You guys, I'm beginning to suspect that this is probably the beginning of the end.
I'm decent in survival situations, I got ya fam.
You'll have to come to the east coast, but I got ya.
Once we meet up we can head down to AH's compound that I have marked off on a map in my precursor to a bug out bag.
Uruguay. Fuck North America and probably Mexico. Allll the way down to the backass of South America for me.
fyi weed is legal is Uruguay and they are in need of native english teachers.
Wait WTF!?
No joke, I scoped out basically every country on the damn planet and Uruguay is the best looking one to escape too.
Southern South America is basically free of outside influence. They want English teachers and they're super open to immigration. Especially native English speakers.
So uh, how is Uruguay this time of year? I say, as a person with a teaching degree and certified to teach English.
Nice from what I hear.
Seriously you can get in there on a tourist visa and become a citizen from fucking there. You never have to leave afterwards.
I think people are also a bit too "doomsday" in the thread too. Don't get me wrong. Shit will be bad. Some shit will be horrendous. But people in far worse situations than us have done far better. The world is only good or bad because me make it so, and none of the people here are powerless. None of us here are alone.
I probably contribute to the atmosphere some, but I'll make it clear that most of my posts are bitter comedy, not resignation.
We already had that oh so frighteningly christened Day of Patriotic Devotion. Constantly making up holidays and celebrations seems like a great way to keep the populace busy and distracted with nationalist horseshit.
I think people are also a bit too "doomsday" in the thread too. Don't get me wrong. Shit will be bad. Some shit will be horrendous. But people in far worse situations than us have done far better. The world is only good or bad because me make it so, and none of the people here are powerless. None of us here are alone.
I probably contribute to the atmosphere some, but I'll make it clear that most of my posts are bitter comedy, not resignation.
I think people are also a bit too "doomsday" in the thread too. Don't get me wrong. Shit will be bad. Some shit will be horrendous. But people in far worse situations than us have done far better. The world is only good or bad because me make it so, and none of the people here are powerless. None of us here are alone.
I probably contribute to the atmosphere some, but I'll make it clear that most of my posts are bitter comedy, not resignation.
It's definitely important to have perspective and we have to remember that the echo chamber can get pretty loud here.
But I don't want to be dismissive about people's feelings. There are folks here who will be directly and negatively impacted by what is happening. We don't really know what someone else is going through.
@Sir Landshark value your input on these numbers, but I figure its not unreasonable to put the material costs on the high side? I can't imagine thriftiness being a high priority. I fully expect the wall to cost 200%-300% over material prices but at the end of the day be built out of ground up mattresses and paper mache.
every day is exhausting and I am watching democracy erode before my eyes and no one seems to be saying anything day to day but all my coworkers are scared because we are scientists and I'm trying to write my dissertation and I can't focus on anything but the insane news coming out every day
You guys, I'm beginning to suspect that this is probably the beginning of the end.
I'm decent in survival situations, I got ya fam.
You'll have to come to the east coast, but I got ya.
Once we meet up we can head down to AH's compound that I have marked off on a map in my precursor to a bug out bag.
Uruguay. Fuck North America and probably Mexico. Allll the way down to the backass of South America for me.
fyi weed is legal is Uruguay and they are in need of native english teachers.
I did a bit of research after you posted this in the other thread and you are absolutely correct unless you have the funds and residency for somewhere in Europe, Australia or NZ. Foreigners welcome, stable democracy, good financial sector, no currency or capital restrictions, moderate CoL, good weather. The major negative is a slightly higher crime rate
Sir Landsharkresting shark faceRegistered Userregular
There's not really such a thing as quality or not quality cement or steel, at least when you buy in America (like most Federally funded projects already require and I'm sure the wall will be no exception). All the major suppliers conform to the same ASTM minimum standards which are more than sufficient.
Quality comes into play with the capabilities of the contracting firm, the labor used and the construction oversight. 2-3x the material price is fine but the concrete should be around $150/cy and the rebar should be a much lower quantity (by a factor of 3 at least) and about $1/lb (too lazy to convert and compare to their number)
I'm personally picturing something like the noise walls we install around here (Chicago area), that only have to resist wind and are there to block sound. Those get constructed at about $30/sf. For a 2000 mile long wall, 20 feet high and 5 feet deep you get about $8 B.
Of course once you get high enough where the wind starts becoming an issue and you need a thicker wall and more rebar and so on the $/sf price will increase along with the estimated quantity. And then you have all the other concerns like site access (I have no clue how accessible to major roads some of this stretch will be) and site prep (demo of the existing wall / clearing of brush, boulders, etc.). Plus if you want to build guard stations or install cameras or whatever.
Please consider the environment before printing this post.
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You guys, I'm beginning to suspect that this is probably the beginning of the end.
I'm decent in survival situations, I got ya fam.
You'll have to come to the east coast, but I got ya.
Once we meet up we can head down to AH's compound that I have marked off on a map in my precursor to a bug out bag.
Uruguay. Fuck North America and probably Mexico. Allll the way down to the backass of South America for me.
fyi weed is legal is Uruguay and they are in need of native english teachers.
I did a bit of research after you posted this in the other thread and you are absolutely correct unless you have the funds and residency for somewhere in Europe, Australia or NZ. Foreigners welcome, stable democracy, good financial sector, no currency or capital restrictions, moderate CoL, good weather. The major negative is a slightly higher crime rate
-socialized goddamned medicine- is the big one there Phy
I wouldn't normally rule a "You can't quit... you're fired!" situation, because Trump, but I doubt people like that would surrender the mission they believe in willingly.
It's policy that all appointed positions submit letters of resignation when an administration changes. Usually, the incoming administration is smart enough to reject the majority of them.
It's not policy in that it's not required; but rather etiquette.
This is how I know that Trump can accurately read his base. They would MUCH rather complain how much Obanacare sucks instead of actually getting rid of it.
There's not really such a thing as quality or not quality cement or steel, at least when you buy in America (like most Federally funded projects already require and I'm sure the wall will be no exception). All the major suppliers conform to the same ASTM minimum standards which are more than sufficient.
What about all those business-killing regulations that Trump has sworn to take down?
oh shit I actually have to deal with this for more than a few weeks
March is my pick for impeachment, maybe late February.
I think the very earliest we could possibly see an impeachment would be the middle of 2018, after the primaries. If Trump's numbers are low enough, the best time to strike would be after the primaries but before the general.
That said, I doubt they'll ever impeach him. They'll just eventually reshape their opinions to support whatever horseshit comes out of his mouth.
Remember that the norm for approval of a new President is high. Like super high, regardless of party.
The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
You guys, I'm beginning to suspect that this is probably the beginning of the end.
I'm decent in survival situations, I got ya fam.
You'll have to come to the east coast, but I got ya.
Once we meet up we can head down to AH's compound that I have marked off on a map in my precursor to a bug out bag.
Uruguay. Fuck North America and probably Mexico. Allll the way down to the backass of South America for me.
fyi weed is legal is Uruguay and they are in need of native english teachers.
I did a bit of research after you posted this in the other thread and you are absolutely correct unless you have the funds and residency for somewhere in Europe, Australia or NZ. Foreigners welcome, stable democracy, good financial sector, no currency or capital restrictions, moderate CoL, good weather. The major negative is a slightly higher crime rate
-socialized goddamned medicine- is the big one there Phy
Right. I generally take it for granted that everywhere except the US that you would want to go has some form of socialized healthcare
Sources say they're going to renege the Iran deal soon.
Isn't the cat out the bag here? Like can't other countries just carry on making deals with Iran?
I'm aware the US can make things difficult but I like to imagine that a company that has a contact to build planes for Iran will just carry on doing so.
The US can't get things to go back to how they were with Iran can they without a lot of other countries agreeing?
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Sir Landsharkresting shark faceRegistered Userregular
There's not really such a thing as quality or not quality cement or steel, at least when you buy in America (like most Federally funded projects already require and I'm sure the wall will be no exception). All the major suppliers conform to the same ASTM minimum standards which are more than sufficient.
What about all those business-killing regulations that Trump has sworn to take down?
I don't expect the infrastructure industry to be affected in that matter, but I'm not super knowledgeable on the materials side of the process and whether there's $s to be made by cutting corners by say, lowering your carbon content in steel.
Edit: I should add that I've never heard even a whiff of a rumor that the concrete/steel lobbying arm is interested in removing those regulations. They are probably more interested in losing regulations surrounding the bidding process.
Sir Landshark on
Please consider the environment before printing this post.
Can't say for sure (there are always assholes) but it does seem like opposition to DeVos is unifying on the Democratic side. So that's good.
I think any vote to confirm her, Sessions, or Pruitt should be grounds for a primary, regardless of my earlier statements about single symbolic votes. I guess I'm a hypocrite.
The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
There's not really such a thing as quality or not quality cement or steel, at least when you buy in America (like most Federally funded projects already require and I'm sure the wall will be no exception). All the major suppliers conform to the same ASTM minimum standards which are more than sufficient.
Quality comes into play with the capabilities of the contracting firm, the labor used and the construction oversight. 2-3x the material price is fine but the concrete should be around $150/cy and the rebar should be a much lower quantity (by a factor of 3 at least) and about $1/lb (too lazy to convert and compare to their number)
I'm personally picturing something like the noise walls we install around here (Chicago area), that only have to resist wind and are there to block sound. Those get constructed at about $30/sf. For a 2000 mile long wall, 20 feet high and 5 feet deep you get about $8 B.
Of course once you get high enough where the wind starts becoming an issue and you need a thicker wall and more rebar and so on the $/sf price will increase along with the estimated quantity. And then you have all the other concerns like site access (I have no clue how accessible to major roads some of this stretch will be) and site prep (demo of the existing wall / clearing of brush, boulders, etc.). Plus if you want to build guard stations or install cameras or whatever.
Most of the site is in the ass end of nowhere , not urban areas. Google map the border some time, it's nasty terrain.
There's not really such a thing as quality or not quality cement or steel, at least when you buy in America (like most Federally funded projects already require and I'm sure the wall will be no exception). All the major suppliers conform to the same ASTM minimum standards which are more than sufficient.
What about all those business-killing regulations that Trump has sworn to take down?
ASTM is not a government organization, so I think that there would be too much inertia to totally throw away the voluntary standards for The Wall. Could be wrong.
I feel so trolled by the pro Jeff Sessions commercial that just aired on damn MSNBC. What are you doing.
1) MSNBC ain't liberal outside of primetime
2) That's not really how ad buys work, anyway
The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
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You guys, I'm beginning to suspect that this is probably the beginning of the end.
I'm decent in survival situations, I got ya fam.
You'll have to come to the east coast, but I got ya.
Once we meet up we can head down to AH's compound that I have marked off on a map in my precursor to a bug out bag.
Uruguay. Fuck North America and probably Mexico. Allll the way down to the backass of South America for me.
fyi weed is legal is Uruguay and they are in need of native english teachers.
I did a bit of research after you posted this in the other thread and you are absolutely correct unless you have the funds and residency for somewhere in Europe, Australia or NZ. Foreigners welcome, stable democracy, good financial sector, no currency or capital restrictions, moderate CoL, good weather. The major negative is a slightly higher crime rate
-socialized goddamned medicine- is the big one there Phy
Right. I generally take it for granted that everywhere except the US that you would want to go has some form of socialized healthcare
right I forget that basically everyone else has it.
Still think we just need someone to flip his tv over to The Wall on NBC next Tuesday, maybe get them to show an episode where a minority couple loses everything in the end, he'll declare victory.
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Sir Landsharkresting shark faceRegistered Userregular
There's not really such a thing as quality or not quality cement or steel, at least when you buy in America (like most Federally funded projects already require and I'm sure the wall will be no exception). All the major suppliers conform to the same ASTM minimum standards which are more than sufficient.
Quality comes into play with the capabilities of the contracting firm, the labor used and the construction oversight. 2-3x the material price is fine but the concrete should be around $150/cy and the rebar should be a much lower quantity (by a factor of 3 at least) and about $1/lb (too lazy to convert and compare to their number)
I'm personally picturing something like the noise walls we install around here (Chicago area), that only have to resist wind and are there to block sound. Those get constructed at about $30/sf. For a 2000 mile long wall, 20 feet high and 5 feet deep you get about $8 B.
Of course once you get high enough where the wind starts becoming an issue and you need a thicker wall and more rebar and so on the $/sf price will increase along with the estimated quantity. And then you have all the other concerns like site access (I have no clue how accessible to major roads some of this stretch will be) and site prep (demo of the existing wall / clearing of brush, boulders, etc.). Plus if you want to build guard stations or install cameras or whatever.
Most of the site is in the ass end of nowhere , not urban areas. Google map the border some time, it's nasty terrain.
Urban areas are typical much more expensive to work in due to constrained ROW/access issues was my point. It may wind up being a wash.
Please consider the environment before printing this post.
There's not really such a thing as quality or not quality cement or steel, at least when you buy in America (like most Federally funded projects already require and I'm sure the wall will be no exception). All the major suppliers conform to the same ASTM minimum standards which are more than sufficient.
Quality comes into play with the capabilities of the contracting firm, the labor used and the construction oversight. 2-3x the material price is fine but the concrete should be around $150/cy and the rebar should be a much lower quantity (by a factor of 3 at least) and about $1/lb (too lazy to convert and compare to their number)
I'm personally picturing something like the noise walls we install around here (Chicago area), that only have to resist wind and are there to block sound. Those get constructed at about $30/sf. For a 2000 mile long wall, 20 feet high and 5 feet deep you get about $8 B.
Of course once you get high enough where the wind starts becoming an issue and you need a thicker wall and more rebar and so on the $/sf price will increase along with the estimated quantity. And then you have all the other concerns like site access (I have no clue how accessible to major roads some of this stretch will be) and site prep (demo of the existing wall / clearing of brush, boulders, etc.). Plus if you want to build guard stations or install cameras or whatever.
Most of the site is in the ass end of nowhere , not urban areas. Google map the border some time, it's nasty terrain.
Urban areas are typical much more expensive to work in due to constrained ROW/access issues was my point. It may wind up being a wash.
Good thing our President believes in values like extortion.
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I had a very similar conversation with my wife about how the kitchen was a mess, the messiest it gets.
This was in no way related to me simultaneously smashing every dish and jar I could get my hands on against the wall. No way at all
You can't give someone a pirate ship in one game, and then take it back in the next game. It's rude.
Nice from what I hear.
Seriously you can get in there on a tourist visa and become a citizen from fucking there. You never have to leave afterwards.
I probably contribute to the atmosphere some, but I'll make it clear that most of my posts are bitter comedy, not resignation.
We already had that oh so frighteningly christened Day of Patriotic Devotion. Constantly making up holidays and celebrations seems like a great way to keep the populace busy and distracted with nationalist horseshit.
Well at least we know who to blame.
Or else.
I can't imagine them actually realizing something was dumb, so I wonder what caused it to be postponed.
Hey Dems, I have an easy message for you
a few hours
then you realize
oh shit I actually have to deal with this for more than a few weeks
March is my pick for impeachment, maybe late February.
I hope his legal defense is literally "I'm in trumps america, I have money so this is ok now"
It's definitely important to have perspective and we have to remember that the echo chamber can get pretty loud here.
But I don't want to be dismissive about people's feelings. There are folks here who will be directly and negatively impacted by what is happening. We don't really know what someone else is going through.
https://www.google.com/trends/explore?q=25th amendment
it's gonna be ten times worse
I did a bit of research after you posted this in the other thread and you are absolutely correct unless you have the funds and residency for somewhere in Europe, Australia or NZ. Foreigners welcome, stable democracy, good financial sector, no currency or capital restrictions, moderate CoL, good weather. The major negative is a slightly higher crime rate
Quality comes into play with the capabilities of the contracting firm, the labor used and the construction oversight. 2-3x the material price is fine but the concrete should be around $150/cy and the rebar should be a much lower quantity (by a factor of 3 at least) and about $1/lb (too lazy to convert and compare to their number)
I'm personally picturing something like the noise walls we install around here (Chicago area), that only have to resist wind and are there to block sound. Those get constructed at about $30/sf. For a 2000 mile long wall, 20 feet high and 5 feet deep you get about $8 B.
Of course once you get high enough where the wind starts becoming an issue and you need a thicker wall and more rebar and so on the $/sf price will increase along with the estimated quantity. And then you have all the other concerns like site access (I have no clue how accessible to major roads some of this stretch will be) and site prep (demo of the existing wall / clearing of brush, boulders, etc.). Plus if you want to build guard stations or install cameras or whatever.
-socialized goddamned medicine- is the big one there Phy
It's not policy in that it's not required; but rather etiquette.
This is how I know that Trump can accurately read his base. They would MUCH rather complain how much Obanacare sucks instead of actually getting rid of it.
Really hard to focus on spreadsheets when I'm spending all of my time reading news about his bullshit.
What about all those business-killing regulations that Trump has sworn to take down?
I think the very earliest we could possibly see an impeachment would be the middle of 2018, after the primaries. If Trump's numbers are low enough, the best time to strike would be after the primaries but before the general.
That said, I doubt they'll ever impeach him. They'll just eventually reshape their opinions to support whatever horseshit comes out of his mouth.
Right. I generally take it for granted that everywhere except the US that you would want to go has some form of socialized healthcare
Isn't the cat out the bag here? Like can't other countries just carry on making deals with Iran?
I'm aware the US can make things difficult but I like to imagine that a company that has a contact to build planes for Iran will just carry on doing so.
The US can't get things to go back to how they were with Iran can they without a lot of other countries agreeing?
I don't expect the infrastructure industry to be affected in that matter, but I'm not super knowledgeable on the materials side of the process and whether there's $s to be made by cutting corners by say, lowering your carbon content in steel.
Edit: I should add that I've never heard even a whiff of a rumor that the concrete/steel lobbying arm is interested in removing those regulations. They are probably more interested in losing regulations surrounding the bidding process.
I think any vote to confirm her, Sessions, or Pruitt should be grounds for a primary, regardless of my earlier statements about single symbolic votes. I guess I'm a hypocrite.
Most of the site is in the ass end of nowhere , not urban areas. Google map the border some time, it's nasty terrain.
ASTM is not a government organization, so I think that there would be too much inertia to totally throw away the voluntary standards for The Wall. Could be wrong.
1) MSNBC ain't liberal outside of primetime
2) That's not really how ad buys work, anyway
right I forget that basically everyone else has it.
sorry didn't mean to be a dick.
Urban areas are typical much more expensive to work in due to constrained ROW/access issues was my point. It may wind up being a wash.
Reminder: MSNBC is the home of Morning fucking Joe
Good thing our President believes in values like extortion.
Almost two minutes.
Also Rachel Maddow.
and no one fucking watches Morning Joe anyways.