"Video games are bad for society"
And yet the gaming community continues to raise millions of dollars for various charities every year.
I dunno, if you see the social strains that rises up from someone having an opinion on video games, or even playing them...
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So. Lessons to learn from using bits as donation incentives.
1) MILLIONS of bits sounds insane to people, even if you explain it to them that it's pennies. It's way more daunting a number than "fifty thousand." Phrasing in this stuff matters.
2) Where was Twitch saying, "We will match" (even a portion) "the donation if the incentive is met"? I know it doesn't give them money, which is the point of all this, but they're a corporation and they loooooove charity tax write-offs so why not?
3) Seriously why would you force people into signing up for another thing like this?
So. Lessons to learn from using bits as donation incentives.
1) MILLIONS of bits sounds insane to people, even if you explain it to them that it's pennies. It's way more daunting a number than "fifty thousand." Phrasing in this stuff matters.
2) Where was Twitch saying, "We will match" (even a portion) "the donation if the incentive is met"? I know it doesn't give them money, which is the point of all this, but they're a corporation and they loooooove charity tax write-offs so why not?
3) Seriously why would you force people into signing up for another thing like this?
looking at where they ended up i thing a 2.5M goal would have been doable. when you start getting close to a goal its an easier sell to get an extra few donations with a few "we're almost there" shout outs. also, it seems that the US is the only place where you can earn bits by watching ads, so that puts a limit on who has bits to spare. if i could have contributed by watching a few Twitch ads i would have, even if it only amounted a few cents. though even then, i think as a first try 1M bits might have been a more reasonable goal and something to build on going forward.
like i said before, hats off to them for trying to expand the ways in which people can contribute but they obviously overestimated what they'd get through this method. hopefully they come back with a more achievable goal at AGDQ '18. and i agree with the point that Twitch should be matching any bit donations. really does seem like they get more than they give out of their deal with GDQ.
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Oh my god enough with the glitches, I just want to watch botw before bed.
Apparently this run is eleventy billion hours long.
they are matching some percentage, but it's basically only enough to make their gigantic take from bits competitive with paypal's 2.3% take.
but really i doubt any of that matters because the reason people don't want to engage with bits is because GDQ chat is fucking horrible and the people who are dropping thousands of dollars on this shit aren't sitting in chat spamming emotes.
So. Lessons to learn from using bits as donation incentives.
1) MILLIONS of bits sounds insane to people, even if you explain it to them that it's pennies. It's way more daunting a number than "fifty thousand." Phrasing in this stuff matters.
2) Where was Twitch saying, "We will match" (even a portion) "the donation if the incentive is met"? I know it doesn't give them money, which is the point of all this, but they're a corporation and they loooooove charity tax write-offs so why not?
3) Seriously why would you force people into signing up for another thing like this?
For the first, Majora's Mask was the bits donation incentive, right? Seems like they made it, so I'm not sure where this is coming from?
For the second, yeah that would've been cool of them to do that, but they aren't in any way obligated to do it so I don't really think this is as much of a lesson to learn as much of a thing that would be kinda nice to do. For the third, I think it's more of a "if we have this system, we may as well make use of it," thing.
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Handsome CostanzaAsk me about 8bitdoRIP Iwata-sanRegistered Userregular
So. Lessons to learn from using bits as donation incentives.
1) MILLIONS of bits sounds insane to people, even if you explain it to them that it's pennies. It's way more daunting a number than "fifty thousand." Phrasing in this stuff matters.
2) Where was Twitch saying, "We will match" (even a portion) "the donation if the incentive is met"? I know it doesn't give them money, which is the point of all this, but they're a corporation and they loooooove charity tax write-offs so why not?
3) Seriously why would you force people into signing up for another thing like this?
For the first, Majora's Mask was the bits donation incentive, right? Seems like they made it, so I'm not sure where this is coming from?
For the second, yeah that would've been cool of them to do that, but they aren't in any way obligated to do it so I don't really think this is as much of a lesson to learn as much of a thing that would be kinda nice to do. For the third, I think it's more of a "if we have this system, we may as well make use of it," thing.
Majoras fight blindfolded was the bit incentive. It was not met.
So. Lessons to learn from using bits as donation incentives.
1) MILLIONS of bits sounds insane to people, even if you explain it to them that it's pennies. It's way more daunting a number than "fifty thousand." Phrasing in this stuff matters.
2) Where was Twitch saying, "We will match" (even a portion) "the donation if the incentive is met"? I know it doesn't give them money, which is the point of all this, but they're a corporation and they loooooove charity tax write-offs so why not?
3) Seriously why would you force people into signing up for another thing like this?
For the first, Majora's Mask was the bits donation incentive, right? Seems like they made it, so I'm not sure where this is coming from?
For the second, yeah that would've been cool of them to do that, but they aren't in any way obligated to do it so I don't really think this is as much of a lesson to learn as much of a thing that would be kinda nice to do. For the third, I think it's more of a "if we have this system, we may as well make use of it," thing.
Majoras fight blindfolded was the bit incentive.
yeah the incentive was 5M bits to do the final boss blindfolded. they raised around 2.27M bits so not even half way to the goal.
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So. Lessons to learn from using bits as donation incentives.
1) MILLIONS of bits sounds insane to people, even if you explain it to them that it's pennies. It's way more daunting a number than "fifty thousand." Phrasing in this stuff matters.
2) Where was Twitch saying, "We will match" (even a portion) "the donation if the incentive is met"? I know it doesn't give them money, which is the point of all this, but they're a corporation and they loooooove charity tax write-offs so why not?
3) Seriously why would you force people into signing up for another thing like this?
looking at where they ended up i thing a 2.5M goal would have been doable. when you start getting close to a goal its an easier sell to get an extra few donations with a few "we're almost there" shout outs. also, it seems that the US is the only place where you can earn bits by watching ads, so that puts a limit on who has bits to spare. if i could have contributed by watching a few Twitch ads i would have, even if it only amounted a few cents. though even then, i think as a first try 1M bits might have been a more reasonable goal and something to build on going forward.
like i said before, hats off to them for trying to expand the ways in which people can contribute but they obviously overestimated what they'd get through this method. hopefully they come back with a more achievable goal at AGDQ '18. and i agree with the point that Twitch should be matching any bit donations. really does seem like they get more than they give out of their deal with GDQ.
I don't think this was their call necessarily to use bits. I think Twitch is wanting major channels / events to promote it, because it's a revenue stream for Twitch. Unfortunately, either GDQ or Twitch or both miscalculated debuting it for SGDQ.
but really i doubt any of that matters because the reason people don't want to engage with bits is because GDQ chat is fucking horrible and the people who are dropping thousands of dollars on this shit aren't sitting in chat spamming emotes.
but really i doubt any of that matters because the reason people don't want to engage with bits is because GDQ chat is fucking horrible and the people who are dropping thousands of dollars on this shit aren't sitting in chat spamming emotes.
seems v speculative
It's a very safe speculation to make. I also wouldn't lean too far into defending Twitch chat as an institution because it's actual social poison.
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Twitch chat has gone to emotes-only already by the way, in case you need proof of it being a vile piece of shit.
i would imagine the big factor to be that to do twitch bits you got to make a twitch account and buy them, and then how do you use them*? and why would you do that when money works fine and is straightforward to use
I don't really get how the nonsense of chat factors in to not wanting to use bits, you don't need to read chat to use them - is it that people are afraid they will be social poisoned by typing in proximity to it
They seriously need to do something about chat, as emote-only isn't a good solution.
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The thing is, why would you buy Twitch bits to give? The conversion is 1.4 real world pennies for 1 bit. You're better off giving to GDQ directly in a donation.
i would imagine the big factor to be that to do twitch bits you got to make a twitch account and buy them, and then how do you use them*? and why would you do that when money works fine and is straightforward to use
I don't really get how the nonsense of chat factors in to not wanting to use bits, you don't need to read chat to use them - is it that people are afraid they will be social poisoned by typing in proximity to it
*I actually know
i keep chat hidden as a rule and i expect i'm not the only one. opening up it to give what amounts to a few cents isn't a great motivator. so i think that could play back into your first point of 'why use bits when i could give more in another format and still avoid chat'.
i would imagine the big factor to be that to do twitch bits you got to make a twitch account and buy them, and then how do you use them*? and why would you do that when money works fine and is straightforward to use
I don't really get how the nonsense of chat factors in to not wanting to use bits, you don't need to read chat to use them - is it that people are afraid they will be social poisoned by typing in proximity to it
*I actually know
i keep chat hidden as a rule and i expect i'm not the only one. opening up it to give what amounts to a few cents isn't a great motivator. so i think that could play back into your first point of 'why use bits when i could give more in another format and still avoid chat'.
it also plays back into my point of how do you use them because you can use bits for large amounts just as easily
there may be a perception that bits are used for like....10 cents at a time only?
i would imagine the big factor to be that to do twitch bits you got to make a twitch account and buy them, and then how do you use them*? and why would you do that when money works fine and is straightforward to use
I don't really get how the nonsense of chat factors in to not wanting to use bits, you don't need to read chat to use them - is it that people are afraid they will be social poisoned by typing in proximity to it
*I actually know
i keep chat hidden as a rule and i expect i'm not the only one. opening up it to give what amounts to a few cents isn't a great motivator. so i think that could play back into your first point of 'why use bits when i could give more in another format and still avoid chat'.
it also plays back in my point of how do you use them because you can use bits for large amounts just as easily
there may be a perception that bits are used for like....10 cents at a time only?
yeah that could be an issue too for anyone that doesn't spend a lot of time on Twitch and using chat. though i do feel that the inclusion of a bits incentive was aimed at the Twitch faithful and they just overestimated what they'd get from them in that format. part of that could be down to a misunderstanding of what each bit is worth and the size of the goal seeming beyond what the reward/prize* was worth.
for a second there i thought she was gonna use the hover trick from Jak 2. :P
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Oh my god you guys this Breath of the Wild run has me in tears, this is amazing. And the best part, none of this crap is frame-perfect yadda yadda. This is just creativity gone wild.
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Oh my god you guys this Breath of the Wild run has me in tears, this is amazing. And the best part, none of this crap is frame-perfect yadda yadda. This is just creativity gone wild.
yeah even the couch had a convo about just that.
"what's the window of time for the trick?"
"eh, people time it differently, but its a pretty big window"
saying that though, i'm willing to bet that in the coming months they'll find that you can get more speed from these tricks with more exact timing.
I get that it wasn't but it really feels like this game was tailor made for speedrunning.
well they did say that you'd be able to go straight to the end boss right from the beginning. i don't think this was the intended route exactly, but they at least had an idea that some people would 'finish' it pretty quick.
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I haven't played it yet but that Mario relay race was so good that it is hard to top. I have dark souls and Zelda tattoos and even I thought that race was a ton of fun.
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And yet the gaming community continues to raise millions of dollars for various charities every year.
Majora's Mask is always the least interesting Zelda to watch for me. Dunno why.
It feels like it's gone on for far longer than it should.
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1) MILLIONS of bits sounds insane to people, even if you explain it to them that it's pennies. It's way more daunting a number than "fifty thousand." Phrasing in this stuff matters.
2) Where was Twitch saying, "We will match" (even a portion) "the donation if the incentive is met"? I know it doesn't give them money, which is the point of all this, but they're a corporation and they loooooove charity tax write-offs so why not?
3) Seriously why would you force people into signing up for another thing like this?
looking at where they ended up i thing a 2.5M goal would have been doable. when you start getting close to a goal its an easier sell to get an extra few donations with a few "we're almost there" shout outs. also, it seems that the US is the only place where you can earn bits by watching ads, so that puts a limit on who has bits to spare. if i could have contributed by watching a few Twitch ads i would have, even if it only amounted a few cents. though even then, i think as a first try 1M bits might have been a more reasonable goal and something to build on going forward.
like i said before, hats off to them for trying to expand the ways in which people can contribute but they obviously overestimated what they'd get through this method. hopefully they come back with a more achievable goal at AGDQ '18. and i agree with the point that Twitch should be matching any bit donations. really does seem like they get more than they give out of their deal with GDQ.
Apparently this run is eleventy billion hours long.
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but really i doubt any of that matters because the reason people don't want to engage with bits is because GDQ chat is fucking horrible and the people who are dropping thousands of dollars on this shit aren't sitting in chat spamming emotes.
For the second, yeah that would've been cool of them to do that, but they aren't in any way obligated to do it so I don't really think this is as much of a lesson to learn as much of a thing that would be kinda nice to do. For the third, I think it's more of a "if we have this system, we may as well make use of it," thing.
Majoras fight blindfolded was the bit incentive. It was not met.
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yeah the incentive was 5M bits to do the final boss blindfolded. they raised around 2.27M bits so not even half way to the goal.
seems v speculative
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I don't really get how the nonsense of chat factors in to not wanting to use bits, you don't need to read chat to use them - is it that people are afraid they will be social poisoned by typing in proximity to it
*I actually know
i keep chat hidden as a rule and i expect i'm not the only one. opening up it to give what amounts to a few cents isn't a great motivator. so i think that could play back into your first point of 'why use bits when i could give more in another format and still avoid chat'.
it also plays back into my point of how do you use them because you can use bits for large amounts just as easily
there may be a perception that bits are used for like....10 cents at a time only?
yeah that could be an issue too for anyone that doesn't spend a lot of time on Twitch and using chat. though i do feel that the inclusion of a bits incentive was aimed at the Twitch faithful and they just overestimated what they'd get from them in that format. part of that could be down to a misunderstanding of what each bit is worth and the size of the goal seeming beyond what the reward/prize* was worth.
*for lack of better term.
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yeah even the couch had a convo about just that.
"what's the window of time for the trick?"
"eh, people time it differently, but its a pretty big window"
saying that though, i'm willing to bet that in the coming months they'll find that you can get more speed from these tricks with more exact timing.
though we're 3/5 finished from the estimate so some of that math may be off
we're 30 minutes in with an estimate of 50 minutes so i don't think the boss fight is gonna be quite that dominant.
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well they did say that you'd be able to go straight to the end boss right from the beginning. i don't think this was the intended route exactly, but they at least had an idea that some people would 'finish' it pretty quick.
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I haven't played it yet but that Mario relay race was so good that it is hard to top. I have dark souls and Zelda tattoos and even I thought that race was a ton of fun.
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