While I'm playing my super hero game, I don't wanna see an exclusive Kamala bubble gum emote from 5Gum every time I play with friends. Maybe if 5Gum does some charitable work with Avengers gum sales, I'll give them props.
Here's an idea for you. If charitable works are such a priority for you, instead of spending money on video games and wasting time on your couch, donate your own time and money to charities that are important. Instead of wasting time posting in this thread about how evil this game is, why don't you donate that to working at a local homeless shelter or soup kitchen? Even a couple hours a week of volunteer time could make a big difference.
Or you can just pontificate about how evil corporations are evil, all while playing your super hero game and bitching to your friend who used the code he got from a pack of gum he was going to buy anyways to unlock a skin in a stupid video game. That's sure to change the world.
While I'm playing my super hero game, I don't wanna see an exclusive Kamala bubble gum emote from 5Gum every time I play with friends. Maybe if 5Gum does some charitable work with Avengers gum sales, I'll give them props.
Here's an idea for you. If charitable works are such a priority for you, instead of spending money on video games and wasting time on your couch, donate your own time and money to charities that are important. Instead of wasting time posting in this thread about how evil this game is, why don't you donate that to working at a local homeless shelter or soup kitchen? Even a couple hours a week of volunteer time could make a big difference.
Or you can just pontificate about how evil corporations are evil, all while playing your super hero game and bitching to your friend who used the code he got from a pack of gum he was going to buy anyways to unlock a skin in a stupid video game. That's sure to change the world.
If we could actually get large corporations to stop exploiting people in the ever-expanding search for ALL OF THE MONEY, it would do much more tangible good than working at a soup kitchen.
That's not to say you shouldn't volunteer at a soup kitchen, but trying to shame people for rightfully criticizing billion dollar corporations isn't helping anyone.
While I'm playing my super hero game, I don't wanna see an exclusive Kamala bubble gum emote from 5Gum every time I play with friends. Maybe if 5Gum does some charitable work with Avengers gum sales, I'll give them props.
Here's an idea for you. If charitable works are such a priority for you, instead of spending money on video games and wasting time on your couch, donate your own time and money to charities that are important. Instead of wasting time posting in this thread about how evil this game is, why don't you donate that to working at a local homeless shelter or soup kitchen? Even a couple hours a week of volunteer time could make a big difference.
Or you can just pontificate about how evil corporations are evil, all while playing your super hero game and bitching to your friend who used the code he got from a pack of gum he was going to buy anyways to unlock a skin in a stupid video game. That's sure to change the world.
Man this is such a goosey post. You can do both. I play lots of games AND I donate lots of money AND I work for a civil rights non-profit. AND I bitch about corporations bleeding money out of people when they make billions of dollars of profit already.
I play lots of games AND I donate lots of money AND I work for a civil rights non-profit.
That's awesome. And that's exactly my point. I too, play lots of games, and donate lots of time AND money to charitable causes. I also work for a subsidiary owned by one of the wealthiest men in the world, and I advocate for change and doing the right thing within my own sphere of influence inside that corporation. And while we do try to make tidy profit at the end of the year, it's so that we can do what we believe makes world a better place.
But the idea that corporations are evil is such a trope.
A wise man once said, "Be the change you wish to see in the world."
But anyway, I'll leave it at that and jump in again when we're actually talking about video games again. Sorry for my part in driving this thread so far off topic.
While I'm playing my super hero game, I don't wanna see an exclusive Kamala bubble gum emote from 5Gum every time I play with friends. Maybe if 5Gum does some charitable work with Avengers gum sales, I'll give them props.
Here's an idea for you. If charitable works are such a priority for you, instead of spending money on video games and wasting time on your couch, donate your own time and money to charities that are important. Instead of wasting time posting in this thread about how evil this game is, why don't you donate that to working at a local homeless shelter or soup kitchen? Even a couple hours a week of volunteer time could make a big difference.
Or you can just pontificate about how evil corporations are evil, all while playing your super hero game and bitching to your friend who used the code he got from a pack of gum he was going to buy anyways to unlock a skin in a stupid video game. That's sure to change the world.
Dang it, if you had only instructed him to develop his own game if he's such an expert about game quality, I would have hit Bingo on my laughably bad argument strategies card.
It actually felt like the performance was somewhat / slightly better last weekend after the update, but that could've been in my head....especially as it also seemed my AI friends were even dumber.
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I haven't found patch notes for today's patch, but last week's patch notes included a decrease in the amount of screen shake.
Nah, this is under a "feedback for future patch" section. Basically they're aware it is an issue but definitely wasn't in last week's patch. Maybe this week? Maybe release? We don't know yet.
So upthread we talked a little about the monetized DLC/Brand deal promos going on in the game. And funnily enough, the indie smash hit Fall Guys came up in the discussion:
Jim Sterling is fine with DLC. Well, actual story DLC stuff, just not predatory cosmetic/EXP booster/day one DLC nonsense that should just be in the base game. While he certainly despises microtransactions, he mostly despises them in games you already paid full price for. Even then, microtransactions won't sink his enjoyment of games - he very much enjoys Fall Guys, even though that game has some pretty in your face microtransactions.
Fall Guys is a good example to bring up when comparing to this game. Both games intend to continue adding content for you to enjoy for years to come at no additional cost. They both intend to do so by offering optional cosmetic purchases (along with cosmetics you can earn in game!) and that's...it. That's all you'll ever pay money for after the game itself.
I know he's a smart guy so I'm sure he understands that there's costs associated with producing additional content. The thing is I know he understands this but somehow expects this money to appear out of nowhere? In the end Square Enix/Marvel/etc aren't going to support a game indefinitely for free. If the sacrifice to having a solid game that's fun to play as our favorite superheroes and you don't have to pay for years of additional content is some cosmetic skins in a shop and Verizon recoloring some generic looking skins? I think that's worth it. With that being said I AM annoyed by the Spider-Man thing, even though I have a PS4, but can't win em all.
So interestingly, Fall Guys decided to follow suit... Except in the totally opposite direction.
If you can't see the tweet, Fall Guys has decided to auction off their Brand deal to the highest bidder, but unlike Disney and Square, decided to put it in the hands of those in need rather than further line their pockets. What followed is a bidding war that is nearly half MILLION dollars, which the highest bid coming from Ninja (fuckin lmao).
So not only did Fall Guys see the potential in a Brand deal, but they used it raised money for a good cause. Special Effects is a UK based org that creates custom gaming setups for those with disabilities.
Really kinda makes the whole "Verizon and 5gum" skins feel that much more scummy, don't ya think. Makes me wonder how Fall Guys is gonna possibly cover these insane development costs while also just giving away branded deal money to sick kids. Wonder how they managed that miracle... The world may never know.
I 100% love Fall Guys and they're clearly being super stand up about everything. They're using their position for good. This is great!
But you do know that this is apples and oranges right? Fall Guys is going to have a lot more leeway on what they can do, plus they've got an absolute breakout hit right now. Imo, Avengers isn't going to hit the same type of popularity burst. It'll come out, it'll do fine, but you won't have hundreds of thousands of people cheering on a streamer finally getting his first crown. It's a unique situation after they've already literally made millions from the game. Funding for the team, which is going to be much smaller than Avengers, is already secured. These guys made it (and it's clear they deserve it in every way).
But they also don't have to worry about adding characters with additional movesets (and the balancing thereof). They don't have to add additional story. They don't need a huge cast of voice actors. Don't get me wrong, Fall Guys does exactly what it sets out to do and performs and looks exactly how you'd expect. But if you think that the size of the team and costs of maintaining each game are comparable then I'm at a loss for what to tell you.
And yes, when it comes down to it, Disney/Marvel is greedy af and wants all of the money. Doesn't mean the game itself is bad.
The game itself is a product of greed. They could have made it a standard, single player w/co-op 50 hour campaign experience. They could have charged money for the expansions/characters, like Spidey PS4 did. They didn't do that. They had dollar signs the size of Texas in their eyes when they got the property. So they made it a live service game, told everyone the DLC will be "free" (remember kids, nothing in life is truly free), and are trying to milk as much money out of whales using predatory DLC schemes to wring as much money out of the property as possible.
The game does not exist in a vacuum. Fall Guys being a small dev should mean it's harder for them to do charitable work, because they aren't backed by several different mega corps! Fall Guys is an example you yourself used up thread in that very quote, but now it's "too different" to use as an example, eh?
Nah, I calls it as I sees it. And this game is the product of corporate greed. They could have had a certified hit on their hands, and also could have used the hype to generate good things rather than fatten their wallets with brand deals. They didn't. That simple.
The game itself is a product of greed. They could have made it a standard, single player w/co-op 50 hour campaign experience. They could have charged money for the expansions/characters, like Spidey PS4 did. They didn't do that. They had dollar signs the size of Texas in their eyes when they got the property. So they made it a live service game, told everyone the DLC will be "free" (remember kids, nothing in life is truly free), and are trying to milk as much money out of whales using predatory DLC schemes to wring as much money out of the property as possible.
The game does not exist in a vacuum. Fall Guys being a small dev should mean it's harder for them to do charitable work, because they aren't backed by several different mega corps! Fall Guys is an example you yourself used up thread in that very quote, but now it's "too different" to use as an example, eh?
Nah, I calls it as I sees it. And this game is the product of corporate greed. They could have had a certified hit on their hands, and also could have used the hype to generate good things rather than fatten their wallets with brand deals. They didn't. That simple.
It's similar in their monetization setup, future development is funded by in-game cosmetic purchases. Though Fall Guys making millions from initial sales alone means they're less reliant on this for the time being.
It's not similar in type of game or scope or actual costs.
And to be clear, the MCU exists as a product of corporate greed. The mainstream popularity of these characters is wrapped up in the fact that each movie that comes out makes Disney a lot of cash. If it didn't, they'd stop making movies. Heck, if it merely broke even they'd stop making these movies. I'm not shocked that the game based on the same properties is intended to generate revenue, and it's their right to do so. Drawing the line at "well they don't donate all of their promotional cash!!" is rather absurd and locks you out of, well, most games. Most games also don't start running large promotional charity drives until they're, you know, released and have the flexibility to do so. Fortunately for Fall Guys they hit that point fast because of how insanely good initial sales were.
It's wrong when the movies do it, too! They made 76 million dollars for other brands by featuring cars in the Avengers Endgame! Again if you just wanna turn your brain off and just enjoy something, go for it, but right now I'm at a place in my life where I'm done making excuses for the big guys taking in millions off of brand deals. I don't wanna see Spider-man stop everything to enjoy an ice cold Dr. Pepper, in the games or movies. That's something that Spider-man PS4 did really well, the only cross promo was with Spider-man movies themselves, and like I said the games are just fancy commercials for the movies at this point.
The point I'm making is it doesn't have to be this way. It doesn't have to continue just because it is the status quo. We've let it get this bad through supporting them regardless, and I'm personally quite done. You can keep on rocking in the free world and buy whatever you want, just like I'm allowed to call them out on predatory or unnecessary business practices.
I also find it funny the lengths to which this thread is going to make it seem so easy for Fall Guys dev team to generate so much for charity. I'm honestly quite impressed with the team and what they've done, and people in here trying to belittle that effort just seems gross. I'm not inherently saying every game should donate their revenue streams, but the ones I personally like supporting like Bungie have done many many charity events. I like donating to good causes I was going to donate to anyways and getting a free in game trinket. It's low cost on the dev side, and high reward for everyone involved. Win/win.
In terms of social evils, cross-promotions are really low on the list. Our society isn't degraded because Little Orphan Annie hawked secret decoder rings for Ovaltine in the '40s, McDonalds gave away Star Wars glasses in the '70s, or Under-roos sold Spider-Man jammies.
It's wrong when the movies do it, too! They made 76 million dollars for other brands by featuring cars in the Avengers Endgame! Again if you just wanna turn your brain off and just enjoy something, go for it, but right now I'm at a place in my life where I'm done making excuses for the big guys taking in millions off of brand deals. I don't wanna see Spider-man stop everything to enjoy an ice cold Dr. Pepper, in the games or movies. That's something that Spider-man PS4 did really well, the only cross promo was with Spider-man movies themselves, and like I said the games are just fancy commercials for the movies at this point.
The point I'm making is it doesn't have to be this way. It doesn't have to continue just because it is the status quo. We've let it get this bad through supporting them regardless, and I'm personally quite done. You can keep on rocking in the free world and buy whatever you want, just like I'm allowed to call them out on predatory or unnecessary business practices.
I also find it funny the lengths to which this thread is going to make it seem so easy for Fall Guys dev team to generate so much for charity. I'm honestly quite impressed with the team and what they've done, and people in here trying to belittle that effort just seems gross. I'm not inherently saying every game should donate their revenue streams, but the ones I personally like supporting like Bungie have done many many charity events. I like donating to good causes I was going to donate to anyways and getting a free in game trinket. It's low cost on the dev side, and high reward for everyone involved. Win/win.
From what we've seen so far there are zero product placements in Avengers. And if your argument is the Verizon costumes, they're literally just red color schemes. No logos, no nothing. I could make my Fall Guy red too, does that mean I'm advertising for Verizon? Cap doesn't get on his Verizon labeled phone. Kamala doesn't open a pack of 5 gum for her emote. Most people who play the game aren't even going to know these promotions existed.
Re: Fall Guys I'm definitely not downplaying the amount of work or effort that went into that game. As I said I 100% love the game and will continue to support it. I think it's great that they're doing what they're doing! But also lets not pretend that a smaller indie team suddenly getting several million dollars doesn't open a lot of doors for them? They totally deserve the success, but to ignore the context of how they're able to do something like this doesn't do anyone any favors.
In terms of social evils, cross-promotions are really low on the list. Our society isn't degraded because Little Orphan Annie hawked secret decoder rings for Ovaltine in the '40s, McDonalds gave away Star Wars glasses in the '70s, or Under-roos sold Spider-Man jammies.
Also, this. Avengers doesn't have loot boxes and it's not trying to sell you small parts of the game individually for $5 a pop. No content is locked behind a paywall. You can't buy gear and you can't even pay to increase the rate at which you advance. There's a hundred monetization schemes in games that are objectively worse than what Avengers is doing. Some of which Jay champions, such as Destiny 2 with their yearly expansion + mandatory season purchases (and yes, to get all the content in the game you have to buy the seasons).
But because a few existing Verizon costumers get an extra red costume in the game (a timed exclusive btw) Avengers is the worst game to exist. The disconnect is jarring to me.
Edit: I'll acknowledge that we obviously have no foresight for what a year or two from now looks like in this game. I'm basing this entirely on what they've said so far which is that characters and story will be free. I don't think it's reasonable to go in with the pessimistic view that they're outright lying here, but it's not impossible that plans changes down the road.
Reminder Destiny is a free game. I've played a handful of seasons without the pass, it is hardly mandatory. Yeah, the big Fall expansion is hard to skip, but you could if you wanted to. Avengers is a full 60 dollar game. If they drop a free version down the line, then we can talk.
In the end, different strokes for different folks. Everything this game has done all the way down has been mistakes in my eyes. They can handle a little criticism on this shit, just like Bungie has been criticized for literally years and also has done a lot of work to address many of those criticisms. Bungie doesn't have big studio backing them like Crystal Dynamics does, they aren't working with a property owned by maybe the biggest company on the planet. I haven't heard a single good justification for the brand deals other than "dev costs" which is laughable in the face of Disney's monolithic stack of money, properties and products.
Reminder Destiny is a free game. I've played a handful of seasons without the pass, it is hardly mandatory. Yeah, the big Fall expansion is hard to skip, but you could if you wanted to. Avengers is a full 60 dollar game. If they drop a free version down the line, then we can talk.
In the end, different strokes for different folks. Everything this game has done all the way down has been mistakes in my eyes. They can handle a little criticism on this shit, just like Bungie has been criticized for literally years and also has done a lot of work to address many of those criticisms. Bungie doesn't have big studio backing them like Crystal Dynamics does, they aren't working with a property owned by maybe the biggest company on the planet. I haven't heard a single good justification for the brand deals other than "dev costs" which is laughable in the face of Disney's monolithic stack of money, properties and products.
It only became a free game recently, we're talking about the 6 years od destiny and destiny 2. They just changed a bunch of policies dont act like its been the norm for the game though.
I don't know why we have to keep going in circles. Yes, with Activision at the wheel they fucked up a lot. Since then, they've righted many of those wrongs. Maybe Avengers will have a similar story arc of redemption? But Bungie got shit for years for the console exclusive content, and immediately dropped it as soon as they could. Their cash store is about to be completely revamped to put more cosmetics back into the actual game.
It's actually laughable to compare Destiny now to what Avengers looks to be. I hope I'm wrong, and they right the ship. But it is not a good look at all, and they haven't changed my opinion yet.
Like seriously go comb through the old destiny threads and you'll see me having these same conversations but holding Bungie accountable... And well would you look at that they stopped doing most of the terrible shit I hated back then!
Reminder Destiny is a free game. I've played a handful of seasons without the pass, it is hardly mandatory. Yeah, the big Fall expansion is hard to skip, but you could if you wanted to. Avengers is a full 60 dollar game. If they drop a free version down the line, then we can talk.
In the end, different strokes for different folks. Everything this game has done all the way down has been mistakes in my eyes. They can handle a little criticism on this shit, just like Bungie has been criticized for literally years and also has done a lot of work to address many of those criticisms. Bungie doesn't have big studio backing them like Crystal Dynamics does, they aren't working with a property owned by maybe the biggest company on the planet. I haven't heard a single good justification for the brand deals other than "dev costs" which is laughable in the face of Disney's monolithic stack of money, properties and products.
Disney isnt making this game
wait did you think Disney pays for ANYTHING related to this games development?
I don't know why we have to keep going in circles. Yes, with Activision at the wheel they fucked up a lot. Since then, they've righted many of those wrongs. Maybe Avengers will have a similar story arc of redemption? But Bungie got shit for years for the console exclusive content, and immediately dropped it as soon as they could. Their cash store is about to be completely revamped to put more cosmetics back into the actual game.
It's actually laughable to compare Destiny now to what Avengers looks to be. I hope I'm wrong, and they right the ship. But it is not a good look at all, and they haven't changed my opinion yet.
Like seriously go comb through the old destiny threads and you'll see me having these same conversations but holding Bungie accountable... And well would you look at that they stopped doing most of the terrible shit I hated back then!
Its one character and some skins vs weapons and a whole strike. And there were a limited number of strikes. This game has said future expansion would be free. So no season passes missing content that only sony has. Spiderman pisses me off but so far thats about it.
Reminder Destiny is a free game. I've played a handful of seasons without the pass, it is hardly mandatory. Yeah, the big Fall expansion is hard to skip, but you could if you wanted to. Avengers is a full 60 dollar game. If they drop a free version down the line, then we can talk.
In the end, different strokes for different folks. Everything this game has done all the way down has been mistakes in my eyes. They can handle a little criticism on this shit, just like Bungie has been criticized for literally years and also has done a lot of work to address many of those criticisms. Bungie doesn't have big studio backing them like Crystal Dynamics does, they aren't working with a property owned by maybe the biggest company on the planet. I haven't heard a single good justification for the brand deals other than "dev costs" which is laughable in the face of Disney's monolithic stack of money, properties and products.
The seasons are absolutely mandatory if you want access to everything. You're literally locked out of the seasonal exotic weapon quests if you don't have it. That's a whole cool weapon you just can't have because you didn't pay up. Not to mention xp boosts and the other benefits you get from the paid seasonal track.
The free version is the hook to get you into playing the game, but as a free player you miss out on all of the currently ongoing story, along with any raids, dungeons, weapons, or subclasses that came with Forsaken or Shadowkeep. If you want to limit your experience entirely to "Year 1" yeah, you can play for free. If you want to play anything that has been added to the game recently you're coughing up cash. And then you'll continue to do so every time a new expansion drops.
You played and didn't like the game, we know you don't like the business Square is doing.
So why do you continue to post in here? Like honestly you just make this thread miserable.
Please go make a videogame industry business thread to wage your personal war in or pen an op-ed in like Gamasutra or something. Like this is obviously going to be a repeating pattern anytime you find something you can relate back to your dislike of the game.
Added an option in Settings to adjust Camera Shake Sensitivity
Decreased amount of motion blur during sprint and flight
Multiple improvements and optimizations made to matchmaking
Changed default settings to wide combat camera distance, heavy targeting assistance and matchmaking disabled
Improvement to vaulting
Fixed several reported crashes
Fixed issue with multiple Super Heroes spawning
Decreased delay of loot drops
Save game optimizations
Beta Update 1.5.0 – PS4 and Xbox One
Fixed rare issue of players losing certain gear
Additional matchmaking improvements
Rare crashes fixes
Moved Enable Matchmaking prompt to occur after the War Table is unlocked
Added a link to 1st Party store to main menu
Beta Update - Steam
We’ll be posting Steam patch notes separately. Keep an eye out!
So they did get the shake sensitivity and motion blur stuff in, nice! And the changes to the default settings is a smart move imo
Reminder Destiny is a free game. I've played a handful of seasons without the pass, it is hardly mandatory. Yeah, the big Fall expansion is hard to skip, but you could if you wanted to. Avengers is a full 60 dollar game. If they drop a free version down the line, then we can talk.
In the end, different strokes for different folks. Everything this game has done all the way down has been mistakes in my eyes. They can handle a little criticism on this shit, just like Bungie has been criticized for literally years and also has done a lot of work to address many of those criticisms. Bungie doesn't have big studio backing them like Crystal Dynamics does, they aren't working with a property owned by maybe the biggest company on the planet. I haven't heard a single good justification for the brand deals other than "dev costs" which is laughable in the face of Disney's monolithic stack of money, properties and products.
Disney isnt making this game
wait did you think Disney pays for ANYTHING related to this games development?
Disney is very much making the game 🤣 Square can't make an Avengers game just because they felt like it. It's a partnership.
Reminder Destiny is a free game. I've played a handful of seasons without the pass, it is hardly mandatory. Yeah, the big Fall expansion is hard to skip, but you could if you wanted to. Avengers is a full 60 dollar game. If they drop a free version down the line, then we can talk.
In the end, different strokes for different folks. Everything this game has done all the way down has been mistakes in my eyes. They can handle a little criticism on this shit, just like Bungie has been criticized for literally years and also has done a lot of work to address many of those criticisms. Bungie doesn't have big studio backing them like Crystal Dynamics does, they aren't working with a property owned by maybe the biggest company on the planet. I haven't heard a single good justification for the brand deals other than "dev costs" which is laughable in the face of Disney's monolithic stack of money, properties and products.
The seasons are absolutely mandatory if you want access to everything. You're literally locked out of the seasonal exotic weapon quests if you don't have it. That's a whole cool weapon you just can't have because you didn't pay up. Not to mention xp boosts and the other benefits you get from the paid seasonal track.
The free version is the hook to get you into playing the game, but as a free player you miss out on all of the currently ongoing story, along with any raids, dungeons, weapons, or subclasses that came with Forsaken or Shadowkeep. If you want to limit your experience entirely to "Year 1" yeah, you can play for free. If you want to play anything that has been added to the game recently you're coughing up cash. And then you'll continue to do so every time a new expansion drops.
Again I've said the big Fall expansion is worth the money and then some. You can absolutely skip the season pass though, it's not that much content. If you wanna raid and get extra subclasses, it's worth picking up the expansions. Meanwhile it's game that literally pioneered the live service model, has restructured it several times, and is still actively working to make it a better game for those playing.
It's comparing apples to oranges, but the oranges have a 5gum co-branding deal and is the face of a billion dollar orange movie franchise.
You played and didn't like the game, we know you don't like the business Square is doing.
So why do you continue to post in here? Like honestly you just make this thread miserable.
Please go make a videogame industry business thread to wage your personal war in or pen an op-ed in like Gamasutra or something. Like this is obviously going to be a repeating pattern anytime you find something you can relate back to your dislike of the game.
Industry threads are banned from the forums. This is the place to discuss the game, yes? I'm here to discuss it! If you don't like my posts, the ignore button is still there. I'm allowed to talk about the game, even if I dislike it. I'm allowed to criticize the game, want better from it, and hold it to a higher standard than what they've shown us.
My problem is youre comparing destiny today, and calling it a free game, when the past 6 years it was a $60 game + 2 expansions a year. That were mandatory and you know it.
I'm not ignoring it, I gave them shit for it for a long ass time. Why are you ignoring my replies? I gave Bungie and Activision shit for years for console exclusive crap, the cash store and micro transactions being predatory, every bit of it! Believe me, I love being told that I'm a hypocrite when I've been very consistent this whole time.
Yes Destiny fucked up a whole lot. And they still through it all did right by the players, changed things to make it better for them, and even did the historic move of saying so long Activision, and went independent. They broke a contract that would have made them millions, in service of saving the game and it's community.
I'm not ignoring it, I gave them shit for it for a long ass time. Why are you ignoring my replies? I gave Bungie and Activision shit for years for console exclusive crap, the cash store and micro transactions being predatory, every bit of it! Believe me, I love being told that I'm a hypocrite when I've been very consistent this whole time.
Yes Destiny fucked up a whole lot. And they still through it all did right by the players, changed things to make it better for them, and even did the historic move of saying so long Activision, and went independent. They broke a contract that would have made them millions, in service of saving the game and it's community.
Yet you played it, kept buying in every time , even though it had problems. And you stuck with it for 6 years. But youre giving this game trouble when it basically has one sony exclusicr character. Which sucks, but destiny had more exclusive content. And they've said future content for this is free. No more paying $60 a year for a mmo lite. That people only played because the vasic game play was good.
And the basic gameplay in this is good if you give it a chance abd look at the skill trees. Its MUA in a 3d world with 3 other players.
Little PSA since I found a workaround for my Square Enix Account issue from last weekend (found it about 3 hours before the beta closed, then got mad at myself for not thinking of it earlier).
So anyway, I had a Square Enix account already because I'd played FFXIV and I played it thru Steam. For some reason it didn't show steam as being linked in my SE account page (where it showed FFXIV as linked). It was erroring when I tried to link Steam, saying it was already linked. I was also not getting any emails from any of their systems to confirm I was linked or any of that.
So the workaround turned out to be pretty simple, really.
1) Log out, incognito mode, or open another browser and go to the Square Enix Members site.
2) Log in with Steam
3) This is basically creating a new, 'dummy' SE account. I fed it an alternate E-mail address.
4) Link this dummy account to something else (I used Facebook).
5) Unlink Steam from the dummy account. It won't let you do this if you don't link something else in step 4.
6) Now steam will properly link to your main SE account.
Basically forcing Square Enix to recognize that my steam account was not linked to any SE account, and then I could link 'em up. If anybody else has an issue like mine, hopefully that helps.
I'm not ignoring it, I gave them shit for it for a long ass time. Why are you ignoring my replies? I gave Bungie and Activision shit for years for console exclusive crap, the cash store and micro transactions being predatory, every bit of it! Believe me, I love being told that I'm a hypocrite when I've been very consistent this whole time.
Yes Destiny fucked up a whole lot. And they still through it all did right by the players, changed things to make it better for them, and even did the historic move of saying so long Activision, and went independent. They broke a contract that would have made them millions, in service of saving the game and it's community.
Yet you played it, kept buying in every time , even though it had problems. And you stuck with it for 6 years. But youre giving this game trouble when it basically has one sony exclusicr character. Which sucks, but destiny had more exclusive content. And they've said future content for this is free. No more paying $60 a year for a mmo lite. That people only played because the vasic game play was good.
And the basic gameplay in this is good if you give it a chance abd look at the skill trees. Its MUA in a 3d world with 3 other players.
You don't know that, I quit destiny multiple times!! Why are you obsessed with telling me my experience with the game? There have been many times in the life of the game where I took month long breaks, didn't buy the expansions because I was upset and annoyed with the state of the game. Jesus. Stop telling me what I support, I've been very consistent this whole time about what bothers me and what doesn't. I've fully admitted Bungie (UNDER ACTIVISION) fucked up a whole lot, and I was mad then and I'm mad now.
Little PSA since I found a workaround for my Square Enix Account issue from last weekend (found it about 3 hours before the beta closed, then got mad at myself for not thinking of it earlier).
So anyway, I had a Square Enix account already because I'd played FFXIV and I played it thru Steam. For some reason it didn't show steam as being linked in my SE account page (where it showed FFXIV as linked). It was erroring when I tried to link Steam, saying it was already linked. I was also not getting any emails from any of their systems to confirm I was linked or any of that.
So the workaround turned out to be pretty simple, really.
1) Log out, incognito mode, or open another browser and go to the Square Enix Members site.
2) Log in with Steam
3) This is basically creating a new, 'dummy' SE account. I fed it an alternate E-mail address.
4) Link this dummy account to something else (I used Facebook).
5) Unlink Steam from the dummy account. It won't let you do this if you don't link something else in step 4.
6) Now steam will properly link to your main SE account.
Basically forcing Square Enix to recognize that my steam account was not linked to any SE account, and then I could link 'em up. If anybody else has an issue like mine, hopefully that helps.
I really hope they got some fixes in before this weekend for this because the average person isn't gonna think of these steps.
With that being said, I suspect this is a beta thing and the full game won't require linking, except to claim rewards etc. So people will at least be able to get into the game without issue. I think they're forcing this on for beta to avoid situations where someone never linked but finished the beta and then complains that they can't get their beta nameplates.
Little PSA since I found a workaround for my Square Enix Account issue from last weekend (found it about 3 hours before the beta closed, then got mad at myself for not thinking of it earlier).
So anyway, I had a Square Enix account already because I'd played FFXIV and I played it thru Steam. For some reason it didn't show steam as being linked in my SE account page (where it showed FFXIV as linked). It was erroring when I tried to link Steam, saying it was already linked. I was also not getting any emails from any of their systems to confirm I was linked or any of that.
So the workaround turned out to be pretty simple, really.
1) Log out, incognito mode, or open another browser and go to the Square Enix Members site.
2) Log in with Steam
3) This is basically creating a new, 'dummy' SE account. I fed it an alternate E-mail address.
4) Link this dummy account to something else (I used Facebook).
5) Unlink Steam from the dummy account. It won't let you do this if you don't link something else in step 4.
6) Now steam will properly link to your main SE account.
Basically forcing Square Enix to recognize that my steam account was not linked to any SE account, and then I could link 'em up. If anybody else has an issue like mine, hopefully that helps.
thank god you brought this up. completely forgot that i had to reset my password on my SE account ahead of the open beta tomorrow. only took a few secs but still glad to have it done and sorted before hand.
Little PSA since I found a workaround for my Square Enix Account issue from last weekend (found it about 3 hours before the beta closed, then got mad at myself for not thinking of it earlier).
So anyway, I had a Square Enix account already because I'd played FFXIV and I played it thru Steam. For some reason it didn't show steam as being linked in my SE account page (where it showed FFXIV as linked). It was erroring when I tried to link Steam, saying it was already linked. I was also not getting any emails from any of their systems to confirm I was linked or any of that.
So the workaround turned out to be pretty simple, really.
1) Log out, incognito mode, or open another browser and go to the Square Enix Members site.
2) Log in with Steam
3) This is basically creating a new, 'dummy' SE account. I fed it an alternate E-mail address.
4) Link this dummy account to something else (I used Facebook).
5) Unlink Steam from the dummy account. It won't let you do this if you don't link something else in step 4.
6) Now steam will properly link to your main SE account.
Basically forcing Square Enix to recognize that my steam account was not linked to any SE account, and then I could link 'em up. If anybody else has an issue like mine, hopefully that helps.
I really hope they got some fixes in before this weekend for this because the average person isn't gonna think of these steps.
With that being said, I suspect this is a beta thing and the full game won't require linking, except to claim rewards etc. So people will at least be able to get into the game without issue. I think they're forcing this on for beta to avoid situations where someone never linked but finished the beta and then complains that they can't get their beta nameplates.
I think it's also because they needed to confirm that you've pre-ordered to get you into the beta.
But primarily it's because they're Square Enix and they have a primordial urge to make anything with accounts more complicated that it could possibly need to be.
I'm not ignoring it, I gave them shit for it for a long ass time. Why are you ignoring my replies? I gave Bungie and Activision shit for years for console exclusive crap, the cash store and micro transactions being predatory, every bit of it! Believe me, I love being told that I'm a hypocrite when I've been very consistent this whole time.
Yes Destiny fucked up a whole lot. And they still through it all did right by the players, changed things to make it better for them, and even did the historic move of saying so long Activision, and went independent. They broke a contract that would have made them millions, in service of saving the game and it's community.
Yet you played it, kept buying in every time , even though it had problems. And you stuck with it for 6 years. But youre giving this game trouble when it basically has one sony exclusicr character. Which sucks, but destiny had more exclusive content. And they've said future content for this is free. No more paying $60 a year for a mmo lite. That people only played because the vasic game play was good.
And the basic gameplay in this is good if you give it a chance abd look at the skill trees. Its MUA in a 3d world with 3 other players.
You don't know that, I quit destiny multiple times!! Why are you obsessed with telling me my experience with the game? There have been many times in the life of the game where I took month long breaks, didn't buy the expansions because I was upset and annoyed with the state of the game. Jesus. Stop telling me what I support, I've been very consistent this whole time about what bothers me and what doesn't. I've fully admitted Bungie (UNDER ACTIVISION) fucked up a whole lot, and I was mad then and I'm mad now.
Because you keep talking like destiny is the best game of all time, always have been, and its the end all be all while saying this game is shit. Because of some stupid promotional tie in shit.
Little PSA since I found a workaround for my Square Enix Account issue from last weekend (found it about 3 hours before the beta closed, then got mad at myself for not thinking of it earlier).
So anyway, I had a Square Enix account already because I'd played FFXIV and I played it thru Steam. For some reason it didn't show steam as being linked in my SE account page (where it showed FFXIV as linked). It was erroring when I tried to link Steam, saying it was already linked. I was also not getting any emails from any of their systems to confirm I was linked or any of that.
So the workaround turned out to be pretty simple, really.
1) Log out, incognito mode, or open another browser and go to the Square Enix Members site.
2) Log in with Steam
3) This is basically creating a new, 'dummy' SE account. I fed it an alternate E-mail address.
4) Link this dummy account to something else (I used Facebook).
5) Unlink Steam from the dummy account. It won't let you do this if you don't link something else in step 4.
6) Now steam will properly link to your main SE account.
Basically forcing Square Enix to recognize that my steam account was not linked to any SE account, and then I could link 'em up. If anybody else has an issue like mine, hopefully that helps.
I really hope they got some fixes in before this weekend for this because the average person isn't gonna think of these steps.
With that being said, I suspect this is a beta thing and the full game won't require linking, except to claim rewards etc. So people will at least be able to get into the game without issue. I think they're forcing this on for beta to avoid situations where someone never linked but finished the beta and then complains that they can't get their beta nameplates.
I think it's also because they needed to confirm that you've pre-ordered to get you into the beta.
But primarily it's because they're Square Enix and they have a primordial urge to make anything with accounts more complicated that it could possibly need to be.
For the former, that shouldn't be required for this weekend since it's free for everyone. Plus the preorder key would be attached to whatever account you're playing on, not necessarily your SE account.
For the latter, absolutely yes. SE has never been good about account management.
I'm not ignoring it, I gave them shit for it for a long ass time. Why are you ignoring my replies? I gave Bungie and Activision shit for years for console exclusive crap, the cash store and micro transactions being predatory, every bit of it! Believe me, I love being told that I'm a hypocrite when I've been very consistent this whole time.
Yes Destiny fucked up a whole lot. And they still through it all did right by the players, changed things to make it better for them, and even did the historic move of saying so long Activision, and went independent. They broke a contract that would have made them millions, in service of saving the game and it's community.
Yet you played it, kept buying in every time , even though it had problems. And you stuck with it for 6 years. But youre giving this game trouble when it basically has one sony exclusicr character. Which sucks, but destiny had more exclusive content. And they've said future content for this is free. No more paying $60 a year for a mmo lite. That people only played because the vasic game play was good.
And the basic gameplay in this is good if you give it a chance abd look at the skill trees. Its MUA in a 3d world with 3 other players.
You don't know that, I quit destiny multiple times!! Why are you obsessed with telling me my experience with the game? There have been many times in the life of the game where I took month long breaks, didn't buy the expansions because I was upset and annoyed with the state of the game. Jesus. Stop telling me what I support, I've been very consistent this whole time about what bothers me and what doesn't. I've fully admitted Bungie (UNDER ACTIVISION) fucked up a whole lot, and I was mad then and I'm mad now.
Because you keep talking like destiny is the best game of all time, always have been, and its the end all be all while saying this game is shit. Because of some stupid promotional tie in shit.
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Here's an idea for you. If charitable works are such a priority for you, instead of spending money on video games and wasting time on your couch, donate your own time and money to charities that are important. Instead of wasting time posting in this thread about how evil this game is, why don't you donate that to working at a local homeless shelter or soup kitchen? Even a couple hours a week of volunteer time could make a big difference.
Or you can just pontificate about how evil corporations are evil, all while playing your super hero game and bitching to your friend who used the code he got from a pack of gum he was going to buy anyways to unlock a skin in a stupid video game. That's sure to change the world.
If we could actually get large corporations to stop exploiting people in the ever-expanding search for ALL OF THE MONEY, it would do much more tangible good than working at a soup kitchen.
That's not to say you shouldn't volunteer at a soup kitchen, but trying to shame people for rightfully criticizing billion dollar corporations isn't helping anyone.
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Man this is such a goosey post. You can do both. I play lots of games AND I donate lots of money AND I work for a civil rights non-profit. AND I bitch about corporations bleeding money out of people when they make billions of dollars of profit already.
None of these ideas are mutually exclusive.
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That's awesome. And that's exactly my point. I too, play lots of games, and donate lots of time AND money to charitable causes. I also work for a subsidiary owned by one of the wealthiest men in the world, and I advocate for change and doing the right thing within my own sphere of influence inside that corporation. And while we do try to make tidy profit at the end of the year, it's so that we can do what we believe makes world a better place.
But the idea that corporations are evil is such a trope.
A wise man once said, "Be the change you wish to see in the world."
But anyway, I'll leave it at that and jump in again when we're actually talking about video games again. Sorry for my part in driving this thread so far off topic.
Dang it, if you had only instructed him to develop his own game if he's such an expert about game quality, I would have hit Bingo on my laughably bad argument strategies card.
Yeah, I'm not expecting them to add more content. The content they provided is actually a pretty generous helping. I was expecting a lot less.
I'm hopeful for performance updates, but even more than that some quality of life improvements.
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Nah, this is under a "feedback for future patch" section. Basically they're aware it is an issue but definitely wasn't in last week's patch. Maybe this week? Maybe release? We don't know yet.
I 100% love Fall Guys and they're clearly being super stand up about everything. They're using their position for good. This is great!
But you do know that this is apples and oranges right? Fall Guys is going to have a lot more leeway on what they can do, plus they've got an absolute breakout hit right now. Imo, Avengers isn't going to hit the same type of popularity burst. It'll come out, it'll do fine, but you won't have hundreds of thousands of people cheering on a streamer finally getting his first crown. It's a unique situation after they've already literally made millions from the game. Funding for the team, which is going to be much smaller than Avengers, is already secured. These guys made it (and it's clear they deserve it in every way).
But they also don't have to worry about adding characters with additional movesets (and the balancing thereof). They don't have to add additional story. They don't need a huge cast of voice actors. Don't get me wrong, Fall Guys does exactly what it sets out to do and performs and looks exactly how you'd expect. But if you think that the size of the team and costs of maintaining each game are comparable then I'm at a loss for what to tell you.
And yes, when it comes down to it, Disney/Marvel is greedy af and wants all of the money. Doesn't mean the game itself is bad.
The game does not exist in a vacuum. Fall Guys being a small dev should mean it's harder for them to do charitable work, because they aren't backed by several different mega corps! Fall Guys is an example you yourself used up thread in that very quote, but now it's "too different" to use as an example, eh?
Nah, I calls it as I sees it. And this game is the product of corporate greed. They could have had a certified hit on their hands, and also could have used the hype to generate good things rather than fatten their wallets with brand deals. They didn't. That simple.
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It's similar in their monetization setup, future development is funded by in-game cosmetic purchases. Though Fall Guys making millions from initial sales alone means they're less reliant on this for the time being.
It's not similar in type of game or scope or actual costs.
And to be clear, the MCU exists as a product of corporate greed. The mainstream popularity of these characters is wrapped up in the fact that each movie that comes out makes Disney a lot of cash. If it didn't, they'd stop making movies. Heck, if it merely broke even they'd stop making these movies. I'm not shocked that the game based on the same properties is intended to generate revenue, and it's their right to do so. Drawing the line at "well they don't donate all of their promotional cash!!" is rather absurd and locks you out of, well, most games. Most games also don't start running large promotional charity drives until they're, you know, released and have the flexibility to do so. Fortunately for Fall Guys they hit that point fast because of how insanely good initial sales were.
The point I'm making is it doesn't have to be this way. It doesn't have to continue just because it is the status quo. We've let it get this bad through supporting them regardless, and I'm personally quite done. You can keep on rocking in the free world and buy whatever you want, just like I'm allowed to call them out on predatory or unnecessary business practices.
I also find it funny the lengths to which this thread is going to make it seem so easy for Fall Guys dev team to generate so much for charity. I'm honestly quite impressed with the team and what they've done, and people in here trying to belittle that effort just seems gross. I'm not inherently saying every game should donate their revenue streams, but the ones I personally like supporting like Bungie have done many many charity events. I like donating to good causes I was going to donate to anyways and getting a free in game trinket. It's low cost on the dev side, and high reward for everyone involved. Win/win.
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From what we've seen so far there are zero product placements in Avengers. And if your argument is the Verizon costumes, they're literally just red color schemes. No logos, no nothing. I could make my Fall Guy red too, does that mean I'm advertising for Verizon? Cap doesn't get on his Verizon labeled phone. Kamala doesn't open a pack of 5 gum for her emote. Most people who play the game aren't even going to know these promotions existed.
Re: Fall Guys I'm definitely not downplaying the amount of work or effort that went into that game. As I said I 100% love the game and will continue to support it. I think it's great that they're doing what they're doing! But also lets not pretend that a smaller indie team suddenly getting several million dollars doesn't open a lot of doors for them? They totally deserve the success, but to ignore the context of how they're able to do something like this doesn't do anyone any favors.
Also, this. Avengers doesn't have loot boxes and it's not trying to sell you small parts of the game individually for $5 a pop. No content is locked behind a paywall. You can't buy gear and you can't even pay to increase the rate at which you advance. There's a hundred monetization schemes in games that are objectively worse than what Avengers is doing. Some of which Jay champions, such as Destiny 2 with their yearly expansion + mandatory season purchases (and yes, to get all the content in the game you have to buy the seasons).
But because a few existing Verizon costumers get an extra red costume in the game (a timed exclusive btw) Avengers is the worst game to exist. The disconnect is jarring to me.
Edit: I'll acknowledge that we obviously have no foresight for what a year or two from now looks like in this game. I'm basing this entirely on what they've said so far which is that characters and story will be free. I don't think it's reasonable to go in with the pessimistic view that they're outright lying here, but it's not impossible that plans changes down the road.
In the end, different strokes for different folks. Everything this game has done all the way down has been mistakes in my eyes. They can handle a little criticism on this shit, just like Bungie has been criticized for literally years and also has done a lot of work to address many of those criticisms. Bungie doesn't have big studio backing them like Crystal Dynamics does, they aren't working with a property owned by maybe the biggest company on the planet. I haven't heard a single good justification for the brand deals other than "dev costs" which is laughable in the face of Disney's monolithic stack of money, properties and products.
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It only became a free game recently, we're talking about the 6 years od destiny and destiny 2. They just changed a bunch of policies dont act like its been the norm for the game though.
It's actually laughable to compare Destiny now to what Avengers looks to be. I hope I'm wrong, and they right the ship. But it is not a good look at all, and they haven't changed my opinion yet.
Like seriously go comb through the old destiny threads and you'll see me having these same conversations but holding Bungie accountable... And well would you look at that they stopped doing most of the terrible shit I hated back then!
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Disney isnt making this game
wait did you think Disney pays for ANYTHING related to this games development?
Its one character and some skins vs weapons and a whole strike. And there were a limited number of strikes. This game has said future expansion would be free. So no season passes missing content that only sony has. Spiderman pisses me off but so far thats about it.
The seasons are absolutely mandatory if you want access to everything. You're literally locked out of the seasonal exotic weapon quests if you don't have it. That's a whole cool weapon you just can't have because you didn't pay up. Not to mention xp boosts and the other benefits you get from the paid seasonal track.
The free version is the hook to get you into playing the game, but as a free player you miss out on all of the currently ongoing story, along with any raids, dungeons, weapons, or subclasses that came with Forsaken or Shadowkeep. If you want to limit your experience entirely to "Year 1" yeah, you can play for free. If you want to play anything that has been added to the game recently you're coughing up cash. And then you'll continue to do so every time a new expansion drops.
You played and didn't like the game, we know you don't like the business Square is doing.
So why do you continue to post in here? Like honestly you just make this thread miserable.
Please go make a videogame industry business thread to wage your personal war in or pen an op-ed in like Gamasutra or something. Like this is obviously going to be a repeating pattern anytime you find something you can relate back to your dislike of the game.
So they did get the shake sensitivity and motion blur stuff in, nice! And the changes to the default settings is a smart move imo
Disney is very much making the game 🤣 Square can't make an Avengers game just because they felt like it. It's a partnership.
Again I've said the big Fall expansion is worth the money and then some. You can absolutely skip the season pass though, it's not that much content. If you wanna raid and get extra subclasses, it's worth picking up the expansions. Meanwhile it's game that literally pioneered the live service model, has restructured it several times, and is still actively working to make it a better game for those playing.
It's comparing apples to oranges, but the oranges have a 5gum co-branding deal and is the face of a billion dollar orange movie franchise.
Industry threads are banned from the forums. This is the place to discuss the game, yes? I'm here to discuss it! If you don't like my posts, the ignore button is still there. I'm allowed to talk about the game, even if I dislike it. I'm allowed to criticize the game, want better from it, and hold it to a higher standard than what they've shown us.
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Yes Destiny fucked up a whole lot. And they still through it all did right by the players, changed things to make it better for them, and even did the historic move of saying so long Activision, and went independent. They broke a contract that would have made them millions, in service of saving the game and it's community.
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Pre-load for the open beta should be live for everyone now, particularly useful for anyone who wasn't in the last couple betas.
Yet you played it, kept buying in every time , even though it had problems. And you stuck with it for 6 years. But youre giving this game trouble when it basically has one sony exclusicr character. Which sucks, but destiny had more exclusive content. And they've said future content for this is free. No more paying $60 a year for a mmo lite. That people only played because the vasic game play was good.
And the basic gameplay in this is good if you give it a chance abd look at the skill trees. Its MUA in a 3d world with 3 other players.
So anyway, I had a Square Enix account already because I'd played FFXIV and I played it thru Steam. For some reason it didn't show steam as being linked in my SE account page (where it showed FFXIV as linked). It was erroring when I tried to link Steam, saying it was already linked. I was also not getting any emails from any of their systems to confirm I was linked or any of that.
So the workaround turned out to be pretty simple, really.
1) Log out, incognito mode, or open another browser and go to the Square Enix Members site.
2) Log in with Steam
3) This is basically creating a new, 'dummy' SE account. I fed it an alternate E-mail address.
4) Link this dummy account to something else (I used Facebook).
5) Unlink Steam from the dummy account. It won't let you do this if you don't link something else in step 4.
6) Now steam will properly link to your main SE account.
Basically forcing Square Enix to recognize that my steam account was not linked to any SE account, and then I could link 'em up. If anybody else has an issue like mine, hopefully that helps.
You don't know that, I quit destiny multiple times!! Why are you obsessed with telling me my experience with the game? There have been many times in the life of the game where I took month long breaks, didn't buy the expansions because I was upset and annoyed with the state of the game. Jesus. Stop telling me what I support, I've been very consistent this whole time about what bothers me and what doesn't. I've fully admitted Bungie (UNDER ACTIVISION) fucked up a whole lot, and I was mad then and I'm mad now.
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I really hope they got some fixes in before this weekend for this because the average person isn't gonna think of these steps.
With that being said, I suspect this is a beta thing and the full game won't require linking, except to claim rewards etc. So people will at least be able to get into the game without issue. I think they're forcing this on for beta to avoid situations where someone never linked but finished the beta and then complains that they can't get their beta nameplates.
thank god you brought this up. completely forgot that i had to reset my password on my SE account ahead of the open beta tomorrow. only took a few secs but still glad to have it done and sorted before hand.
I think it's also because they needed to confirm that you've pre-ordered to get you into the beta.
But primarily it's because they're Square Enix and they have a primordial urge to make anything with accounts more complicated that it could possibly need to be.
Because you keep talking like destiny is the best game of all time, always have been, and its the end all be all while saying this game is shit. Because of some stupid promotional tie in shit.
For the former, that shouldn't be required for this weekend since it's free for everyone. Plus the preorder key would be attached to whatever account you're playing on, not necessarily your SE account.
For the latter, absolutely yes. SE has never been good about account management.
Point to where I did that, please
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