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Tips for moving forward [Girl thread]

pacbowlpacbowl Los AngelesRegistered User regular
edited April 2007 in Help / Advice Forum
Due to the nature of my job I get sent all over the LA area doing on-site computer work for various clients. I'm always meeting new people, but have never really tried to get with any of the cute women I seem to run into from time to time due to professional courtesy.

Except one.

About a year ago I went to do some computer work for a client who is pretty attractive. As always I made some small talk, did the job and left. A few months later they had me do more work at some other locations, and this woman was there. Again, we made small talk but nothing out of the ordinary. I gave her my personal cell number and told her to call if she had any other problems (I only do that for certain people). Over the next few months she did call a few times, but for nothing too troublesome or demanding.

During our small talk she was always saying things like "You do such a good job I'm gonna bring in some cookies for you". I figured it was friendly banter so I just rolled with it. Then one day she asked if I wanted to go out for coffee sometime. I politely refused, but thanked her and said it wasn't necessary. In the following few weeks I got a few texts from her again asking me out for coffee. It got to the point where I figured what the hell, she's cute so I asked her instead of coffee, would she like to join me for dinner. She accepted and since then we've gone out a few times over the past few weeks.

Here's the thing. It feels weird because she's a client. I'm not afraid of getting in trouble with my employer, it's way past that point, but I don't know if she's just being nice to get free support. I've developed some feelings for her and think this is something I'd like to persue, but don't want to screw it up. I'm not sure if she's stringing me along for free computer support, or if she's actually interested. When we go out we don't talk about work, except for normal conversation like what we've been doing lately. She doesn't probe me for support at the dinner table or anything.

I'm sure she knows I'm interested, but neither of us has made any physical advances towards the other and I'm afraid if it takes too long it'll end up in that "just friends" category, if it's not already. I'm thinking of just going for an outright kiss next time we go out to see what happens. I figure if she refuses, then she's in it for the support. If not, hey, the ice is broken. However, I don't want to come off as creepy either. Anyone have any slick suggestions on how to proceed?

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  • ÄlphämönkëyÄlphämönkëy Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    If enough people work in your company, have another tech handle calls to her office. Let her know that you are having another guy take over for you out there, and life should be good. Simple and effective.

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  • pacbowlpacbowl Los AngelesRegistered User regular
    edited April 2007
    If enough people work in your company, have another tech handle calls to her office. Let her know that you are having another guy take over for you out there, and life should be good. Simple and effective.

    No, no. I'm not trying to get out of the situation. That's easy. I'm looking more for how to tell if she's interested or not without being a jackass.

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  • naporeonnaporeon Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited April 2007
    How do you tell if she's interested?

    Be direct.

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  • ege02ege02 __BANNED USERS regular
    edited April 2007
    Getting romantically involved with clients is a terribly bad idea.

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  • TurnerTurner Registered User regular
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    deleted.

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  • ege02ege02 __BANNED USERS regular
    edited April 2007
    Turner wrote: »
    i.e. 'I want to make sure that we are both on the same page, because I know things could be awkward if my intentions differ from yours. I don't want to pursue anything you are not comfortable with, but you should know that I am attracted to you in more than a tech-support kinda way.'

    If she blushes, you are golden. If not, run away.

    That is, if she doesn't run away first after hearing that terrible line.

    Look, you don't need to give a speech about it. Just ask her if she is single. That is all you have to do to give the message that you are interested.

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  • ruzkinruzkin Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Getting involved with a client is bad news, yes. But if you think you have something special going, consider - how long is she gonna be your client for? If your work with her is done within a few months then there's no problem with professionalism anymore, go for it. If you and her are going to be passing large amounts of money back and forth between businesses for years then... stay away.

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  • Mr_GrinchMr_Grinch Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    I agree with the above, add in to casual conversation a question about her home-life or partner.

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  • FantasmaFantasma Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    I don't see the problem, she is a woman, you are a man. Next time you see her, you could do the following:

    Ask do you have a boyfriend?. if the answer is no, just tell her: Look, I am not trying to bother you, but, I like you, and I would like to continue seeing you.

    Go from there. :P

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  • METAzraeLMETAzraeL Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Communication is everything, so yeah, just bring it up. I say it's more important to talk about what you think first, rather than make moves on her first. Sure, it's not as smooth, but it's always possible that she'll keep wooing you if she really does just want your skillllls.

    And if she rebuffs you, you get to tell her that the problem is on her end :D

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  • Mr PinkMr Pink I got cats for youRegistered User regular
    edited April 2007
    So is this thread for pouring out all girl related problems? If so, I have a doozy.

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  • drinkinstoutdrinkinstout Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Mr Pink wrote: »
    So is this thread for pouring out all girl related problems? If so, I have a doozy.

    nope, it is for helping pacbowl with his problem. If you would like to post yours feel free to make a new thread :)


    lol meta modding...


    pacbowl: I'll reiterate the above statements - during conversation, ask her if she is single: she will know your intentions immediately - depending on how she reacts you should then have some idea of how she feels about you.

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  • EggyToastEggyToast Jersey CityRegistered User regular
    edited April 2007
    I'm gonna buck the trend and say that she's obviously into YOU, and that while she may like the fact that you're helpful due to your job, she would not ask to catch coffee if she just wanted free support and like hell if she would go out to dinner with you if it was just work related.

    Has she ever mentioned you doing work for her while you were out on these dates? Cos they're full-on dates if you're catching dinner together. If she's not saying anything about you doing work for her on these dates, then she's going out with you because she likes you.

    If she's talking about how it would be so nice if you could swing by and do X and Y for her, then she's in it for the support.

    Are you the only person who offers support for the company? If not, if you two get more serious, perhaps make a point of having another guy go out if there's a call in the future, if you two develop into a more serious relationship. The sticking point with dating clients is similar to dating inside a company -- it can exacerbate any office politics and create awkward situations, which aren't fun to deal with. For instance, if you two were to have a falling out in a month or two, that might ruin relationships with your company. Which is why if you two do become more involved, it would probably be best if you had another guy handle the support calls.

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  • pacbowlpacbowl Los AngelesRegistered User regular
    edited April 2007
    I've already asked her that. On our second date I asked if she was seeing anyone and she said no. Since then I've given compliments and a few no-so-subtle hints that I'm interested so I'm pretty sure she knows, but I don't know how to take it to the next level without appearing desperate or creepy. I don't have a problem with asking her out, as we've made plans to visit the recently re-opened Griffith Park Observatory, but her work schedule makes it fairly hard for her to have a personal life. She owns a couple businesses and until she gets some more employees, she's having to do a lot herself.

    I've done the straight forward, sit down and talk thing but that generally scares them away and it never seems to work out right. I've also done the beat-around-the-bush thing and that never works out either. I know she likes to spend time with me, or else she wouldn't, and ideally I'd like to find out if she's interested in more before I go out on a limb but maybe that's what I have to do. I'm just trying to find the best way to approach it.

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  • pacbowlpacbowl Los AngelesRegistered User regular
    edited April 2007
    I'm not really worried about this whole client thing, although it does make it a bit odd because that's how we met. She doesn't have any contracts with my company so even if we did have a falling out it wouldn't affect my job much, and it would be easy to get another tech on it if she does ask for help.

    She's never mentioned doing any work for her "on the side" or anything, but that's one thing I'm afraid it will lead to. Not that I'm against helping her, but I don't want it as the basis for our relationship.

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  • drinkinstoutdrinkinstout Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    based on what you say, I wouldn't give the notion that shes using you for tech support any more thought. Not at all.

    As for how to progress? I uh... don't personally know :( the few times things have escalated for me they just kinda happened. I guess it depends on how you are spending your time together - are you always out in public together? are you ever alone? is there ever any romantic feel to the things you two do together?

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  • Chief1138Chief1138 Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Why would taking it to the next level make you look creepy? She's the one that asked you out to begin with, right? If it turns out she's not interested in you in "that" way, then she'll say as much and you can be friends instead, or something. Nothing creepy about that.

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  • FantasmaFantasma Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    There are many things that are out of our control, if she runs away, go on with your life. Just sit down and let her know you have fallen in love with her. Sometimes the best approach is to be honest and let your feelings speak with true words.

    P.S.

    You can even compose a poem or a monologue :lol:

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  • SeptusSeptus Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Maybe I'm a bit confused, but I dont' understand how there's even the question of interest on both parts, if the two of you have willingly gone out on several dates. And as for looking creepy or desperate? Getting physical is the natural, expected thing to do when dating someone. Kiss her on your next date, if only just as a goodnight thing.

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  • meekermeeker Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    I see this again and again in these girl threads...

    Apparently you missed the part where SHE ASKED YOU OUT! She is interested, there is no conspiracy to hide intentions, she went out with you again after that, and has some sort of plans to see you again. When you kiss her, she is going to say, "What took you so long."

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  • witch_iewitch_ie Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    I agree - she obviously likes you. If you want the relationship to progress, you could try kissing her on the cheek or the hand (at the end of the date), depending on your level of comfort. Also when you guys go to griffith observatory you could bring her a rose. That bumps things up to the romantic level quickly, especially at a place like that, and opens the door for kisses.

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  • GrundlterrorGrundlterror Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    pacbowl wrote: »
    I'm not really worried about this whole client thing, although it does make it a bit odd because that's how we met. She doesn't have any contracts with my company so even if we did have a falling out it wouldn't affect my job much, and it would be easy to get another tech on it if she does ask for help.

    She's never mentioned doing any work for her "on the side" or anything, but that's one thing I'm afraid it will lead to. Not that I'm against helping her, but I don't want it as the basis for our relationship.

    Dude... you are way way over analyzing this situation (I do the same thing).

    * She asked you out for coffee

    * She sent you TEXTS for coffee (is it just me or is this you only do to someone you really like? Doesn't seem professional)

    * You asked her out for dinner and she gladly went

    * You asked her if she was single, and she said yes

    Why are you afraid that she just wants something out of you? Believe it or not, you are a person and you have things to offer beyond your professional skills. You seem to be making excuses not to do this, when it should be the other way around (except in your case you don't need excuses because she's basically spelled it out for you). DO IT!

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  • SudsSuds Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    she's basically spelled it out for you


    I see it this way too. Just kiss her or something. I think that was your best idea so far.

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  • themightypuckthemightypuck MontanaRegistered User regular
    edited April 2007
    I always like that line from Spaulding Gray in "Sex and Death to the Age 14". Fuck her and find out.

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  • SerphimeraSerphimera Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    She likes you. If she was just trying to string you along for free tech support, she wouldn't have asked you out.

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  • Ambrose BalinAmbrose Balin Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Look man, I think that the situation you are in is actually pretty common for intelligent people who over-think things. The next step is actually obvious, but romantic banter seems awkward to those who actually analyze it. DON'T analyze it!!

    The next time (the VERY next time if you've already been on several dates) you go out, tell her after the date:

    "Hey, I thought it might be nice if you came over for coffee." An overthinking and intelligent person (aka nerd) might feel awkward about this approach because it seems so transparent, and possibly creepy. Like your trying to trick her into your house or something. I assure you that this is normal- and she'll only find it creepy if she isn't in to you. She is into you, though, it seems like.

    The biggest danger for you at this point is to not do anything. She won't wait around for ever. It's fairly common for people to start getting physical after a handful of dates. If you want that, you should try to steer things that way, and you don't have to be clever or subtle about it. Just invite her over and ask to kiss her. If she isn't into it just yet, she probably won't hold it against you that you are actually into her.

    To the sober mind, romantic and flirtatious behavior seem awkward when really thought about. Just don't think that much about it.

    Cheers, and good luck.

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