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JRPG Thread: No P5 spoilers in this thread please cause Atlus might sue you.

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  • chocoboliciouschocobolicious Registered User regular
    edited February 17
    Reynolds wrote: »
    It took me like five seconds to find a Persona 2 character with racist undertones who is also a prostitute possibly guilty of other related crimes.

    This is also the game with Literally Hitler.

    .. I'm going to assume you're throwing shade at Lisa, with which I'll point out that man you're trying real hard to be wrong.

    Also, yes, you kill literal Hitler. I'm not sure how that's a problem?

    Like the first 4 games throw dark, that's kind of the point. Which is why bubblegum happy time 4 doesn't fit. It's also why it's worse when it just suddenly has bubbly side kicks go homophobe or cuddly mascots start acting creepier than Cosby.

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  • TransporterTransporter Registered User regular
    I've only played a little of P3 and non of P4.

    I know P3 alludes to the Order/Chaos/Neutral split, does P4 as well?

    I always loved that about Persona games, specifically Nocturne.

  • YaYaYaYa Rick and Morty forever and ever 100 years! a100timesRickandMorty.comRegistered User regular
    rhylith wrote: »
    Does persona 3 hold up?

    I picked it up for like...2 bucks or something during a psn flash sale recently.

    I think there's still a lot of good about it, it's got a very different attitude and feel than P4. most of the S-Links are weaker across the board, and it's also WAY more JRPG than P4 is, but the soundtrack fucking rules, the feel of the battle system is fun and snappy and it's still a modern Persona game

    just be ready for a lot of rough mechanical edges

  • LockedOnTargetLockedOnTarget Registered User regular
    Actually P3 and P4 are both really great games.

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  • DemonStaceyDemonStacey TTODewback's Daughter In love with the TaySwayRegistered User regular
    Actually P3 and P4 are both really great games.

    I am going to live dangerously and agree to this extremely controversial comment!!!


    Personally p4 was obviously more refined when it came to gameplay but I liked 3 MC and overall story a bit more. Plus 3 had a dog so it gets a lot of bonus points there. I think overall I liked the cast in 3 better.

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  • RadiusRadius Registered User regular
    Stilts wrote: »
    Persona 4 has Kanji, Rise AND Naoto, all of whom are some of my favorite JRPG party members ever.

    So it's already got that ahead of every other SMT/Persona title.

    Hmm, i'm sorry, which one of these do you wrestle while wearing luchador masks?

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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    Persona 3 has Trolltagonist.
    Persona 4 has Brotagonist.

    They are both great.

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  • Andy JoeAndy Joe Registered User regular
    Radius wrote: »
    Stilts wrote: »
    Persona 4 has Kanji, Rise AND Naoto, all of whom are some of my favorite JRPG party members ever.

    So it's already got that ahead of every other SMT/Persona title.

    Hmm, i'm sorry, which one of these do you wrestle while wearing luchador masks?

    This isn't the place for your kinky fanfiction!

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  • LockedOnTargetLockedOnTarget Registered User regular
    I thought 3 had the much weaker cast.

    I like everyone in 4 but in 3 I mostly just like the original quartet of Junpei, Yukari, Akihiko, and Mitsuru.

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  • RadiusRadius Registered User regular
    Andy Joe wrote: »
    Radius wrote: »
    Stilts wrote: »
    Persona 4 has Kanji, Rise AND Naoto, all of whom are some of my favorite JRPG party members ever.

    So it's already got that ahead of every other SMT/Persona title.

    Hmm, i'm sorry, which one of these do you wrestle while wearing luchador masks?

    This isn't the place for your kinky fanfiction!

    clearly you haven't been to SE++ before

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  • DemonStaceyDemonStacey TTODewback's Daughter In love with the TaySwayRegistered User regular
    I thought 3 had the much weaker cast.

    I like everyone in 4 but in 3 I mostly just like the original quartet of Junpei, Yukari, Akihiko, and Mitsuru.

    See I rarely like a full cast of characters so that's just kinda what I'm used to.

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  • LockedOnTargetLockedOnTarget Registered User regular
    Maybe the P4 cast stands out stronger to me because it starts out with some of the weaker ones(Yosuke, Yukiko, Teddie) and then keeps adding really good ones(Rise, Kanji, Naoto) whereas P3 starts with the ones I like best and then as the game goes on it just keeps adding ones I don't give a shit about.

    P3's cast is more front-loaded and then peters off.

    I also prefer the weaker characters of P4 to the weaker P3 ones. More down with Yosuke and Yukiko then I am with dumb child and barely-a-character dog.

    I guess Aigis > Teddie though.

  • DemonStaceyDemonStacey TTODewback's Daughter In love with the TaySwayRegistered User regular
    Yea I'd prefer the characters I like to be front loaded because I only use one team of characters in any game. So if characters I like don't show up until later it just means longer until I actually have my team together.

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  • rhylithrhylith Registered User regular
    edited February 17
    Reynolds wrote: »
    I think you're talking about the Shin Megami Tensei: Persona series, not Persona 4, the first game in the Persona 4 series. It continued in Persona 4 Arena and Persona 4: Dancing All Night. Common mistake, like getting the American Final Fantasy III confused with its original title in Japan, SaGa 3.

    Oh, so the series about sex offenders, racists and bigots. Yes, I forgot about that persona 4 series. Because it's terrible and everything in the extended universe is bad.

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  • ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    Reynolds wrote: »
    I think you're talking about the Shin Megami Tensei: Persona series, not Persona 4, the first game in the Persona 4 series. It continued in Persona 4 Arena and Persona 4: Dancing All Night. Common mistake, like getting the American Final Fantasy III confused with its original title in Japan, SaGa 3.

    Oh, so the series about sex offenders, racists and bigots. Yes, I forgot about that persona 4 series. Because it's terrible and everything in the extended universe is bad.

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  • SCREECH OF THE FARGSCREECH OF THE FARG #1 PARROTHEAD margaritavilleRegistered User regular
    Reynolds wrote: »
    It took me like five seconds to find a Persona 2 character with racist undertones who is also a prostitute possibly guilty of other related crimes.

    This is also the game with Literally Hitler.

    don't sign your posts

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  • -Tal-Tal The history of Hyrule is the history of the Calamity Ganon. Registered User regular
    One might say that the happy fun time facade of persona 4 is thematically appropriate when laid above the dark truth that lies beneatg

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  • rhylithrhylith Registered User regular
    I'm surprised that people dislike Yukiko so much.

    I found her to be a really realistic portrayal of a good student who's unsure how to go forward with her life. Which sure, you may find that boring, but I think it's refreshing to have a totally normal person in a damn JRPG cast because it LITERALLY NEVER HAPPENS. And she was less obnoxious than Chie (who I actually also really like but the overly energetic characters always grate on me just a little bit) and "I'm a super-hot pop star who's totally in love with you, main character, from the very second I saw you!" Rise. Seriously Rise, back off, I'm dating Yukiko over here. Stop with the "I love you so much!" it's making her uncomfortable in like every scene. Go on a date with Yosuke or something and it'll make his life complete. He was there when we saved you too you know.

    Naoto is more interesting and probably better though. The insecurity about her gender preventing her from moving forward the way she wants in life and coming to terms that it's ok to be who she is was really good. Smashing the patriarchy is relevant here, but I imagine the character was even more timely for a Japanese audience.

    Also it was always good when her super-professional image would crack a bit and she'd be a little more human.

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  • DemonStaceyDemonStacey TTODewback's Daughter In love with the TaySwayRegistered User regular
    rhylith wrote: »
    I'm surprised that people dislike Yukiko so much.

    I found her to be a really realistic portrayal of a good student who's unsure how to go forward with her life. Which sure, you may find that boring, but I think it's refreshing to have a totally normal person in a damn JRPG cast because it LITERALLY NEVER HAPPENS. And she was less obnoxious than Chie (who I actually also really like but the overly energetic characters always grate on me just a little bit) and "I'm a super-hot pop star who's totally in love with you, main character, from the very second I saw you!" Rise. Seriously Rise, back off, I'm dating Yukiko over here. Stop with the "I love you so much!" it's making her uncomfortable in like every scene. Go on a date with Yosuke or something and it'll make his life complete. He was there when we saved you too you know.

    Naoto is more interesting and probably better though. The insecurity about her gender preventing her from moving forward the way she wants in life and coming to terms that it's ok to be who she is was really good. Smashing the patriarchy is relevant here, but I imagine the character was even more timely for a Japanese audience.

    Also it was always good when her super-professional image would crack a bit and she'd be a little more human.

    People disliking a character is not the same as thinking a character is bad.

    There are plenty of real personalities that people dislike.

    That said I liked Yukiko, but yea, doesn't matter how accurate/well a character is portrayed if you just don't like that sort of character.

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  • Bluedude152Bluedude152 Registered User regular
    Reynolds wrote: »
    I think you're talking about the Shin Megami Tensei: Persona series, not Persona 4, the first game in the Persona 4 series. It continued in Persona 4 Arena and Persona 4: Dancing All Night. Common mistake, like getting the American Final Fantasy III confused with its original title in Japan, SaGa 3.

    Oh, so the series about sex offenders, racists and bigots. Yes, I forgot about that persona 4 series. Because it's terrible and everything in the extended universe is bad.

    Dude what is your issue

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  • RadiusRadius Registered User regular
    Again, Yukiko was only good once you get to the spinoffs where she is detached from reality.

    in P4 she is a goddamn void.

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  • CorporateLogoCorporateLogo The toilet knows how I feelRegistered User regular
    edited February 17
    We can all agree that The Answer stinks

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    We can all agree that The Answer stinks

    It was a good practice warm-up for SMT: Nocturne Hard Mode.

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  • ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    Radius wrote: »
    Again, Yukiko was only good once you get to the spinoffs where she is detached from reality.

    in P4 she is a goddamn void.

    She's got a weird laugh?

    But yeah her best character moment is the dog thing from p4a

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  • WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular

    People disliking a character is not the same as thinking a character is bad.

    Could yall take the vriska talk to the homestuck thread

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  • LockedOnTargetLockedOnTarget Registered User regular
    I don't dislike Yukiko I just like her the least

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  • AistanAistan Registered User regular
    Just as Shit starts to get Real in Trails of Cold Steel, a dumb little kid with an annoying voice wearing a way too form-fitting spacesuit shows up with a magic robot and ruins everything. Hopefully she disappears forever by the end of this chapter.

    Even though I know she won't because she's on the alternate box art.

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  • BlackjackBlackjack Registered User regular
    Aistan wrote: »
    Just as Shit starts to get Real in Trails of Cold Steel, a dumb little kid with an annoying voice wearing a way too form-fitting spacesuit shows up with a magic robot and ruins everything. Hopefully she disappears forever by the end of this chapter.

    Even though I know she won't because she's on the alternate box art.

    She is the worst. Fortunately, she is also largely ignorable.

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  • JavenJaven Registered User regular
    edited February 17
    So if I bought a "PSOne Classic" on PSN to play on my PS3, but my PS3 is no longer working, I should be able to then play that same game on a PSTV, as long as it's on the list of compatible games? Hopefully without having to buy the game again?

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Registered User regular
    Radius wrote: »
    Again, Yukiko was only good once you get to the spinoffs where she is detached from reality.

    in P4 she is a goddamn void.

    She's got a weird laugh?

    you're thinking of shantotto

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  • WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    Radius wrote: »
    Again, Yukiko was only good once you get to the spinoffs where she is detached from reality.

    in P4 she is a goddamn void.

    She's got a weird laugh?

    you're thinking of shantotto

    Shantotto's laugh is perfect, not weird

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  • AistanAistan Registered User regular
    Blackjack wrote: »
    Aistan wrote: »
    Just as Shit starts to get Real in Trails of Cold Steel, a dumb little kid with an annoying voice wearing a way too form-fitting spacesuit shows up with a magic robot and ruins everything. Hopefully she disappears forever by the end of this chapter.

    Even though I know she won't because she's on the alternate box art.

    She is the worst. Fortunately, she is also largely ignorable.

    This is an industrial-era setting, full of military academies and bulky-ass tanks and WWI uniforms. Nothing about her design makes sense for this.

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  • JarsJars Registered User regular
    edited February 17
    I love persona 4 and there is no chance I will play persona 3. 4 is about saving the world with the power of friendship, 3 is about darkness in a very dark manner with darkly.. people doing... darkish things.. you get my point

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  • RenzoRenzo Registered User regular
    Aistan wrote: »
    Blackjack wrote: »
    Aistan wrote: »
    Just as Shit starts to get Real in Trails of Cold Steel, a dumb little kid with an annoying voice wearing a way too form-fitting spacesuit shows up with a magic robot and ruins everything. Hopefully she disappears forever by the end of this chapter.

    Even though I know she won't because she's on the alternate box art.

    She is the worst. Fortunately, she is also largely ignorable.

    This is an industrial-era setting, full of military academies and bulky-ass tanks and WWI uniforms. Nothing about her design makes sense for this.

    Or maybe there's more to the world than what you've seen so far.

  • BlackjackBlackjack Registered User regular
    Aistan wrote: »
    Blackjack wrote: »
    Aistan wrote: »
    Just as Shit starts to get Real in Trails of Cold Steel, a dumb little kid with an annoying voice wearing a way too form-fitting spacesuit shows up with a magic robot and ruins everything. Hopefully she disappears forever by the end of this chapter.

    Even though I know she won't because she's on the alternate box art.

    She is the worst. Fortunately, she is also largely ignorable.

    This is an industrial-era setting, full of military academies and bulky-ass tanks and WWI uniforms. Nothing about her design makes sense for this.

    No, I completely agree. I mean ignorable as a character.

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  • AistanAistan Registered User regular
    Yeah I was just expanding the thought of how awful she is as a first impression.

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  • WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
    Jars wrote: »
    I love persona 4 and there is no chance I will play persona 3. 4 is about saving the world with the power of friendship, 3 is about darkness in a very dark manner with darkly.. people doing... darkish things.. you get my point

    Uh

    This is even more prevalent in the finale of 3 than it is in 4

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  • BlackjackBlackjack Registered User regular
    Ahh gotcha! Thought you meant it in a "how can you ignore this!?"

    Also fortunately, she puts on clothes the next time you see her.

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  • JarsJars Registered User regular
    Jars wrote: »
    I love persona 4 and there is no chance I will play persona 3. 4 is about saving the world with the power of friendship, 3 is about darkness in a very dark manner with darkly.. people doing... darkish things.. you get my point

    Uh

    This is even more prevalent in the finale of 3 than it is in 4

    that's only a tiny part of the game

  • Rorshach KringleRorshach Kringle my name is kevin Registered User regular
    i vastly preferred persona 3 to persona 4

    it is just more my bag because who ever wants to be happy about anything

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