon line that is set in the future or past far enough that stuff would go extinct or hasn't even been created yet. Scaling down and streamlining would be a dream, but the existence of pokebank makes the possibility basically zero without making an offshoot game.

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  • General_ArmchairGeneral_Armchair Registered User regular
    Mimikyu is the best pikachu clone.

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  • ArchsorcererArchsorcerer Registered User regular
    Dang, Poni island trainers are tough.

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  • ZetxZetx 🐧 Registered User regular
    Grape Ape wrote: »
    Zetx wrote: »
    These QR codes (from the Global Mission page) are worth 20 points so you can catch 2 Island Scan Pokemon per day:

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    There's also this QR code that is worth 20 points and is for the Magearna distribution if you've finished the Elite 4:

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    Is there a time limit on the magearna QR code? I didn't put as much time into this as I'd meant to over vacation...

    From everything I've read, as long as you have access to the QR code, you can acquire Magearna.

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  • CesareBCesareB Registered User regular
    Enigmedic wrote: »
    Pokemon is just so bloated with crap now. Since every gen has a good number of crapmon, combined together there are just sooo many bad pokemon outweighing the good ones. Like every gen needs a crappy route 1 thing, which is where we get lillipup, yungoose, etc. We need a useless bird, so hoothoot, pidove, pikipek, talonflame's 1st form. having muk and garbodar in the same game is almost infuriating. All of the pikachu clones are pretty bad, with pikachu itself not even really being interesting to me, though I do like both forms of raichu.

    And those are just a few examples of crap compounding every gen, how awesome is it that I have 2 different sets of plates for only 2 different pokemon?! Especially since 1 of them is not even able to be in the game yet. sort of another useless set of items are the discs for genesect who also is unavailable.

    It's kind of hard to only nitpick the electric squirrelrats without looking at all the other weird relics that continue every generation. I kind of wish they would just start a 2nd pokemon line that is set in the future or past far enough that stuff would go extinct or hasn't even been created yet. Scaling down and streamlining would be a dream, but the existence of pokebank makes the possibility basically zero without making an offshoot game.

    Lillipup -> Stoutland is legit, the route 1 garbage normal type of that gen is Patrat -> Watchog.

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  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    CesareB wrote: »
    Enigmedic wrote: »
    Pokemon is just so bloated with crap now. Since every gen has a good number of crapmon, combined together there are just sooo many bad pokemon outweighing the good ones. Like every gen needs a crappy route 1 thing, which is where we get lillipup, yungoose, etc. We need a useless bird, so hoothoot, pidove, pikipek, talonflame's 1st form. having muk and garbodar in the same game is almost infuriating. All of the pikachu clones are pretty bad, with pikachu itself not even really being interesting to me, though I do like both forms of raichu.

    And those are just a few examples of crap compounding every gen, how awesome is it that I have 2 different sets of plates for only 2 different pokemon?! Especially since 1 of them is not even able to be in the game yet. sort of another useless set of items are the discs for genesect who also is unavailable.

    It's kind of hard to only nitpick the electric squirrelrats without looking at all the other weird relics that continue every generation. I kind of wish they would just start a 2nd pokemon line that is set in the future or past far enough that stuff would go extinct or hasn't even been created yet. Scaling down and streamlining would be a dream, but the existence of pokebank makes the possibility basically zero without making an offshoot game.

    Lillipup -> Stoutland is legit, the route 1 garbage normal type of that gen is Patrat -> Watchog.

    Yep. 85/90/90 bulk and 110 attack. Nice bit of smash face there. Even has a decent 80 in speed.

    It's got a nice movepool this gen too, don't recall the original. But the base stats alone make it strong for the story.

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  • CesareBCesareB Registered User regular
    Polaritie wrote: »
    CesareB wrote: »
    Enigmedic wrote: »
    Pokemon is just so bloated with crap now. Since every gen has a good number of crapmon, combined together there are just sooo many bad pokemon outweighing the good ones. Like every gen needs a crappy route 1 thing, which is where we get lillipup, yungoose, etc. We need a useless bird, so hoothoot, pidove, pikipek, talonflame's 1st form. having muk and garbodar in the same game is almost infuriating. All of the pikachu clones are pretty bad, with pikachu itself not even really being interesting to me, though I do like both forms of raichu.

    And those are just a few examples of crap compounding every gen, how awesome is it that I have 2 different sets of plates for only 2 different pokemon?! Especially since 1 of them is not even able to be in the game yet. sort of another useless set of items are the discs for genesect who also is unavailable.

    It's kind of hard to only nitpick the electric squirrelrats without looking at all the other weird relics that continue every generation. I kind of wish they would just start a 2nd pokemon line that is set in the future or past far enough that stuff would go extinct or hasn't even been created yet. Scaling down and streamlining would be a dream, but the existence of pokebank makes the possibility basically zero without making an offshoot game.

    Lillipup -> Stoutland is legit, the route 1 garbage normal type of that gen is Patrat -> Watchog.

    Yep. 85/90/90 bulk and 110 attack. Nice bit of smash face there. Even has a decent 80 in speed.

    It's got a nice movepool this gen too, don't recall the original. But the base stats alone make it strong for the story.

    Also has Sand Rush so manages to find a (small but noteworthy) niche beyond a story playthrough. Intimidate is solid too but finds too much competition from Salamence/Arcanine/Gyarados/Krookodile. Might be worth trying though as fighting types are kind of rare given how much danger they face from the Tapus.

  • VyolynceVyolynce Registered User regular
    my issue with garbador is that muk already exists. i get that one is industrial runoff (or something) and the other is an animated landfill, but they feel redundant.

    Except Garbador made its debut in Black/White, which had the gimmick of all-new mons pre-E4. A lot of redundant mons were ushered into the world for the Unova 250 or whatever.

    Such as:
    CesareB wrote: »

    Lillipup -> Stoutland is legit, the route 1 garbage normal type of that gen is Patrat -> Watchog.

    Yeah Patrat = Unova Rattata pretty clearly.



    Does anyone else find it odd that you can change your team in the middle of a Battle Tree run? If you "take a break", you can submit a completely different set of mons when you continue.

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  • MolybdenumMolybdenum Registered User regular
    For the amount of hassle it is I feel like Battle Tree should give you at least double the BP payout. Really wish there some intermediary thing between the no-limits story battles and the restricted format to ease you into the kind of stuff you need to spend a few hours breeding for

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  • DrascinDrascin Registered User regular
    Question: Does the Battle Tree's level setting apply EVs? Because I just berried and EV trained a level 70 pokemon, and if I can put it into the Tree without having to level it up it would be pretty nice.

    On similar news, is there any reasonable way to level somethig to 100 for Hyper training in this game? My story team generally has proper natures but bad IVs, but I'd like to keep using them if possible, and I have half a dozen golden bottlecaps, soooo...

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  • VahraanVahraan Registered User regular
    Drascin wrote: »
    Question: Does the Battle Tree's level setting apply EVs? Because I just berried and EV trained a level 70 pokemon, and if I can put it into the Tree without having to level it up it would be pretty nice.

    On similar news, is there any reasonable way to level somethig to 100 for Hyper training in this game? My story team generally has proper natures but bad IVs, but I'd like to keep using them if possible, and I have half a dozen golden bottlecaps, soooo...

    Get to level 30 (iirc) in festival plaza, get a couple rare kitchens and at least one 5 star one (you can install them if you ask a visitor who has one in their first slot). When you hit 30,they open up the hidden option. Any rank will do +7 levels below 79 or something for 100 fc 1/day. A 5star also has +9 lvls for 300-500 fc for stuff below 89. Get something to 89 using the other kitchens/e4/rare candy. Use the 5 star kitchen and hit 98, 2 more rare candy or just a bit more grinding and voila!

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  • TurambarTurambar Independent Registered User regular
    Drascin wrote: »
    Question: Does the Battle Tree's level setting apply EVs? Because I just berried and EV trained a level 70 pokemon, and if I can put it into the Tree without having to level it up it would be pretty nice.

    EVs have been applied immediately for a few generations now, no need to level up for them to take effect

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  • BlackjackBlackjack Registered User regular
    Dear Feebas,

    I just want to love you. I promise I'm not going to beat you within an inch of your life then shove you into a tiny ball, then shove that tiny ball into a computer for the rest of your unnatural existence.

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  • NobeardNobeard North Carolina: Failed StateRegistered User regular
    edited January 2017
    I tried catching a feebas for the longest time. I got two to pop up and killed them both. I eventually GTSed it with little trouble, which I do not consider cheating as trading is one of the core design principles of pokemon. Speaking of which, Wonder Trade is pretty good right now, got a Jangmo-o breeding reject. Even though I'm not breeding I'm trying to send out pokes that are more than garbage. I caught a ton of Abra last night as I hunted for Pikachu and send those out. Abra has a kind of crazy spawn rate at night, I was easily seeing two-three in a row. That + stash of quick balls means I have a few of them saved up.

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  • NobeardNobeard North Carolina: Failed StateRegistered User regular
    Why are people piling on the early normal type mammalian pokes? Yea they ain't strong or anything, but they add depth and flavor to the pokeverse. They may indeed be filler, but they are not difficult to catch. Sentret and Bibarel are good designs too. I definitely would have one of them tag along as a non-combat companion if I could.

    Garbodor is dead sexy and I will not stand for it being besmirched. He also fits perfectly with the rules of the pokevers. Inanimate objects magically turn into pokemon all the time, pollution included. Dunsparce is not a bad or uninteresting poke, it was just weird to me until I learned about the Tsuchinoko.

    My least fave design is Luvdisc. It's so bland. At least it kind of has an interesting dex entry.

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  • QuantumShaddowQuantumShaddow Registered User regular
    Vyolynce wrote: »
    my issue with garbador is that muk already exists. i get that one is industrial runoff (or something) and the other is an animated landfill, but they feel redundant.

    Except Garbador made its debut in Black/White, which had the gimmick of all-new mons pre-E4. A lot of redundant mons were ushered into the world for the Unova 250 or whatever.

    Such as:
    CesareB wrote: »

    Lillipup -> Stoutland is legit, the route 1 garbage normal type of that gen is Patrat -> Watchog.

    Yeah Patrat = Unova Rattata pretty clearly.



    Does anyone else find it odd that you can change your team in the middle of a Battle Tree run? If you "take a break", you can submit a completely different set of mons when you continue.

    Battle Mansion in ORAS let you do that as well. I assume that's a staple.

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  • Warlock82Warlock82 Never pet a burning dog Registered User regular
    edited January 2017
    Mimikyu is the best pikachu clone.

    Mimikyu for Smash 5! (not even joking, that would be amazing)

    Also I used to hate Garbodor but he has grown on me. There are a lot worse, like the freaking Gothorita line:
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    (honestly though I'm not a fan of a lot of the Hoenn pokemon in general... part of the reason I quit after Ruby)

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  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    edited January 2017
    I think it would be neat if Pikachu's final smash changed to just calling in all the Pikachu clones, and then all just follow you and mimic your attacks. So like, Thundershock now shoots out 5-6 projectiles in sequence, etc.

    And then your taunt becomes a group pose.

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  • ZundeZunde Registered User regular
    Beating Grimsley in the battle tree makes me nervous

    His "I lose" face is literally a "I'm going to stab you and wear your skin" face

  • VyolynceVyolynce Registered User regular
    Warlock82 wrote: »
    There are a lot worse, like the freaking Gothorita line:
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    The Gothorita line is worth it for Gothitelle's cry alone. Not sure why they're psychic, though.

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  • UncleSporkyUncleSporky Registered User regular
    Enigmedic wrote: »
    Pokemon is just so bloated with crap now. Since every gen has a good number of crapmon, combined together there are just sooo many bad pokemon outweighing the good ones. Like every gen needs a crappy route 1 thing, which is where we get lillipup, yungoose, etc. We need a useless bird, so hoothoot, pidove, pikipek, talonflame's 1st form.

    Hey hey hey, whoa.

    Most of the "useless" 3 form birds in these games end up awesome. I think Talonflame might've been banned competitively at one point? And if nothing else it's great for hatching eggs with Flame Body.

    Pikipek and it's evolutions are great this gen too.

    Also the useless early route bug of this gen turned out amazing as well.

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  • Jubal77Jubal77 Registered User regular
    RE: Pokemon hate:

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  • Steel AngelSteel Angel Registered User regular
    I just beat the elite 4 last night. Now I need to start looking at post game stuff. Any recommendations for a decent team to start getting BP so I can start breeding in earnest?

    Big Dookie wrote: »
    I found that tilting it doesn't work very well, and once I started jerking it, I got much better results.

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  • Jubal77Jubal77 Registered User regular
    I just beat the elite 4 last night. Now I need to start looking at post game stuff. Any recommendations for a decent team to start getting BP so I can start breeding in earnest?

    I would recommend you start with UBs. That end reward is nice.

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  • ZundeZunde Registered User regular
    Got my Stamp for 50 Streak Double super battles.

    After fighting my way through legions of double team spamming Rotom /Para hax / Confuse tomfoolery and at one point a Double team Zapdos with Roost i now have my stamp

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  • dav3ybdav3yb Registered User regular
    Is there any kind of ETA on the pokebank update btw? I figure i'll just not bother dealing with breeding until i can drop all the ditto's from friend safari off into the new game.

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  • VyolynceVyolynce Registered User regular
    Realized I could use an Ability Capsule to give my shiny Toucannon Skill Link. Paired it with a Choice Band.

    Bullet Seed is now frightening. Not the speediest bird around, but geez.

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  • YggiDeeYggiDee The World Ends With You Shill Registered User regular
    I think some of the bullshit GTS requests are for people with copies of both Sun & Moon but only one system, so when you need to move a Legendary between games you offer a Rattata or whatever for your level 100 Lunala.

  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    edited January 2017
    Vyolynce wrote: »
    Realized I could use an Ability Capsule to give my shiny Toucannon Skill Link. Paired it with a Choice Band.

    Bullet Seed is now frightening. Not the speediest bird around, but geez.

    Cincinno remains the cuddliest user of Skill Link. And the fastest (tied with Ambipom, which does have a hair more attack too, but...)

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  • NobeardNobeard North Carolina: Failed StateRegistered User regular
    What kind of jerk offers a Boldore holding an Everstone? That trolling takes time and effort. Just... some people man.

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