Is that a flat rate, or does STAB factor in as well?
STAB factors in. Snorlaxes that have cursed a few times are walking war crimes partially for that reason.
I've heard from a few places that snorlax is very powerful, and breeding snorlax to have specific moves can be even more powerful. Is there a faq somewhere that explains this whole system and why snorlax is so awesome?
Snorlax has ridiculous defenses and HP, a naturally learned healing move, and low enough speed that Curse will hardly effect it. This means you can essentially curse anything that isn't a ghost, rock or steel type into oblibivion with a single return (or any other particularly strong normal attack, although Return is pretty much tops).
me and my friend sam noticed something interesting last night.
He wanted the grass starter, so he put up a bidoof level 2 for it. within an hour he got one level 1 with a japanese name. I did the same, got one level 2 with a japanese name.
Are the japanese just feeling generous lately? Why would they do that?
English Pokedex entries. Certain Pokemon have English Dex entries when traded from an English cart, even on the Japanese DSes.
So they're lusting for their Engrish as ever.
Snorlax also has huge Attack in addition to his HP and (decent) Defense. And he learns Rest naturally. Basically he's one of the most versatile and powerful Normals ever.
Is that a flat rate, or does STAB factor in as well?
STAB factors in. Snorlaxes that have cursed a few times are walking war crimes partially for that reason.
I've heard from a few places that snorlax is very powerful, and breeding snorlax to have specific moves can be even more powerful. Is there a faq somewhere that explains this whole system and why snorlax is so awesome?
Snorlax has ridiculous defenses and HP, a naturally learned healing move, and low enough speed that Curse will hardly effect it. This means you can essentially curse anything that isn't a ghost, rock or steel type into oblibivion with a single return (or any other particularly strong normal attack, although Return is pretty much tops).
Anyone mind telling me where snorlax is in D/P?
Evolve from a Munchlax, which you can catch from Honey trees.
me and my friend sam noticed something interesting last night.
He wanted the grass starter, so he put up a bidoof level 2 for it. within an hour he got one level 1 with a japanese name. I did the same, got one level 2 with a japanese name.
Are the japanese just feeling generous lately? Why would they do that?
English Pokedex entries. Certain Pokemon have English Dex entries when traded from an English cart, even on the Japanese DSes.
So they're lusting for their Engrish as ever.
Snorlax also has huge Attack in addition to his HP and (decent) Defense. And he learns Rest naturally. Basically he's one of the most versatile and powerful Normals ever.
Wait wait, so they'll have an english entry AND a japanese entry? How come our carts don't support 2 entries?
So the steel water Empoleon only learns one steel move according to the website? Is there a reason to pick him up? I am still undecided on which starter to pick :O
Steel is a fucking awesome typing regardless that makes you take half damage from a good two-thirds of the moves in the entire game.
Plus, if Empoleon breeds with Blastoise, it can learn the best Special Attack based Steel move in the game, Flash Cannon.
Empoleon kicks ridiculous amounts of ass if you know how to use it.
Is that a flat rate, or does STAB factor in as well?
STAB factors in. Snorlaxes that have cursed a few times are walking war crimes partially for that reason.
I've heard from a few places that snorlax is very powerful, and breeding snorlax to have specific moves can be even more powerful. Is there a faq somewhere that explains this whole system and why snorlax is so awesome?
Snorlax has ridiculous defenses and HP, a naturally learned healing move, and low enough speed that Curse will hardly effect it. This means you can essentially curse anything that isn't a ghost, rock or steel type into oblibivion with a single return (or any other particularly strong normal attack, although Return is pretty much tops).
Anyone mind telling me where snorlax is in D/P?
Evolve from a Munchlax, which you can catch from Honey trees.
The tree is getting long. Snorlax is one of my very favorites so excuse the questions but is Snorlax + Quick Claw still a viable tactic or should I hand him some health regen item like leftovers?
So the steel water Empoleon only learns one steel move according to the website? Is there a reason to pick him up? I am still undecided on which starter to pick :O
Steel is really more of a typing that's good on defense versus one you attack with. Adding steel to anything gives it a ton of extra resistances.
I don't understand how Pokemon can be played competitively. Won't everyone figure out what the best pokemon to use are, the best way to train them for "EVs" and the best TMs to give them? And won't they all be Level 100?
Sorry I fail to see how this won't simply devolve into a game of number crunching until everyone knows the best, it almost removes the magic from the game
Sorry I fail to see how this won't simply devolve into a game of number crunching until everyone knows the best, it almost removes the magic from the game
Isn't that a fair description for every strategy game ever?
I don't understand how Pokemon can be played competitively. Won't everyone figure out what the best pokemon to use are, the best way to train them for "EVs" and the best TMs to give them? And won't they all be Level 100?
Sorry I fail to see how this won't simply devolve into a game of number crunching until everyone knows the best, it almost removes the magic from the game
I think that someone who whores Legendary Pokemon with the best TMs is actually going to be gimping themselves versus a well rounded team of normal pokemon but it does depend on the play style.
Sorry I fail to see how this won't simply devolve into a game of number crunching until everyone knows the best, it almost removes the magic from the game
Isn't that a fair description for every strategy game ever?
That's why we're supposed to make friends with people who aren't tools that use the same canned movesets and pokemon types.
Sorry I fail to see how this won't simply devolve into a game of number crunching until everyone knows the best, it almost removes the magic from the game
Isn't that a fair description for every strategy game ever?
Not really. In games like say, Dawn of War there's too many variables and some twitch action that removes any form of pure, unbridled number crunching to perfection.
With pokemon, theoretically, there is a BEST team with the BEST moves. Once it's figured out everyone will use it in tourney's. That's a massive flaw, as is Wi-Fi which almost breaks the game too me being that I can get so many pokemon so easily through it, it's too tempting to ignore removing a lot of the spirit of going out and finding them.
But Nintendo brought that on when they forced you to communicate with the GBA games I suppose.
Not really. In games like say, Dawn of War there's too many variables and some twitch action that removes any form of pure, unbridled number crunching to perfection.
With pokemon, theoretically, there is a BEST team with the BEST moves. Once it's figured out everyone will use it in tourney's. That's a massive flaw, as is Wi-Fi which almost breaks the game too me being that I can get so many pokemon so easily through it, it's too tempting to ignore removing a lot of the spirit of going out and finding them.
But Nintendo brought that on when they forced you to communicate with the GBA games I suppose.
Talking about the "spirit" of a game always devalues the entire conversation by utilizing some fabricated and arbitrary value read into the system by delusional users.
And as to the BEST team with the BEST moves, nigh-all pokeymon are weak against some element. So if one were to build a "best team" then another person could compile a silver bullet team to beat that best team and win, and then someone else could build a team to beat that silver bullet team, and then someone builds a team to beat that team and, hey, we've got ourselves a strategy game.
Yes, a team of 6 Magicarp isn't going to win a tournament. But that does not mean that there is not strategy involved. Yes, some pokeymans are more powerful than other pokeymans, but that does not mean that there is not strategy involved when discussions the order of one's team, the style of one's team, the use of items, etc.
It's the same with any strategy game. Pokemon, while embracing some elements of simplicity due to what the game is may be open to a more rigid framework of viable team builds, but the notion that there is only one group of pokeymans that is "teh best ever" that everyone would play is just nonsense.
Sorry I fail to see how this won't simply devolve into a game of number crunching until everyone knows the best, it almost removes the magic from the game
Isn't that a fair description for every strategy game ever?
Not really. In games like say, Dawn of War there's too many variables and some twitch action that removes any form of pure, unbridled number crunching to perfection.
With pokemon, theoretically, there is a BEST team with the BEST moves. Once it's figured out everyone will use it in tourney's. That's a massive flaw, as is Wi-Fi which almost breaks the game too me being that I can get so many pokemon so easily through it, it's too tempting to ignore removing a lot of the spirit of going out and finding them.
But Nintendo brought that on when they forced you to communicate with the GBA games I suppose.
No. Not even close. Maybe back in RBY, but it wasn't that way with the ADV series, and it definately won't be that way with DP.
Edit: Even if it was that way, you still have to battle. Battling people is far cry from battling the computer where you switch to Pokemon, use SE attack, and repeat.
Ahhh HAH! Using Dittos against Ditto. That'll teach you to transform into something like Wobuffett and making me fight you for 10 minutes doing no damage to each other. You can only transform into yourself now.
With pokemon, theoretically, there is a BEST team with the BEST moves. Once it's figured out everyone will use it in tourney's.
The problem is that a theoretical best team with best moves still has counters. People do build pokemon with no other purpose than to put the screws on commonly used top tier stuff in stuff like NetBattle, which forces the ones that just got countered to change and adapt.
And even with identical teams, there's still going to be a matter of one player outplaying the other. Having an optimally set up pokemon is far different from knowing how to best use it. I mean, CHESS players use the exact same pieces as each other but you don't see newbies on equal footing as grand masters.
Man, I just found the youtube version of the video that Nintendo Power sent out to certain subscribers. I used to watch that damn thing a lot. Watching it now just leads to embarrassment.
Ahhh HAH! Using Dittos against Ditto. That'll teach you to transform into something like Wobuffett and making me fight you for 10 minutes doing no damage to each other. You can only transform into yourself now.
You swampdonkey.
It's like that Season 1 or 3 episode where ash battles a metapod with his metapod.
I liked that episode. It showed Misty sunbathing...
Not really. In games like say, Dawn of War there's too many variables and some twitch action that removes any form of pure, unbridled number crunching to perfection.
Was Dawn of War designed for 7 year olds?
Nope and neither was pokemon. It was designed for all ages, it's deep if you want it to be.
With pokemon, theoretically, there is a BEST team with the BEST moves. Once it's figured out everyone will use it in tourney's. That's a massive flaw, as is Wi-Fi which almost breaks the game too me being that I can get so many pokemon so easily through it, it's too tempting to ignore removing a lot of the spirit of going out and finding them.
But Nintendo brought that on when they forced you to communicate with the GBA games I suppose.
Talking about the "spirit" of a game always devalues the entire conversation by utilizing some fabricated and arbitrary value read into the system by delusional users.[/QUOTE]
And as to the BEST team with the BEST moves, nigh-all pokeymon are weak against some element. So if one were to build a "best team" then another person could compile a silver bullet team to beat that best team and win, and then someone else could build a team to beat that silver bullet team, and then someone builds a team to beat that team and, hey, we've got ourselves a strategy game.
Yes, a team of 6 Magicarp isn't going to win a tournament. But that does not mean that there is not strategy involved. Yes, some pokeymans are more powerful than other pokeymans, but that does not mean that there is not strategy involved when discussions the order of one's team, the style of one's team, the use of items, etc.
It's the same with any strategy game. Pokemon, while embracing some elements of simplicity due to what the game is may be open to a more rigid framework of viable team builds, but the notion that there is only one group of pokeymans that is "teh best ever" that everyone would play is just nonsense.
Right. Is that why in the Pokemon tourney were banning certain pokemon? Why is that? That SHOULD NOT be necessary. Like I said, in Dawn of War do we ban certain races?
Ahhh HAH! Using Dittos against Ditto. That'll teach you to transform into something like Wobuffett and making me fight you for 10 minutes doing no damage to each other. You can only transform into yourself now.
You swampdonkey.
Use a magikarp. Ditto copeis Catch rate when it transforms. You catch it 90% of the time with an Ultra ball.
Not really. In games like say, Dawn of War there's too many variables and some twitch action that removes any form of pure, unbridled number crunching to perfection.
With pokemon, theoretically, there is a BEST team with the BEST moves. Once it's figured out everyone will use it in tourney's. That's a massive flaw, as is Wi-Fi which almost breaks the game too me being that I can get so many pokemon so easily through it, it's too tempting to ignore removing a lot of the spirit of going out and finding them.
But Nintendo brought that on when they forced you to communicate with the GBA games I suppose.
Talking about the "spirit" of a game always devalues the entire conversation by utilizing some fabricated and arbitrary value read into the system by delusional users.
And as to the BEST team with the BEST moves, nigh-all pokeymon are weak against some element. So if one were to build a "best team" then another person could compile a silver bullet team to beat that best team and win, and then someone else could build a team to beat that silver bullet team, and then someone builds a team to beat that team and, hey, we've got ourselves a strategy game.
Yes, a team of 6 Magicarp isn't going to win a tournament. But that does not mean that there is not strategy involved. Yes, some pokeymans are more powerful than other pokeymans, but that does not mean that there is not strategy involved when discussions the order of one's team, the style of one's team, the use of items, etc.
It's the same with any strategy game. Pokemon, while embracing some elements of simplicity due to what the game is may be open to a more rigid framework of viable team builds, but the notion that there is only one group of pokeymans that is "teh best ever" that everyone would play is just nonsense.
Don't forget that people come along and upset things all the time. Nobody gave any concern towards Chansey competetively back in RBY until some dude came along with one with Lightscreen, Softboiled and Seismic Toss and ruined everyone's day.
As long as Legendaries are banned, then variety will still hold sway, especially if you're playing with people who, again, battle with the Pokemon they like, not the ones that are statistically superior.
Man, I just found the youtube version of the video that Nintendo Power sent out to certain subscribers. I used to watch that damn thing a lot. Watching it now just leads to embarrassment.
Link? I think I know which one you are talking about.
Ahhh HAH! Using Dittos against Ditto. That'll teach you to transform into something like Wobuffett and making me fight you for 10 minutes doing no damage to each other. You can only transform into yourself now.
You swampdonkey.
Use a magikarp. Ditto copeis Catch rate when it transforms. You catch it 90% of the time with an Ultra ball.
Yeah, problem is though I'm in Ceruelean Cave because that's where I've found them the most.
Everything here is level 50+, I can't run or defend myself with any Magikarps I have and it'd transform to whatever my leader is if it's not Magikarp.
Ahhh HAH! Using Dittos against Ditto. That'll teach you to transform into something like Wobuffett and making me fight you for 10 minutes doing no damage to each other. You can only transform into yourself now.
You swampdonkey.
It's like that Season 1 or 3 episode where ash battles a metapod with his metapod.
I liked that episode. It showed Misty sunbathing...
...
:winky:
Metapod, use harden! *5 hours later* Metapod, keep going! We've almost got him! Then later it evolved into Butterfree. And then he let it go and it mated and then died
And Misty should be arrested for those short shorts. No boy can resist them when they're in the age group that show is targeted at.
Ahhh HAH! Using Dittos against Ditto. That'll teach you to transform into something like Wobuffett and making me fight you for 10 minutes doing no damage to each other. You can only transform into yourself now.
You swampdonkey.
Use a magikarp. Ditto copeis Catch rate when it transforms. You catch it 90% of the time with an Ultra ball.
Yeah, problem is though I'm in Ceruelean Cave because that's where I've found them the most.
Everything here is level 50+, I can't run or defend myself with any Magikarps I have and it'd transform to whatever my leader is if it's not Magikarp.
Lead with something else. Switch to Magikarp as it transfroms.
Right. Is that why in the Pokemon tourney were banning certain pokemon? Why is that? That SHOULD NOT be necessary. Like I said, in Dawn of War do we ban certain races?
If the game were created for only tournament play then the inclusion of pokeymans that would be banned from tournament play would, yes, be silly and evidence of a flaw in the system.
But, in my understanding, the tournament scene is secondary to the One Player game. So, as is sensible, Nintendo built the game primarily focused on single player and so pokeymans were created which are removed from the tournament scene in order to accomodate that crowd.
...
You do realize that you are taking issue with pokemon tournaments, right? I mean...it's pokemon.
Ahhh HAH! Using Dittos against Ditto. That'll teach you to transform into something like Wobuffett and making me fight you for 10 minutes doing no damage to each other. You can only transform into yourself now.
You swampdonkey.
It's like that Season 1 or 3 episode where ash battles a metapod with his metapod.
I liked that episode. It showed Misty sunbathing...
...
:winky:
Metapod, use harden! *5 hours later* Metapod, keep going! We've almost got him! Then later it evolved into Butterfree. And then he let it go and it mated and then died
And Misty should be arrested for those short shorts. No boy can resist them when they're in the age group that show is targeted at.
I liked the epic camera angles they used in that episode and, if i remember correctly, the number of lense flares. It was so tense...would metapod beat metapod? Who could become the hardest? Why was Misty sunbathing in the....
...
ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh. She's sunbathing...and they are using harden....
Ahhh HAH! Using Dittos against Ditto. That'll teach you to transform into something like Wobuffett and making me fight you for 10 minutes doing no damage to each other. You can only transform into yourself now.
You swampdonkey.
It's like that Season 1 or 3 episode where ash battles a metapod with his metapod.
I liked that episode. It showed Misty sunbathing...
...
:winky:
Metapod, use harden! *5 hours later* Metapod, keep going! We've almost got him! Then later it evolved into Butterfree. And then he let it go and it mated and then died
And Misty should be arrested for those short shorts. No boy can resist them when they're in the age group that show is targeted at.
I liked the epic camera angles they used in that episode and, if i remember correctly, the number of lense flares. It was so tense...would metapod beat metapod? Who could become the hardest? Why was Misty sunbathing in the....
...
ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh. She's sunbathing...and they are using harden....
I get it now.
May and Hikari (Dawn) have nothing on Misty.
It's okay to lust after her now, since from the time she debuted on the show, she's probably in her 20s by now.
I liked the epic camera angles they used in that episode and, if i remember correctly, the number of lense flares. It was so tense...would metapod beat metapod? Who could become the hardest? Why was Misty sunbathing in the....
...
ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh. She's sunbathing...and they are using harden....
I get it now.
Well this is Japan we're talking about after all. No show is safe from their innuendo.
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Anyone mind telling me where snorlax is in D/P?
English Pokedex entries. Certain Pokemon have English Dex entries when traded from an English cart, even on the Japanese DSes.
So they're lusting for their Engrish as ever.
Snorlax also has huge Attack in addition to his HP and (decent) Defense. And he learns Rest naturally. Basically he's one of the most versatile and powerful Normals ever.
Wait wait, so they'll have an english entry AND a japanese entry? How come our carts don't support 2 entries?
Steel is a fucking awesome typing regardless that makes you take half damage from a good two-thirds of the moves in the entire game.
Plus, if Empoleon breeds with Blastoise, it can learn the best Special Attack based Steel move in the game, Flash Cannon.
Empoleon kicks ridiculous amounts of ass if you know how to use it.
Ours DO, I believe. You migth need the National Dex for it though.
The tree is getting long. Snorlax is one of my very favorites so excuse the questions but is Snorlax + Quick Claw still a viable tactic or should I hand him some health regen item like leftovers?
Steel is really more of a typing that's good on defense versus one you attack with. Adding steel to anything gives it a ton of extra resistances.
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I can still trade them to those of you who don't have them though. That is once I transfer them.
Name some things you want and I'll see if I can get them off the GTS or something.
The idea of Pokemon tourneys themselves are great. But what if it bled into pro-gaming?
I'd get G4 at home if I could watch a giant warehouse full of sweaty nerds kill eachother's Pokemon.
@Petaya Berry
Brine
Grass Knot
Substitute
Agility
Given how cinematic Pokemon Battle Revolution is, I would not be surprised to see this happen.
Sorry I fail to see how this won't simply devolve into a game of number crunching until everyone knows the best, it almost removes the magic from the game
Isn't that a fair description for every strategy game ever?
I think that someone who whores Legendary Pokemon with the best TMs is actually going to be gimping themselves versus a well rounded team of normal pokemon but it does depend on the play style.
If I think of something by the time I get these things transferred I'll let you know. Just try to remind me you want one, I have a bad memory.
Not really. In games like say, Dawn of War there's too many variables and some twitch action that removes any form of pure, unbridled number crunching to perfection.
With pokemon, theoretically, there is a BEST team with the BEST moves. Once it's figured out everyone will use it in tourney's. That's a massive flaw, as is Wi-Fi which almost breaks the game too me being that I can get so many pokemon so easily through it, it's too tempting to ignore removing a lot of the spirit of going out and finding them.
But Nintendo brought that on when they forced you to communicate with the GBA games I suppose.
Was Dawn of War designed for 7 year olds?
Talking about the "spirit" of a game always devalues the entire conversation by utilizing some fabricated and arbitrary value read into the system by delusional users.
And as to the BEST team with the BEST moves, nigh-all pokeymon are weak against some element. So if one were to build a "best team" then another person could compile a silver bullet team to beat that best team and win, and then someone else could build a team to beat that silver bullet team, and then someone builds a team to beat that team and, hey, we've got ourselves a strategy game.
Yes, a team of 6 Magicarp isn't going to win a tournament. But that does not mean that there is not strategy involved. Yes, some pokeymans are more powerful than other pokeymans, but that does not mean that there is not strategy involved when discussions the order of one's team, the style of one's team, the use of items, etc.
It's the same with any strategy game. Pokemon, while embracing some elements of simplicity due to what the game is may be open to a more rigid framework of viable team builds, but the notion that there is only one group of pokeymans that is "teh best ever" that everyone would play is just nonsense.
No. Not even close. Maybe back in RBY, but it wasn't that way with the ADV series, and it definately won't be that way with DP.
Edit: Even if it was that way, you still have to battle. Battling people is far cry from battling the computer where you switch to Pokemon, use SE attack, and repeat.
You swampdonkey.
The problem is that a theoretical best team with best moves still has counters. People do build pokemon with no other purpose than to put the screws on commonly used top tier stuff in stuff like NetBattle, which forces the ones that just got countered to change and adapt.
And even with identical teams, there's still going to be a matter of one player outplaying the other. Having an optimally set up pokemon is far different from knowing how to best use it. I mean, CHESS players use the exact same pieces as each other but you don't see newbies on equal footing as grand masters.
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Leafeon Adamant
X-Cross(tm)
Leaf Blade
Synthesis
Swords dance or Sunny Day
Glaceon Modest
@Leftovers
Ice Beam TM
water Pulse
Mirror Coat
Hail Storm
Espeon Modest
@Petaya Berry
Psychic
Morning Sun
Shadow Ball TM
Calm Mind TM or Sunny Day TM
Flareon Adamant
@Toxic Orb
Fire Fang
Roar
Facade
Will O Wisp
Jolteon Modest
@Petaya
Thunderwave
Thunderbolt
Double Team
Rest
Vaporeon Modest
@Leftovers
Surf
Ice Beam
Aqua Ring
Haze
It's like that Season 1 or 3 episode where ash battles a metapod with his metapod.
I liked that episode. It showed Misty sunbathing...
...
:winky:
Nope and neither was pokemon. It was designed for all ages, it's deep if you want it to be.
Talking about the "spirit" of a game always devalues the entire conversation by utilizing some fabricated and arbitrary value read into the system by delusional users.[/QUOTE]
That didn't make a lot of sense, I'll move on.
Right. Is that why in the Pokemon tourney were banning certain pokemon? Why is that? That SHOULD NOT be necessary. Like I said, in Dawn of War do we ban certain races?
Use a magikarp. Ditto copeis Catch rate when it transforms. You catch it 90% of the time with an Ultra ball.
As long as Legendaries are banned, then variety will still hold sway, especially if you're playing with people who, again, battle with the Pokemon they like, not the ones that are statistically superior.
Everything here is level 50+, I can't run or defend myself with any Magikarps I have and it'd transform to whatever my leader is if it's not Magikarp.
Metapod, use harden! *5 hours later* Metapod, keep going! We've almost got him! Then later it evolved into Butterfree. And then he let it go and it mated and then died
And Misty should be arrested for those short shorts. No boy can resist them when they're in the age group that show is targeted at.
Lead with something else. Switch to Magikarp as it transfroms.
If the game were created for only tournament play then the inclusion of pokeymans that would be banned from tournament play would, yes, be silly and evidence of a flaw in the system.
But, in my understanding, the tournament scene is secondary to the One Player game. So, as is sensible, Nintendo built the game primarily focused on single player and so pokeymans were created which are removed from the tournament scene in order to accomodate that crowd.
...
You do realize that you are taking issue with pokemon tournaments, right? I mean...it's pokemon.
I liked the epic camera angles they used in that episode and, if i remember correctly, the number of lense flares. It was so tense...would metapod beat metapod? Who could become the hardest? Why was Misty sunbathing in the....
...
ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh. She's sunbathing...and they are using harden....
I get it now.
It's okay to lust after her now, since from the time she debuted on the show, she's probably in her 20s by now.
Well this is Japan we're talking about after all. No show is safe from their innuendo.